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      @starlalilymoon:

      I think Yamato's personality is more like Luffy's to be honest.

      I mean there is a certain amount of overlap betwenn Chopper and Luffy but i'd argue that Luffy has a more prominent side that has more in common with people like Oden. Y'know that inherent confidence, never second guessing himself despite being dumb as a bag of rocks side. Having no care about what others think about him, always doing only what he wants when he wants to etc.

      @FelRes:

      Randolph was a cooler rabbit concept, being a homie and having a crane mount and dressing like a cavalier. Plus spears are cool and not used too much.

      Why did you have to go and re-open that wound.

      Poor Randy deserved better.

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      Yeah it's something I think is being purposely ignored cuz of bias or just blinded by Oden hate cuz when you look at the actual character of Yamato he's really not that much like Oden. He's a pretty odd well meaning person.

      One could always mentally insert extreme parody of a mans man Oden in place of Yams at any point of the story and see if it would change in anyway. I mean since Yams is apparently just being Oden and not himself trying to be like what he imagines Oden to be like it should be a 1:1 transfer.

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        So to be upfront, I am a believer of the number theory and don't really like Yamato, so personally at face value I thought his fruit flat out confirmed he wouldn't be joining. But I'm not close minded, and I have come up with an idea that I think has a solid chance of maybe being the solution.

        First of all, I have to say I don't actually know for sure if this is accurate since I don't know Japanese, but I do remember one of the previously posted lists of possible 2.9 names said Fuko fit and means Wolf. So what if the Inu Inu Model Ooguchi no Makami name is there to throw us off, to make people who believe the number theory think Yamato is definitely not joining, but then we get a scene where the fruit is nicknamed the "Fuko Fuko Fruit"?

        This could also solve the "guardian deity" issue as well, that could be how the scene plays out. During the wrap up of the arc Yamato decides he can't join because he has to stay as a guardian deity, but then Momo/Kinemon says "What are you talking about? Its jusy the Fuko Fuko Fruit, there's nothing holding you back from having an adventure." Yes that's a super crappy example, just something like that.

        As a believer of the theory, I'm not so precious about it that I'm against a loophole like this, and I think it would be a potentially clever way of for Oda to hold to the numbers without making it obvious.

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          Disagree, because this would combat the whole criticism she has nothing unique for her. It literally proves the opposite.

          I don't follow your logic here. If something new is required to combat the criticism about Carrot's uniqueness doesn't that imply that whatever she has going for her right now wasn't enough to do so on its own, thus indirectly proving that the criticism was legitimate?

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            I hope in a year when everything is settled people stop thinking about obscure reasons and instead follow what is the author trying to communicate and what is healthy for the story.
            People that do not seem to have a grasp of that are probably the same that thought real Oden was alive all those weeks back.
            To me it's just crazy that people hold onto something like the number theory over what Oda communicates directly in the story and what seems to be the healthiest most natural character arcs.
            Like stuff like the number theory is cute and it's cool if all falls into place or what not but if you genuinely actually think about doing story things you're actually crazy if you think a consideration like that will ever overwrite actual narrative setup. It's hard enough to make a story good I doubt there is a successfully published author(for print type media, in my experience it can be a bit different for games) in the world that will obsess over weird meta patterns to bend their story to meet those.

            Basically my main point really is if Oda's intention was to fit the number theory he has not set himself up to do it for Wano, the same way if Oda's intention was for Yamato to stay on the island as some of you still seem to believe, he's not set himself up to that either.

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              Tama and Yamato are connected to Ace. They both spent time with Momo and were hurt by Kaido at some point. I think they may end up as retainers.

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                Tbh I never believe in number theory at all. You'd think if Oda really had that in mind he would show a character with DF that fit those numbers as a legitimate new nakama candidate… but no, amongst crewmate candidates he instead shows: 1) minks, or 2) dango girl, or 3) mythical wolf.

                So I think the number theory is either has been smothered slowly by Oda... or he will use it on later day with a totally unexpected fruit etc (not Kuma or Kinemon).

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                  @Coookie:

                  I don't follow your logic here. If something new is required to combat the criticism about Carrot's uniqueness doesn't that imply that whatever she has going for her right now wasn't enough to do so on its own, thus indirectly proving that the criticism was legitimate?

                  Let me rephrase it. Currently the criticism that Carrot had no uniqueness to her in combat is legit (depending on the person really, as its not unanimous in this forum). Its the part where people say that even if she got a DF (emphasis on IF) or something else entirely that she still wouldn't be unique. That is where I disagreed on with the previous poster, because it would do the exact opposite, which is combating the original criticism….as in fixing that issue that people are so hung up on.

                  To me, I find Carrot unique enough to join. For me, she has no real need to get fixed.

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                    He might be those colors on the tips of his hair

                    Shouldn't look black somewhere then? Like the tips of his hair?

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                      Shouldn't look black somewhere then? Like the tips of his hair?

                      Not if Oda is trying to make it look more energy or flame. It can still have those elements in color even if the BW art doesn't support it.

                      Oda's not super consistent about what colors should be black or not, he just goes with what's best on the page.

                      Like Jinbe's current outfit is a lighter orange than his first one, almost yellow, but its inked black to be visually distinct and thematic.

