Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)

Yxenz

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Yeah, but. The point wasn't about the matches but if Carrot is special enough as to be the last one. Also, if the band will be complete as to match the BBs having into account that probably the last member will likely be super powerful and important.

@Solid:

Jinbei vs Vasco Shot, in my head canon Vasco shot is a drunken kung fu master, seawater vs alcohol, lol.

Jinbe VS Burgess is quite obvious. Helmsman VS Helmsman. Martial Artist VS Wrestler. Distance physical attack VS Distant physical attack. Shooting water through the air VS shooting air.

Solid

@Monquito:

aah, leave me alone.

she's been gone for a while you know, makes you forget things about her.

sad, but true.

@Yxenz:

Jinbe VS Burgess is quite obvious. Helmsman VS Helmsman. Martial Artist VS Wrestler. Distance physical attack VS Distant physical attack. Shooting water through the air VS shooting air.

oh, fair point. Sabos manhandling of Burgess has sort of made me forget about burgess in the match ups, hope he gets a power up.

uniaka ikuzakas

I still support sanji vs burgess because he is the mot proeminent member next to BB himself and Shilliew, just like it is with luffy, zoro, sanji. And role that is not fighting based doesn't count since we know nami will fight devon and lafitte brook.

But the fruit power burgess will get will sure make more clear who he is going to get. Like if he gets a bird, jimbe can't fight him, just sanji.

StrawHatJedi

I reject the notion that the Blackbeard Pirates are the final opponents for the Straw Hat Pirates in the entire series. So I think it's an absolutely terrible way to predict who's going to join the crew or not join the crew. Also, Blackbeard is still recruiting. Seems like he might have recruited Moria. He could recruit Weevil. He could start a new Rocks. We don't know. It's a really, really bad way to predict who's going to join Luffy's crew.

Yxenz

@uniaka:

I still support sanji vs burgess because he is the mot proeminent member next to BB himself and Shilliew, just like it is with luffy, zoro, sanji. And role that is not fighting based doesn't count since we know nami will fight devon and lafitte brook.

But the fruit power burgess will get will sure make more clear who he is going to get. Like if he gets a bird, jimbe can't fight him, just sanji.

Well, don't blame Jinbe for his late appearance in the manga, but he's actually closer to Luffy than Zoro.

Kishido

New member is bookmarked

Shift

@Yxenz:

Yeah, but. The point wasn't about the matches but if Carrot is special enough as to be the last one. Also, if the band will be complete as to match the BBs having into account that probably the last member will likely be super powerful and important.

Oh, well in that case: yes. Yes she is.

Monquito

@Vongola_Boss_XI:

I reject the notion that the Blackbeard Pirates are the final opponents for the Straw Hat Pirates in the entire series. So I think it's an absolutely terrible way to predict who's going to join the crew or not join the crew. Also, Blackbeard is still recruiting. Seems like he might have recruited Moria. He could recruit Weevil. He could start a new Rocks. We don't know. It's a really, really bad way to predict who's going to join Luffy's crew.

But there's no guarantee that he's still recruiting core members.

there are Pinkbeard and Aokiji out there, not being Titans and stuff.

Yxenz

@Shift:

Oh, well in that case: yes. Yes she is.

Please elaborate. My proposal is to explain why Carrot would be fit best as the last one. I believe we all agree that means to be the most awaited and one of the most special assets to the band.

Shift

@Yxenz:

Please elaborate. My proposal is to explain why Carrot would be fit best as the last one. I believe we all agree that means to be the most awaited and one of the most special assets to the band.

XD, just ribbing ya. Let's see, now…

What makes Carrot special enough to be the last member? Well, to start, she's got something that a lot of the SHs don't really have: youthful optimism. Most everyone on the crew is either too cool to show any fear (Zoro, Robin, Franky and Jinbe) or freaked out by nearly everything (Usopp, Chopper, Brook and Nami to an extent). Luffy has traditionally been the only one to be joyful at facing danger, but he's finally got a match in that with Carrot. I still can't say whether Carrot would be matched against the mystery Titantic Captain, as we don't know how most of the others will be matched up either. But I do think that she would gladly take on, and be a solid match for, just about any one of them.

