I have two general thoughts on this. Man is that candy dudes way of murdering people super gruesome.
And also Pell was such an awesome eagle dude when he internally monologued himself into the heavens with that bomb.
Chapter 877: I'm Not That Sweet
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How about we establish a logical razor. We'll even name it Oda's razor:
"Unless a character is confirmed to be alive, do not assume such is the case". Because these fucking debates about people not dying is completely asinine, timeconsuming trash. The fact that we're arguing about whether or not Monet or Vergo are alive 200 chapters after we last saw them is nuts. Of course it won't seem like characters die if you just assume they are alive until you see them decapitated. I understand the concern. The Pell thing was dumb. He should have died. And there are other moments like that old guy in Sky Island and the Franky Family. But it's a long ass time ago.
And it's hardly like One Piece is alone in this regard. Even Berserk has hardly any major, named characters die outside of flashbacks. And yes, Golden Age is a flashback.
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Considering I have mocked the BM inefficiency before, I wanted to say that chapter really sells them as a dangerous group.
Candyman attack on Chopper reminded me of Mr3 and his art.
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So Perospero bounty is 700mln.
Guys a beast.
My theory on him being 4th Sweet Commander might end up as true in the end.
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How about we establish a logical razor. We'll even name it Oda's razor:
"Unless a character is confirmed to be alive, do not assume such is the case". Because these fucking debates about people not dying is completely asinine, timeconsuming trash. The fact that we're arguing about whether or not Monet or Vergo are alive 200 chapters after we last saw them is nuts. Of course it won't seem like characters die if you just assume they are alive until you see them decapitated. I understand the concern. The Pell thing was dumb. He should have died. And there are other moments like that old guy in Sky Island and the Franky Family. But it's a long ass time ago.
And it's hardly like One Piece is alone in this regard. Even Berserk has hardly any major, named characters die outside of flashbacks. And yes, Golden Age is a flashback.
It would make sense if people were usually dead after they die. But it's not the case. "Character is alive until narrator says otherwise" makes more sense. And about "asinine, timeconsuming trash", it's friggin' rubber pirate manga. You won't do much productive stuff here, it's all for fun. Literally all topics of discussion are equally dumb, yet if people want to talk about who's dead, who's next nakama, how will Luffy beat big bad etc., there's no reason why they shouldn't.
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I have two general thoughts on this. Man is that candy dudes way of murdering people super gruesome.
And also Pell was such an awesome eagle dude when he internally monologued himself into the heavens with that bomb.
Kind of reminds me of the House of Wax and Killer Clowns From Outer Space.
So that special paramecia. Seeing Katakuri get pieces of him blasted away along with Luffy's arm getting trapped in his Mochi arm still leaves me with all kinds of questions. Anyone got any insights on it with this new chapter?
Also why is it so awesome just seeing Jimbei on the ship hauling ropes and talking about getting the Coup De-what ever ready?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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As much as I advocate that no one dies in OP and think anyone who believes in deaths is a fool, I have something to say that goes against that.
I say there are two reasons for a character to die in OP: either because it will greatly impact the world and shake the status quo or because it is a SH-related flashback character whose death will greatly impact their development.
Whitebeard was the first case (maybe Roger should be included too? I don't know, flashbacks are a no man's land).
We like to bundle WB and Ace as if they are the same thing but, let's face it, they aren't. Ace's death didn't change the world, didn't impact the order of things. The reason he died is because he was Luffy's related character to die. Ace, not Sabo, the flashback character who apparently died but didn't.
That may be important. Ace showed us that Oda may be willing to change his rules a bit and make the "SH-related character to die" not necessarily be in a flashback.
Maybe it was just with Luffy because, well, he is the MC and there is much more impact killing his brother in present time after we got to know him and got attached to him instead of doing it in a flashback with us knowing he was dead from the start.