                      Or like every single beast pirate outfit is black, but the anime made them a wide variety of colors.

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                        Toko's black hair being pink tripped everyone out

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                          Also Queen’s blonde hair being black in the manga. Oda aims at contrast, not color consistency, In his b/w character designs.

                          Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                            Thankfully Carrot can be let go of soon, what an annoying following

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                              Carrot is set to have a conclusion to her character arc. Her arc is on hold right now, but it will be picked up again at some point. Until then, she has some chance.

                              No one considered Jinbe’s story was over when he skipped Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, Zou or Wano acts 1 and 2. Carrot’s moment is still coming. I don’t think she will join, but I have no doubt her arc is not over and will get a powerful conclusion.

                              Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                The Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Okuchi no Makami having a certain overlap with the Mink makes a lot of sense.

                                Considering the intimate relationship Wano has with Zou, it follows that a Devil Fruit Form that has overlap with the Mink visually would be a form respected/revered by the people of Wano.

                                The potential history of Wano hinted at through the Okuchi no Makami Devil Fruit conveys a further relevance for both Yamato and the Mink in regards to Wano. I can see where the argument of Yamato remaining in Wano comes from and that is a legitimate view but I am interpreting the presented information in a difference light. Wano is going to challenge/stand against the World Government once the borders are open and Yamato will be the piece Momonosuke uses to see about the arrival of the Dawn i.e. sending Yamato beyond Wano Kuni to see the journey Joy Boy left unfulfilled, complete.

                                Further, I am curious about the origins of Kaido's knowledge of Wano Kuni. I don't believe Rocks visited Wano Kuni as no mention of it was made during Oden's flashback - all we got was a statement of the former Rocks Pirates gathering new "comrades". Rocks's may have told Kaido about the importance of Wano or Kaido may have found out about Wano's relevance after his experience on God Valley - is this where Kaido also found out about the Okuchi no Makami Fruit? I suspect the Devil Fruit resided outside Wano Kuni. There is a story behind Yamato's Devil Fruit and I am very curious about it.

                                Xebec D. Rocks has a story yet to be told and while it may be saved to highlight Teach's motives and actions, the story of Kaido and Rocks could be leveraged to substantiate Yamato's opposition to the Blackbeard Pirates (if Ace and the pathing of the Straw Hat Pirates aren't enough).

                                Personally, I find Yamato be an incredibly fascinating character with a vast potential in regards to evolving the current One Piece story being told. The expansive room Yamato has for interpretation in regards to their role also makes him an exciting character to theorize about.

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                                  I was for Momo and then I realized that his arc is not about fulfilling Oden's shoes, but the opposite. He has to have and SPEAK his own dream. We know this because of Kaido, which makes it all the more ironic that he's attempting to bend Yamato to his will. Momo has to stay in Wano to fulfill what Oden wasn't fit for and Yamato probably should sail with Luffy, but at least definitely isn't going to be Shogun.

                                  If there's any hesitance for me with Yamato being the next crewmate it's because I find the Oden emulation to be kind of lame (so lame that it gives more credence to the idea of Oden being a Gary Stu character than anything else including the entire flashback) and the sense I got from this chapter is that it's not something Yamato will or should (in the logic of the series itself) grow out of. But Oda has laid it out so that it would make a lot of narrative sense for a lot more reasons than anyone else's joining would.

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                                    Carrot is set to have a conclusion to her character arc. Her arc is on hold right now, but it will be picked up again at some point. Until then, she has some chance.

                                    No one considered Jinbe’s story was over when he skipped Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, Zou or Wano acts 1 and 2. Carrot’s moment is still coming. I don’t think she will join, but I have no doubt her arc is not over and will get a powerful conclusion.

                                    I know we don't agree on Carrot joining, but you really pinned down how I feel about what's still to come. Until I see what her journey has been leading up to, I can't set her aside for anyone else.

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                                      Why would people consider Jinbe's story was over after he had just been invited to join. Carrot just needs the candy man to go down.

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                                        Why would people consider Jinbe's story was over after he had just been invited to join. Carrot just needs the candy man to go down.

                                        No, she needs to figure out the meaning of Pedro’s words. That’s why she was reminded of them after her defeat.

                                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                          No, she needs to figure out the meaning of Pedro’s words. That’s why she was reminded of them after her defeat.

                                          This. Join or not, her arc has never been about Perospero.

                                          Pedro sacrificed himself so that Carrot could live. She didn't set out on a voyage to avenge the mentor who was still alive at the time she stepped aboard Thousand Sunny. In fact, it's implied that throwing her life away fighting Perospero is a distraction from what she is really meant to pursue. Pedro wanted Carrot to keep moving forward. He gave up his life. He didn't want Carrot to then in turn throw her life away in avenging him.

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                                            @Shift:

                                            I know we don't agree on Carrot joining, but you really pinned down how I feel about what's still to come. Until I see what her journey has been leading up to, I can't set her aside for anyone else.

                                            I don't ignore the possibility of Carrot joining, but my personal (and of course subjective) reading of the story leads me to believe her fate lies somewhere else.

                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                              Why would people consider Jinbe's story was over after he had just been invited to join. Carrot just needs the candy man to go down.

