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    Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes

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    • zeltrax225
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      For what it is worth, I'm not going to discuss about the release schedule, unless it is a constructive post. I obviously came off too strong and there's no excuse for souring the mood here. But I have no regrets about the post and still stand by the fact that Togashi is genuinely suffering and empathy should be prioritized over anything else.

      @.access timeco. I recommend giving it a re-read because that actually helps me a lot and it was worth it. Of course not saying anyone have the time to and that its absurd to do it every time he comes back and for something that is not ending any time soon. But still, I stand by re-reading is a great way to go about it because it actually starts to get immersive once you get the momentum going. My predictions for the next batch of chapters will be mostly Spiders and them finally playing a bigger role in the succession war. There is going to be some movement on Tserriednich end but I doubt he'll meet Kuraprika before the end of this batch. I'm seeing more of a Spider centric batch of chapters and can also see princes dying in succession.

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          What the...

          ... look at the size of...

          ... that's so on-brand.

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            Chapter is out.
            It was a nice chapter but... I really gotta re-read this arc, I remember the broad strokes but not the details.

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              Sadly, the sheer size of the cheat sheet required to remember who's who in the current arc makes me want to quit.

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                Read a chapter on TCB today, and it took me a third before I realized it's the last one before the break, lmao.

                Originally Posted by Outerspec

                Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                  The summary got so big I took zeltrax advice and just reread the whole arc.

                  Things are surprisingly easy to follow when you read in bulk, it seems what makes the arc so complicated is really just having to try to recall everything from zero after an year or so.

                  The last five-or-so chapters were very boring, though. I think it took me two days to power through them.

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                    @Razh same, except I only understood after reading the hiatus announcement at the end of the chapter. And even then, for a short while I was baffled that one single chapter would be all we get this batch before it dawned on me. ^^;

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                      lol feels like almost everyone has their own HxH wikia or guide. I made one with little notes, but I still reread.

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                        @Razh said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                        Read a chapter on TCB today, and it took me a third before I realized it's the last one before the break, lmao.

                        Oh, it was?
                        I really though they just were extra fast this week since it's returning from hiatus...

                        I really need a re-read of this arc

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                          I plan to rered from volume 33-37 (skipping the Hisoka fight) on the weekend before diving in the new chapter. But I already saw (most of spoiler pics).

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                            Chapter's out for real. Just reading the Mafia family parts of the wiki/cheatsheets/whatever is enough to follow for now.

                            https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/4706/hunter-x-hunter-chapter-391

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                              @TLC said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                              I would be happy if I were wrong.

                              LMAO you little liar. Nothing would upset you more than actually being satisfied with anything.

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                                  Gang Wars
                                  https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1001418

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                                    Read the new chapter.

                                    I have no idea what is going on or who these people are.

                                    I don't really want to reread the last 40 chapters to refresh myself either.

                                    This boat ride arc started in what, 2014?

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                                      @Robby Probably right on the date, and the three gang members are the ones of the chapter 390.

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                                        I, for one, love that Togashi doesn't give a flying f*** about fan expectations about HxH's return and just straight up continues from 390 like it hasn't been 4 whole years.

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                                          Reminder that there is a Fake Dark Continent and a Real Dark Continent.

                                          Man, remember how Matsui jabbed at both HxH and Toriko having similar arcs?

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                                            Well what else would he do?

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                                              I'm surprised that anyone who is not an avid fan would even bother keeping up with this series after a 4 year hiatus but to each their own.

                                              I will admit that on a reread of this Succession arc the story is not nearly as convoluted as it seemed reading it originally with all of the small starts and stops.