Besides that, she's got a mentor who charged her with a very big task: to bring about the dawn of the world. Pedro believed that the SHs were the key to that, and he died to push her and them forward. The dawn is going to be a very big plot point in the sagas to come, and I imagine it has a lot to do with the void century, the ancient kingdom, Joy Boy et all. If she takes a firm handle on the will Pedro left for her, I think she'll be very important indeed.

HeartOfDarkness

Sorry but none of those things exist at all or to that extend.

We can wait to see what Oda does but what he already did for Carrot isnt anything special. Certainly not in terms of characterization dept.

Shift

@HeartOfDarkness:

Sorry but none of those things exist at all or to that extend.

We can wait to see what Oda does but what he already did for Carrot isnt anything special. Certainly not in terms of characterization dept.

I only talked about stuff that was actually shown: her reactions to danger vs other SHs and what Pedro said. Maybe it won't add up to anything in the end, but I tried to make a distinction between my conjecture and what actually exists.

Cockycent

She doesn't make sense as some lead PG finder or Grand Fleet that many have made her out to be. She also doesn't fit into the Connis/Cavendish/Chimney/Paulie/Rebecca category either. That makes Carrot peculiar.

Some have gone back and forth with themselves if she is bound to this Saga or not which resulted in contradiction. That doesn't happen for characters who Oda is being straightforward about in treatment. I shouldn't have to question why she stowed away or was shown to be a lookout in her first chapters and throughout WCI arc.

It could've ended here when Oda placed her back w/ the Minks, but then he put her with the crew an not the Musketeers. Some have seen it as a way to keep up w/ the Minks for a costume or transformation. Yet, we were shown the Musketeers with no BP disguise and 2 Minks being Scabbards has been enough to keep up on that scale. When will the Minks go out of focus and the crew is fully focused on? Highly unlikely because we have 2 Scabbards and multiple Minks in Musketeers, 1 each in 2 other Supernova crews.

So Mink representation for costume or Sulong is out of the question. Why is she there? Shinobu has been separated from the Momo rescue triplets. If anything, Carrot could've been a new Scabbard w/ Shinobu, but not only has been distant from Momo at different points where she could've interacted w/ him, she isn't showing interest in that exact task at all. There was more done to make her a SH in training with the Lookout focus, interactions with Brook, Sanji, Nami and Chopper (clashing w/ Captain and fake VC ), isolated placement with the crew than an ally like Cavendish or Paulie.

When Oda does more to put her in the ally category, i'll be on board for that because it makes sense.

Deicide

IMO, Carrot is still around because there's still one thing to resolve for her: Pedro's death. My guess (from a standpoint of her not joining) is that Pedro will be avenged, and Carrot will be witness to it, thus closing her story. Most likely (always IMO) is that she will confront Perospero, but won't be able to defeat him. Sanji (the character that caused the entire WCI arc and felt responsible for his death) will defeat Perospero, giving Carrot peace.

Now, that same logic could also be used to say she's going to join. She needs to avenge Pedro, but in that case she will be the one doing it, so she gets her own fight. I don't think that's what Oda has been building up to, but anything is possible.

Monquito

You know, I think its a bit weird that we didn't see a scene of Nekomumashi leaving anyone else in charge of the Guardians, like how Inu left Shishilian in command of the Musketeers.
Neither Roddy or Blackback were given command, considering it's a bit strange that Marco saw a shadow in the ocean on his way to the back of Onigashima, while Perospero was way too far behind, we can't even see Nekomumashi's ship from Perospero's perspective when he climbs the Waterfall.

So, also considering that Perospero would be in a huge disadvantage against Marco's fire and that both of them should be playing mayor roles than just fighting each other in the coast, I think its possible that, Tarte 05 is here.

