Being swayed by the prospect of an Oden fan club on Wano, basically.
Ah, well I get the feeling that Yamato will go through a character development in her realizing that she should be herself and live through life on her own personal terms as opposed to Oden’s terms. I really don’t see Yamato wanting to keep on impersonating Oden after Wano’s borders open honestly.
His jutte already has seastone…
@Zik:
Don't see Smoker replacing his jutte.
Don't know why more fighters don't use sea stone weaponry though.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Smoker already lost his jutte while fighting Vergo. Which is why I expect him to get something more impressive in its place.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
With how much the beast pirates are falling apart and splintering their huge numbers, is it really that unlikely that some chunk of them won't look to Yamato to be their new leader post-arc? I suppose King's still enough of a blank that he could end up being the respectable one that keeps enough of the crew together post-arc, but there's just so many of them to account for that it seems easy to see a group bawling their eyes out and begging Yamato to lead them in place of terrible Kaido, Queen, and Jack. Maybe even start a "Neo Beast Pirates." Although Yamato could easily turn them down and come up with a different future for them.
I don't know, I've just been seeing Yamato with the beast pirates as a foil to Katakuri with the BM pirates.
Has Yams ever shown any fondness for any of the BPs?
Has Yams ever shown any fondness for any of the BPs?
None trying to conflate Yamato with Katakuri in relation to there parents crew is foolhardy considering what we know it makes no sense
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Smoker already lost his jutte while fighting Vergo. Which is why I expect him to get something more impressive in its place.
Hancock already destroyed his jutte in the Marineford War. He can easily get another replacement.
Dunno why he would use anything else. It's like expecting Zoro to just start using clubs.
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With how much the beast pirates are falling apart and splintering their huge numbers, is it really that unlikely that some chunk of them won't look to Yamato to be their new leader post-arc? I suppose King's still enough of a blank that he could end up being the respectable one that keeps enough of the crew together post-arc, but there's just so many of them to account for that it seems easy to see a group bawling their eyes out and begging Yamato to lead them in place of terrible Kaido, Queen, and Jack. Maybe even start a "Neo Beast Pirates." Although Yamato could easily turn them down and come up with a different future for them.
I don't know, I've just been seeing Yamato with the beast pirates as a foil to Katakuri with the BM pirates.
The Beasts Pirates are held together by worship and fear of Kaido. Without him, there's no reason for them to stick together. King and Queen hate each other for example.
Some Pleasures and Waiters already said they were quitting. And most Gifters are becoming loyal to Tama.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Smoker already lost his jutte while fighting Vergo. Which is why I expect him to get something more impressive in its place.
I just expect him to get a new one.
I mean Oda could've easily gave Smoker a sea stone sword and be done with it but he specifically gave him a weapon like the judge befitting of his profession. Don't see him changing it.
@Zik:
I just expect him to get a new one.
I mean Oda could've easily gave Smoker a sea stone sword and be done with it but he specifically gave him a weapon like the judge befitting of his profession. Don't see him changing it.
Hancock already destroyed his jutte in the Marineford War. He can easily get another replacement.
We saw him recovering the seastone tip then, and then we had the timeskip for him to get it fixed or replaced.
This is different now, in that he actually lost the jutte and is going to Vegapunk's place. Considering how Vegapunk developed a lot of special weaponry over the years (prison bullets, seastone Warship coating, DF-weapons), I think Smoker is getting some high tech improvements to put him on par with the Straw Hats.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
With how much the beast pirates are falling apart and splintering their huge numbers, is it really that unlikely that some chunk of them won't look to Yamato to be their new leader post-arc? I suppose King's still enough of a blank that he could end up being the respectable one that keeps enough of the crew together post-arc, but there's just so many of them to account for that it seems easy to see a group bawling their eyes out and begging Yamato to lead them in place of terrible Kaido, Queen, and Jack. Maybe even start a "Neo Beast Pirates." Although Yamato could easily turn them down and come up with a different future for them.
I don't know, I've just been seeing Yamato with the beast pirates as a foil to Katakuri with the BM pirates.
Now while I can see why some may think this is a possible outcome facts like Yamato being locked up with explosive cuffs, never actually being a part of the Beast Pirates, being totally against his father, and beating the crap out of BP pirates right now without a second thought makes me think he wouldn't entertain leading them at all.
If anything Yamato might tell them to repent, stay on Wano to help rebuild, etc.
