Chapter 971: Sentenced to Boil
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Damn good chapter, if I didn't before, I totally get why the retainers are so loyal to Oden. I'm pretty satisfied with the full explanation of his actions the past 5 years as well.
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Absolutely loved this chapter. I was kinda shook after last week, not that it was a bad chapter but I was like "this was the hour of legends that we got so hyped for??". This makes so much sense now. Now this is what I call a legendary hour.
Sick explanation of Oden's actions which immediately builds on Orochi's motivations too. A fresh take on the whole evil ruler concept. Although it does make me wonder what Orochi's motivations are in the present exactly. We still don't know about how or why Kaido came to Wano, I always expected that to come later on though so I'm not worried about that.
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The page where he steps into the pot and holds them over his head looks great. Can't complain about the visuals, well maybe that Kaido looks so out of place in civilized society, but that is a super minor thing. Also i never get over how casually bloodthirsty the Wano population is, hoping for more crying and screaming and all, which i'm sure is pretty historically accurate but still a little disturbing
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Absolutely loved this chapter. I was kinda shook after last week, not that it was a bad chapter but I was like "this was the hour of legends that we got so hyped for??". This makes so much sense now. Now this is what I call a legendary hour.
Sick explanation of Oden's actions which immediately builds on Orochi's motivations too. A fresh take on the whole evil ruler concept. Although it does make me wonder what Orochi's motivations are in the present exactly. We still don't know about how or why Kaido came to Wano, I always expected that to come later on though so I'm not worried about that.
Yea the reveal that the suffering is actually the entire point, that he's not just some horribly negligent and selfish ruler, was great.
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Orochi has had a good showing in this flashback. All the idiot ball details aside he has been expanded upon in a satisfying way and it'll be a good call back to what he put them through when the scabbards/Momo/Hiyori finally lay into him
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biggest surprise that next chapter is stated to come out 21st!
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Every chapter, increases my desire to see the chapter when that scumbag Orochi gets his just desserts.
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Oda better show Orochi's death on screen and hopefully Kaido's too. There is no point in 'defeating' an emperor, it is not like that will weaken them, Kaido was defeated like 8 times or something and he's still very powerful. Only death can get rid of him. Unless he gets crippled someway, but I doubt losing a limb or two will make much of a difference.
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An enjoyable chapter.
The image of Oden standing in oil with the scabbards on top of him is solid. And I appreciate that Oda went for a more human display by having Oden yell and seems in crazy pain for the first minute. It makes the whole ordeal seems more visceral and more disturbing.
Kaido is drawn pretty shittily.
I like Orochi motivation. His story reminds me Doflamingo. But if it is the case I wish he was the driving force behind the vengeance plot instead of grandma having to come for him.
The deal does feel less silly(I don't know if it's actually is). But I have no idea why that deal was a secret of everyone. And I still think the 5 years thing is too long. Shorten it to a year and it's already more bearable and probably mention Orochi did build a couple of boats he never planned on using.
Overall I think the Oden martyr of Wano is juggling 7 decent versions of why he was a good martyr which by themselves would be enjoyable but together is confusing.
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So we still don’t know what the two people being shot by poisonous arrows was about? It was during the negotiation for peace.
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Also, what did Kaido need 100 people for? Was he selling them as slaves to make money, I guess?
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The entire narrative feels rushed and messy. Just don't feel it.
This flashback is just one disappointment after another since Oden returned to Wano.
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Well, that makes Oden's motivation for accepting the offer pretty clear..
You can start a civil war and have a lot of your people die, you can refuse the offer and have them slowly kidnapped, or you can accept and hope that in 5 years they'll keep their promise.All in all, a lot of this flashback is about tests of resilience for Oden.
Three days to not let go of the chains, 5 years of humiliation and having the people lose faith in you, one hour of boiling.
He voluntarily failed the first one for a justified cause, the second one turned out to be arguably in vain (arguably because he did protect thousands of lives for all those years). I wonder how exactly the third one will end (aside from him dying).The only thing I'm left to wonder is why Kaido needed those people. The chapter mentioned tortue.. is it just a hobby of Kaido?
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At this point there is only one humane solution for Wano, really.
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The Wanonese had a damn good excuse to be as scummy as they are in the present day (and I thought the flashback would salvage that to some degree), but they are largely just awful people, past and present.
I'm not joking, evacuate a handful of people (some from Ebisu Town or what) and then just nuke the place and forget about it. Green Bull still needs his great entrance anyway.
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I dont know if im off the mark here but i think there's an interesting twist to the corruption of Wano as showcased through Orochi because its not a result of the corruption of the WG. Until now, the antagonists were rewarded for being corrupt by the system, but Wano created its own corruption. Ofc this is not the first time a corrupted system is created internally but i think this case is very fitting in a meta sense also, if we assume that Oda is commenting on Japan's isolationistic background
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At this point there is only one humane solution for Wano, really.