Deicide

@Monquito:

So, also considering that Perospero would be in a huge disadvantage against Marco's fire

Does Marco's fire burn? It feels like it's just healing power, I think.

I think its possible that, Tarte 05 is here.

Nope.

The shadow is Bege's ship, but we won't know that until Bege comes save the day in Act 4. :ninja:

Oh, and Moria's with him.

Cockycent

@Deicide:

IMO, Carrot is still around because there's still one thing to resolve for her: Pedro's death. My guess (from a standpoint of her not joining) is that Pedro will be avenged, and Carrot will be witness to it, thus closing her story. Most likely (always IMO) is that she will confront Perospero, but won't be able to defeat him. Sanji (the character that caused the entire WCI arc and felt responsible for his death) will defeat Perospero, giving Carrot peace.

Now, that same logic could also be used to say she's going to join. She needs to avenge Pedro, but in that case she will be the one doing it, so she gets her own fight. I don't think that's what Oda has been building up to, but anything is possible.

Who would she exact the revenge against? I would assume the only BM Pirates getting focus. Perospero and BM. If it's BM, that would warrant a team effort, but I believe the BM chase for the SH crew will continue beyond the Wano arc. Whether it's BM or Pero, I think the BM beef doesn't end this arc.

Pedro's death resolving her treatment is possible,, but I don't get how that addresses the Dawn that is bigger than just what the BM Pirates caused

Deicide

@Cockycent:

Who would she exact the revenge against? I would assume the only BM Pirates getting focus. Perospero and BM.

I think the other BM children will get up and some of them will get fights, especially Smoothie, but they'll be late in the arc and probably not explored deeply. I'm talking about Perospero, thought. Carrot targetting Perospero to avenge Pedro.

Pedro's death resolving her treatment is possible,, but I don't get how that addresses the Dawn that is bigger than just what the BM Pirates caused

I feel the whole Dawn is more a "mink" thing than a "Carrot" thing. Once Carrot's arc is finished, she will return to the minks, who in turn return near the end of the story.

Of course, I may be wrong, but that's my interpretation at this point.

Cockycent

@Deicide:

I think the other BM children will get up and some of them will get fights, especially Smoothie, but they'll be late in the arc and probably not explored deeply. I'm talking about Perospero, thought. Carrot targetting Perospero to avenge Pedro.

I feel the whole Dawn is more a "mink" thing than a "Carrot" thing. Once Carrot's arc is finished, she will return to the minks, who in turn return near the end of the story.

Of course, I may be wrong, but that's my interpretation at this point.

It would be funny if the candy slug had the BM Pirates not too far behind, despite Pedro being shown thinking too himself and promising to exact revenge on almost everyone. Shows how focused he is

That Dawn speculation would mirror Inu and Neko's tenure as Roger Pirates, but really just an extension of Oden. I can see that if she's not meant to be an immediate SH pirate.

andre

@Deicide:

Does Marco's fire burn? It feels like it's just healing power, I think.

Nope.

The shadow is Bege's ship, but we won't know that until Bege comes save the day in Act 4. :ninja:

Oh, and Moria's with him.

It could be Bakkin and Weevil.

Berry Rich

Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Vista
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Usopp vs Van Auger
Sanji vs Shiryu
Chopper vs Vasco Shot
Robin vs Doc Q
Franky vs Jesus Burgess
Brook vs Lafitte
Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf
Pedro vs Avalo Pizarro

Deicide

Ok, since everyone is doing it:

Luffy vs. Blackbeard
Zoro vs. Shiryu
Usopp vs. Van Augur
Chopper vs. Doc Q
Brook vs. Laffite
Boa Hancock vs. Catarina Devon

And the ones that I'm not very confident yet:
Sanji vs. Burgess (with the Hie Hie no Mi)
Nami & Zeus vs. Bakkin & Weevil
Jinbe vs. Basco Shot
Franky vs. Sanjuan Wolf
Robin vs. Avaro Pizarro

BobLoblaw

@Deicide:

I feel the whole Dawn is more a "mink" thing than a "Carrot" thing. Once Carrot's arc is finished, she will return to the minks, who in turn return near the end of the story.