                                              This chapter was good. The fight was fun and Hinrigh being able to handle the goons easily was a nice showing for him. I hope he doesn't die soon because he has my favorite new ability. The mafia/spider plot line hasn't moved as far as the prince plot line but it seems like its getting ready to get past the setup phase

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                                                Unpopular opinion but I really like this chapter. I can understand the overall critisism that this arc is bloated with a crap ton of characters on the main plotthread which is the 'Game of Thrones on the Love Boat'. And then added to that we have the subplot with the spiders and Hisoka, to which now also mafia got mixed into. Yes, the arc could have definitely less characters and focus more on the protagonists perspective (in this case Kurapika) with the battle for the throne with the other princes being reduced to subplot. That's a fair point of critique and I'm not even going to deny it.

                                                The thing however is that Togashi decided that he wants to have this arc bloated with characters and more plotthreads. That alone is not bad by itself. It's bad if it's just bloated without accomplishing anything. And so far I'm not really seeing it. In this chapter we've just seen the characters from the previous chapter (I know, that one was many years ago) continue where they left. Are they the best characters Togashi ever created? No, they are not. But they written decent enough to feel like real characters that act like character in these circumstances would do. And I liked to those different minor characters go at each other. If an arc is bloated then it is nice to see that minor characters are not just there to cheer the main cast on or be fodder to them but actually come across like real people that would try to make best of the situation they are put into. Will I rememer them like I remember Hisoka, Meruem or Pariston? Most likely not. But at least they are doing something in their respective plotthread. Which is somethin we cannot say for many minor characters in Wano for example. Like what was Ohmasa's point for being there besides Hyogoro constantly shouting "Ohmasa!". Why did we need four Yakuza bosses when not a single one of them accomplished anything?

                                                I know that I'm the minority with this. Not just in HxH but generally. I just really like it when a story makes background characters more than just background noise. Even though this can be a detriment to moving the main story forward, especially in a series that takes so many long breaks. But hot damn, do I like to see it when it happens. I'm just enjoying the ride.

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                                                  @Goukan on the flip side, that's who his audience is. The people who are still invested in HXH have no interest in the fanfare, recap, special chapter, unnecessary distraction or to do anything else besides continuing the plot. Basically, they know what they are getting and what they want and Togashi knows that as well. Conversely, if he tries to pull any thing special such as maybe introducing a new fight out of nowhere or a new plot point or jumping the camera elsewhere just because, fans will hate it. Not that it'll ever happen.

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                                                    What I think about the succession arc: it benefits a lot from a re-read. I think the majority of the complaints regarding it being bloated and how this or that felt unnecessary comes from people who are reading it weekly and have never bothered to really read the arc as a whole. So they forgot about this and that and easily grab the lowest hanging fruit which is usually one-liner thoughts or beaten-to-death narrative. I do agree that a handful of the chapters do come off as if they belong to a novel and you can be turned off if you didn't come here for a novel and just want a mindless scroll. Which is weird if you want a mindless scroll or a read-through that doesn't require your mental focus, because then I have no idea why you are reading HxH in the first place or how you lasted this long.

                                                    Togashi is and has always been a master at characterization and no one else in shounen history (arguably) has done a better job at handling side characters like he does. I won't say this is Naoki Urasawa level because it clearly isn't and does not attempt to do so but how he writes the side characters just flows so seamlessly and naturally without coming off as trying too hard. I can go on and on about how characters in One Piece and HxH and FMA share the traits of a master, that their characterization is so insanely well done that there are no traces of the author's own intentions. And with Togashi, because of how large the side cast is, it shines even more so because of how organic and well-developed/thought-out the minor characters are. I love One Piece, but you will never get this level of depth in arc-focused characters: see Samurais/WCI characters. And how this is done isn't through elaborated backstory or exposition but rather how the character acts and thinks that allows for your mind to instantly classify him as someone else, someone that differentiates from the rest.
                                                    Okay, too long, too many words. I sound like a Togashi stan or whatever they call it but if you read the Chimera Ant arc and didn't think to yourself that Togashi is someone that knows life and has deep understanding of the human psyche, something that you will find increasingly rare in today's authors, then HxH will never be your cup of tea.