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We saw him recovering the seastone tip then, and then we had the timeskip for him to get it fixed or replaced.
This is different now, in that he actually lost the jutte and is going to Vegapunk's place. Considering how Vegapunk developed a lot of special weaponry over the years (prison bullets, seastone Warship coating, DF-weapons), I think Smoker is getting some high tech improvements to put him on par with the Straw Hats.
I dont think Smoker's the type to rely on a weapon to put him on the level of Luffy when he can keep training to get stronger so he could do it his way.
I coyld see Vegapunk giving him a high-tech jutte with all the bells and whistles though or a Swiss army knife version.
Being swayed by the prospect of an Oden fan club on Wano, basically.
Unless Momo or any of the Scabbards do something for him to the same extent Luffy has done, I doubt it.
Luffy is the guy who destroyed his cuffs and is going to defeat his dad. It's really unlikely Yamato would feel more swayed for Oden when his life is being turned upside down by someone far greater.
Plus, we also have to address the fact that the attachment Yamato has for the Kozuki Clan is completely based on a book. It's not really something natural like he had with Ace or Luffy so far. People who actually stood up against his oppressor because they learned about his plea. This is familiar, because it's what Nami, Robin, Brook and others have gone through.
It's why the whole retainer thing doesn't really work at the moment. We saw why Kin'emon, Denjiro and others decided to become Oden's retainers. They were naturally drawn by him since he gave them food and some form of shelter. Meanwhile, Momonosuke is not really doing anything to actually earn Yamato's respect or devotion. He's just being babysat. And the "devotion" is all based on stuff Oden wrote to begin with.
We can talk about retainers when Momo actually steps up to save Yamato, otherwise his life debt is to Luffy.
With how much the beast pirates are falling apart and splintering their huge numbers, is it really that unlikely that some chunk of them won't look to Yamato to be their new leader post-arc? I suppose King's still enough of a blank that he could end up being the respectable one that keeps enough of the crew together post-arc, but there's just so many of them to account for that it seems easy to see a group bawling their eyes out and begging Yamato to lead them in place of terrible Kaido, Queen, and Jack. Maybe even start a "Neo Beast Pirates." Although Yamato could easily turn them down and come up with a different future for them.
I don't know, I've just been seeing Yamato with the beast pirates as a foil to Katakuri with the BM pirates.
I don’t rule out the possibility, though with it being emphasized that Yamato wants to escape Wano and adventure out as much as it has, then I honestly find it harder to see Yamato being convinced to stay.
@Zik:
I dont think Smoker's the type to rely on a weapon to put him on the level of Luffy when he can keep training to get stronger so he could do it his way.
I will disagree there because Smopker has relied on tech to enhance his combat skills since his debut: blowing bike, prison bullets (used to imprison Buggy and Alvida) and the seastone-tipped jutte.
He learned haki and got stronger in the timeskip, but it showed that he was left behind by Luffy, and he has lost all his fights since. Considering we are unlilkely to see another timeskip, I feel he will get enhanced weaponry instead, considering where he's headed and will most likely be part of the Vegapunk arc.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Yamato’s shackles that Luffy destroyed were both literal and metaphorical chains that stopped him from venturing out to sea
And now that there gone and he can finally see the world, with no shackles to stop him, he finally has his freedom he’s waited his whole life for and what’s he gonna do with that new found freedom? Apparently he’s gonna stay in Wano?
Symbolism be damned
We saw him recovering the seastone tip then, and then we had the timeskip for him to get it fixed or replaced.
This is different now, in that he actually lost the jutte and is going to Vegapunk's place. Considering how Vegapunk developed a lot of special weaponry over the years (prison bullets, seastone Warship coating, DF-weapons), I think Smoker is getting some high tech improvements to put him on par with the Straw Hats.
High tech can't replace Smoker's actual fighting style that he's been developing and using for ages.
A simple blacksmith could fix his jutte or make him a new one. Heck, he probably has the authority to simply order someone to buy and insert the tip and then deliver it to him. He's a Marine, not a pirate who's stranded for money. The Marines probably have a whole stock of juttes, with seastone being crafted in a trivial thing.
Hell, Smoker could have multiple juttes with seastone tips just to be safe. Again, money is no problem.
Again, this is like having Zoro use clubs. He wouldn't be comfortable with it. Stuff like the weight and shape of the weapon influence performance.
I will disagree there because Smopker has relied on tech to enhance his combat skills since his debut: blowing bike, prison bullets (used to imprison Buggy and Alvida) and the seastone-tipped jutte.