Of course, I may be wrong, but that's my interpretation at this point.

If a mink isn't represented on the Pirate King's crew, then Oda made a mistake somewhere. :ninja: You can't have a fishman who represents FI, an ancient weapon, and the concept of equality without a mink who represent Zou, the new dawn, the death of two friends (Pedro/Yasuie) and open borders for Wano.

Edit: And Jinbe "Knight of the Sea" will face "Colossal Battleship" San Juan Wolf. You won't see SJW on land. Besides, Burgess is a captain now and not a helmsman, so that role doesn't mean as much anymore.

Deicide

@BobLoblaw:

If a mink isn't represented on the Pirate King's crew, then Oda made a mistake somewhere. :ninja: You can't have a fishman who represents FI, an ancient weapon, and the concept of equality without a mink who represent Zou, the new dawn, the death of two friends (Pedro/Yasuie) and open borders for Wano.

What? And no tontatta? Snakehead? 3-eyed? Longarm? Longleg?

Cockycent

@Deicide:

What? And no tontatta? Snakehead? 3-eyed? Longarm? Longleg?

All of this is in the Fleet, except Snakeneck and 3 eye

Deicide

@Cockycent:

All of this is in the Fleet, except Snakeneck and 3 eye

And the entire mink tribe will be allied with Luffy as well. It doesn't mean he needs a mink crewmate.

I cited other races on purpose. Just like we got other races allied to Luffy in other ways, there's no quota for minks or any others in the crew.

It's not to say "Carrot can't join". She may. But I don't think she will, because I don't think there's any requirement of a mink as nakama.

Cockycent

@Deicide:

And the entire mink tribe will be allied with Luffy as well. It doesn't mean he needs a mink crewmate.

I see needing a Mink or any race, the same as needing a Logia or a cabin boy. I don't see any rule by Oda that is permanent to back these things up. I would add needing a Marine or "only 10 members" to this category. Lastly, "they have to match up with the BB Pirates". We don't even know the full roster to that group yet. I never disagreed with the sentiment of your last sentence. Just pointing out that if anything is "covered", Tontatta and the others are.

BobLoblaw

@Deicide:

What? And no tontatta? Snakehead? 3-eyed? Longarm? Longleg?

And what world-altering events have those races contributed to?

Shiebs

You guys remember there's two more races we don't know of yet that need representation, Big Mom said there were three races she didn't have, we know one of them was Giants (and we already have those) the next one is Kings race, and then one other unknown race

I still think one of those races might be fairies (but I could be wrong)

also there's the three eyed tribe, snake necks and possibly aliens

King Cannon

Sky People are more or less aliens.

Shiebs

@King:

Sky People are more or less aliens.

This is true but I was talking more about the space pirates we saw in Enel’s back story

SeaOfHope

@Shiebs:

You guys remember there's two more races we don't know of yet that need representation, Big Mom said there were three races she didn't have, we know one of them was Giants (and we already have those) the next one is Kings race, and then one other unknown race

I still think one of those races might be fairies (but I could be wrong)

also there's the three eyed tribe, snake necks and possibly aliens

Probably a variation of the Sky people between the Skypeians, Birkans, and Shandians. The other 2 races is anyone's guess.

Shiebs

@SeaOfHope:

Probably a variation of the Sky people between the Skypeians, Birkans, and Shandians. The other 2 races is anyone's guess.

Would Oda have made such an air of mystery around Kings race if it was one we had already seen in the story before?

I don’t think so, although I’ve been wrong plenty of times before on One Piece theories

Gecko Moria

@Shiebs:

This is true but I was talking more about the space pirates we saw in Enel’s back story

Those are Minks.

