Ok so we went from keep moving forward to 5 acts to panel size to voice actor notoriety now, huh
the never-ending hell ride of the nakama thread in 2021
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Odd… Why would a VA, who has a impressive resume, go against Yamato's chances?
Money. A VA that's regularly on the show for years until its end will be paid more often than one that is scheduled for just an arc and later spare cameos.
They usually select lower cost VAs for regular characters.
Thus, Yamato getting a high profile VA may indicate that the character is not meant to keep appearing regularly after Wano.
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Ok so we went from keep moving forward to 5 acts to panel size to voice actor notoriety now, huh
the never-ending hell ride of the nakama thread in 2021
People are just trying to add evidence to their theories, everything can count towards that. None of those things make or break a theory, thought, they are just small signs that add or subtract small chunks of "chance" off a theory.
If people can't handle theorycrafting, they should stay away from a thread that tries to predict the future.
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I'm not going to take anything outside the narrative as a sign one way or another for any character.
I don't even know enough about VA's to contribute to the conversation in that regard. I do know with network TV, you can kinda tell when a character is unlikely to become a series regular based on the fame (cost) of the actor cast in the role. Like, you knew Will Ferrell wasn't going to stay on The Office as Steve Carell's replacement. The network could never afford to pay him for 22+ episodes per year. Of course, things have changed with streaming networks. But the best example I can think of is the original plan to cast Michael Keaton as Jack Shepherd in the pilot of Lost only to kill him off at the end of the episode. Obviously it didn't happen and I'm glad, but casting such a high profile actor would have been a very clear sign Jack wouldn't be sticking around for the entire series as they could never afford to pay such a high salary for the entire run of a show. General wisdom with network TV, the higher the profile of the actor cast in a role, the shorter their time on the show will be. An actor like Paul Rudd will play Bobby Newport for half a season / 5 - 6 episodes of Parks & Recreation, but he would never become a semi-regular character like Perd Hapley or Jean Ralphio.
I don't know if things are similar with VA's, but I guess there could be some wisdom in considering the potential cost for a character destined to become a series regular. If they're too famous / high profile, their salary could become a concern over time. There's also the fact that very high profile actors have the luxury of choice and often don't want to be locked down to a single project. I think that's far less of a concern for voice acting than it is live action however.
I'm not saying I necessarily agree this casting is a sign against Yamato joining as I honestly have no knowledge of this VA, but I can understand the rationale for someone making that argument.
Again though, I'm really only looking at the narrative itself when it comes to signs of any character joining as the rest of the stuff is subjective and open to interpretation.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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i'm sure we are all experts in how much VA contracts cost and whether or not Toei can afford this in one of their longest running and profitable series
People are just trying to add evidence to their theories, everything can count towards that. None of those things make or break a theory, thought, they are just small signs that add or subtract small chunks of "chance" off a theory.
If people can't handle theorycrafting, they should stay away from a thread that tries to predict the future.
i think there's a big difference between grounded arguments based on facts/patterns followed by the author versus far-fetched theories based on little
but hey, the fact i still post here say a lot about me. or maybe that i need to find something else better to do
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Yet… They had a big reveal for the VA of Yamato in a grandiose way.
Seems more nitpicky to me.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Again though, I'm really only looking at the narrative itself when it comes to signs of any character joining as the rest of the stuff is subjective and open to interpretation.
Narrative trumps all, of course, but it evolves slowly. Meta-narrative hints can be used in the meanwhile to formulate hypothesis. Not all meta-narrative clues are purposely given by the author, but they may reveal intent.
For instance, I’m looking forward for the full 3-part poster because even if Oda is not actively placing hints there, he may be revealing some patterns by placing certain characters together, since he’s subconsciously judging which character fits where. I’m eager to see where Carrot will be.
Meta-narrative hints are not worth much, if we placed a small story point as a 1% change, a meta-hint is like 0.1%, but if there’s a lot of them, maybe there’s something worthy of consideration.