You mean standard Marine tech? Why are you treating seastone tools as something rare? Even Impel Down has seastone bullets. Heck, Capone Bege has a seastone spear and he's a pirate.
I mean, what would be stopping Smoker from simply having someone combine a new jitte and a seastone bullet to make a new seastone jitte?
Marines have enough seastone to coat their battleships bottoms. It's not a resource they're lacking on.
I will disagree there because Smopker has relied on tech to enhance his combat skills since his debut: blowing bike, prison bullets (used to imprison Buggy and Alvida) and the seastone-tipped jutte.
The blowing bike is literally a means of transportation. Not a means of combat. No different than Ace's skiff that he used to travel.
Prison bullets sound like something he used once to capture low level pirates. Not an alternative to his own strength.
Just cuz Smoker has used tech to capture pirates doesn't mean he's going to abandon his own power.
He learned haki and got stronger in the timeskip, but it showed that he was left behind by Luffy, and he has lost all his fights since. Considering we are unlilkely to see another timeskip, I feel he will get enhanced weaponry instead, considering where he's headed and will most likely be part of the Vegapunk arc.
All enhanced weaponry would do is stunt his growth.
It's more likely Smoker becomes more proficient with haki and awakens his logia than solely rely on a weapon from Vegapunk to put him on Luffy's level.
If Smoker is relying on a Vegapunk weapon to put him on the level of the top pirates he might as well stay in Paradise.
I hope Smoker, Kidd and Law get more powerful soon, there Luffy's rivals and there way way way behind
I'm not expecting them to be at Luffy's level, but a little bit closer would be nice, enough that they can actually be considered rivals again
That's probably a pipe dream now, the only rival Luffy will have at the end is Black Beard
I hope Smoker, Kidd and Law get more powerful soon, there Luffy's rivals and there way way way behind
I'm not expecting them to be at Luffy's level, but a little bit closer would be nice, enough that they can actually be considered rivals again
That's probably a pipe dream now, the only rival Luffy will have at the end is Black Beard
Well there’s also Im, who’s likely responsible for quite a bit of the corruption that has gone on in the One Piece world, but that’s probably a little too soon to count on at this point.
I hope Smoker, Kidd and Law get more powerful soon, there Luffy's rivals and there way way way behind
I'm not expecting them to be at Luffy's level, but a little bit closer would be nice, enough that they can actually be considered rivals again
That's probably a pipe dream now, the only rival Luffy will have at the end is Black Beard
We're at the end of the series. The time for serious rivals is passed, it's time for Luffy to be the man worthy of being pirate king. Goku didn't stay even with Tien or Piccollo for very long, even though they were equals for a little while.
I'm not sure how Oda keeps up the power scale and has anything be a threat on the remaining islands until we get back to Blackbeard and the admirals… but then we don't have that much left to go. Elbaf, Raftel, final war are the only things that demand time on the checklist... however the revolutonaries and vegpunk and Shanks and whatever else fit in to all that... its entirely possible Luffy only has one or two BIG fights left in "five" years left in the series.
Well there’s also Im, who’s likely responsible for quite a bit of the corruption that has gone on in the One Piece world, but that’s probably a little too soon to count on at this point.
He’s definitely gonna be a big villain, but I don’t know if I would call him a rival
I still wouldn’t be surprised if Luffy and Black Beard would have to team up against him, but that’s probably because IM came about so last second as a big bad and not really foreshadowed and has been built as this huge threat that’s tied to the series lore, it all reminds me of that rabbit lady from Naruto that both Naruto and Sasuke had to team up against before there final fight,
its entirely possible Luffy only has one or two BIG fights left in "five" years left in the series.
Which are probably Blackbeard and Akainu, IMO.
I actually hope we see Luffy having to fight less and the other Straw Hats get the spotlight more often in these leftover adventures. It should be the crew's turn to grow up, in preparation for the Blackbeard 1v1s.
We're at the end of the series. The time for serious rivals is passed, it's time for Luffy to be the man worthy of being pirate king. Goku didn't stay even with Tien or Piccollo for very long, even though they were equals for a little while.
I'm not sure how Oda keeps up the power scale and has anything be a threat on the remaining islands until we get back to Blackbeard and the admirals… but then we don't have that much left to go. Elbaf, Raftel, final war are the only things that demand time on the checklist... however the revolutonaries and vegpunk and Shanks and whatever else fit in to all that... its entirely possible Luffy only has one or two BIG fights left in "five" years left in the series.