Monquito

@Shiebs:

This is true but I was talking more about the space pirates we saw in Enel’s back story

The Space Pirate's Jolly Roger kinda gives away Vegapunk being behind all of that.

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@Gecko:

Those are Minks.

Uuh no? The Space Pirates are robotic-like and their appearance ressemble animals, but are not Minks. A couple of them look like crocodiles for example, we know reptiles aren't part of the Mink species.

Solid

okey, I changed my mind regarding Hitetsu being some kind of ninja master (because of the tengu theme), he is in fact Sukiyaki himself, and will help Momo to rule over Wano and teach him stonemasonry and the ancient language.

Zhenja

@Solid:

the ancient language.

For what, after Luffy changes the World it becomes obsolete.

Solid

@Zhenja:

For what, after Luffy changes the World it becomes obsolete.

heritage… legacy!

Sukiyakis death was left ambiguous, Hitetsu had Odens swords, he couldn't go to the village, they have similar builds (and arm hair lol), but the biggest hint of all, they both play around with kokeshi dolls! And I think that is the "mystery" regarding those dolls, nothing more, nothing less.

LordButler

I mean, if I had a way to create stone tablets that lasted for literally hundreds to thousands of years with little to no degradation, I'd probably use that to make sure my culture's history was represented for a long period of time.

Zhenja

Momo would probably leave some dirty jokes on the stones. :ninja:

Nouryoku

All the lines of dialogue Carrot has had in Wano:

We're here, guys!
Luffy! Garchu!
He was a match for Duke Inuarashi…
The plan's falling apart, what're we going to do?!
Choniki, you guys look so cool!
The cold weather shouldn't be a problem for us, since we have fur.
Hey, Kin'emon! Everyone! We're here!
Jinbe!
Choniki, you look so cool! I didn't know the Sunny had this!
You should focus on the battle!
Choniki!
"No big deal?" That's Big Mom!
Gyahhhhhhhhh!
Go away, Mr. Sun! Stop calling Big Mom here!
Yeah, but…
Yeah!
Oof!
Waah!

StrawHatJedi

@Deicide:

What? And no tontatta? Snakehead? 3-eyed? Longarm? Longleg?

The Minks and Fishmen were entrusted with Road Poneglyphs by Joy Boy. They have a special connection to the World's History. As do the people of Wano. But we probably already have a descendant from Wano aboard the ship (Zoro).

Monquito

@Nouryoku:

All the lines of dialogue Carrot has had in Wano:

We're here, guys!
Luffy! Garchu!
He was a match for Duke Inuarashi…
The plan's falling apart, what're we going to do?!
Choniki, you guys look so cool!
The cold weather shouldn't be a problem for us, since we have fur.
Hey, Kin'emon! Everyone! We're here!
Jinbe!
Choniki, you look so cool! I didn't know the Sunny had this!
You should focus on the battle!
Choniki!
"No big deal?" That's Big Mom!
Gyahhhhhhhhh!
Go away, Mr. Sun! Stop calling Big Mom here!
Yeah, but…
Yeah!
Oof!
Waah!

Pretty sure Yamato already has more dialogue than her in 4 chapters.

RomanceDawn

With Jinbei in the crew what more do I have to fight for? I used to love this thread back before Jinbe finally appeared and when he appeared as I argued against him. He's in and now I the allure of a new Straw Hat just hasn't done it for me in a long time. I think in large part because I want to just see the current members do even more amazing things on a regular basis again. Or as regular as basis something can be in a story this vast.

andre

@Nouryoku:

All the lines of dialogue Carrot has had in Wano:

We're here, guys!
Luffy! Garchu!
He was a match for Duke Inuarashi…
The plan's falling apart, what're we going to do?!
Choniki, you guys look so cool!
The cold weather shouldn't be a problem for us, since we have fur.
Hey, Kin'emon! Everyone! We're here!
Jinbe!
Choniki, you look so cool! I didn't know the Sunny had this!
You should focus on the battle!
Choniki!
"No big deal?" That's Big Mom!
Gyahhhhhhhhh!
Go away, Mr. Sun! Stop calling Big Mom here!
Yeah, but…
Yeah!
Oof!
Waah!