                                                    But I do get the need to complain or want to stay involved, hoping to get a gist of the events because of the "I've read this before" mentality while making judgments without the big picture, and it obviously is easier to do so over re-reading the entire arc that you know for sure won't see the conclusion in the next 4 years too. I was like that before so yeah, I get it, it's whatever. It's still interesting to see.

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                                                      Glad this craft is back on track for another batch of chapters. Everyone seems to be gathered again, the fans that keep reading it because they like it and even the others... and also those who still keep calling Togashi a Dragon Quest wanker.

                                                      As usual, just like in every comeback, we get comments about people not remembering about characters on every platform.

                                                      Anyway, I can't wait to see a certain forest appear in a few chapters.

                                                      @zeltrax225 said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                                                      Okay, too long, too many words. I sound like a Togashi stan or whatever they call it but if you read the Chimera Ant arc and didn't think to yourself that Togashi is someone that knows life and has deep understanding of the human psyche, something that you will find increasingly rare in today's authors, then HxH will never be your cup of tea.

                                                      Well, except for the "characters that enjoy killing" which is something that barely ever happens if not at all in real life. I'll say that your point is one of the reasons why HxH has so many fans. I don't know if I'd like this manga at all if it was a mere rip-off from every single shonen manga. Meaning, if it had stopped before the chimera ant arc. But that may be just my opinion, so people should take what I say with a grain of salt, as usual.

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                                                        So as someone who hasn't been keeping up, this boat adventure feels a bit like greed island. A random mostly self-contained side quest right after baiting you with something really interesting you won't see for years.

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                                                          I really wish I could appreciate HxH the same way a lot of other people seem too. Like, I get why, and there are certain things about it I respect, but I still just can't get past how vicious and mean-spirited I perceive it to be. But that's just my hang up.

                                                          I don't really read the chapters any more, but I try to stay loosely informed on the general plot developments since, hey, I made it up to this arc at least.

                                                          [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
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                                                            Yeah, Hinrigh's ability didn't seem like much the last chapter, but seeing it utilized more this chapter... damn. Disregarding my love for cats, the pure usefulness of the ability is crazy. As with many Nen abilities, though, it's effectiveness reduces drastically once the enemy becomes aware of it. In that sense I wish Hin didn't reveal his hand so soon. No matter how awesome the birdz display was. Feel like he's flaunting his powers way too openly where everyone can see. I realize it's his plan to lure out Morena's gang out, but still. Maybe he's showing just the most basic form of his ability.
                                                            Also kinda disappointing he got caught on the wrong foot by a rookie, but then maybe it's deliberate and Togashi wants to show how, despite overwhelming those guys, he's still lacking and his overconfidence may cause his demise.

                                                            Like I said, excited about the ensuing chaos. Just hope we get a bigger batch of chapters this time. It's all we can do at this point, you know. Try to enjoy what we get, any way we can.

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                                                            It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                              @Razh I mean Hinrigh is walking with a flock of birds flying around him on the interior of a ship and hammer man runs in and doesn't even stop to question if those are part of his ability. These clearly aren't the most experienced fighters haha. In fairness I'm not sure a regular opponent could narrow down his whole ability with just the bird/handcuffs but I agree that compared to how we see most pros hiding their ability it definitely feels like something that could backfire on him. Reminds me of those mafia nen users from the York New arc who were all confident and strong looking until they tried to take on the spiders and got stomped.
                                                              But please no because I need more cat camcorders haha

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                                                                @wolfwood that's basically togashi after the world tree, I created a world where I can do whatever I want. Even more so then before since now Gon can be out of the picture.

                                                                Then again, that's like 90% of HXH. Yorknew has nothing to do with Gon's quest to find his father and CA wasn't either. Ironically, Greed Island was the one arc that had to do with Gon's goal and yet came off as a side quest to most.

                                                                I feel the whole issue is viewing the series through the main character's lens when I think Togashi has made it clear that the main four are all MCs. I mean, if we break it down like this, most of the arcs are side quests that become an entirely different genre.
                                                                Dating back to Ging's quote about how you'll find what you want in side quests and in detours you'll find what you are looking for, which I genuinely think is one of those quotes that come from Togashi himself.

