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    • StrawHatJedi
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      @King:

      Carrot will just stay with Inuarashi and Nekomamushi. Y'know, her bosses, who will stay by Momo's side.

      Again, double standards. Yamato is the one who has to watch out for retainer job when Carrot is already a retainer herself, and her people has issues to solve themselves regarding Zunesha's eventual death and what they will eventually when that time happens. But no, she can just join the Straw Hats as if duty was not something she has to perform.

      Again, how does this make any sense? After all, it's not like Carrot has abandoned the musketeers, especially since she still hangs out, works and fights alongside them.

      You people shift the goalposts constantly to suit your needs.

      Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

      "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

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        I feel a lot of great points have been raised about Carrot lately, and I still agree that Yamato isn't a foregone conclusion. Unfortunately, the fact remains that Carrot is still absent, and there's not much left to say to anyone who's convinced her return won't be worthwhile. I'd like to propose that those of us who are still in Carrot's camp agree to let the matter rest for now, until she gets back into the story. I ask that you take that time to recharge and get ready, because I still feel a storm is coming, her moment will come, and I want to face it head-on with you all.

        BobLoblaw, Vongola, Cockycent, what say you?

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          @Zik:

          Very much this.

          Only difference is some arguments are becoming even more fringe and nonsensical.

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          Wow! This is new. Playing semantics and technicalities now.

          Wow! Ignoring context again! What a shocker! I thought this was interesting to note whether Yamato joins or doesn't join. If she does end up joining, the earlier snub could be deliberate because she didn't actually ask Luffy to join his crew. But hey, we don't do nuance in this thread! We just care about teams! You're with us, or you're our enemy! Join the hive mind!

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          I feel a lot of great points have been raised about Carrot lately, and I still agree that Yamato isn't a foregone conclusion. Unfortunately, the fact remains that Carrot is still absent, and there's not much left to say to anyone who's convinced her return won't be worthwhile. I'd like to propose that those of us who are still in Carrot's camp agree to let the matter rest for now, until she gets back into the story. I ask that you take that time to recharge and get ready, because I still feel a storm is coming, her moment will come, and I want to face it head-on with you all.

          BobLoblaw, Vongola, Cockycent, what say you?

          Sure, I'll vacate the thread for the time being.

          Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

          "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

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            Can't recall him doing this about anybody wanting to join the crew/sail with Luffy.

            Seems to be a very useless stance and argument a notch below panel size importance.

            Why does it have to related to "anybody wanting to join the crew/sail with Luffy"?
            He using it in foreshadowing in general is enough for one to consider it when he's giving hints about the character arc of a potential crewmate. It's not like there's a rule that forbids him to use it in this situation.

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            @Vongola_Boss_XI:

            Sure, I'll vacate the thread for the time being.

            But I like you guys. :sad:

            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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              Wow! Ignoring context again!

              This is ironic coming from you.

              What a shocker! I thought this was interesting to note whether Yamato joins or doesn't join. If she does end up joining, the earlier snub could be deliberate because she didn't actually ask Luffy to join his crew. But hey, we don't do nuance in this thread!

              I dont find it interesting. Didn't seem like you did either.

              We just care about teams! You're with us, or you're our enemy! Join the hive mind!

              I'm more of the right or wrong, make sense or doesn't make sense camp.

              Enemy of anti-logic.

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              Why does it have to related to "anybody wanting to join the crew/sail with Luffy"?

              Cuz thats the topic in relation to that being brought up?

              He using it in foreshadowing in general is enough for one to consider it when he's giving hints about the character arc of a potential crewmate.

              Why?

              It's not like there's a rule that forbids him to use it in this situation.

              I would just like some reasoning or evidence for why you think Oda is doing or that it has been done.

              Cuz it really just seems like an argument about semantics that doesn't hold any value but hey the person that brought it up just brought it up cuz it was interesting within context and may hold some nuance if it goes one of two ways

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                I would just like some reasoning or evidence for why you think Oda is doing or that it has been done.