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Out of topic for a sec, it was revealed that Yamato will be voiced by Saori Hayami. She's one of the most promiment female seiyuu out there with amazing range, she usually voices tomboyish character like Mordred of Fate and Kanbaru of Monogatari among others.
Too big of a seiyuu. Methinks Yamato's chance is kinda… decreasing lol.
It's easy. OP is a long running anime; thus, using high profile voice actors are hella expensive for something that is on air for many years.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I don't even know enough about VA's to contribute to the conversation in that regard. I do know with network TV, you can kinda tell when a character is unlikely to become a series regular based on the fame (cost) of the actor cast in the role.
There's a MAJOR misconception on your part.
Anime voice actors get paid the same rate no matter what series they're on.
There is no big or small or higher rate, there is no seniority, there is no "more popular". Its the same across the board, and that includes films. I remember it being a big deal when Your Name broke all box office records and it was revealed the VAs were still paid the same as they would have been for any other project.
They're not shilling out extra to get anyone. Saori Hayami costs exactly as much as any other voice actor.
So it's entirely about the schedule.
(American animation is much the same, but will make exceptions for films and stuff like The Simpsons, but those are exceptions, not the rule, because Simpsons happens to be a multi-billion dollar franchise. Dan Castanella doesn't command his Homer Simpson money when he's voicing direct-to-video Genie) And none of what applies to live action applies to animation.
Actors like getting steady work. Especially with voice acting where it's not THAT big a time commitment, no one is going to have an issue with having steady work for years to come. That's one less gig they have to hunt for. Going from having to do 12 different roles a year just to have steady work, to just having to do 3 or 4 roles a year is an upgrade, not a downgrade. (And that applies to any freelancer gig. Long term steady work is almost always preferred to short term gig hopping and needing your agent to constantly find new work..)
When Yao went from being an occasional extra like Django or Bon Kurei, to full time regular as Franky, do you think he suddenly started getting paid more per episode? Of course not! But he DID start getting paid for being in every episode, and that consistency was a pay upgrade.
If anything, being a high profile series like OP long term is a good thing for your career, because that means soundtracks and stage shows and such for years to come, along with your name and voice being displayed every week. . And… steady work for a decade.
For instance, Megumi Hayashibara has been on Pokemon and Detective Conan for decades now. And she was one of, if not THE hottest VA around at the time she started doing those. No issues there. They were still able to fit her into the new Evangelion movie and Shaman King, her steady work doesn't eat her time up that badly.
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Ok this definitely not my topic of expertise, so in my mind it kinda sounds just like "Toei would go bankrupt if Yamato stays"
Which sounds kinda silly, BUT if this is the actual case, shouldn't we also consider that One Piece is going straight into its final Saga, and this Seiyuu wouldn't be signing up for thaaat long of a period?
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you tell meDepends on which color spread and when.
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yeah, you're not an expert at all
so that is silly
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I'm not going to take anything outside the narrative as a sign one way or another for any character.
I don't even know enough about VA's to contribute to the conversation in that regard. I do know with network TV, you can kinda tell when a character is unlikely to become a series regular based on the fame (cost) of the actor cast in the role. Like, you knew Will Ferrell wasn't going to stay on The Office as Steve Carell's replacement. The network could never afford to pay him for 22+ episodes per year. Of course, things have changed with streaming networks. But the best example I can think of is the original plan to cast Michael Keaton as Jack Shepherd in the pilot of Lost only to kill him off at the end of the episode. Obviously it didn't happen and I'm glad, but casting such a high profile actor would have been a very clear sign Jack wouldn't be sticking around for the entire series as they could never afford to pay such a high salary for the entire run of a show. General wisdom with network TV, the higher the profile of the actor cast in a role, the shorter their time on the show will be. An actor like Paul Rudd will play Bobby Newport for half a season / 5 - 6 episodes of Parks & Recreation, but he would never become a semi-regular character like Perd Hapley or Jean Ralphio.
