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! Calm Big Mom is scarier than angry Big Mom.
! After rereading Oden's flashback, I think the most likely explanation for Yamato is that he read Oden's journal.
I'm on board with the journal theory. Makes the most sense in what we have seen from Yamato right now.
Sanji saving Momo is so close
And Yamato for nakama
Making sure Luffy is him specifically but then saying he's been waiting 'for a long time' is pretty weird. Nobody knew who Luffy was until 2 years ago. Unless this is some 'the prophecies foretold' stuff.
I'm gonna stick to my nonsensical crackpot theory that Yamato is secretly Hiyori somehow.
I like the idea of Yamato reading Oden's journal… a lot!
I don't really have anything to add about the chapter besides what I already said on the spoiler thread, except I really love the weakling trio dynamics. One chapter ago it was Nami "BM is going after them... oh well, nothing I can do about it" and now it's Usopp "BM is going after Nami... oh well, at least we are safe".
The thing that pissed me off is that Luffy took that headbutt instead of dodging it. Its like he never fought Katakuri. I would understand him not being able to dodge Apoo's attack as it manifests as you hear the sound which seems to be undodgeable and actually it might be Observation Haki proof too in a way but why take on that headbutt? Its ok if he want to go around kicking ass but he should take it seriously and dodge stuff like he did vs Katakuri instead of tanking hits.
Making sure Luffy is him specifically but then saying he's been waiting 'for a long time' is pretty weird. Nobody knew who Luffy was until 2 years ago. Unless this is some 'the prophecies foretold' stuff.
I'm gonna stick to my nonsensical crackpot theory that Yamato is secretly Hiyori somehow.
He may have waited for the ones who would save Wano and change the world, not knowing who would it be until now.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
The thing that pissed me off is that Luffy took that headbutt instead of dodging it. Its like he never fought Katakuri. I would understand him not being able to dodge Apoo's attack as it manifests as you hear the sound which seems to be undodgeable and actually it might be Observation Haki proof too in a way but why take on that headbutt? Its ok if he want to go around kicking ass but he should take it seriously and dodge stuff like he did vs Katakuri instead of tanking hits.
He likely saw it coming but thought, "I can take this ez." Being able to tank hits sends a message (one that Ulti/PayPay clearly got). We know how impulsive he is. CoO will only be used when the plot requires it.
CoO will always be a plot device, no matter how well explained it is at the moment.
Clearly Yamato is a Luffy fanboy like Barto.
The thing that pissed me off is that Luffy took that headbutt instead of dodging it. Its like he never fought Katakuri. I would understand him not being able to dodge Apoo's attack as it manifests as you hear the sound which seems to be undodgeable and actually it might be Observation Haki proof too in a way but why take on that headbutt? Its ok if he want to go around kicking ass but he should take it seriously and dodge stuff like he did vs Katakuri instead of tanking hits.
He used observation haki since he foresee the headbut but decided to take it head on. But lost the battle
He may have waited for the ones who would save Wano and change the world, not knowing who would it be until now.
What throws me off is that he seemed to be looking for Luffy specifically already since he asks if it's him. Doesn't look like something he just decided.
I could understand Don Chinjao or even Sai as successor. But if Ulti really should have CoC, I give up on it being something special
The thing that pissed me off is that Luffy took that headbutt instead of dodging it. Its like he never fought Katakuri. I would understand him not being able to dodge Apoo's attack as it manifests as you hear the sound which seems to be undodgeable and actually it might be Observation Haki proof too in a way but why take on that headbutt? Its ok if he want to go around kicking ass but he should take it seriously and dodge stuff like he did vs Katakuri instead of tanking hits.
Luffy foresaw the headbutt coming. He just decided to take it. It's Luffy, cmon. The headbutt was a pissing contest, it was him standing his ground.
The thing that pissed me off is that Luffy took that headbutt instead of dodging it. Its like he never fought Katakuri. I would understand him not being able to dodge Apoo's attack as it manifests as you hear the sound which seems to be undodgeable and actually it might be Observation Haki proof too in a way but why take on that headbutt? Its ok if he want to go around kicking ass but he should take it seriously and dodge stuff like he did vs Katakuri instead of tanking hits.
Why dodge the attack if Luffy believes he can take it?
He even berates himself for not taking things seriously after the headbutt ends up having some actual considerable effects.