! https://pm1.narvii.com/7234/04c4e41dd6436f599f273f334ce77b837a71be44r1-800-450v2_hq.jpg
The Wanonese had a damn good excuse to be as scummy as they are in the present day (and I thought the flashback would salvage that to some degree), but they are largely just awful people, past and presence.
I'm not joking, evacuate a handful of people (some from Ebisu Town or what) and then just nuke the place and forget about it. Green Bull still needs his great entrance anyway.
Several decades after the nuke Wano enters the great age of anime.
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Whomever this traitor is has a lot of fucking gall to keep on being an informant while having their boss (Orochi) nearly kill them, only to have their bacon saved by their primary target.
That individual is up there on my shit list for this arc.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
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This was a great chapter, but I can't help but feel that the surprise of why Oden was doing as he did wasn't quite worth the way Oda told the story. We already knew that something was up and could only anticipate what that thing was. I think it might have been more effective if we were in on what Oden already knew and got to watch everyone else react to him in disgust. The scene of him being boiled works just as well, regardless, and it would add more present weight to the battle in the last chapter. it also might have given Oda more freedom to breathe in regards to having more chapters about Oden. If we know what motivates him, we can more easily empathize with him and won't feel so bad being away from the present plot. I'd love to hear other people's opinions. I'm enjoying this arc and Oden's story, but had to get that out.
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The entire narrative feels rushed and messy. Just don't feel it.
Oda is death serious about the 5 years to finish this up, he prolly realized the fandom is getting super old, and he don't want us grandpas to lose interest in a never-ending story to start buying medicines for Osteoporosis.
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This was a great chapter, but I can't help but feel that the surprise of why Oden was doing as he did wasn't quite worth the way Oda told the story. We already knew that something was up and could only anticipate what that thing was. I think it might have been more effective if we were in on what Oden already knew and got to watch everyone else react to him in disgust. The scene of him being boiled works just as well, regardless, and it would add more present weight to the battle in the last chapter. it also might have given Oda more freedom to breathe in regards to having more chapters about Oden. If we know what motivates him, we can more easily empathize with him and won't feel so bad being away from the present plot. I'd love to hear other people's opinions. I'm enjoying this arc and Oden's story, but had to get that out.
I agree.
We got to see Oden act like an idiot for no reason, which was implied to be the result of a secret deal he made with Orochi… something we all knew would have been an incredibly stupid thing to do.
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Whomever this traitor is has a lot of fucking gall to keep on being an informant while having their boss (Orochi) nearly kill them, only to have their bacon saved by their primary target.
That. Evidence these past couple weeks had convinced me that Kanjuro was a likely traitor, but after everything they went through this chapter and the last I will have an increasingly hard time buying that any of the scabbards could have remained an enemy of Oden all this time.
Also, while this flashback has cemented Orochi as a cunning evil, I stand by the idea that Oden's choice to keep a lid on his deal was completely stupid. Really, half the troubles that hit Wano these 2 decades are because this guy sucked at decision-making.
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Just realized that's Gatz on the cover. Same hair, helmet, but less armor.
The moment i've been waiting for all flashback. Orochi finally boils this guy.
3rd page, 1st panel, shows the best angle of Kaido's size. It's either the scan or just a bad drawing of Inu.
Too many people are ok with this. Reminds me of when people around the world celebrated WB's death. I know brainwashing when I see it. Even the real world celebrates the death of those who were made the villain of a narrative. If I named someone right, there would be people to justify their execution. The winner will always be able to tell the story and there will be people to blindly follow and not question anything.
I've been keeping an eye on Inu and Neko since the flashback started. I really want to see what the miff and contretemps are all about.
Flashback within a flashback. All for the Great Orochi. Not every character gets this. This is special treatment. Goda.
How do they keep what Shinobu said quiet? Do they kill everyone listening? Does everyone there actually believe her? Can they just laugh her off? Or will Oden say that she is lying to kill that narrative for his own reason?
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So after this chapter, the traitor has to be hitetsu. That usopp nose liar is the only one besides scabbards and shinobu that knew about the Sunny ship location in the cave. Hitetsu clan and orochi clan must go way back.
And that food taster of momo is also strange.
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Honestly, this chapter kinda puts Spandam and the World Nobles back on top of the biggest-dick-villain list. Orochi actually has a pretty solid reason to want to see Wano burn and I vaguely support him. Doesn't help that Momo of all people is first in line to be successor.