                                              Where did this myth come from? Pedro's words were keep moving forward. Words uttered before he even confronted Perospero. He didn't say, "Avenge me and then go home." She wants to because he was a friend and mentor, but that has nothing to do with what he told her.

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                                                Let me rephrase it. Currently the criticism that Carrot had no uniqueness to her in combat is legit (depending on the person really, as its not unanimous in this forum). Its the part where people say that even if she got a DF (emphasis on IF) or something else entirely that she still wouldn't be unique. That is where I disagreed on with the previous poster, because it would do the exact opposite, which is combating the original criticism….as in fixing that issue that people are so hung up on.

                                                To me, I find Carrot unique enough to join. For me, she has no real need to get fixed.

                                                Well, I do agree if Carrot ate a DF any time from now to the end of the arc she'd be more interesting to me.

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                                                  I barely know Shanks, but i'm not not annoyed by Luffy looking up to him. I don't get the hate for Oden. I don't dislike or love him. Yamato being infatuated with his actions and story has more reasoning than Luffy knowing Shanks. It wasn't shown what exactly caused Luffy to try and scar himself. Was Shanks the first time Luffy met a pirate? What did Luffy initially gravitate to?

                                                  Luffy didn't even know Shanks was a Yonko before Garp told him, so I know Luffy most likely didn't keep up with the Red Hair Pirates before they came to the island.

                                                  Point is, Yamato has more on panel reasoning to be inspired or infatuated with Oden than the MC does for his "hero". Journal, seeing Oden at his finest, a disdain for his dad possibly factoring into it. I bet more is revealed to show why Yamato, as an enemy's kid, would be touched by this guy.

                                                  I'm more sold on people disliking Oden than the infatuation being irrational.

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                                                    Its not really a theory since I have no real substantial proof to make it a legit theory. It was just fun speculation, loose at that. But while I can't exactly remember, it was because i personally didn't want to choose due to the fan-wars going on. Adding to that, to address Carrot's Sulong problem with the moon, I'd either hope she'd get a DF that gives her easier access to the Moon (Moon Logia anyone?), or that Yamato, if both were to join, had a Mythical Zoan DF that allows control of the moon in some way or another.

                                                    Yeah, we rarely ever get a person in the present time eat a devil fruit, so it would be interesting if Carrot found one. Yeah, that is an interesting combination. So, if Yamato/Carrot represent the moon, does Jinbei represent the Sun?

                                                    Now that its confirmed that Yamato has a Mythical Wolf Zoan DF, now Im really hoping that said DF has some powers over the Moon as well, because then both characters can join without issue, and because Yamato's DF was stated plainly as day to be the Guardian Deity of Wano, which is heavily MOON themed. And wolves and moons are like the most common association anyone can make.

                                                    I think you are on to something. With her abilities being Ice, maybe that sorta relates to the Moon, I don't know. What do you think?

                                                    Also, I read this on Worstgen, but someone brought up the idea that in regards to joining the crew, that the people who get to join would be people representing one of the Four Road Poneglyphs. I actually like that possibility, but that would mean we would have gotten a character join in WCI, seeing as Big Mom had a RP herself, and the Fishman Island one went poof.

                                                    On the other hand, Jinbei joined in WCI, so if we play around with the settings a bit, you get this:

                                                    Zou - Carrot.
                                                    Whole Cake - Jinbei (Joined)
                                                    Wano - Yamato

                                                    Seeing as the one in Fishman Island went poof, this means the last RP could, maybe, dictate the last member to join the Straw Hats. Maybe Elbaf?

                                                    That is a very interesting way to determine new people joining. I guess it is just hard to see having more characters join the crew, unless Oda decided to be unpredictable when he said made Luffy say about having ten crewmembers plus himself. I guess we have to see!

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                                                    would have been easier to predict if we knew about the story of yamato takeru and the wolf deity :ninja:

                                                    Where can I learn more about this story? It sound interesting.

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                                                    If anything I'm ready to move on and start arguing if there'll be an 11th and 12th strawhat.

                                                    I can't see more Strawhats joining the crew because of what Luffy said in Chapter 1 that he wanted ten beyond him. But there is is always the thing that Oda wants to be more unpredictable. Though I also feel like if we get another crewmember minus Yamato it has to be in Wano.

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                                                      I can't see more Strawhats joining the crew because of what Luffy said in Chapter 1 that he wanted ten beyond him. But there is is always the thing that Oda wants to be more unpredictable. Though I also feel like if we get another crewmember minus Yamato it has to be in Wano.

                                                      Google Strawhat 13 theory.

                                                      I just want it to happen. This whole somebody has to join Wano is mind implanted restriction based on ppl thinking One Piece is ending sooner than later. As if the next arc has to be the final one.

                                                      I wouldn't be surprised if Elbaf surprised a lot of ppl crewmate wise.

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                                                        I barely know Shanks, but i'm not not annoyed by Luffy looking up to him. I don't get the hate for Oden. I don't dislike or love him. Yamato being infatuated with his actions and story has more reasoning than Luffy knowing Shanks. It wasn't shown what exactly caused Luffy to try and scar himself. Was Shanks the first time Luffy met a pirate? What did Luffy initially gravitate to?