I don't know if things are similar with VA's, but I guess there could be some wisdom in considering the potential cost for a character destined to become a series regular. If they're too famous / high profile, their salary could become a concern over time. There's also the fact that very high profile actors have the luxury of choice and often don't want to be locked down to a single project. I think that's far less of a concern for voice acting than it is live action however.
I'm not saying I necessarily agree this casting is a sign against Yamato joining as I honestly have no knowledge of this VA, but I can understand the rationale for someone making that argument.
Again though, I'm really only looking at the narrative itself when it comes to signs of any character joining as the rest of the stuff is subjective and open to interpretation.
It's a silly argument since we're applying western show logic to anime.
Never mind that OP has some high-profice VA in the Straw Hats.
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Money. A VA that's regularly on the show for years until its end will be paid more often than one that is scheduled for just an arc and later spare cameos.
They usually select lower cost VAs for regular characters.
Thus, Yamato getting a high profile VA may indicate that the character is not meant to keep appearing regularly after Wano.
I'll caveat this by saying I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the Voice Acting scene, particularly in Japan, but the issue of money works in both directions. Even if they're paying more for the VA, Yamato as a character and One Piece as a series can nonetheless stand to profit from Hayami Saori's name recognition, particularly given how abruptly the character appears.
By the very arguments in this thread, Yams shows up basically out of nowhere late in the arc and is arguably "not necessary" for the story being told, yet is nonetheless immediately given a very prominent role and so much "Next Strawhat" foreshadowing that people here have claimed its actually too much to be real and is instead the mark of a Red Herring. While I disagree with that particular take, in this case, I think a higher profile VA makes perfect sense for Yamato - no casting decision could capture that instant "This Character's Important!" feel more than giving the role of Yamato to a big-name seiyuu.
In addition, while I'm not personally the type to pay too much attention to who is playing whom, I know there are plenty of people who will give a chance to a show they otherwise would have passed over once they learn their favorite actor has a role in it, and I also know that One Piece can be hard to get into for people who aren't already following it. Yamato having a high profile VA can play into both aspects, giving Hayami Saori fans who aren't currently OP viewers a reason to watch some of the upcoming episodes, if only to see a bit of her new role, and thus possibly easing some new viewers into the series.
End of the day, it was a business decision, and as much as we may like sitting on the outside playing Armchair Casting Director, I think it's safer to assume that Toei believes this casting choice will work out regardless of whether Yamato sticks around or not.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
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Seiyuu are all paid the exact same. There is no pay gap based on popularity or seniority.
If that's the case, then the point is no longer valid.
I've been seeing this kind of argument for a long time, I even remember it coming in this very thread some months ago when people were discussing possible VAs, it's so ingrained in people's conceptions that I thought it had some value.
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That Colorspread came out ages before Franky actually joined.
Notably though that since that tiem, Brook stayed off all colorspreads until he joined, and Jinbe held off being in spreads for years.
For whatever reason Oda felt it was cool to throw Franky into the group at that time, he hasn't really followed suit in the almost 15 years since with the others that came after.
I know the anime has been hyper keen about not blowing that since they mucked up giving away Robin months in advance so long ago.
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Seiyuu are all paid the exact same. There is no pay gap based on popularity or seniority.
Yeah, I started typing that post quite a while earlier this morning, before you posted that - I'm a slow writer at the best of times, and I tend to mull over my phrasing for a while before finalizing it.
The underlying point I was trying to make remains the same, though. There are plenty of reasons why Hayami Saori's name recognition could be a benefit from Toei's perspective, so even if the "she's more famous so she costs more" argument WERE true, it wouldn't necessarily have a negative impact on Yamato's long term prospects.
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It's a silly argument since we're applying western show logic to anime.
Never mind that OP has some high-profice VA in the Straw Hats.
I didn't even make the argument, I was just explaining the rationale for the argument. And I thought the person who first brought up the point has been fairly supportive of Yamato joining.