Which I think is actually the first time Luffy has ever done that.(i.e:Berate himself for not taking things seriously)
Did Oda gave Page One a new tail or that is just me?
I could understand Don Chinjao or even Sai as successor. But if Ulti really should have CoC, I give up on it being something special
Why? Kaido's crew is formed in big part of pirates he found impressive and got to work for him. Hawkins, Apoo, Drake, Sasaki, Who's Who, Killer, he tried to get Kid, Luffy and Ashura Doji (not a pirate though). The mantis Gifter fighting Zoro says they also dreamed of being Pirate King once, so more people who were on their own crews before joining the Beast Pirates.
I would guess all the Tobi Roppo and Calamities were once big name pirates, captaining their own crews (maybe Ulti/P1 were something like Caribou/Coribou), so it wouldn't be surprising if some of them had CoC (not that we know for sure what we saw in this chapter was CoC, could be just CoA).
Did Oda gave Page One a new tail or that is just me?
Wow, he did indeed.
A pity DF users can't swim…
Damn, great chapter, Ulti really impressed me here. And I'll bet many glad that Yamato is neither weak or has a super silly design.
Don't know what Perospero's planning, but I'm definitely rooting for him lol
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Why? Kaido's crew is formed in big part of pirates he found impressive and got to work for him. Hawkins, Apoo, Drake, Sasaki, Who's Who, Killer, he tried to get Kid, Luffy and Ashura Doji (not a pirate though). The mantis Gifter fighting Zoro says they also dreamed of being Pirate King once, so more people who were on their own crews before joining the Beast Pirates.
I would guess all the Tobi Roppo and Calamities were once big name pirates, captaining their own crews (maybe Ulti/P1 were something like Caribou/Coribou), so it wouldn't be surprising if some of them had CoC (not that we know for sure what we saw in this chapter was CoC, could be just CoA).
Because Ulti isn't me striking as important or super special character.
Because Ulti isn't me striking as important or super special character.
Because Chinjao is? I mean, he was pretty much Dressrosa's Holdem. I would say she is at least above him as far as relevance goes.
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Because Chinjao is? I mean, he was pretty much Dressrosa's Holdem. I would say she is at least above him as far as relevance goes.
Come on, give the old man some credit. At least he put up a fight. Luffy could have beaten Holdem by throwing himself ass-first at him.
What throws me off is that he seemed to be looking for Luffy specifically already since he asks if it's him. Doesn't look like something he just decided.
He heard of his exploits, but had not seen a picture. Or saw the wanted poster so he needed to confirm.
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Because Chinjao is? I mean, he was pretty much Dressrosa's Holdem. I would say she is at least above him as far as relevance goes.
Don Chinjao was said to be a legend and former rival of Garp.
And BTW I disliked the fact he had CoC but at least he has some story
I can buy Katakuri as well as he is Big Mom's son and strong as hell as FM.
But now Ulti? Sorry if it would be Jack and Queen… ok.
But maybe with this Usopp will get CoC... And that's no joke
I could understand Don Chinjao or even Sai as successor. But if Ulti really should have CoC, I give up on it being something special
Someone already told you it can be just regular haki
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=54781&page=37&p=4058267#post4058267
I'm liking Ulti more and more each chapter. I love her design and love her DF power.
I could understand Don Chinjao or even Sai as successor. But if Ulti really should have CoC, I give up on it being something special
Uh, I still dunno where you're getting she has CoC from.
It is a regular haki clash, just like Burgess vs Sabo's first clash in the Colosseum. The same black lines.
If it was CoC, it would have been pointed out like it always is.
The focus was more on the explosion than the use of "haki" though. "Ulti-Mortar!!!".
I'm liking Ulti more and more each chapter. I love her design and love her DF power.
Uh, I still dunno where you're getting she has CoC from.
It is a regular haki clash, just like Burgess vs Sabo's first clash in the Colosseum. The same black lines.
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Burgess and Ace would make more sense as Ulti as well and so far besides this clash we never got this black lightning outside of CoC using
"Pleasure hall"
Sanji looking for "Ladies"
What's with the sugarcoating? Is this a brothrel or not?
The official target audience is 15 years old. They still have to wait 3 years. Let them have some mystery…
Given how much effort people put into convincing themselves oiran were not prostitutes, I would say the readers need the sugarcoating regardless of their age.