                                                        Luffy didn't even know Shanks was a Yonko before Garp told him, so I know Luffy most likely didn't keep up with the Red Hair Pirates before they came to the island.

                                                        Point is, Yamato has more on panel reasoning to be inspired or infatuated with Oden than the MC does for his "hero". Journal, seeing Oden at his finest, a disdain for his dad possibly factoring into it. I bet more is revealed to show why Yamato, as an enemy's kid, would be touched by this guy.

                                                        I'm more sold on people disliking Oden than the infatuation being irrational.

                                                        I assume you're replying to me? I didn't say the Oden infatuation was irrational, but that the emulation was lame (which just means I don't think its interesting). I like Oden actually, but I don't think it's invalid to say the way everyone in the past and present was and is enamored with him is pretty bonkers.

                                                        The questions you're asking about Luffy's infatuation with Shanks are just not analogous to what I'm annoyed with and I also don't think they're difficult to answer. Luffy tried to scar himself to prove that he was tough and manly, his conception of such being childish at the time. The story of One Piece is the story of why Luffy gravitated to Shanks and co: Comraderie, friendship, laughter, and dreams.

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                                                          Google Strawhat 13 theory.

                                                          I will when I get a chance and get back to you on that! :happy:

                                                          I just want it to happen. This whole somebody has to join Wano is mind implanted restriction based on ppl thinking One Piece is ending sooner than later. As if the next arc has to be the final one.

                                                          I'm not one of those people though. I think One Piece end probably at least 1600 to 1800 chapters. I know there be Elbaf, Ace's grave, the last island before Laugh Tale, Laugh Tale, World Government arc, and maybe some type of smaller arc with some type of fun island.

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                                                            Nope, 10 main characters are already too many and that's why Oda splitted the crew back then in Dressrosa and WCI. Not to mention with the allies we have every arcs, most SHs are already sidelined.

                                                            Even if Oda really adds Yamato to the crew, I fear that she'll only become a new toy syndrome, that she only become relevant for 1-2 volumes after joining and then get sidelined like Nami, Usopp and Chopper nowadays. It's sad but when you have many main characters in a weekly series someone is getting sidelined for sure.

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                                                              I will when I get a chance and get back to you on that! :happy:

                                                              I'm not one of those people though. I think One Piece end probably at least 1600 to 1800 chapters. I know there be Elbaf, Ace's grave, the last island before Laugh Tale, Laugh Tale, World Government arc, and maybe some type of smaller arc with some type of fun island.

                                                              Well then 600 to 800 more chapters (it wont be THAT much more, that's another 20 years of One Piece) is more than enough time to add two more nakama that can bond with the crew through multiple arcs.

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                                                              Nope, 10 main characters are already too many and that's why Oda splitted the crew back then in Dressrosa and WCI. Not to mention with the allies we have every arcs, most SHs are already sidelined.

                                                              Even if Oda really adds Yamato to the crew, I fear that she'll only become a new toy syndrome, that she only become relevant for 1-2 volumes after joining and then get sidelined like Nami, Usopp and Chopper nowadays. It's sad but when you have many main characters in a weekly series someone is getting sidelined for sure.

                                                              I won't mind if I get my two more strawhats after Yamato since I don't feel the same way as you or most as far as strawhat focus.

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                                                                Once again, the series ain't ending when its ending. No matter when Oda actually finishes the manga, in 3 years or 7, the spinoff media will continue it in some form for decades to come.

                                                                Even if the direct story isn't carried over, the characters can be ported to alternate takes and specials and what-if movies.

                                                                Like how Sunny, Robin and Franky were in the crew when they retold CHopper's intro story. Or over in Dragonball how they're doing Heroes, which has zero continuity with the "real" timeline but still showcases everyone. Or how GT existed even though its basically been overwritten at this point. Or how franchises like tenchi Muyo or Tank Police kept the cat beut rebooted the continuity for every outing.

                                                                Hell, look at Lupin the Third. Its has no continuity whatsoever and every single outing is its own standalone thing for fifty years.

                                                                Add in spinoff mangas and specials and it just doesn't matter how late a character joins or how many years they get in the manga, the manga ending won't be the actual end for a franchise this big..

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                                                                  Well then 600 to 800 more chapters (it wont be THAT much more, that's another 20 years of One Piece) is more than enough time to add two more nakama that can bond with the crew through multiple arcs.

                                                                  I guess we have to see. I'm only thinking Yamato is the final one because of Luffy saying he wanted ten crewmembers, and plus each of the characters need development anyway.

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                                                                  Add in spinoff mangas and specials and it just doesn't matter how late a character joins or how many years they get in the manga, the manga ending won't be the actual end for a franchise this big..

                                                                  I guess that is true. Though I can't see spinoff mangas, since I'm sure Oda either wants to retire or write a whole new manga that is not connected with One Piece after he is done with the ending to his current manga.

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                                                                    Where did this myth come from? Pedro's words were keep moving forward. Words uttered before he even confronted Perospero. He didn't say, "Avenge me and then go home." She wants to because he was a friend and mentor, but that has nothing to do with what he told her.

                                                                    Iunno that feels more like a general allies thing than a exclusively just for Carrot character arc thing.