Of course if VA's all make the same, it doesn't matter much and the point is moot.
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Seiyuu are all paid the exact same. There is no pay gap based on popularity or seniority.
What is the source for this? According to this article, that is not true:
each voice actor is paid based on their "rank" in the industry
Now the source for that is the gossip section of some daily.co.jp site, so I have no idea how accurate that is. But there are other references to this "rank" system for Seiyuu around the internet.
(Personally, I don't think this voice actor stuff matters at all one way or the other.)
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What is the source for this? According to this article, that is not true:
Now the source for that is the gossip section of some daily.co.jp site, so I have no idea how accurate that is. But there are other references to this "rank" system for Seiyuu around the internet.
(Personally, I don't think this voice actor stuff matters at all one way or the other.)
The article literally says the pay is fixed. Exposure leads to rank increase, but so does industry time. That means royalties are not going to be a problem, which is the question raised here in this thread.
And if seniority was an issue, then many of the VA that have been there since the beginning would be money sinks. Mayumi Tanaka has been in the industry since the 70's.
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that is not true:
I was paraphrasing to put it in a single easy to digest sentence to get the message across, since I'd already written a multi-paragraph version.
Did you actually read the entire article you posted? "No matter how popular the work is, "the salary stays the same". Even for behemoth works like Demon Slayer, which is now the highest-grossing film in the Japanese box office ever, the payment is fixed and royalties aren't paid out from the box office."
They don't make anything more based on popularity or success or how long they've been in a role.
Yes, someone that is brand new and has never done anything before, a complete newbie, and is in their first year of voice acting and has three lines as Soldier A and might need twelve takes to get one line is going to be paid a bit less.
But anyone that's been around for 10 years and done a dozen shows is going to get the same rate as anyone else that's been around for 10 years and done a dozen shows. It has a cap.
The highest in the industry is the highest, (and its not that high) no one actor is so in demand that they can demand a higher salary than the next highest paid VA, or else you'd immediately run into problems with VAs that have been doing icons for decades and you'd run into the Simpsons problem where the VAs are the majority of the budget. Dragonball isn't budgeting extra just to keep Goku and Krillin around.
Unless they brought in a complete newcomer to play Yamato, anyone they brought in with experience for a major would be paid the same. They're not about to start paying a guest star MORE than Luffy.
Heck, if voice actor is doing 20 roles a year, that's a sign they AREN'T getting some kind of crazy super rate. No one voice actor is single handedly going to affect a show's ratings so much that they warrant breaking the budget for it.
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Yeah, like I said, I know nothing about VA's, but I can understand people's expectations can be set by knowledge of another related industry. But it seems the rules are very different from live TV.
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Did you actually read the entire article you posted? "No matter how popular the work is, "the salary stays the same". Even for behemoth works like Demon Slayer, which is now the highest-grossing film in the Japanese box office ever, the payment is fixed and royalties aren't paid out from the box office."
Yes I did read it. I thought the original point was that you would have to pay high-profile voice actors more money going forward for their appearances - which would apply if they have some sort of high rank. If the original point was about royalties and such stuff, then I have misunderstood it. And I also misunderstood you meant popularity of the work and seniority in the role rather than the actor.
Thank you for laying out that there is a rather low payment cap if you have been around for a couple years. Kinda sad, but good to know.
EDIT: And I'm sorry, I completely missed your longer post on the previous page about this topic.
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Out of curiosity, when was the last time a seiyuu reveal had this amount of multi-media push like Saori Hayami as Yamato is getting?
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Out of curiosity, when was the last time a seiyuu reveal had this amount of multi-media push like Saori Hayami as Yamato is getting?
There are not that many characters that reach 11th place in a popularity poll months before they debut in the anime, especially in a year like 2022 in which everything about One Piece is being celebrated due to Chapter 1000 and Volume 100. So, how much is it because of Yamato's future importance, and how much comes from pure hype to keep the news flowing? They will make a fortune just out of Yamato figures.