                That makes no sense at all. If it's a common technique he uses in other cases of foreshadowing, why would it be disqualified by default in Next Crewmate stuff?

                Even if you say "it has never been used before in nakama cases", it doesn't disqualify it, as there's nothing forbidding Oda from using it this time. It's not like he follows unmutable critteria for every trope and is forbidden to be creative or mess with the perceived rules.

                Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                  I feel a lot of great points have been raised about Carrot lately, and I still agree that Yamato isn't a foregone conclusion. Unfortunately, the fact remains that Carrot is still absent, and there's not much left to say to anyone who's convinced her return won't be worthwhile. I'd like to propose that those of us who are still in Carrot's camp agree to let the matter rest for now, until she gets back into the story. I ask that you take that time to recharge and get ready, because I still feel a storm is coming, her moment will come, and I want to face it head-on with you all.

                  BobLoblaw, Vongola, Cockycent, what say you?

                  Gotcha, on my way out.

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                  • King Cannon
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                    @Vongola_Boss_XI:

                    You people shift the goalposts constantly to suit your needs.

                    What? It's the truth.

                    Carrot is still a Mokomo Dukedom retainer, part of the Musketeer Squad and a royal aide alongside Wanda. Just look at the image I posted above, where Carrot still dutifully serves Inuarashi like the retainer she is. Right now, she was fighting alongside her fellow musketeer Wanda, out of a desire to avenge a member of her tribe. But for some reason, people here treat this as setting up ther Straw Hat-ness. At no point has the narrative hinted that Carrot doesn't like her current job or wants to abandon it. She left Zou ot of fun and curiosity, but once at Wano, she resumed her previous role with no hassle.

                    But for some reason, it's Yamato who has to think about retainer job, even though no character in-universe has ever mentioned the possibility. Only Kaido has come close, telling Yamato to abandon his dream to become Wano's guardian, all because he couldn't fight off his hunger.

                    This just doesn't jive with how Oda writes his characters. Remember Dressrosa? Rebecca was imposed with a princess duty when everything was over, but that was not what she wanted. She wanted to stay with her peasant father, which was the desire she stated all the way at the beginning of the arc. In the end, Oda will respect the wishes of a character and will never make them do something contradictory to their will. If the character has to perform a duty, it's because they want to.

                    I also think it's incredibly unfair that Yamato, who was stuck in a single place for 20 years being tortured repeatedly, is the one at risk of putting her dream aside for retainer duty. Meanwhile, Carrot, who had a relatively normal life by her tribe's standard, is the one who can just walk out with no trouble, as if she never had a retainer duty to begin with. It doesn't really fit with Oda's usual brand of karmic writing, which tends to reward those who get unfair suffering (again, look at Rebecca). That's just how Oda has always done things.

                    There's no shifting here besides the Mod. I'm calling what it is, double standards. The "potential" retainer issue Yamato supposedly has does not apply to Carrot for some reason, even though the latter herself is already a retainer.

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                    I will drop out of the conversation, because, as has been said, there's not much to talk when Carrot has been mostly missing.

                    Feel free to reply to my post though. I will likely read it anyway.

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                      But I like you guys. :sad:

                      Then look forward to when Carrot comes back, because I for one will be ready to go. XD

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                        Why does it have to related to "anybody wanting to join the crew/sail with Luffy"?
                        He using it in foreshadowing in general is enough for one to consider it when he's giving hints about the character arc of a potential crewmate. It's not like there's a rule that forbids him to use it in this situation.

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                        But I like you guys. :sad:

                        I'll be back🆒

                        Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

                        "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

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                          I think everyone with any kind of base understanding of storytelling understands we're going to get some form of payoff for the Carrot defeat. There is just literally no universe in my mind where Oda manages to make that moment alone satisfying enough for me to go yep that crewmate material. Oda intentionally has just massively ignored this character and if the intention was for her to be a crewmate he has just massively sabotaged himself with the amount of character neglect he has done.
                          Also again the clock is ticking on people that frankly can't read. 1016 is just so massively on the nose I literally can't understand how you think it's Oda unnecessarily playing some kind of dumbass 14 d chess red herring bullshit vs Oda just constantly raising the point because he plans to pay it off satisfyingly.
                          It's honestly like back with Paulie/Franky with people denying shit post flashback.
                          And some of the arguments are honestly Agog level awful.