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                                                                      I guess that is true. Though I can't see spinoff mangas, since I'm sure Oda either wants to retire or write a whole new manga that is not connected with One Piece after he is done with the ending to his current manga.

                                                                      Naruto and Dragonball both continued with new creators handling them.

                                                                      Though both eventually brought the original creator back to do the writing.

                                                                      And One Piece has already had spinoffs. Dr. Chopper, the high school thing, the Ace novels…

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                                                                        Well then 600 to 800 more chapters (it wont be THAT much more, that's another 20 years of One Piece) is more than enough time to add two more nakama that can bond with the crew through multiple arcs.

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                                                                        I won't mind if I get my two more strawhats after Yamato since I don't feel the same way as you or most as far as strawhat focus.

                                                                        Probably not 600 to 800, but I do still think ending around chapter 1500 makes sense. Wano alone is probably going to push 150 chapters and we still have a lot of stuff to deal with.

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                                                                          Naruto and Dragonball both continued with new creators handling them.

                                                                          Though both eventually brought the original creator back to do the writing.

                                                                          I know for Naruto is was Boruto, but what was for Dragonball? Dragonball Super?

                                                                          And One Piece has already had spinoffs. Dr. Chopper, the high school thing, the Ace novels…

                                                                          Oh! I seen the Ace novels on Amazon, though I thought it was more of an expansion of his story?

                                                                          But I do need to check out the other stuff though! Where can I find them?

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                                                                          Probably not 600 to 800, but I do still think ending around chapter 1500 makes sense. Wano alone is probably going to push 150 chapters and we still have a lot of stuff to deal with.

                                                                          1500 chapters just feels too little to fit in everything that Oda wants, that's why I was thinking at least up to 1800, but I guess we see!

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                                                                            I know for Naruto is was Boruto, but what was for Dragonball? Dragonball Super?

                                                                            Oh! I seen the Ace novels on Amazon, though I thought it was more of an expansion of his story?

                                                                            But I do need to check out the other stuff though! Where can I find them?

                                                                            1500 chapters just feels too little to fit in everything that Oda wants, that's why I was thinking at least up to 1800, but I guess we see!

                                                                            I mean, I would be very happy to be proven wrong about that. And I'm not closed off to the possibility it goes longer. I feel like 1500 is longer than most people on this site estimate. Or at least I'm on the longer end of the spectrum. I would love for Elbaf to be another mega arc like Wano and almost certainly the final war in which all the characters from the series return in an epic finale is going to be bigger than anything to date. At that point, I really can't imagine Oda showing any restraint.

                                                                            As for Dragon Ball, the first continuation was Dragon Ball GT. Dragon Ball Super (almost certainly) erases GT from canon, but is similarly a continuation of Dragon Ball following the end of the manga. The big difference is Toriyama had very little input on GT, but is guiding the story for Super.

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                                                                              Yeah, we rarely ever get a person in the present time eat a devil fruit, so it would be interesting if Carrot found one. Yeah, that is an interesting combination. So, if Yamato/Carrot represent the moon, does Jinbei represent the Sun?

                                                                              The Moon and Sun symbolism was a common argument for many Carrot supporters, not to say if you look closer, Carrot and Jinbei are also prime opposites in terms of character and personality. There was this fanart that showed Carrot representing the moon and Jinbei representing the sun. But with Yamato joining, that means the moon represents both Carrot and Yamato, meaning Jinbei needs one more person to equalize. It goes back to the whole Four Road Poneglyph idea I read on Worstgen, because if that ends up being a thing, we already have three people representing 3 out of the 4 RPs. Only one is left.

                                                                              And here is another nice thing. If this is true, the last person to join would be someone from Elbaf I presume and that person would represent the Sun, seeing as Elbaf giants worship it as a god. That would complete the Sun and Moon Symbolism with each having two people on the Straw Hats:

                                                                              The Moon = Carrot and Yamato
                                                                              The Sun = Jinbe and ????

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                                                                              I think you are on to something. With her abilities being Ice, maybe that sorta relates to the Moon, I don't know. What do you think?

                                                                              I think that its pretty possible. You got Wano which is heavily moon-themed and its guardian deity is a wolf, and wolves are heavily associated with the moon. That is just a fact. As for ice powers related to the moon, well, I mean there's icy moons in the universe, but for our own Moon, its generally known that said object is both extremely cold and extremely hot. This comes from the scientific fact that one half of the moon is shrouded in darkness, thus explaining the cold aspect, and the other is bathed in the Sun's radiation fully as the moon has no atmosphere to protect from said radiation, thus explaining the hot aspect.

                                                                              Its why Yamato's attack had the name "Glacier" in it, and looked like flames. Albeit not confirmed of course, the flames can thus be ice, as in lunar flames. And contrary to popular belief, extreme cold burns painfully. And as last chapter showed, Yamato's flames clashed equally with Kaido's own, and in in addition formed a sort of Yin-Yang symbol.

                                                                              The Sun and the Moon are often associated with Yin and Yang. In this case, the Moon is fighting against the Sun that is Kaido and equalizing the match.

                                                                              Now thinking about it further, the moon symbolism is even more apt for Yamato. Why? Well look back at the part where Yamato has been shackled all life under Kaido? That part can represent the dark side of the moon, and the flames Yamato attacked with, can be the bright side of the moon, waking up and freeing itself from Kaido's shackles.