But it does open a precedent, if god forbids god damn better forbid it Oda actually plans to make Carrot a SH, he could have decided to apply the same logic he used with Ace to Pedro and make her related character die in present time.tl;dr: I concede there is a chance Pedro may actually die if Oda is planning to turn Carrot into a SH (I don't think he is though, she's around for so long now and is still as interesting as a background character - without the excuse of being a background character).
I think that Pedro really died. Same as Marines in Punk Hazard when Smiley pieces exploded on the ship.
And I can assure you I am no fool.
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It would make sense if people were usually dead after they die. But it's not the case. "Character is alive until narrator says otherwise" makes more sense. And about "asinine, timeconsuming trash", it's friggin' rubber pirate manga. You won't do much productive stuff here, it's all for fun. Literally all topics of discussion are equally dumb, yet if people want to talk about who's dead, who's next nakama, how will Luffy beat big bad etc., there's no reason why they shouldn't.
Fair enough. But it's still tedious. It's akin to debate on the possibility of Viola becoming the next Strawhat even when Jinbe is officially in the crew.
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Kind of reminds me of the House of Wax and Killer Clowns From Outer Space.
So that special paramecia. Seeing Katakuri get pieces of him blasted away along with Luffy's arm getting trapped in his Mochi arm still leaves me with all kinds of questions. Anyone got any insights on it with this new chapter?
Also why is it so awesome just seeing Jimbei on the ship hauling ropes and talking about getting the Coup De-what ever ready?
Tip of the hat to you sir for the mention of Killer Clowns from Outer Space, I might watch it this long weekend just because.
It is pretty cool seeing Jimbe basically get to work immediately with no honeymoon phase getting use to the ship. I wonder could the strawhats really go from no new crew members to two new crew members that fast. I assume we won't get the definitive answer on Carrot until at least after Wano. Have they ever gotten two crewmates in back to back arcs, trying to remember the early days.
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Tip of the hat to you sir for the mention of Killer Clowns from Outer Space, I might watch it this long weekend just because.
It is pretty cool seeing Jimbe basically get to work immediately with no honeymoon phase getting use to the ship. I wonder could the strawhats really go from no new crew members to two new crew members that fast. I assume we won't get the definitive answer on Carrot until at least after Wano. Have they ever gotten two crewmates in back to back arcs, trying to remember the early days.
Franky to Brook. People didn't like that either I remember. It was too soon for Brook because Franky had not had enough time to settle in or some such, lol/
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Hold up a sec, since Jinbei is already on the deck of the Sunny, is he an official member or does the door still count as an obstacle? :ninja:
Also, I like how he went "Oooh." to Luffy's Red Hawk almost like he's never seen it. Probably because the first time he used it was against Hody in the middle in ocea… oooooooh.
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I'll be interested to see how Luffy in particular reacts to Pedro's sacrifice. There's been many sacrifice scenes in OP, but Luffy hasn't been present for all of them. Aside from Ace, I think Bon-chan was the last time he actually witnessed someone "die" for his sake.
He gave a great speech toward Hody back on FI, saying those 2 yrs of training gave him the strength to protect everyone important to him. And since this is Luffy were talking about, I assume that he meant EVERYONE and not JUST his own crew. And so this moment kinda challenges that statement, if Pedro actually did die then in a way Luffy failed and wasn't strong enough just yet. Maybe it'll force Luffy to rethink some things…
Or maybe I'm just over thinking all this and Luffy will just keep going like normal, either way rip Pedro.
~ They got the moves like Jagger ~
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So that special paramecia. Seeing Katakuri get pieces of him blasted away along with Luffy's arm getting trapped in his Mochi arm still leaves me with all kinds of questions. Anyone got any insights on it with this new chapter?
I believe Enel initially calling Gattling hit-location could apply here, similar to "Aokiji stabbed by Whitebeard with Haki!"
Observation + ability to turn parts of your body into the stuff you create.
Because, if I recall correctly, Luffy´s Hawk attacks are G2+Armament.