I’m still not sold on the five year plan, but I get your drift
But honestly I hated that about Dragon Ball, everyone became so useless without Goku, his rivals were all shadows of there former self, same with Naruto, at the end both Naruto and Sasuke could take on the entire world by themselves if they wanted too, no one mattered
I was hoping that wouldn’t happen in One Piece, I know Luffy has to become the pirate king and Black Beard will be his final rival, as the anti Luffy, and they need to be at the center of the change in the world, but I was hoping that Luffy’s old rivals would at least have a presence that Luffy could acknowledge them as true rivals by the end and they wouldn’t end up like Goku or Naruto’s old rivals (outside of Vegeta and Sasuke who are still rivals)
I hope Smoker, Kidd and Law get more powerful soon, there Luffy's rivals and there way way way behind
I'm not expecting them to be at Luffy's level, but a little bit closer would be nice, enough that they can actually be considered rivals again
That's probably a pipe dream now, the only rival Luffy will have at the end is Black Beard
Blackbeard won't be a rival so much as an obstacle, just like Kaido is at the moment.
I know the supernova were an idea Oda made up as an editor's suggestion right before Saboady but the hype given to them I'd have to think with the other title for them that includes Blackbeard as the worst generation that some of them would be on Luffy's level if to only sort of mirror Roger's era. He had Xebec, WB, and Shiki at the least.
Back when Oda just envisioned the end game of OP being Luffy taking on the shichibukai I'm pretty sure they basically would've been the yonkou of the story and in that instances there's 7 other ppl on Luffy's level.
@Zik:
I know the supernova were an idea Oda made up as an editor's suggestion right before Saboady but the hype given to them I'd have to think with the other title for them that includes Blackbeard as the worst generation that some of them would be on Luffy's level if to only sort of mirror Roger's era. He had Xebec, WB, and Shiki at the least.
Back when Oda just envisioned the end game of OP being Luffy taking on the shichibukai I'm pretty sure they basically would've been the yonkou of the story and in that instances there's 7 other ppl on Luffy's level.
Which makes me wonder how Oda envisioned Doflamingo and his past back in 2002, since Law played a considerable role in his past.
Which makes me wonder how Oda envisioned Doflamingo and his past back in 2002, since Law played a considerable role in his past.
Either there was no Law at all in the story or no Law as we know him now.
You could take Law out of Doflamingo's backstory and have it mostly the same. You just have to change motivations for taking him down by it being someone else's plan to take him on. Maybe Rosinante is still alive in this version. Could also possibly take out the smiles subplot altogether. Dressrosa is largely the New World Alabasta.
@Zik:
Back when Oda just envisioned the end game of OP being Luffy taking on the shichibukai I'm pretty sure they basically would've been the yonkou of the story and in that instances there's 7 other ppl on Luffy's level.
Other way around. Oda always intended for the Emperors to be the endgame. Warlords were a later edition. He regrets making it 7 of them.
Other way around. Oda always intended for the Emperors to be the endgame. Warlords were a later edition. He regrets making it 7 of them.
Wow I've read some serious misinformation that I've seen repeated more than once.
Then that second part of my post is largely invalid. Makes more sense now the WG have just abolished the entire warlord system now.
Did he regret making them too much or did he want more than 7? I'm guessing less since he didn't even bother to make them 7 members again after Moria, BB, Jinbe, Law, Doflamingo, and w/e they did to Kuma all lost or gave up their titles before the group became defunct.
And before that I was still wondeing who they offered the position during the timeskip that apparently refused.
I didn't mean to imply Yamato would take up the near-full power of the crew. Just that, of the thousands and thousands of pirates that will be breaking off and figuring out what to do post-arc (mostly fleeing), a couple hundred or so looking to Yamato to lead them and form a new crew seems likely, whatever new name they want to come up with. Of course, any new crew Yams starts should take an in-series year before they become notorious enough to be considered top player in Luffy's era. But yeah, the bigger the group, the more likely it's just for Yamato to direct them to repent and help Wano. Wano already has 10,000 criminal Ninja and Samurai that are gonna be put to work, but you can never have too many.
Maybe there's room for Ulti to lose respect in Kaido and turn into a fangirl for Yams (with Pay Pay following), but that's the absolute most I could see of named/relevant beast pirates joining Yams post-arc. Otherwise just a relatively small group of nobodies that conveniently want the Young Master to save them from going back into the New World with nobody to follow or continue suffering under Kaido/Queen/Jack any longer.