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                                                                              That is a very interesting way to determine new people joining. I guess it is just hard to see having more characters join the crew, unless Oda decided to be unpredictable when he said made Luffy say about having ten crewmembers plus himself. I guess we have to see!

                                                                              To be fair, I didn't even think of it. I only read about the Poneglyph idea on Worstgen, and funny enough, it actually makes sense (than most theories out there). Also, if we are going with the animal theme, the fourth possible and last member may be another animal-based character.

                                                                              I mean, if this ends up being true with Carrot and Yamato joining and representing their respective RPs, you have a rabbit, a wolf and a fish in the crew. Maybe the next could be a cat-themed character? Maybe a Lion-Zoan just go with the Sun symbolism, hehe, seeing as Lions are the common creatures to be associated with the Sun, as how wolves are associated with the Moon.

                                                                              (maybe Pekoms joining the Straw Hats in Elbaf regarding the stuff regarding Big Mom still? Meaning two minks –-:ninja:)

                                                                              This is why I don't choose between Yamato and Carrot. I choose both. Luffy's statement was that "he at least wanted 10 crew members". That, to me, screams "a minimum requirement", not a "maximum"

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                                                                                Luffy's statement was that "he at least wanted 10 crew members". That, to me, screams "a minimum requirement", not a "maximum"

                                                                                Viz went with "I think about 10 men should do", but regardless you're right that the line in chapter 1 doesn't suggest a fixed number in any translation

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                                                                                  Even if it would mean 10 person was his maximum, I think that was at the beginning of the serialization of One Piece, Oda could have changed his mind and I think he should not be bound by it, as it is not something that would drastically impact the story. Same as the utilization of the smile devil fruit. Sheephead could change some of his body parts back to normal, so far we haven't seen anything like that. Oda changed his mind and the story is for the better IMO as the new smile fruit design is hilarious.

                                                                                  As for who joins the crew, I don't have any favorites at the moment, but for me personally Carrot is already part of the crew, sort of like Vivi was (only difference I consider Vivi a full fledged crew member). Both traveled with the crew till they fulfilled their respective goal, Vivi's freeing Alabasta, Carrots going onto an adventure and maybe seeing Pedro's dream being fulfilled.
                                                                                  As for Yamato, his/her character got more attention as the story progressed, so it could be the case that he/she could end up joining the crew, or joining the Grand Fleet, as the proxy ruler of Wano until Momo comes of age, if Oda should not decided to put Hiyori on the throne till then.
                                                                                  Just my two cents till now. Would also love the idea of Tama and Momo being the two cabinboys of the crew. Whatever Oda's final decision will be, I'm sure I will love the outcome of it.

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                                                                                    Viz went with "I think about 10 men should do", but regardless you're right that the line in chapter 1 doesn't suggest a fixed number in any translation

                                                                                    it was clarified in the OP magazine, and Oda has been referencing it in interviews too.

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                                                                                      The theory about each representative of the 4 RP's, doesn't make sense considering that both Roger and Oden went to Laugh Tale and neither of them were like; oh God, we should totally brought Neko and Inu, what the hell.
                                                                                      Not only that, but they didn't tell them either, there was like a gazillion chances for Oden to go; ok listen, make sure a Mink goes to Laugh tale okaaay, its like super important, but it never happens.

                                                                                      And the funniest thing, is that narritavely speaking, it would've worked just fine!

                                                                                      Inu and Neko whom would have been told by Oden about it, should had reveald it at Zou, it would've been fine cause in retroespect, it wouldn't spoiled future members for us.

                                                                                      By Zou, Jinbro was pretty much a given, no worries there.
                                                                                      We would be discussing which Mink was going to be the choice between Pedro, Pekomz and Carrot.
                                                                                      We would've believed for the most part that Momo and Kin'emon were the main candidates, but they were just red-herrings for Yamato

                                                                                      And we would have no idea on the Fourth protectors, that could've raised a lot of speculation about Vivi, Pudding and heck, do we even know where Nami comes from?(before Bell-Mere found her)

                                                                                      Its a cool idea but having gone unmentioned for so long, when we have met so many Laugh Tale visitors, while being so much supposedly relevant, its just unnatural.

                                                                                      I do believe the original protectors of Big Mom's Poneglyph are going to be revealed eventually, but hardly play an important role in the story since the SH's already havr that one RP.

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                                                                                        As for Dragon Ball, the first continuation was Dragon Ball GT. Dragon Ball Super (almost certainly) erases GT from canon, but is similarly a continuation of Dragon Ball following the end of the manga. The big difference is Toriyama had very little input on GT, but is guiding the story for Super.

                                                                                        Toriyama has the same input in Super has he had in GT and every single DBZ movie.
                                                                                        He designs a couple of characters with food related names, throws a couple of plot ideas onto the table and then he lets the anime production work while he waits for the truckloads of money. He has been doing this for almost 30 years yet people still believe all the hype and promotion when the studio announces Toriyama is "working" on the latest DB product.

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                                                                                          it was clarified in the OP magazine, and Oda has been referencing it in interviews too.