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I doubt it is purely Chapter 1000, Volume 100, and Episode 1000 hype because that's just a whole series celebration. It hasn't been focused on only one character.
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I doubt it is purely Chapter 1000, Volume 100, and Episode 1000 hype because that's just a whole series celebration. It hasn't been focused on only one character.
Anything and everything that they can put in the hype train, they will.
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Saori Hayami voicing Yamato, should he become a crewmate, is going to be a recognizable iconic character on her resume for a decade+. Lots of merchandise and cds and overall recognition, a character that is known and regularly promoted and brings the actor to mind.
Meanwhile, when was the last time you saw any hype over Sawa Okita from Tari Tari? When was the last time you thought of Tari Tari at all? Have you even heard of it?
What about Chōyaku Hyakunin isshu: Uta Koi? Sengoku Collection? Day Break Illusion? My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU? Red Data Girl? The Rolling Girls? Farewell, My Dear Cramer is from this year but you probably haven't heard of it.
Yes, she's had a lot of work and does a ton of series, especially of secondary characters that are in a handful of episodes, but its not all high profile or consistent work. That's WHY she's in so many shows, very few of them are main characters or full time work long runners.
Demon Slayer and Jujustu Kaisen are the highest profile shows she's on right now, but she's not a main regular in either of them.
I doubt it is purely Chapter 1000, Volume 100, and Episode 1000 hype because that's just a whole series celebration. It hasn't been focused on only one character.
Yamato ranked #11 in the popularity polls WITHOUT the anime's help. They know they have a big character here.
That's why they also have statues and other merch ready to unveil as soon as he appears properly.
And if he IS the next crewmate, then editorial and some offshoots already know that too and will prep accordingly.
Like the new sixty character color spread already has figures for some of the characters ready to go, and we're not even going to see them on the spread for another week or two!
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Sawashiro (Pudding) voiced Mordred and Kanbaru.
The only Monogatari role Hayamin has is Ononoki.Gah, I misremembered lol. Still, I stick with my theories for now.
It's like Hiyori's Nana Mizuki, too big of a seiyuu. Law also has high profile seiyuu and he sticks around as a prominent ally. Maybe Yamato will become this too.
Although what Robby said is also interesting as the anime team generated hype for a character even before she appears on the show. It's a big deal (TM).
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Oh, and no seiyuu is paid the same. There are CV, portofolio, recognition, and all in factor. They're actors, after all. That's why ppl can guess how much an anime worth by seeing its seiyuu list alone."No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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Do people who think this VA is too high profile just forget that Chopper is voiced by Pikachu.
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Oh, and no seiyuu is paid the same. There are CV, portofolio, recognition, and all in factor. They're actors, after all. That's why ppl can guess how much an anime worth by seeing its seiyuu list alone.
Since you seem to have missed what I already clarified.
I was paraphrasing to put it in a single easy to digest sentence to get the message across, since I'd already written a multi-paragraph version.
Did you actually read the entire article you posted? "No matter how popular the work is, "the salary stays the same". Even for behemoth works like Demon Slayer, which is now the highest-grossing film in the Japanese box office ever, the payment is fixed and royalties aren't paid out from the box office."
They don't make anything more based on popularity or success or how long they've been in a role.
Yes, someone that is brand new and has never done anything before, a complete newbie, and is in their first year of voice acting and has three lines as Soldier A and might need twelve takes to get one line is going to be paid a bit less.
But anyone that's been around for 10 years and done a dozen shows is going to get the same rate as anyone else that's been around for 10 years and done a dozen shows. It has a cap.
The highest in the industry is the highest, (and its not that high) no one actor is so in demand that they can demand a higher salary than the next highest paid VA, or else you'd immediately run into problems with VAs that have been doing icons for decades and you'd run into the Simpsons problem where the VAs are the majority of the budget. Dragonball isn't budgeting extra just to keep Goku and Krillin around.