Don Chinjao was said to be a legend and former rival of Garp.
He was one-shotted by Garp, they were never rivals. Roger was Garp's rival, Chinjao was just one of the guys Garp defeated.
And currently Chinjao was already surpassed by Sai (who is by no means a top tier fighter) and was one-shotted (again) by Lao G in his buffed form.
Thing is, despite his huge bounty, Chinjao is no where near the league of the characters who are considered a threat at this point of the manga. He was also not the kind with an unbreakable soul since he completely gave up on his dreams once Garp broke his head (and that's the thing that should be the deciding factor to CoC, not POWER LEVELS).
If we can accept the fact he has CoC, it should be perfectly fine also for people like the TR - who are not just considerably stronger than he is, but are probably all former captains with big dreams and ambition themselves.
Chinjao himself said there are countless CoC users in the New World and only the one standing above them will be the Pirate King. If anything, they should be a much more common sight by this point than they currently are.
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Given how much effort people put into convincing themselves oiran were not prostitutes, I would say the readers need the sugarcoating regardless of their age.
He was one-shotted by Garp, they were never rivals. Roger was Garp's rival, Chinjao was just one of the guys Garp defeated.
And currently Chinjao was already surpassed by Sai (who is by no means a top tier fighter) and was one-shotted (again) by Lao G in his buffed form.Thing is, despite his huge bounty, Chinjao is no where near the league of the characters who are considered a threat at this point of the manga. He was also not the kind with an unbreakable soul since he completely gave up on his dreams once Garp broke his head (and that's the thing that should be the deciding factor to CoC, not POWER LEVELS).
If we can accept the fact he has CoC, it should be perfectly fine also for people like the TR - who are not just considerably stronger than he is, but are probably all former captains with big dreams and ambition themselves.Chinjao himself said there are countless CoC users in the New World and only the one standing above them will be the Pirate King. If anything, they should be a much more common sight by this point than they currently are.
Garp was said to have trained for Don Chinjao. And again… I hated him having it as well... And even more his statement but OK... I thought be would be a one trick pony
CoC was so special that at marienford everyone and even the top tiers were amazed by it.
And now you tell me Ulti? King OK... Katakuri... OK... But Ulti?
Now the door is open for future even more formidable opponents who will face the likes Franky will have CoC
Oh wait... The SHs are special. So who knows if Chopper won't get it.
But well haki and me will never be friends... At least not how Oda turned it post TS
Chinjao earned his right to having conquerors ambition by sending Garp on a mountain smashing training montage to get the right fist swing in to properly disfigure that skull. That little flashback was one of the best parts of dressrosa.
Garp was said to have trained for Don Chinjao. And again… I hated him having it as well... And even more his statement but OK... I thought be would be a one trick pony
CoC was so special that at marienford everyone and even the top tiers were amazed by it.
And now you tell me Ulti? King OK... Katakuri... OK... But Ulti?
Now the door is open for future even more formidable opponents who will face the likes Franky will have CoC
Oh wait... The SHs are special. So who knows if Chopper won't get it.
But well haki and me will never be friends... At least not how Oda turned it post TS
Ulti didn't even use CoC, why are you insisting on this?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
To be honest, I was ready for CoC to be the New World's Devil Fruit. Just like DF was almost a myth outside the Grand Line but everyone in there had it, I was expecting everyone in the New World to have Haki and pretty much every Captain to have CoC (and since I believe all the TR are former big name Captains…).
The New World was supposed to be this impossible task that only the strongest should be able to take on. If on Paradise you needed to be exceptional to thrive, on the New World you would need to be exceptional to survive. If anything, the lack of high level abilities (like CoC) among the NW Captains makes it look underwhelming (fucking Tontattas being able to navigate it without problem kinda betrays how challenging those seas were supposed to be).
The reason Ulti's headbutt is so ridiculously strong is immediately revealed. As a Pacycephalosaurus Zoan, or Heabuttosaurus, that is literally her strongest attack. If Luffy could take it head on, pun intended, I don't think she is ever going to be any more of a threat. Luffy endured her strongest attack, then she got 1-shot. Not too much to think about.
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The reason Ulti's headbutt is so ridiculously strong is immediately revealed. As a Pacycephalosaurus Zoan, or Heabuttosaurus, that is literally her strongest attack. If Luffy could take it head on, pun intended, I don't think she is ever going to be any more of a threat. Luffy endured her strongest attack, then she got 1-shot. Not too much to think about.