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                                                                                          Oh, really? Where can I have a look?

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                                                                                            Naruto and Dragonball both continued with new creators handling them.

                                                                                            Though both eventually brought the original creator back to do the writing.

                                                                                            And One Piece has already had spinoffs. Dr. Chopper, the high school thing, the Ace novels…

                                                                                            Not all current OP readers will follow the sequels/spin offs after OP ends you know. Just look at Boruto, most Naruto fans left the franchise after Naruto ended.

                                                                                            Not to mention OP is very difficult at garnering new readers because its sheer chapter numbers. Dragon Ball is different because how simple its premise/characters are. Basically you only need to know the Saiyans, Goku and Vegeta, and you're set.

                                                                                            So I think the main series crewmembers are the one that will left the biggest impression in readers.

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                                                                                              I used to think that Oda wrapping thngs up for the 30th anniversary seemed about right, but Wano has gone so long now that seems unlikely unless Elbaf and Raftel are relatively short arcs. Which they could be! But around the 30th anniversary makes the most sense for an ending point. It's not too far off of Oda's 5 year estimate, closer to 8 years, editorial will certainly want him to go that far if he's close to done before that, and it leaves just enough time to breathe. That'd put it around chapter 1300 or so.

                                                                                              That said if Elbaf takes more than a year there doesn't seem much chance.

                                                                                              (using 40 chapters per year. Obviously nothing is going to exactly start and stop on a year so more like 50 chapters but… rough math.)
                                                                                              Wano-6 more months -1,050
                                                                                              Elbaf-1 year 1,090
                                                                                              Raftel-1 year 1,130
                                                                                              Odds and ends- 1 year (revos, shanks, vegapunk, etc. Stuff that can fit anywhere but still needs time) 1,170
                                                                                              Final War- 3 years (including about a year of final blowout 1 on 1 fights) 1,300

                                                                                              Lengthen all those arcs by another 10 chapters and you get another year and about chapter 1350.

                                                                                              That would take it just past the 30th anniversary year and into 2028.

                                                                                              My estimate used to be about chapter 1200, and I used to have another year in there for "surprise mystery island!" but that fell apart yeas ago when Cake land took two years, and especially now that Wano is now pushing into four years instead of two or three... which inclines me to think the finale will be similarly exploded.

                                                                                              Obviously you can add a year to every one of those arcs to match the length we've been getting for a while (aside from Zou) but I assume Oda WILL cut corners somewhere to avoid being on it for another 15 years. The next few arcs with just the crew and not a million allies would be the time to do that before stuffing the ending.

                                                                                              Oda is clearly going to need more time than his 5 year hope (we're already through 2 of those) but I wouldn't count on it being a full decade more when he's that determined to be done.

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                                                                                              I know for Naruto is was Boruto, but what was for Dragonball? Dragonball Super?

                                                                                              GT. Super. Heroes. The video games. It's had several continuations of the story with minimal input from Toriyama.

                                                                                              Super is the only one he did major story work in.

                                                                                              Oh! I seen the Ace novels on Amazon, though I thought it was more of an expansion of his story?

                                                                                              Yes, it shows a lot of details hthat weren't in the manga. I haven't read them myself though so I can't really comment on them.

                                                                                              But I do need to check out the other stuff though! Where can I find them?

                                                                                              Japan.

                                                                                              I don't know that any group bothered doing scanlations of the spinoffs.

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                                                                                              Viz went with "I think about 10 men should do", but regardless you're right that the line in chapter 1 doesn't suggest a fixed number in any translation

                                                                                              The Viz translations are spotty at best up until Stephen took over. Especially the earliest chapters which inserted a lot of "piratey" dialogue.

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                                                                                              He has been doing this for almost 30 years yet people still believe all the hype and promotion when the studio announces Toriyama is "working" on the latest DB product.

                                                                                              He was very involved in the Super movies, and his fingerprints are all over those.

                                                                                              The show? Not so much.

                                                                                              The manga he worked as an editor, but you can just SEE the difference when he switched from "suggestions" to "editor" for the Moro arc, and then a difference again with the most recent arc when he started just straight up writing and doing storyboards. Toyotaro's compositions and dynamics changed drastically.

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                                                                                                If I am not wrong some time ago Oda was asked about which characters he'd like to write about and he pointed marines, so maybe we'll get a a bunch of light novels about them (es. Smoker, Coby, Kuzan) but no continuation.

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                                                                                                  He was very involved in the Super movies, and his fingerprints are all over those.

                                                                                                  The show? Not so much.

                                                                                                  The manga he worked as an editor, but you can just SEE the difference when he switched from "suggestions" to "editor" for the Moro arc, and then a difference again with the most recent arc when he started just straight up writing and doing storyboards. Toyotaro's compositions and dynamics changed drastically.

                                                                                                  He was involved in the movies, but all the jazz around his involvement seemed no.different to me than what he did on GT or any other movie. (And the golden freeza movie was so boring, they tried to recreate Nameks ending while ignoring most of what made it interesting or fun, feels like the work of someone who watched it a long time ago and didnt notice the details, Toriyama does forget alot of his own stuff but he tends to crap better stuff than that)
                                                                                                  I recall seeing somehwere that the director or writter for the Battle of the Gods movie thought Beerus name was a food pun on Beer, turns out Toriyama was making a pun with Virus. Not the best communication for someone very involved in the project is it?