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                            @Shift:

                            I feel a lot of great points have been raised about Carrot lately, and I still agree that Yamato isn't a foregone conclusion. Unfortunately, the fact remains that Carrot is still absent, and there's not much left to say to anyone who's convinced her return won't be worthwhile. I'd like to propose that those of us who are still in Carrot's camp agree to let the matter rest for now, until she gets back into the story. I ask that you take that time to recharge and get ready, because I still feel a storm is coming, her moment will come, and I want to face it head-on with you all.

                            BobLoblaw, Vongola, Cockycent, what say you?

                            No promises. If I see more Carrot slander, I might be forced to respond. 😆 I understand the sentiment, though.

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                              @King:

                              Carrot will just stay with Inuarashi and Nekomamushi. Y'know, her bosses, who will stay by Momo's side.

                              Again, double standards. Yamato is the one who has to watch out for retainer job when Carrot is already a retainer herself, and her people has issues to solve themselves regarding Zunesha's eventual death and what they will eventually when that time happens. But no, she can just join the Straw Hats as if duty was not something she has to perform.

                              Again, how does this make any sense? After all, it's not like Carrot has abandoned the musketeers, especially since she still hangs out, works and fights alongside them.

                              So little focus on Carrot I had already forgot she was already a retainer and part of a whole other group that she has not at any point quit or abandoned. If anything what little we did see of her recently was basically her rejoining them to get revenge for a fallen comrade.

                              I guess in that one way you can compare Jimbe to Carrot. She'll have to address being a retainer and what she wants to do going forward before she's available to join any pirate crew.

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                              That makes no sense at all.

                              It makes no sense to ask why you think Oda is doing something or that it was done?

                              Well I guess we're not going to agree on what makes sense. This line of reasoning seems fallacious.

                              If it's a common technique he uses in other cases of foreshadowing, why would it be disqualified by default in Next Crewmate stuff?

                              I'm asking why you think it's even being used. To what purpose? Where is the hint or indication it is even being done?

                              as there's nothing forbidding Oda from using it this time.

                              Its really more like the first time but this is like a wild guess with nothing backing it so I'm not sure why I should consider it.
                              @DarthAsthma:

                              I think everyone with any kind of base understanding of storytelling understands we're going to get some form of payoff for the Carrot defeat. There is just literally no universe in my mind where Oda manages to make that moment alone satisfying enough for me to go yep that crewmate material. Oda intentionally has just massively ignored this character and if the intention was for her to be a crewmate he has just massively sabotaged himself with the amount of character neglect he has done.
                              Also again the clock is ticking on people that frankly can't read. 1016 is just so massively on the nose I literally can't understand how you think it's Oda unnecessarily playing some kind of dumbass 14 d chess red herring bullshit vs Oda just constantly raising the point because he plans to pay it off satisfyingly.
                              It's honestly like back with Paulie/Franky with people denying shit post flashback.
                              And some of the arguments are honestly Agog level awful.

                              Very true.

                              Some of the reasoning in here is beyond me and for some reason no matter how much some post it still doesn't make sense.

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                                I mean, you really cant slander a character that has been ignored even by the author…

                                "No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat

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                                  @DarthAsthma:

                                  I think everyone with any kind of base understanding of storytelling understands we're going to get some form of payoff for the Carrot defeat. There is just literally no universe in my mind where Oda manages to make that moment alone satisfying enough for me to go yep that crewmate material. Oda intentionally has just massively ignored this character and if the intention was for her to be a crewmate he has just massively sabotaged himself with the amount of character neglect he has done.
                                  Also again the clock is ticking on people that frankly can't read. 1016 is just so massively on the nose I literally can't understand how you think it's Oda unnecessarily playing some kind of dumbass 14 d chess red herring bullshit vs Oda just constantly raising the point because he plans to pay it off satisfyingly.
                                  It's honestly like back with Paulie/Franky with people denying shit post flashback.
                                  And some of the arguments are honestly Agog level awful.