Unless they brought in a complete newcomer to play Yamato, anyone they brought in with experience for a major part would be paid roughly the same. They're not about to start paying a guest star MORE than Luffy.
Anime voice acting has a cap.
One veteran VA isn't going to cost a vastly different amount than another veteran VA. There is no one in the industry that is so well known or so important that they get a significant bonus over all other VA's. It's NOT like live action acting, or the american industry where you sell a thing based entirely on a celebrity being in it.
For anyone they put onto the show long term as a main character they'll want someone with experience and a track record, they were always going to get a vet..
By default anyone working on One Piece has at least two decades of experience at this point, and some of the VAs go decades further back than that. They're all vets, they're all getting the vet rate if they're a regular.
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Is it just me or Yamato gained a lil more votes since that anime clip got released?
Anyways, it sounds decently good enough for a possible main character, its only harder not to sign up on her when she looks that great animated.
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Looks too much like Nami. How will we ever tell them apart?
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Looks too much like Nami. How will we ever tell them apart?
You're kidding right? Are you trying to say Nami is horny like Yamato is?
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You're kidding right? Are you trying to say Nami is horny like Yamato is?
I figured the sarcasm was impossible to miss. What with the white hair and the horns and the different voice and all.
I guess not.
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I like the voice, sounds kinda tomboyish. Passionate delivery of that line.
Is it just me or Yamato gained a lil more votes since that anime clip got released?
Anyways, it sounds decently good enough for a possible main character, its only harder not to sign up on her when she looks that great animated.
It'd prolly be way higher in general if we could change votes tbh.
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Wow, so Sasori Hayami is Yamato's seiyu, that's awesome!
Knowing that she also voices Kamisato Ayaka from Genshin Impact in the Japanese dub, it stings that I didn't attempt to roll on her banner when it was in circulation last month. I had been saving up all my free primogems for the release of Raiden Shogun Baal who is voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro (will release tomorrow). I may have to target Ayaka in a rerun.
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@Robby:Looks too much like Nami. How will we ever tell them apart?
Thank you for the share and that sarcasm was on point.
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And here I thought this thread had already reached the highest possible level of BS with the Carrot "discussion". Leave it to the VA wars to prove me wrong.
! If anything, Carrot's hype is once more demolished by Yamato's :ninja:
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I’m kinda impressed how much people know about voice actors and actresses, like their names and whom they dub… crazy
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Us, anime droppers barely remember Chopper is also Pikachu.
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Robby, how many anime do you watch? Because us anime watchers kinda know what happened behind the screen, at least on seiyuu's salaries.
There are "ranks" amongst seiyuu, starting on F to A. Reaching the top rank is not decided by how long you're in the industry. Its a mix of popularity, workload, experience, and variety of works.
Top ranked seiyuus get to negotiate their salary, just like film actors. That is common knowledge.
But let's move on, we're going out of topic lol.
Oh, and for the note, I am a Yamato supporter. She sold the fk out of me with chapter 1,000. I just like to discuss anything about her even if its going meta. Hey, its not like other candidates dont have meta things to discuss, its only fair!
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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I figured the sarcasm was impossible to miss. What with the white hair and the horns and the different voice and all.
I guess not.
Hehe. Aren’t we all jokesters.
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Robby, how many anime do you watch? Because us anime watchers
How much anime do I watch?
[hide]I've been watching anime since Maya the Bee, David the Gnome, Mysterious Cities of Gold, and Grimm's Fairy Tales were airing on Nickelodeon. I grew up on Voltron and Robotech (which yes, I know it is actually Macross. I've watched it in that form too.) I've been watching it in japanese since the mid 90's, when there were only two tapes of Slayers out, bootleg fansub tapes were the only way to get it most things, and Goku hadn't even gotten to Namek yet in America, let alone gone Super Saiyan, but I'd already seen all the DBZ movies. I saw Sailor Moon Stars before the US had even finished Sailor Moon R. I've seen every single episode of Lupin the Third, all five series and nearly every movie. i've been watching anime since it was possible to see literally every single title a rental store had and the entire anime community had common ground because we'd all seen the same 10 titles and 15 movies, so the only options were basically Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D and Ping Pong Club. I watched Sci-Fi Channels "Saturday Morning anime" religiously, even when it was boring garbage like LILY Cat. I own copies of Outlanders and Green Legend Ran and Tank Police on DVD and VHS.