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Actually reminds me of something I noticed a few chapters ago. Luffy used Hawk Gattling a few chapters ago with it being called "Jet Gattling" while clearly showing Armament Haki. Here it's "Hawk Gattling" once again. And there was one point in Punk Hazard with it being called "Jet Gattling"
Wonder if this will be corrected in the volumes, or there is something I'm missing.
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As much as I advocate that no one dies in OP and think anyone who believes in deaths is a fool, I have something to say that goes against that.
That may be important. Ace showed us that Oda may be willing to change his rules a bit and make the "SH-related character to die" not necessarily be in a flashback.
Maybe it was just with Luffy because, well, he is the MC and there is much more impact killing his brother in present time after we got to know him and got attached to him instead of doing it in a flashback with us knowing he was dead from the start.
But it does open a precedent, if god forbids god damn better forbid it Oda actually plans to make Carrot a SH, he could have decided to apply the same logic he used with Ace to Pedro and make her related character die in present time.I don't really see a connection between Carrot and Pedro except being friends. Pedro has a much bigger connection to Pekoms who is generally a much more prominent unique character than Carrot has ever been
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Igaram, Dorry, Pell and Pagaya all happened before FT even began. Don't confuse imitation with an original.
You'd think Oda would learn, especially after fairy tail drove this troupe to the ground. xD
These types of emotional manipulations are getting on my nerves. Imagine in GoT Marjorie and the other ppl climbing out of the bell unscathed after the big bang.
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Honestly I've long accepted fake out deaths are simply a thing Oda does and just roll with it, so I can't say Pedro "dying" bothers me much.
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This chapter is like, all the Oda's cliches in writing condensed in one.
- Enemies surprised because Straw Hats appears to be alive even when the odds where all against them.
- Unnecesary "this will kill you in some more minutes and not right now".
- Enemies actually not doing their best instantly and waiting for necessary plots.
- Token sacrifice of the arc because "Straw Hats are the chosen one".
Pretty meh chapter for me, and I like Pedro, but I had seen this so many times in this manga that is a little bit dull now.
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These death scenes are one of the few actual bigger flaws of One Piece. Pedro's death is supposed to have emotional impact, right? So was Law's death at Dressrosa, right? So was Law's death at Dressrosa, right? The problem is after all these fake out deaths it just doesn't work any more. Are we really supposed to believe Pedro is dead? I mean, really, really dead? It just doesn't work because no, I don't have any suspension of disbelief for this kind of stuff right here. Just no.
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Great chapter thoughts, best one since the chase began.
I liked how perospero intervened anyways and trapped them.
His power is a lot more sadistic than simply touching someone and them turning instantly into candy.
Katakuri and luffy starting to fight is something I'm really looking forward to.
When luffy used hawk gatling and katakurii gott slightly hit im wondering iff he didnt just do the "Aokiji makes a space for WB's spear" thing and was dodging but at rapid speeds, he does have foresight after all.
Wasn't expecting that out of pedro but they were totally trapped and he had a clock on his life anyway The mention of the dawn again and his words to pedro, hype up bith wano and the VC mythos.
Carrot being given her Space on the final page and the interraction before has me going "???"
I understand all the reasons why she wasnt a clear candidate but her being there has me wondering…
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He gave a great speech toward Hody back on FI, saying those 2 yrs of training gave him the strength to protect everyone important to him. And since this is Luffy were talking about, I assume that he meant EVERYONE and not JUST his own crew. And so this moment kinda challenges that statement, if Pedro actually did die then in a way Luffy failed and wasn't strong enough just yet. Maybe it'll force Luffy to rethink some things…
If Oda hasn't forget about that promise that would be an interesting thing to see Luffy handle.
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Big rant incoming sorry in advance.
! I think this chapter was amazing. I even cried at the end. Well it's probably due to the super emotional soundtrack I was coincidentally listening while reading the chapter. Still for me One Piece is that funny/crazy super elaborated yet kind of childish universe where everything happens for my own entertaining.
I have so much fun talking about it with my friends irl. We naturally say what we found funny, epic, cute and so on. And we love creating crazy theories.