I wonder if the supernovas can play recruitment game to bolster their own numbers post-arc while Luffy's shouting at all the mooks there's no room with his.
Ah, well I get the feeling that Yamato will go through a character development in her realizing that she should be herself and life through life on her own personal terms as opposed to Oden’s terms. I really don’t see Yamato wanting to keep on impersonating Oden after Wano’s borders open honestly.
I imagine so, but a big part of why Yamato wants to go exploring in the first place is because it's what Oden did. Whatever he decides to do, I hope it's as his own person and not as Oden's expy.
@Zik:
When did Yamato say anything about an Oden fan club on Wano?
Yamato can continue his Oden worship/obsession/admiration/fandom far away from Wano. He's already given up the journal.
Obviously those are my words, but as Yamato is a huge Oden fan and has found people who knew and pledged themselves to him, it makes sense that they might, might, want to take some time to connect over their common interest.
Unless Momo or any of the Scabbards do something for him to the same extent Luffy has done, I doubt it.
Luffy is the guy who destroyed his cuffs and is going to defeat his dad. It's really unlikely Yamato would feel more swayed for Oden when his life is being turned upside down by someone far greater.
Plus, we also have to address the fact that the attachment Yamato has for the Kozuki Clan is completely based on a book. It's not really something natural like he had with Ace or Luffy so far. People who actually stood up against his oppressor because they learned about his plea. This is familiar, because it's what Nami, Robin, Brook and others have gone through.
It's why the whole retainer thing doesn't really work at the moment. We saw why Kin'emon, Denjiro and others decided to become Oden's retainers. They were naturally drawn by him since he gave them food and some form of shelter. Meanwhile, Momonosuke is not really doing anything to actually earn Yamato's respect or devotion. He's just being babysat. And the "devotion" is all based on stuff Oden wrote to begin with.
We can talk about retainers when Momo actually steps up to save Yamato, otherwise his life debt is to Luffy.
Yamato still wants to be Oden. That fact has remained the same since he was 8, even with Ace and Luffy in his life. Yamato has essentially been the same person this whole time, with only that book and stories to draw on. How is Yamato supposed to change?
It's through Momo. That is how Momo is helping him right now. Sure, snapping off shackles and beating Yamato's suppressor is great. But if Yamato actually wants to become someone better than Oden, I think that key lies with Momo, the one Yamato believes will bring the dawn, the one who's opening up to Yamato about his weakness and insecurity, completely separate from his dad. And that's the thing: Momo is not his dad, nor is Yamato. They may need each other to realize that there's more to life than being like Oden.
It doesn't even have to be a retainer relationship. I've said before Yamato and Momo could become the good version of the Kaido/Orochi partnership, with Yamato supporting Wano and Momo from wherever he is, and maybe even having his own surveying detail to travel the ocean like he wants and have a home base on Wano.
Yamato’s shackles that Luffy destroyed were both literal and metaphorical chains that stopped him from venturing out to sea
And now that there gone and he can finally see the world, with no shackles to stop him, he finally has his freedom he’s waited his whole life for and what’s he gonna do with that new found freedom? Apparently he’s gonna stay in Wano?
Symbolism be damned
That's what it means to be free: being free to choose whatever it is you want to do.
I may be wrong that Yamato won't end up going with the Straw Hats, just as I may be wrong that Carrot will. What I'm confident in, however, is that there is a choice that lays before Yamato. And whatever way Yamato chooses won't be bad.
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Obviously those are my words, but as Yamato is a huge Oden fan and has found people who knew and pledged themselves to him, it makes sense that they might, might, want to take some time to connect over their common interest.
As per usual, after Kaido is defeated like every other major big bad there'll be some down time to spend a few days or a week on Wano and a big party while Oda fills us in on whats going on in other places of the OP world.
Yamato will have time to socialize with all the scabbards before he leaves.
I hope Smoker, Kidd and Law get more powerful soon, there Luffy's rivals and there way way way behind
I'm not expecting them to be at Luffy's level, but a little bit closer would be nice, enough that they can actually be considered rivals again
That's probably a pipe dream now, the only rival Luffy will have at the end is Black Beard
I don't think rivalry should be measured with just strength. It's the chemistry between people that makes it a rivalry.