                                  It´s more like Brook. Apparently Brook joining was too obvious since the moment we meet him, Luffy asks him, he is going to die, he has to find Laboon and the list goes on.

                                  I am surprised to be honest that so many people are still wasting time on Carrot.

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                                    I mean, you really cant slander a character that has been ignored even by the author…

                                    "Waiting the right time to bring it back" is not the same as "ignored".

                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                      "Waiting the right time to bring it back" is not the same as "ignored".

                                      Meanwhile, I'm still here waiting for Apoo and Drake's return.

                                      They kinda just disappeared after the Ice Oni plotline was resolved. At least Caribou is back.

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                                        Meanwhile, I'm still here waiting for Apoo and Drake's return.

                                        They kinda just disappeared after the Ice Oni plotline was resolved. At least Caribou is back.

                                        My guess is that Apoo ran away when there was no more chance of retrieving the antibodies and Queen jumped to the main hall to fight Chopper. And Drake followed him.

                                        My prediction is that somehow they will get separated, Apoo will eventually fight Brook, and Drake will get involved with Who's Who and CP-0. Three government agents, lots of story to tell.

                                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                          I feel words like "Please, let me join your crew!" are clearer and more assertive than "I'd expect you to let me board your ship" or whatever Yamato actually said directly to Luffy.

                                          We went that way already, the word "join" wasn't used by other current members either.

                                          Worth noticing that tag-alongs don't use any of that, they're always pretty clear about wishing to arrive to a certain island or wanting to see the world on a one-time adventure.

                                          Considering Yamato hasn't expressed any interest in getting off the Sunny in another island and that she's highly interested in the Dawn, chances are, she would be going straight to Laugh Tale.

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                                            We went that way already, the word "join" wasn't used by other current members either.

                                            Well, there's always the translation issues, but I think Robin asked to join the crew especifically?
                                            Also, only her asked to join the crew. All others were Luffy who asked, and "join my crew" was used to ask for some of them (I think Brook was? And, again, there's always the translation issues.)

                                            It would be better to compare the japanese terms, but I always felt interesting how the translation of Yamato's words never used "join your crew/join Luffy's crew", unlike it was used for others (if I'm not misremembering)..

                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                              Yeah, Yamato keeps saying conflicting statements. Then Kaido throws the guardian thing in the fire. I trust Luffy. He probably sense that Yamato isn't so certain.

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                                                "Waiting the right time to bring it back" is not the same as "ignored".

                                                Yeah and when she returned back then, she uttered the legendary, world shattering quote:

                                                "Uuhhh…"

                                                Oda had so many chances to brought the spotlight to Carrot and he ignored them.

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                                                  Yeah, Yamato keeps saying conflicting statements. Then Kaido throws the guardian thing in the fire. I trust Luffy. He probably sense that Yamato isn't so certain.

                                                  I do count as a small hint that Luffy always seem unimpressed, even sometimes annoyed, while he's around Yamato. Plus Luffy calls him "Yamao". Not even the mention of Ace seems to bring Luffy's interest up. Luffy should be at least eager to hear about Ace, but instead he feels annoyed that this girl/guy is following him around. It's almost like there is a missing scene between chapters 984 and 985.

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                                                  Yeah and when she returned back then, she uttered the legendary, world shattering quote:

                                                  "Uuhhh…"

                                                  Oda had so many chances to brought the spotlight to Carrot and he ignored them.

                                                  The arc is far from over, and most likely going to have two more acts ahead.