                                                                                                  But I havent picked the Super manga in a while, I think I still saw Zamazu being dwfeated, it was much better than the boring anime, and if Toriyama his lending a bit more of his attention to it maybe I should too.

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                                                                                                    He was involved in the movies, but all the jazz around his involvement seemed no.different to me than what he did on GT or any other movie.

                                                                                                    There is a TON of stuff in BotG that is pure Toriyama that wouldn't have happened from any other random writer trying to continue the story normally. Deaging the Pilof gang and having Trunks hit on Mai for instance. That Beerus is a fight over food villain rather than just a dark force. Forgetting that Mystic Gohan was a thing until after the first trailer came out and fans commented on it. God mode being slimmer. That Goku lost. etc. etc.

                                                                                                    Return of Freeza less so, for whatever reason, but then the Broly movie you see his prints all over it again.

                                                                                                    I recall seeing somehwere that the director or writter for the Battle of the Gods movie thought Beerus name was a food pun on Beer, turns out Toriyama was making a pun with Virus.

                                                                                                    His accomplice is named WHiskeyh and every other god of destruction is also an alchoholic drink. Its definitely what they were going for. First I've heard of the "virus" thing.

                                                                                                    if Toriyama his lending a bit more of his attention to it maybe I should too.

                                                                                                    For the first chunk of the manga it was just overall plot and some designs, same thing he provided the anime, no real work on it.

                                                                                                    With the Mmoro arc he went in and adjusted Toyotaro's layouts to have more dynamic poses and such, he worked much more as an editor there.

                                                                                                    Now he's just straight up writing and storyboarding it himself, and they had to change the crediting accordingly.

                                                                                                    If you know what differences to look for the changes are obvious.

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                                                                                                      There is a TON of stuff in BotG that is pure Toriyama that wouldn't have happened from any other random writer trying to continue the story normally. Deaging the Pilof gang and having Trunks hit on Mai for instance. That Beerus is a fight over food villain rather than just a dark force. Forgetting that Mystic Gohan was a thing until after the first trailer came out and fans commented on it. God mode being slimmer. That Goku lost. etc. etc.

                                                                                                      Return of Freeza less so, for whatever reason, but then the Broly movie you see his prints all over it again.

                                                                                                      His accomplice is named WHiskeyh and every other god of destruction is also an alchoholic drink. Its definitely what they were going for. First I've heard of the "virus" thing.

                                                                                                      For the first chunk of the manga it was just overall plot and some designs, same thing he provided the anime, no real work on it.

                                                                                                      With the Mmoro arc he went in and adjusted Toyotaro's layouts to have more dynamic poses and such, he worked much more as an editor there.

                                                                                                      Now he's just straight up writing and storyboarding it himself, and they had to change the crediting accordingly.

                                                                                                      If you know what differences to look for the changes are obvious.

                                                                                                      I wasnt ever trying to deny his involvement in the process, just the notion that OmG, thid has never happened before.
                                                                                                      Most of the DB movies are filled with Toriyama stuff, since they usually went to Toriyama first to ask for ideas and designs and then they worked from there.
                                                                                                      Look at the Androids 13,14,15 and tell that isnt Toriyama. A short purple dude with a big hat? Has no rhyme or reason but it just works somehow. Loved it then, love it now.

                                                                                                      But thats the difference betwen StrongWorld and Film Z in OP.
                                                                                                      Strongworld actually started in Oda's head, he had the characters and lore floating around in his head and managed to get a movie to play around with those ideas, while Film Z had Oda' s involvement and approval but it was the studio that made the characters and plot.
                                                                                                      Both movies are great and had Oda's attention and touch, but one of them clearly was more Oda than the other.

                                                                                                      The Bils name thing was early on in the process, Toriyama sent his first sketches saying the character name was Birusus (my attemp at the japanese spelling), but he didnt say Oh, thats meant to be read as Virus.
                                                                                                      The movie team saw it and thought Well, its DB, it must be a food pun, Beer, and went with it. When they showed Toriyama what they had been working on he was surprised that was how they read the name but liked the concept and approved.
                                                                                                      But Im aware Im kinda talking out of my butt like this, so Ill try to find said interview later, to confirm Im not misremembering anything.

                                                                                                      Havent seen the new Brolly movie, Battle of the Gods was nice enough but the Golden Frieza really left a poor taste in my mouth (despite the fucking awesome Maximum the Hormone track), so I havent gotten around to finally see it.
                                                                                                      And I really gotta catch up with the Super manga.

                                                                                                      Just on a final note, I fucking love DB. Its amazingly designed.
                                                                                                      I relate to Gregs story of being a huge DB and then finding OP which replaced the former as favorite series.
                                                                                                      Thats why I cant fall for these things anymore. Toriyama had a touch/influence on this spin off? Cool but he does that alot and its a big difference betwen him helping out and him actually doing the full work.

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                                                                                                        Spinoff idea #325:

                                                                                                        Kaido takes Yamato to the world of Dragon Ball instead of Wano…

                                                                                                        "I AM HERCULE!!"

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