Everybody uses Roger and Whitebeard as examples, they're portrayed as equals in strength, but it's possible that Roger was much stronger than Whitebeard.
He just never used his full strength against him because he liked him and had fun fighting him and actually didn't want to defeat him.
(@anybody please don't reply with "but their bounties are so close to each others", I don't care)
Luffy would still have a good fight with those three even if everybody knows that Luffy is the stronger and better fighter.
Blackbeard is an enemy not a rival, as much as Kaido, as much as Akainu, as much as Im will be.
Other way around. Oda always intended for the Emperors to be the endgame. Warlords were a later edition. He regrets making it 7 of them.
My understanding is that the emperors were meant to be the main antagonists from the start, and that Mihawk and the others basically became the biggest reason for why One Piece lasted longer since Oda felt they were too cool not to add.
“The reason why 'One Piece' has been continually running for the past 20 years is because of the Seven Warlords of the Sea (the Shichibukai). 'One Piece' was initially intended to be a tale of fighting against the Four Emperors (the Yonko), wrapping up after just five years. It struck me that having these cool Seven Warlords of the Sea in the comic would be awesome; it was just a passing thought really. And then, just like a horror movie, it’s spiraled into such a long series!!
Why couldn’t it be Five or Two Warlords of the Sea? I thought that “Seven Warlords” just sounded so much cooler!! Well, I’ve no lingering regrets since I’ve already drawn what I’ve wanted to draw.
Just a little more!!”
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@Zik:
I know the supernova were an idea Oda made up as an editor's suggestion right before Saboady
Yeah, to be more specific, apparently he created them in between Chapters 497 and 498 back in 2008.
“I have to mention Law. Actually it's not too much to say that all Supernovas have more highlight scenes than I imagined. I created Supernovas right before the chapter where they got introduced. None of them existed in my plot notebooks before that chapter. I was in desperate situation, worrying, "At this rate, Sabaody arc will not be interesting enough." Then, inspiration for 9 Supernovas came to my mind unconsciously. I should have reduced the number of Supernovas since they were too many, but after all, I made all of them appear in manga!! I'm really surprised they survive till now since I thought about half of them would drop out of tough New World already.
They are worst!! They are the worst generation, indeed. I imagined Kid would become an important character, but…Law!! I didn't imagine he would become such an important character.”
Yamato and Jinbe would make it easier for the Doffy/Fujitora and Moria/Kuma like situations in the future. Luckily, Kuma and Fuji didn't go all out and it wasn't their intention during those arcs.
Zoro and the rest of the crew were worn out in TB arc. Another "monster" like Jinbe and Yamato would be better because many of the possible future foes might not have characters unwilling to be full on enemies with intentions to go all out. If a Fuji type that is either close or above the Doffy of a future arc is present, they will need someone other than Sanji or Zoro to step up.
Law spoke to how numbers matter. The crew might not have FT Pirates, Germa, Scabbard or a Supernova crew like allies present in certain spots to cover those numbers.
Yeah, to be more specific, apparently he created them in between Chapters 497 and 498 back in 2008.
https://i.ibb.co/Jk20Wck/F49-B7-AFD-A324-42-ED-9443-04-FFA459-E514.webp
“I have to mention Law. Actually it's not too much to say that all Supernovas have more highlight scenes than I imagined. I created Supernovas right before the chapter where they got introduced. None of them existed in my plot notebooks before that chapter. I was in desperate situation, worrying, "At this rate, Sabaody arc will not be interesting enough." Then, inspiration for 9 Supernovas came to my mind unconsciously. I should have reduced the number of Supernovas since they were too many, but after all, I made all of them appear in manga!! I'm really surprised they survive till now since I thought about half of them would drop out of tough New World already.
They are worst!! They are the worst generation, indeed. I imagined Kid would become an important character, but…Law!! I didn't imagine he would become such an important character.”
Oh so yeah, after the shichibukai ballooned the story Law was not planned at all to be that intertwined in Doflamingo's backstory.
Also seems like Law's rise in popularity totally screwed Kid from getting an arc he'd be involved in much sooner. Probably screwed Hawkins too since Oda wanted him to be a warlord.
And I'm going to guess given how Apoo and Hawkins showed up as part of the Beast Pirates, these are some of supernovas he thought would've already bit the dust. Cuz they seem kind of tacked on as well. I'd say Drake but whenever Oda came up with SWORD that probably has its own subplot Drake will play a part in.