                                                  Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                    Well, there's always the translation issues, but I think Robin asked to join the crew especifically?
                                                    Also, only her asked to join the crew. All others were Luffy who asked, and "join my crew" was used to ask for some of them (I think Brook was? And, again, there's always the translation issues.)

                                                    It would be better to compare the japanese terms, but I always felt interesting how the translation of Yamato's words never used "join your crew/join Luffy's crew", unlike it was used for others (if I'm not misremembering)..

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                                                    Quick example and random translation.

                                                    Even tho, most translations I've seen before have Luffy saying "we're already friends/companions", especially considering the word Nakama didnt used to get intact, like it does nowadays.

                                                    Besides that, there isn't even any word that you could say it originally said "Join" at all. And Zoro's comment is pretty spot on, to say getting on board, it would equal to join this crew, especially if(again) the character in question hasn't expressed any desire to get off the ship at another certain island.

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                                                      Quick example and random translation.

                                                      Oh, come on, you don'ty have a pattern with ONE example. And this example is far from random, The way Usopp was invited was quite unique, it was the first Non-standard "join our crew" of the series.

                                                      I don't have easy access to english scans, so I can't do this myself. If anyone has a site I can check the manga and that isn't blocked by region so I can access it, I'd gladly do so, but this is what I'd do:

                                                      • Check the words Luffy used to invite Zoro
                                                      • Check the words Luffy used in the Baratie (not only recruiting Sanji, but Zeff, and talking about Zeff why how couldn't take Sanji)
                                                      • Check how Luffy asked Crocus to join.
                                                      • Check the words Nami and Luffy used to invite Chopper
                                                      • Check how Robin asked to join the crew.
                                                      • Check how Luffy asked Iceburg to join.
                                                      • Check the words used by the Franky Family when they asked the SHs to take Franky with them.
                                                      • Check the words used by Luffy to demand Franky joining in exchange for his speedo.
                                                      • Check the words used by Luffy to invite Brook and zombie tree
                                                      • Check what words Luffy used when asked Jinbe to join the crew, after blood surgery.

                                                      From that, a pattern may form. Doesn't mean it has to be in every one of those instances (I skipped Nami and Usopp because I think neither of them were invited like that? Thought I'd check the Buggy arc just in case. Maybe Luffy does invite her there and I've forgot it)

                                                      If I'm not mistaken, I think in the japanese original it's about becoming nakama, while in translations it was often "join my crew" or "become one of our companions" or something like that. The best way to do it would be to compare japanese originals, but I don't have easy access to them, and I don't know japanese, lol. Which is why I avoid discussing about specific wording and go for general gist of the phrase in the context, as translations often change the proper words but try to keep the overall feel.

                                                      Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                        Shrodinger's joining the Strawhat crew official procedure. It both exists and doesn't exist untill someone does a translated panel montage.

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                                                          I do count as a small hint that Luffy always seem unimpressed, even sometimes annoyed, while he's around Yamato. Plus Luffy calls him "Yamao". Not even the mention of Ace seems to bring Luffy's interest up. Luffy should be at least eager to hear about Ace, but instead he feels annoyed that this girl/guy is following him around. It's almost like there is a missing scene between chapters 984 and 985.

                                                          Let's not forget that Yamato introduced himself to Luffy by pulling him away just as the entire team was starting their raid on the stronghold of the big bad of the entire saga, and also while Momonosuke had yet to be rescued. Luffy has had a LOT going on from the moment they set out for Onigashima, so spending time getting to know Yamato and exploring their mutual connections to Ace has simply not been an option. That's something for after the battle's over, not while Momo's actively being strung up for public execution.

                                                          What mattered from Luffy's end was getting a feel on whether Yamato could be trusted and then getting back into the fight. The more in-depth "So, how do you know Ace?" and "You want to join our crew?" discussions between Yams and Luffy were always going to have to wait until later.

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                                                            Shrodinger's joining the Strawhat crew official procedure. It both exists and doesn't exist untill someone does a translated panel montage.