! To go online and continue this experience, only to find an army of disappointed fans that came just to say what they disliked is getting boring. This sophisticated yet simple shonen is over analyzed rather than casually enjoyed. And the only time the entire forum lets their inner child wake up are the chapters that show us what's happening in the rest of the world between two arcs.
Recently some people have been saying that the strawhats need to get severely injured to show how dangerous Big Mom is. Those guys are so much into analyzing rather than enjoying that they stopped rooting for Luffy and want him to get injured. WTF ?
! I will keep browsing question, theories, predictions and nakama threads cause they do bring the fun I am expecting from a fan community.
But I am done with the chapter thread.
! PS: to be completely honest with you my brain is still struggling to understand why so many people give in to reading spoilers for a story that teaches you to find out things by yourself
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If Oda had the balls he would kill Pedro for good. But it's almost sad how everybody just (rightly) assumes he'll be another Pell and show back up eventually.
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Hold up a sec, since Jinbei is already on the deck of the Sunny, is he an official member or does the door still count as an obstacle? :ninja:
.The fact that he doesn’t help Nami carrying those heavy barrels is a proof, don’t you think ?
As some have said, the emergency feeling is quite well done during the chapter. And once again they are saved by a big explosion.
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Not sure how i feel about Pedro. In the first half we had Pell survive a bomb that can level a big ass city. And now we have Pedro sacrificing himself with a clearly much smaller explosion and we are supposed to believe he died. If there wasnt the whole Pell thing in the first half this would have been a shocking chapter but it just feels like a joke now because how Pell survived the bomb and if Pedro dies, it just shows him as a weak character.
Also i found it kinda stupid that Chopper were not able to change forms. Was it because the candy was too hard? Why not go back into his small brain point form which would free him and then try going into monster or horn point to break the candy shell. Also how would candifying Brooke do anything ?He doesnt breath? and doesnt need to eat or drink considering he was drifting on a boat for 50 years.
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Big rant incoming sorry in advance.
! I think this chapter was amazing. I even cried at the end. Well it's probably due to the super emotional soundtrack I was coincidentally listening while reading the chapter. Still for me One Piece is that funny/crazy super elaborated yet kind of childish universe where everything happens for my own entertaining.
I have so much fun talking about it with my friends irl. We naturally say what we found funny, epic, cute and so on. And we love creating crazy theories.
! To go online and continue this experience, only to find an army of disappointed fans that came just to say what they disliked is getting boring. This sophisticated yet simple shonen is over analyzed rather than casually enjoyed. And the only time the entire forum lets their inner child wake up are the chapters that show us what's happening in the rest of the world between two arcs.
Recently some people have been saying that the strawhats need to get severely injured to show how dangerous Big Mom is. Those guys are so much into analyzing rather than enjoying that they stopped rooting for Luffy and want him to get injured. WTF ?
! I will keep browsing question, theories, predictions and nakama threads cause they do bring the fun I am expecting from a fan community.
But I am done with the chapter thread.
! PS: to be completely honest with you my brain is still struggling to understand why so many people give in to reading spoilers for a story that teaches you to find out things by yourselfI agree completely with the "just enjoy it" sentiment. We already have plenty to show how dangerous Big Mom is, too, so she's fine in today regard.
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Also i found it kinda stupid that Chopper were not able to change forms. Was it because the candy was too hard? Why not go back into his small brain point form which would free him and then try going into monster or horn point to break the candy shell. Also how would candifying Brooke do anything ?He doesnt breath? and doesnt need to eat or drink considering he was drifting on a boat for 50 years.
Not only is the candy everywhere on Chopper's body, but it's really sticky. So Chopper would have zero freedom of movement, even if he's trying to get smaller. And I expect Brook to be fine and make a joke about how he was suffocating but he doesn't breathe, yohohohoho!
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Btw, I don't know if anyone noticed but Don Sai is the new Robb Stark. Uholicia's father will now kill Sai and his wifey during the Chinese red wedding.
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Big rant incoming sorry in advance.