                                                                CA didn't align with conventional plot direction and had nothing to do with any of the protagonist's goals but was the greatest catalyst for character development.

                                                                Ironically, this side quest of the princes has now involved the (assumedly) main perpetrator of Kuraprika's entire character motivation (4th prince), the Phantom troupe (a key faction), and Hisoka (the "5th main character"). I do think we are seeing a transition where the mafia side and the prince side are going to finally clash which is the inevitable clash of Phantom troupe/Hisoka and Kuraprika. Which, is what the past decade is building up on. Whether we'll see it in the next 4 years? Maybe the start of the climax, but we'll see.

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                                                                  @wolfwood said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                                                                  So as someone who hasn't been keeping up, this boat adventure feels a bit like greed island. A random mostly self-contained side quest right after baiting you with something really interesting you won't see for years.

                                                                  Wasn't the entire trigger for the Greed Island arc to find out more about Ging? Isn't that closely tied to the protagonists personal motivation?

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                                                                    Let’s not pretend Leorio is a main character.

                                                                    HxH is basically the final arc of Yu Yu Hakusho, where Yusuke/Gon was as much a main character as Kurama/Kurapika and Hiei/Killua. And Leorio is Kuwabara.

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                                                                      @zeltrax225 said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                                                                      Then again, that's like 90% of HXH.

                                                                      True true, the alluring premise segueing into a shaggy dog story is more of a feature than a bug. And like you said it doesn't have to be greed island bad, but it is somewhat frustrating to not get to see the cool continent tm for years, if ever. The non-word barfy parts of the boat adventures seem fun enough tho. I'll probably try to catch up and see where it goes.

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                                                                        HxH fans sound like the Swifties of the manga universe, uh?

                                                                        I like Togashi's obsession with detail, up to the point were we have a whole chapter with about to be tertiary characters showing up after a long hiatus.

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                                                                          We are still only 9 days into the 2-month voyage to the fake new continent. From there, they will board on another ship to the actual new continent.
                                                                          So I honestly think we’ll never get to see it. Best (?) case scenario, the manga ends when they land on the continent.

                                                                          As for me, I will be content just to see how the succession dispute ends.

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                                                                              Seems like folks should refrain from reading spoilers this week.

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                                                                                @Nilitch I can't believe

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                                                                                    why do people call nen abilites hatsu

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                                                                                      Thats how its called in the manga
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                                                                                      Also fucking finally, how many years has been?!

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                                                                                        @FKM said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

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                                                                                        Thats how its called in the manga

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                                                                                          @Lord-Gaimon said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                                                                                          why do people call nen abilites hatsu

                                                                                          Nen is the all encompassing term. Hatsu is one of the specific techniques within it, along with Ten, Zetsu, and Ren.

                                                                                          Ten is energy control, Zetsu is cloaking your energy, Ren is unleashing your control to get a lot of power at once.

                                                                                          Hatsu is your personal technique, what you create with nen. Like Hisoka's gum, or Gon's rock/paper/scissors or Killua's electricity or Kurapika's chains. It's where all the variety is.

                                                                                          Then there's sub categories on top of that like Gyo and In and En, but its been way too long since I read the series, I have no idea what those nuances are anymore and there's like 8 or 10 of them.

                                                                                          Then there the nen types, manipulation, emission, enhancement, etc. that determine where your natural strengths are to begin with. And now spirit beasts have been added to the mix so its just... a lot.

                                                                                          I might be off about some of the details, it's been years and I'm honestly surprised I remember this much, but that's the gist.

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                                                                                            @Robby said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                                                                                            Hatsu is your personal technique. Like Hisoka's gum, or Gon's rock/paper/scissors or Killua's electricity or Kurapika's chains. It's where all the variety is.