@Zik:
Did he regret making them too much or did he want more than 7? I'm guessing less since he didn't even bother to make them 7 members again after Moria, BB, Jinbe, Law, Doflamingo, and w/e they did to Kuma all lost or gave up their titles before the group became defunct.
He joked about it in a recent interview. Electricmastro posted the actual thing.
@Zik:
Oh so yeah, after the shichibukai ballooned the story Law was not planned at all to be that intertwined in Doflamingo's backstory.
There were some early hints that Law would be important anyway, since he teamed up with Luffy and Kid, and that was way before any popularity poll. He also had his crew focused by having the first ever Mink in the series and Jean Bart recruited.
Him being intertwined with Doflamingo wasn't hard to pull off either since they were both North Blue pirates and had a similar flag. If anything, I think Doflamingo's importance was the one thing that ballooned out of control (which led to Law himself becoming even more important), as Oda did state in an interview that Doflamingo was originally meant to be in Orochi's role as Kaido's primary ally and act similar to one of his executives, meaning he was just supposed to be a supporting antagonist instead of having an arc of his own.
There were some early hints that Law would be important anyway, since he teamed up with Luffy and Kid, and that was way before any popularity poll.
Fanmail moves faster than popularity polls.
Law first appeared in 498 with the other supernova. Gave Kidd the finger in 500, (which is what a lot of people latched onto as "wow this guy is cool!") then had that group shot in 504, and the actual team up after that.
Yes, that he was at the auction house in 502 in the first place is significant, but that was certainly enough time to get initial fanmail reactions and expand accordingly.
The next fan poll was a couple months later while Impel Down was happening, and Law snagging 10th place that fast is certainly what expanded his role in the war.
Maybe Odas kids gave him feedback straight from the school yard lol
Fanmail moves faster than popularity polls.
Law first appeared in 498 with the other supernova. Gave Kidd the finger in 500, (which is what a lot of people latched onto as "wow this guy is cool!") then had that group shot in 504, and the actual team up after that.
Yes, that he was at the auction house in 502 in the first place is significant, but that was certainly enough time to get initial fanmail reactions and expand accordingly.
The next fan poll was a couple months later while Impel Down was happening, and Law snagging 10th place that fast is certainly what expanded his role in the war.
Oda is 3 chapters ahead of schedule, so Law being in the Auction House 2 chapters after his debut means Oda at least expected him to be a big deal. Unless you think he was just going to stay around doing nothing.
Oda himself probably knew that Law's design would be liked by the readers. Also, Law's debut was very mysterious (just a comment to Drake), so it made him an easy character to integrate into more plot later. Another possible factor is that Law's DF, as a doctor, was an interesting concept that Oda wanted to explore more. Some ideas just "click" instantly to the author and get improved easily.
I get the feeling Yamato joining may be solidified more in the event Yamato lands one of the finishing attacks on Kaido before Luffy lands on the final one.
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I think Yamato will probably be paired up with a calamity, him being part of taking down Kaido would probably make it worse, especially since it's almost certain that he wasn't even conceived until some point in Act 2. If you think people not buying Luffy finishing off Kaido is a problem, wait until it's at the hands of a brand-new character.
I find it a bit ironic that Crocodile and Smoker are being considered because, even after being completely antithetical to the Straw Hats' goals, maybe they'll change, and yet Yamato is being considered precisely because he has no chance of changing.
I always felt the Crocodile/Smoker theories were made just for the sake of making theories.
Smoker is the guy who saw Roger's smile at his execution and decided this was the most dangerous thing ever, his respect for Luffy is very clearly begrudging.
Crocodile has a higher capacity for change, but also seems to have a very fierce independent streak, sorta reminiscent of Law (lol I know), so while he may become a very key ally, he won't ever officially join.
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There were some early hints that Law would be important anyway, since he teamed up with Luffy and Kid, and that was way before any popularity poll. He also had his crew focused by having the first ever Mink in the series and Jean Bart recruited.
Sure Oda probably had some ideas for him but given his accounts he wasnt originally a part of Doflamingo's story and it seems pretty clear he took Hawkins' shichibukai spot. Guessing 2 supernova becoming warlords wasnt in the cards.
Him being intertwined with Doflamingo wasn't hard to pull off either since they were both North Blue pirates and had a similar flag. If anything, I think Doflamingo's importance was the one thing that ballooned out of control (which led to Law himself becoming even more important), as Oda did state in an interview that Doflamingo was originally meant to be in Orochi's role as Kaido's primary ally and act similar to one of his executives, meaning he was just supposed to be a supporting antagonist instead of having an arc of his own.