! I think this chapter was amazing. I even cried at the end. Well it's probably due to the super emotional soundtrack I was coincidentally listening while reading the chapter. Still for me One Piece is that funny/crazy super elaborated yet kind of childish universe where everything happens for my own entertaining.
I have so much fun talking about it with my friends irl. We naturally say what we found funny, epic, cute and so on. And we love creating crazy theories.
! To go online and continue this experience, only to find an army of disappointed fans that came just to say what they disliked is getting boring. This sophisticated yet simple shonen is over analyzed rather than casually enjoyed. And the only time the entire forum lets their inner child wake up are the chapters that show us what's happening in the rest of the world between two arcs.
Recently some people have been saying that the strawhats need to get severely injured to show how dangerous Big Mom is. Those guys are so much into analyzing rather than enjoying that they stopped rooting for Luffy and want him to get injured. WTF ?
! I will keep browsing question, theories, predictions and nakama threads cause they do bring the fun I am expecting from a fan community.
But I am done with the chapter thread.
! PS: to be completely honest with you my brain is still struggling to understand why so many people give in to reading spoilers for a story that teaches you to find out things by yourselfThere aren't enough slow-clap supercuts in the world for this post.
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Does candy melt fast in fire?
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Btw, I don't know if anyone noticed but Don Sai is the new Robb Stark. Uholicia's father will now kill Sai and his wifey during the Chinese red wedding.
The whatever name sends their regards.
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Can't wait to see how this ends.
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Does candy melt fast in fire?
Perospero's candy staircase to the wedding melted after a while.
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Can't wait for Moscato to be alive.
What about cream guy?
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Sanji burned the candy off the Vins
What about cream guy?
Good point!
I forgot he even "died" in the first place lol.
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Big rant incoming sorry in advance.
! I think this chapter was amazing. I even cried at the end. Well it's probably due to the super emotional soundtrack I was coincidentally listening while reading the chapter. Still for me One Piece is that funny/crazy super elaborated yet kind of childish universe where everything happens for my own entertaining.
I have so much fun talking about it with my friends irl. We naturally say what we found funny, epic, cute and so on. And we love creating crazy theories.
! To go online and continue this experience, only to find an army of disappointed fans that came just to say what they disliked is getting boring. This sophisticated yet simple shonen is over analyzed rather than casually enjoyed. And the only time the entire forum lets their inner child wake up are the chapters that show us what's happening in the rest of the world between two arcs.
Recently some people have been saying that the strawhats need to get severely injured to show how dangerous Big Mom is. Those guys are so much into analyzing rather than enjoying that they stopped rooting for Luffy and want him to get injured. WTF ?
! I will keep browsing question, theories, predictions and nakama threads cause they do bring the fun I am expecting from a fan community.
But I am done with the chapter thread.
! PS: to be completely honest with you my brain is still struggling to understand why so many people give in to reading spoilers for a story that teaches you to find out things by yourselfIrl discussion tends to be the most fun way to enjoy a show or product so it's pretty normal. It's about about having fun with your friends and knowing if he noticed that cool thing and if you hate something it's probably not what you want to talk about. Hell even flaws can get hilarious if you're talking about it just for the fun of it.
The forums tends to be more about actually analysing the show or product. In a discussion if you're are at a point you disagree strongly you just move to something else since casual discussion can't be bothered to be stuck while with the net you can keep it on for days. Same with minor details. In a casual discussion they elude your mind but in a chair at home you can take your time to focus on them or even search for them.
IRL and forums are 2 different experience. One is the much fun, the other is the more analytical.
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Also i found it kinda stupid that Chopper were not able to change forms. Was it because the candy was too hard? Why not go back into his small brain point form which would free him and then try going into monster or horn point to break the candy shell. Also how would candifying Brooke do anything ?He doesnt breath? and doesnt need to eat or drink considering he was drifting on a boat for 50 years.
The candy might be stricking solidely to his fur. brook would still be a statue if you're right.
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Good point!
I forgot he even "died" in the first place lol.