                                                                                            no, as you said hatsu is one of the four basics of nen along ten, ren and zetsu. it simply allows you to apply your nen type to your aura.
                                                                                            "personal techniques" are called abillities (nōryoku) and are created using the four basics (including hatsu) and other advanced techniques that you mentioned.

                                                                                            for some reason the english fandom wrongly uses hatsu as a synonym for abilites

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                                                                                              Nen. Best power system in shonen once you've taken a home study course to know what the fuck you're even talking about.

                                                                                              [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
                                                                                              I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]

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                                                                                                @Lord-Gaimon said in Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes:

                                                                                                it simply allows you to apply your nen type to your aura.

                                                                                                ....Which is how all the special abilities are made. Like I said.

                                                                                                The application you can personally use them is limited by your typing, but hatsu's where the special ability generation comes in.

                                                                                                for some reason the english fandom wrongly uses hatsu as a synonym for abilites

                                                                                                Or maybe if the entire fandom, including the manga and the wikis says its one thing, and you are the one outlier saying it's something else... you're the one that's wrong?

                                                                                                Why are you even asking a question that you think you already know the answer to... if when told the reason you're just going to say that it's wrong?

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                                                                                                  @Nobodyman way more fun than haki, but after hearing Kurapika drone on and on about it i'm gonna have to say that it is slightly too much up it's own ass. I'm gonna say stands for the perfect middle ground betwenn super specific and uninterestingly broad

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                                                                                                    @wolfwood Everyone always compares it to Haki, but what's great about One Piece is that power isn't limited it to just one type of power, be it Haki, Devil Fruits, Rokushiki, Rumble Ball, being really good with swords, etc.

                                                                                                    Anyway, I remember the general gist of Nen, but I could not for the life of me tell you what Hatsu, Natsu, Zetsu, Ren, Ten, Men, Ben, Gentle Ben, Banko, Rigatoni or any of those specific names mean.

                                                                                                    [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
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                                                                                                      Haki is just there to even out the playing field. Oda never wanted to dwell on technicalities, which is why there's so many discrepancies in the way it works.

                                                                                                      Togashi, on the other hand, worked it out to the slightest details but it just means it's way too complicated and the average reader can't follow a fight scene without some form of narration leading them by the hand.

                                                                                                      Feel like Naruto had a nice balance. There were technicalities but they were fairly straightforward. Not that Kishimoto never cut corners with it, but still.

                                                                                                      I like it when there's technicalities. A reason why someone got the upper hand in the fight. A layer of tactics and creativity that characters apply. OP lost much of it after it got hakified. Sure, you might say Oda never intended OP fights to be that deep but I'm just saying it's a shame.

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                                                                                                      Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                                                                                      It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                                                                        Nen is so ahead of its time and a lot of power systems after are just iterations of it (or simplifications/tweaks of it).
                                                                                                        And it's not just the power system that is well thought out, there's also the emotional aspect of it.
                                                                                                        Kuraprika gets Chain Jail (broken as hell) because of his immense hatred and his duty towards his clan, allowing for that power to manifest.
                                                                                                        Gon was able to go berserk because of his immense emotions towards the Kite's incident, so he was able to tap into that part of Nen too.
                                                                                                        Both cases are specific powers accessed for a specific moment.

                                                                                                        I really like how even that is calculated instead of "shounen gets angry, manifest willpower into powerups" and that was waaay back then and there is no other series so far that has managed the emotional exchange/investment = powerup as well as HxH either. One notable example is Gear 5 that is a lot of fun and I guess, makes some sense but is never quite expanded or elaborated on. Similar to DF awakening which we can never quite grasp the criteria. We might get it soon, but I doubt it will top HxH's.
                                                                                                        Haki is great but if you replace Haki with "another form of stamina or an addition of Mana/SP bar", or a "buff" nothing really changes. It's not that Haki is that in theory, but it has been that in almost all of its execution.
                                                                                                        The few times Haki has been shown to be used cleverly still hardly comes close to how Nen is utilized in Hunter.

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