It's not so much difficulty the issue as it is Law wasn't even conceived from the outset. Some Oda characters are well thought out, others he comes back to and adds more facts to over time. Like I'm sure Buggy wasn't always planned to be a part of Roger's crew but knowing Shanks probably was.
And yeah with Doflamingo originally suppose to be showing up as a part of the Beast Pirates the story for that was probably different. Punk Hazard and Dressrosa probably didn't exist as the way we them today.
@Zik:
Like I'm sure Buggy wasn't always planned to be a part of Roger's crew but knowing Shanks probably was.
Both he and Shanks were getting dope slapped by Rayleigh in volume 3, with them being apprentices on the same ship coming up late in volume 2. And Oda made sure that no one refered to the guy we now know to be Rayleigh as captain. So i'd say Buggs was as planned as Shanks was. Or at worst he had like a 1 volume head start.
Both he and Shanks were getting dope slapped by Rayleigh in volume 3, with them being apprentices on the same ship coming up late in volume 2. And Oda made sure that no one refered to the guy we now know to be Rayleigh as captain. So i'd say Buggs was as planned as Shanks was. Or at worst he had like a 1 volume head start.
Indeed. He had it in mind even back when Oda drew Chapter 19 back in 1997.
Kidd and law were the pirates at the auction house where Luffy was going to punch a Celestial Dragon, I doubt Oda did that randomly.
He made up nine characters and thought Well, they won't all be Luffy's "rival", I'mma pick two of them that look coolest.
Kidd had the higher bounty and at the moment seemed to be a more notourius rival/enemy to Luffy, while Law would take the third seat.
But then Oda started writing the rest of the story and saw how well Law was working and kept him. The same way he says "I though half of the worst generation would just disappear but turns out they're still around., he possibly thought to himself he could have them die in some newspaper or at the hands of a villain rigth at the start of the arc to create hype but ended up building huge stories around them, as always.
Also, Law may not have been part of Doflamingo's story at first, since he was only created in Sabaody, but he always going to have some connection to him after that point.
Mainly because of the smiling simbol they use, Doffy had talked about the symbol to Bellamy in Jaya, so when that symbol apppeared again some connection would be made. Not the whole Corazon story necessarily but maybe having been a crew under Doffy's name like Bellamy. I also find it funny it was Law who took the former slave, and victim of Doffy's schemes, Jean Bart onto his crew.
Kidd and law were the pirates at the auction house where Luffy was going to punch a Celestial Dragon, I doubt Oda did that randomly.
He made up nine characters and thought Well, they won't all be Luffy's "rival", I'mma pick two of them that look coolest.Kidd had the higher bounty and at the moment seemed to be a more notourius rival/enemy to Luffy, while Law would take the third seat.
But then Oda started writing the rest of the story and saw how well Law was working and kept him. The same way he says "I though half of the worst generation would just disappear but turns out they're still around., he possibly thought to himself he could have them die in some newspaper or at the hands of a villain rigth at the start of the arc to create hype but ended up building huge stories around them, as always.Also, Law may not have been part of Doflamingo's story at first, since he was only created in Sabaody, but he always going to have some connection to him after that point.
Mainly because of the smiling simbol they use, Doffy had talked about the symbol to Bellamy in Jaya, so when that symbol apppeared again some connection would be made. Not the whole Corazon story necessarily but maybe having been a crew under Doffy's name like Bellamy. I also find it funny it was Law who took the former slave, and victim of Doffy's schemes, Jean Bart onto his crew.
Also makes me wonder if Marineford was the first time Doflamingo had personally seen Law in years.
Indeed. He had it in mind even back when Oda drew Chapter 19 back in 1997.
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So Oda knew that,and made Buggy ruin Roger's hat anyway (when he first fought with Luffy). Heavy.
Did Buggy know that was Roger's hat?
He attacked the hat just because Luffy reacted to it, and when Luffy name droppped Shanks he just went "Shanks? No wonder this hat looked familiar, that guy's a douche"
When we see kid Shanks he already has the hat, we don't know when Roger gave him the hat but I'd guess before Buggy joined the crew.
The more important thing is did he know it was a plot important macguffin. Nah but Buggy made it abundantly clear that he sees no sentimental value in things other people cherish, only gold and jewels are treasures to his mind, a hat is trash even if it was an important hat