She has not been treated with anything near the level of focus and importance of the other Straw Hats by any means. Been rereading some stuff and even with pretty varied joining circumstances, they all immediately stand out and are treated as highly important people. Not saying this means Oda doesn't plan for Carrot to join, but if he does, he's taking a very different route.

Gecko Moria

@Monquito:

The Space Pirate's Jolly Roger kinda gives away Vegapunk being behind all of that.

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Uuh no? The Space Pirates are robotic-like and their appearance ressemble animals, but are not Minks. A couple of them look like crocodiles for example, we know reptiles aren't part of the Mink species.

Well, we don’t know for sure. But I always thought it was confirmation the Minks originally came from the moon. The Space Pirate Captain looks especially Minkish.

Monquito

@Gecko:

Well, we don’t know for sure. But I always thought it was confirmation the Minks originally came from the moon. The Space Pirate Captain looks especially Minkish.

They didn't seem capable of Electro tho.

And electricity itself took them all down.

And the same cover story explains that the Skypieans, Bilkans and uh the other sky people race came from the moon, but there is no trace of Mink origins.

To me, it seems pretty clear that Vegapunk send them there, he would be the only one smart enough to make robots and spaceships and their Jolly Roger with the big head, looks a bit like Vegapunks shadow from Ceasar Clown's flashback.

Gecko Moria

@Monquito:

They didn't seem capable of Electro tho.

And electricity itself took them all down.

And the same cover story explains that the Skypieans, Bilkans and uh the other sky people race came from the moon, but there is no trace of Mink origins.

To me, it seems pretty clear that Vegapunk send them there, he would be the only one smart enough to make robots and spaceships and their Jolly Roger with the big head, looks a bit like Vegapunks shadow from Ceasar Clown's flashback.

I never thought about that before, but a Moon-centered Vegapunk arc is way more interesting. I’m all for it.

Diablo26283

We will get 13 Strawhats.

Jinbe joint official at Act 3 of the Wano Kuni Arc as the 9th Nakama and the 10 Strawhat

Carrot will be joining in Act 4. The Battle begins by the Full Moon. She is the 10th Nakama and the 11 Strawhat

Yamato will be joining after the Final Act. He/She is the 11th Nakama and the 12 Strawhat.

There will be new Nakama. They will be joining one after another that Oda once said

After Wano Kuni Vivi is the Last Nakama. She the 12th Nakama and the 13 Strawhat

The Last Villian to overcome for Luffy and his Friends is Blackbeard

Blackbeard has official 10 Titanic Captains under him at the Dressrosa Arc but he is recruiting 2 more!

1. Jesus Burgess
2. Shiryu
3. Van Augur
4. Avalo Pizarro
5. Laffitte
6. Catarina Devon
7. Sanjuan Wolf
8. Vasco Shot
9. Doc Q
10. Kuzan
11. Moria
12. Unknown powerful and Dead Person

Ruffy, Zorro, Nami, Lysop, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Yamato, Vivi

Md-Martin

@Diablo26283:

There will be new Nakama. They will be joining one after another that Oda once said

No. I don't know why this point needs to keep being nailed into peoples' heads but he didn't specify that two members of the Crew would join in succession. Based on the timing of when he said this (around 2010) and the context of it, it's pretty damn clear what he meant was that more than one person would ally with the Strawhats in quick succession.

In the same way that people for 10 YEARS have claimed "Oda said the next nakama would be a former boss character" when the context shows he clearly was referring to the characters from Impel Down joining up with Luffy for the breakout.

Using a decade old half translated accurately quote doesn't do anything to help a point you're trying to make in 2020.