Everyone will be alive.
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Big rant incoming sorry in advance.
! I think this chapter was amazing. I even cried at the end. Well it's probably due to the super emotional soundtrack I was coincidentally listening while reading the chapter. Still for me One Piece is that funny/crazy super elaborated yet kind of childish universe where everything happens for my own entertaining.
I have so much fun talking about it with my friends irl. We naturally say what we found funny, epic, cute and so on. And we love creating crazy theories.
! To go online and continue this experience, only to find an army of disappointed fans that came just to say what they disliked is getting boring. This sophisticated yet simple shonen is over analyzed rather than casually enjoyed. And the only time the entire forum lets their inner child wake up are the chapters that show us what's happening in the rest of the world between two arcs.
Recently some people have been saying that the strawhats need to get severely injured to show how dangerous Big Mom is. Those guys are so much into analyzing rather than enjoying that they stopped rooting for Luffy and want him to get injured. WTF ?
! I will keep browsing question, theories, predictions and nakama threads cause they do bring the fun I am expecting from a fan community.
But I am done with the chapter thread.
! PS: to be completely honest with you my brain is still struggling to understand why so many people give in to reading spoilers for a story that teaches you to find out things by yourself! I get that feeling. But that's what happens when a bunch of geeks get together instead of casual friends. Analysis comes over having a briefer and perhaps funnier discussion. I don't mind either types, but I like analyzing because I feel the most gratification when appreciating how well done something is beyond a superficial "that's nice" factor. Not to bash that as if I never do that myself like a naive kid sometimes lol, but that is my preference. I never look for things to dislike, I only point them out if I think I see them while trying to enjoy myself.
! One Piece is indeed a simple story in how its told, but has layers of creativity underneath. And I just really respect that, which is where certain standards I have come from. It is what inspired me to hope to become a storyteller one day. I could turn my brain off, sure. But then that only feels like I'm lying to myself and not giving proper regard for stories I know I admire profoundly. When I write critiques, I not only hope to be right or correctly disproven. I want to learn more about myself and what exactly I find appealing compared to other people. Almost like a science. If I can do that, I feel as though I am properly appreciating the stories I am engaged in and grasp how to make good stories I can have the utmost pride in when the time comes. And if I can appeal to everybody's inner kid while doing that, it would be the most rewarding sense of accomplishment that I could ever dream of.
! Avoiding the negativity of chapter threads can definitely help make life feel easier, and you should do that if you need to. But criticism is what I personally thrive on to learn. And to simply enjoy interpreting art. Only focusing on praise just isn't that fun to me, as weird as that sounds. Art is about making you feel, and if you enjoy feeling certain things from art for whatever reason, you are entitled to that even if others disagree. But for me, the effort/layering of even simple action-adventure stories like this made by authors as imaginitive as Oda plays into that sense of satisfaction.
! Also, people like spoilers because they're impatient and it's a good way to look forward to seeing how well something is done by already knowing the gist of the bigger picture. But mostly impatience lol.
! Of course, if you're talking about nonsense like why the Big Mom Pirates aren't more capable or why Chopper and Brook lost to higher-ups of a Yonko crew, that's dumb and I would never blame you for being turned off by that. Chapter threads can be plagued with dumb complaints like that.I didn't care for Pedro at all though. I felt more bad for Carrot. The same way I felt more bad for Luffy instead of Ace at Marineford. And that feels hollow for me when these character sacrifices are supposed to be important twists.
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Amazing chapter was not expecting it to be that action packed at all
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Not significantly in any way. I just think the panel of her crying looked a bit sadder than I expected. Probably because crying is the most unique thing her character has done in this arc besides drawing pretty pictures lol. Outside of this chapter, she is a 24/7 genki girl.
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Not significantly in any way. I just think the panel of her crying looked a bit sadder than I expected. Probably because crying is the most unique thing her character has done in this arc besides drawing pretty pictures lol. Outside of this chapter, she is a 24/7 genji girl.
Mercy ?