I was a regular at an anime club that had eclectic tastes so I ended up seeing even stuff like Brother Dear Brother, Kodoma No Omocho, and Yatterman. I saw Berserk before it was licensed and a third generation fansub calling him "Gatsu" was the only way to see it, then went out and bought all the current manga at next con I went to, and it went all the way to volume 19 at the time.
I have also worked at comic book companies my entire life including years at Antarctic Press, an american manga publisher where I wrote the manga parody series Ninja High School for a decade and got access to review copies of all sorts of random things. One of the guys that worked there had a penpal in Japan that sent VHS tape of stuff taped off of TV so I saw Monster Farm and ZOids and Digimon in uncut raw japanese before they were ever brought over, and to this day much prefer the Japanese opening to Zoids and Monster Farm, and I know to call the wolf Raiga rather than Tiger. I saw the Arlong fight in One Piece before American SHonen Jump even started publishing One Piece. I've seen BOTH dubs of Nadia, and I saw Howl's Moving Castle over a year before it had a domestic release.
And that's just the stuff I can think of from the late 90's/early 2000's, doesn't really cover much from the last 15 years.
Unless you are in your 40's and were keyed into the anime scene in the mid 90's I have very likely seen more anime than you have.
And for voice acting, I've studied that and animation industries since the 80's when I started noticing recurring VA's in a bunch of show, particularly a big fan of Frank Welker, Jeff Bennet, and Kath Soucie. It was one of my actual big hobbies. And that carried over to when I started watching anime in Japanese in the late 90's though admittedly nowhere near as extensively as how much I followed english VA's. But I did look into how all their stuff worked and how it differed from the US..
But yes, I watch and have watched a lot of anime. I don't watch as much of the newer stuff because not much of it really grabs me, and there's a backlog of older stuff I'm still getting to,, but I know how it works and I have seen quite lot.
[/hide]I have been around the block a few times when it comes to watching anime.
So knock it off with your condescending "us anime watchers" nonsense.
I was providing a SIMPLIFIED version of payment stuff for this particular discussion in order to make it short, pithy, and easy to understand. One single line to summarize after I'd already written paragraphs.
There is greater nuance than my one line retort provides, but for the specific discussion of One Piece and its cast of veteran actors, it's close enough.
The main cast for One Piece are going to be paid close enough to the same rate, (which for all of them is "decently") that there is no real point in differentiating them, and anyone new for the main cast was always going to be on the higher end to match them. Luffy probably gets paid the most as the face of the franchise, but the rest of them aren't going to be paid like F-listers to compensate.
One Piece is successful enough it can afford it, and the long term consistency of a main role can be a large factor in negotiating rates. A character you know you get to play consistently for the next decade, and occasionally for the rest of your life (video games, movies, etc.) is a pretty good bargaining chip.
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Us, anime droppers barely remember Chopper is also Pikachu.
I only found out last year that Pikachu was a chick.
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Because us anime watchers kinda know
I don't think you could possibly sound more pretentious if you actively tried.
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Wild that people now fanfic about seiyuu salaries for their joining arguments. I maintain all that shit doesn't matter an iota compared to what the story actually presents. Maybe someone does a mega post and proves me wrong on this but my feel is people that have mainly argued based on metahints have generally been wrong.
On the opposite site I also don't think the seiyuu choice or how they're marketing this character does anything to improve their chances.
I do think that the popularity poll though does influence marketing in some way. Maybe that's wrong but I feel that's a useful datapoint for possible merch.