                                                            Its funny cuz we really did already do this with how each strawhat joined.

                                                            The added bullshit interpreting of Luffy feels annoyed around Yamato is a new twist though.

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                                                              Oh, come on, you don'ty have a pattern with ONE example. And this example is far from random, The way Usopp was invited was quite unique, it was the first Non-standard "join our crew" of the series.

                                                              You're the one trying to force a pattern, I'm proving there isn't one.

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                                                                You're the one trying to force a pattern, I'm proving there isn't one.

                                                                You can't prove shit if you are not willing to analyze all the evidence. You are trying to fit the evidence to your theory, rather than fit your theory to the evidence.

                                                                Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                  You don't really need to analyze anything when the characters tell you exactly what is up tho

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                                                                    So is this insistence on ignoring the text, while inventing nonexistant subtext, a "I don't like Yamato" thing?

                                                                    Or a "I've spent years fighting for Carrot/Hancock and can't give it up" thing?

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                                                                      You can't prove shit if you are not willing to analyze all the evidence. You are trying to fit the evidence to your theory, rather than fit your theory to the evidence.

                                                                      People have joined without the word "join" being used, that's a fact, not a theory, not an opinion, its just cannonical stuff in the manga.

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                                                                        I feel a lot of great points have been raised about Carrot lately, and I still agree that Yamato isn't a foregone conclusion. Unfortunately, the fact remains that Carrot is still absent, and there's not much left to say to anyone who's convinced her return won't be worthwhile. I'd like to propose that those of us who are still in Carrot's camp agree to let the matter rest for now, until she gets back into the story. I ask that you take that time to recharge and get ready, because I still feel a storm is coming, her moment will come, and I want to face it head-on with you all.

                                                                        BobLoblaw, Vongola, Cockycent, what say you?

                                                                        Been way ahead of you on that front (sad you didn't include me).

                                                                        For one thing, and I don't think this needs to reemphasized enough, the raid isn't over yet and I doubt many people's "predictions" regarding the events that would happen have come to pass. Events are still unfolding now and I've mentioned before the fallout of this arc is kinda big. A closed off country opening its borders for the first time in centuries, CP-Aegis0 is monitoring the situation, the intermission of the arc is still relatively unknown in regards to the outside world, and Blackbeard is starting to make his move. I can say with complete confidence I have no idea what's going to happen, so I am just waiting to see what unfolds.

                                                                        Besides, it's better than constantly repeating myself.

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                                                                          People have joined without the word "join" being used, that's a fact, not a theory, not an opinion, its just cannonical stuff in the manga.

                                                                          It's amazing how you twist and change goals to reach nowhere.

                                                                          My point was that I felt Yamato's words were kinda weak compared other clearer and more assertive words. "Join the crew" was just an example of such.
                                                                          I never said the same terms were used in every joining. I wasn't even trying to point any pattern, I was stating a personal opinion, and not even to you, when you barged in with your non-sense dismissal that "join my crew" was not used by anyone else.
                                                                          You sparked my interest enough to try to find which words were used for each crewmate, so I hoped you would delve deeper into it and compare multiple crewmates to actually reach a conclusion.
                                                                          Which you failed miserably to do, by going directly to the one example that fit your bias and utterly ignoring everything else that may prove the contrary.
                                                                          I don't know why I even entertain your thoughts, you are never able to back it up, you just conjure the first panel that suits your needs and stops there.

                                                                          Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                            Been way ahead of you on that front (sad you didn't include me).

                                                                            I'm sorry, just grabbed folks from the last few pages to get the ball rolling. I always enjoy reading your takes on it, totally looking forward to getting back into it alongside you.

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                                                                            It's honestly like back with Paulie/Franky with people denying shit post flashback.
                                                                            And some of the arguments are honestly Agog level awful.

                                                                            @MiyamotoMusashi:

                                                                            I am surprised to be honest that so many people are still wasting time on Carrot.