She never got the chance to injure Luffy in her Zoan forms though?
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To be honest, I was ready for CoC to be the New World's Devil Fruit. Just like DF was almost a myth outside the Grand Line but everyone in there had it, I was expecting everyone in the New World to have Haki and pretty much every Captain to have CoC (and since I believe all the TR are former big name Captains…).
The New World was supposed to be this impossible task that only the strongest should be able to take on. If on Paradise you needed to be exceptional to thrive, on the New World you would need to be exceptional to survive. If anything, the lack of high level abilities (like CoC) among the NW Captains makes it look underwhelming (fucking Tontattas being able to navigate it without problem kinda betrays how challenging those seas were supposed to be).
Would make it even worse if every captain would have it.
If it is that common. Why the likes as Sengoku and Co are so shocked if it is regular stuff.
But well. I won't derail this thread anymore and maybe it wasn't CoC and Oda changes lightning coloring whenever he wants. So let it be.
Ever since post TS I dislike haki after all with stuff as future sight and PIS like sensing people as Caribou but not on other occasions.
I was a friend of the "basic" version of simple, punch logias, read movements and the ultra rare CoC
But now… Well. Nope
Can someone explain how Luffy is grabbing Ulti from behind when he jumps into her from the front?
Can someone explain how Luffy is grabbing Ulti from behind when he jumps into her from the front?
He jumps past her, grabs her on his way and then throws her.
But, to be honest, the choreography of this fight was… a choice. For it to make sense, we need to consider Luffy made a lot of twisting and some movements in the air that he shouldn't be able to do.
Like, regarding their positions it starts like this: P1... Ulti... Luffy.
Then Luffy jumps past Ulti, grab her by her horns and throws her in front of him. That means she should land between P1 and Luffy. But on the next page we see Luffy is between them, like if he twisted his body 180º while he was doing the throw. Also we can see he is in the ground already on the panel when he is throwing her, but on the following panel (the one he is weirdly between the two enemies) he is mid-air.
Then P1 tries to bite him, Luffy grabs something on the ceiling to pull himself away from P1's attack and instead of attacking P1 from above he somehow uses soru to appear under P1 and attack him. Not just very weird choice of movement (unless he knew P1 was going to dodge his attack from his initial position), but also kinda impossible since Luffy would need to know Geppou to be able to soru mid-air (or he can now bounce in the air in his base form like in G4?).
It was clunky.
FUTURE VISION EDIT:
@oikgerd:
Oda is updating his manga based on real-life discovery. Check out Spinosaurus 2020, a swimming dino.
It was already cool enough to see him changing to a more accurate depiction, but finding out it is a recent discovery from like 2 months ago just makes it a lot better.
He jumps over her, reaches back, grabs her and flips her.
Did Oda gave Page One a new tail or that is just me?
Oda is updating his manga based on real-life discovery. Check out Spinosaurus 2020, a swimming dino.
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(fucking Tontattas being able to navigate it without problem kinda betrays how challenging those seas were supposed to be).
Barto got into the new world asking for sailing instruction over the phone (and receiving housekeeping tips instead).
Wash your hands.
Yeah, but that was a joke, it was absurd on purpose.
Oda is updating his manga based on real-life discovery. Check out Spinosaurus 2020, a swimming dino.
I am aware of that. That's why I asked.
Now that we know Ulti's fighting style I'm not so confident that Nami will fight her after all. Like, I could see them butting heads when Nami's being comedically headstrong, but otherwise their fighting styles seem like a poor match. Perhaps Nami will use her kunoichi training and fight the Oniwabanshu. I have a feeling that Ulti and Pay-Pay will run into Usopp at some point, though wouldn't anticipate him beating both of them by himself (but I am certainly open to it)
The reason Ulti's headbutt is so ridiculously strong is immediately revealed. As a Pacycephalosaurus Zoan, or Heabuttosaurus, that is literally her strongest attack. If Luffy could take it head on, pun intended, I don't think she is ever going to be any more of a threat. Luffy endured her strongest attack, then she got 1-shot. Not too much to think about.
That's not her strongest attack since it was used in human form.
In fact, she was ready to use an even stronger one in dinosaur form, but was interrupted.