                                                                            @astagadragon:

                                                                            Oda had so many chances to brought the spotlight to Carrot and he ignored them.

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                                                                            Or a "I've spent years fighting for Carrot/Hancock and can't give it up" thing?

                                                                            And since we've agreed to put a pause on Carrot campaigning until she returns, I hope there can also be a pause on the Carrot criticizing until then, too. Let's call it a temporary ceasefire, okay?

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                                                                              Can we non-Carrot-people maybe also make a deal?
                                                                              How about, nobody talks about her ever again, unless she reaches Laugh Tale? Even when the Carrot-people start talking about her again, we just ignore it…

                                                                              Sounds fair to me... :ninja:

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                                                                                To maybe start a new discussion for a bit, are there any characters in this arc - that are not Yamato, Carrot or Tama - you wish would travel with Luffy? Doesn't matter how realistic the chance is or whether they'd join the crew or be there as guests.

                                                                                Because honestly… I'm gonna miss Kin'emon. He really grew on me this arc and it would've been fun to see his reactions to the wonders (and horrors) of the world. That said I'm NOT gonna miss having a third swordsman / pervert. Another character I'd like to see travel with them is X Drake, I like the guy and having to buddy with a "marine" would be neat.

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                                                                                  To maybe start a new discussion for a bit, are there any characters in this arc - that are not Yamato, Carrot or Tama - you wish would travel with Luffy?

                                                                                  Vivi is part of the arc, if only indirectly, so I'm going with her.

                                                                                  I would accept any kind of stupid twist to make it work, like her eating a Devil Fruit and stuff. It's tragic that it took me so long to understand how great her character really was, but I'm blaming the anime for it.

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                                                                                    I wouldn't mind Law sticking around and his crew.

                                                                                    @Deicide:

                                                                                    You sparked my interest enough to try to find which words were used for each crewmate, so I hoped you would delve deeper into it and compare multiple crewmates to actually reach a conclusion.
                                                                                    Which you failed miserably to do, by going directly to the one example that fit your bias and utterly ignoring everything else that may prove the contrary.

                                                                                    How can he fail at something he never intended to do though? As you just said it was your hopes he would do that while he intended to do one thing and did it.

                                                                                    Why would anyone bother arguing what you feel are weak words when you're not clear on the words (all the words in other examples as well) translated anyway?

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                                                                                      @Zar:

                                                                                      To maybe start a new discussion for a bit, are there any characters in this arc - that are not Yamato, Carrot or Tama - you wish would travel with Luffy? Doesn't matter how realistic the chance is or whether they'd join the crew or be there as guests.

                                                                                      Because honestly… I'm gonna miss Kin'emon. He really grew on me this arc and it would've been fun to see his reactions to the wonders (and horrors) of the world. That said I'm NOT gonna miss having a third swordsman / pervert. Another character I'd like to see travel with them is X Drake, I like the guy and having to buddy with a "marine" would be neat.

                                                                                      Kin'emon and the goat doctor would be excellent replacements for the samurai and furry doctor of the crew. The ones we have sadly expired during the timeskip.

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                                                                                        @Shift:

                                                                                        I'm sorry, just grabbed folks from the last few pages to get the ball rolling. I always enjoy reading your takes on it, totally looking forward to getting back into it alongside you.

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                                                                                        And since we've agreed to put a pause on Carrot campaigning until she returns, I hope there can also be a pause on the Carrot criticizing until then, too. Let's call it a temporary ceasefire, okay?

                                                                                        And maybe stop 'People who think Carrot will join' bashing for the time being?

                                                                                        I see so many posts trying to dissect and analyze exactly what's 'wrong' with the people who think Carrot is going to join.

                                                                                        Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

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                                                                                          @Zar:

                                                                                          To maybe start a new discussion for a bit, are there any characters in this arc - that are not Yamato, Carrot or Tama - you wish would travel with Luffy? Doesn't matter how realistic the chance is or whether they'd join the crew or be there as guests.

                                                                                          Because honestly… I'm gonna miss Kin'emon. He really grew on me this arc and it would've been fun to see his reactions to the wonders (and horrors) of the world. That said I'm NOT gonna miss having a third swordsman / pervert. Another character I'd like to see travel with them is X Drake, I like the guy and having to buddy with a "marine" would be neat.

                                                                                          Caribou as Caesar replacement.

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                                                                                            Vivi, raizo, kinemon, and law are characters I really like.

                                                                                            Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

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                                                                                              Not a lot of characters that I like from this saga. The ones I do like make no sense for the crew. Oda hasn't put enough energy into too many personalities from this saga anyway.

                                                                                              • Zou - Raizo
                                                                                              • WCI arc - Madara, Streusen, Pero, Kata
                                                                                              • Still don't know if Reverie is an arc or not - Mjosgard and he's from the same arc as Pekoms. Off topic, but I can see Oda bringing Jalmack back.
                                                                                              • Wano - Queen, Lord Orochi, and Denjiro

                                                                                              Oda hasn't put enough effort into the current possible characters for me to be engaged with them on that level. The closest of the 3 would be Tama because her character just pops more. Yamato and Carrot come off like more extreme versions of Luffy. Tama was put in more situations catered to her personality. Various characters successfully bouncing off her and she demands the scene even with Zoro and Luffy in tow.

                                                                                              I wish Oda did this for King and some of the Flying 6. The closest was Who's Who and he was just a racist obsessed with a fairy tale. Both him and Tama still don't cut it, but they are worth mentioning.

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                                                                                                Absolutely no one. Toned down just-the-strawhats for an arc or two so we can get that sweet bonding time before the finale, and so remaining arcs can take less than two years apiece..

                                                                                                Not gonna happen but.

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                                                                                                  @Zar:

                                                                                                  To maybe start a new discussion for a bit, are there any characters in this arc - that are not Yamato, Carrot or Tama - you wish would travel with Luffy? Doesn't matter how realistic the chance is or whether they'd join the crew or be there as guests.

                                                                                                  Because honestly… I'm gonna miss Kin'emon. He really grew on me this arc and it would've been fun to see his reactions to the wonders (and horrors) of the world. That said I'm NOT gonna miss having a third swordsman / pervert. Another character I'd like to see travel with them is X Drake, I like the guy and having to buddy with a "marine" would be neat.

                                                                                                  To humor this, Caribou.

                                                                                                  Don't know what kind of role he has to play in the story yet.

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                                                                                                    If we're changing the topic, I have always believed Vivi will return before Laugh Tale. And that Smoker will join the Straw Hats. I never believed in number theory because of Smoker.

                                                                                                    I'm happy to talk about Smoker joining for a while. Fifteen years since I first posted about Smoker. Still waiting. Never give up. No surrender. Spread your wings and fly. You deserve to be a champion.

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                                                                                                      If we're changing the topic, I have always believed Vivi will return before Laugh Tale. And that Smoker will join the Straw Hats. I never believed in number theory because of Smoker.

                                                                                                      I'm happy to talk about Smoker joining for a while. Fifteen years since I first posted about Smoker. Still waiting. Never give up. No surrender. Spread your wings and fly. You deserve to be a champion.

                                                                                                      How do you imagine it happening?

                                                                                                      Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                                        @Vongola_Boss_XI:

                                                                                                        If we're changing the topic, I have always believed Vivi will return before Laugh Tale. And that Smoker will join the Straw Hats. I never believed in number theory because of Smoker.

                                                                                                        I'm happy to talk about Smoker joining for a while. Fifteen years since I first posted about Smoker. Still waiting. Never give up. No surrender. Spread your wings and fly. You deserve to be a champion.

                                                                                                        Even though it's unlikely that Vivi joining, it's not impossible considering the recent events at Levely. On the otherhand it's now 100% sure that she will meet them again before Laugh Tale regardless what happens.

                                                                                                        Now, I really want to know what do you think is Smoker's dream.

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