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I don't think Orochi went through all that. We've never seen him under any sort of persecution and have reason to believe that his family wasn't persecuted in the way we have been led to believe. (with yasuei's questioning of why he held back the truth of his heritage) Higurashi is the key to all of this, of course, but I think there are two options. Either what she has said is mostly the truth and there's a small redemption in the future for Orochi, potentially in a color spread, or it's all concocted and Kaido will become the sympathetic character.
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And if the present traitor is law? What do you think?
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How is law the traitor? Please explain
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Seems clear that Oden's deal with Orochi could have been added in 969 without negatively affecting the drama, I suppose Oda simply withheld it to create shock value around Oden's actions. I'm sure some will consider it stupid and worthless but I thought the shock value was done pretty well. So are most of the Beasts Pirates just Wano citizens who were kidnapped and had their spirits broken? Brutal.
Not buying that Kaido will really let Oden and the Scabbards go free if Oden survives the hour, given what he did in the last chapter. Plus the nature of this scene is a direct parallel to Oden's trial to join the Whitebeard Pirates, so it feels really likely that Oda would contrast Kaido's actions with Whitebeard's. Though I have to say, I'm not really a fan of Kaido acting underhanded - he's been built up as an invincible warrior who tries suicide for fun, so I'd feel it would better complement his character to actively seek challenges and overcome them on his own. Given past arc villains, perhaps Oda doesn't like writing villains who keep their word and actively make deals that they honor.
The boiling trial was portrayed pretty well. The cutaways to the clock kept making me think we'd be in for a quick timelapse, only to reveal that just a minute or two had passed. Truly excruciating.
I feel like Inu/Neko will be a key reason that this trial ultimately goes wrong, and it'll result in their 20 year feud.
Spoiler:
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At this point there is only one humane solution for Wano, really.
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The Wanonese had a damn good excuse to be as scummy as they are in the present day (and I thought the flashback would salvage that to some degree), but they are largely just awful people, past and present.
I'm not joking, evacuate a handful of people (some from Ebisu Town or what) and then just nuke the place and forget about it. Green Bull still needs his great entrance anyway.
A lot of the people in the OP world are scum of the earth .
You have the CD that going around doing what ever the fuck they want with the WG backing them .
You had people torture Don famliy members .
People who use people to mine stuff they know would kill others and left the country after they get rich.
In luffy town the try to burn away a whole part because they thought it was trash and the list goes on .
Think i said before but so much of the OP world is fucked up. -
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Seems clear that Oden's deal with Orochi could have been added in 969 without negatively affecting the drama, I suppose Oda simply withheld it to create shock value around Oden's actions. I'm sure some will consider it stupid and worthless but I thought the shock value was done pretty well.
I don't think it was stupid or worthless, but I think it would have been more worthwhile if we knew back then and had even more chapters between that point, really getting to know Oden as this guy willing to be a fool for such a reason. I think the quickened pace of the last three chapters works because we're hungry for the revel of what caused Oden to act as he acted, but that we'd be better off, especially right now, with a slow focus on Oden, his family, his supporters, and his decision.
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At this point there is only one humane solution for Wano, really.
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The Wanonese had a damn good excuse to be as scummy as they are in the present day (and I thought the flashback would salvage that to some degree), but they are largely just awful people, past and present.
I'm not joking, evacuate a handful of people (some from Ebisu Town or what) and then just nuke the place and forget about it. Green Bull still needs his great entrance anyway.
From what we've seen, the only towns full of rotten people are the affluent ones. Most of them are full of poor people struggling.
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I don't think Orochi went through all that. We've never seen him under any sort of persecution and have reason to believe that his family wasn't persecuted in the way we have been led to believe. (with yasuei's questioning of why he held back the truth of his heritage) Higurashi is the key to all of this, of course, but I think there are two options. Either what she has said is mostly the truth and there's a small redemption in the future for Orochi, potentially in a color spread, or it's all concocted and Kaido will become the sympathetic character.
I mean we can clearly see the flashback of him being persecuted, and Oden wouldn't have danced if he didn't agree with Orochi. Even disregarding that, there's no point in a twist where conveniently every other Kurozomi except for Orochi was targeted.
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Seems clear that Oden's deal with Orochi could have been added in 969 without negatively affecting the drama, I suppose Oda simply withheld it to create shock value around Oden's actions. I'm sure some will consider it stupid and worthless but I thought the shock value was done pretty well.
It was worth it to me just for the fact that the reactions from the fandom pretty much mirrored the Wano citizens lol
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Basically my thoughts from the spoiler thread:
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I love Kaido being amused by Oden totally playing him. Until we get his character properly fleshed out, I am keeping an eye on all the little nuances his personality shows and so far I can say I am excited for when he finally gets some focus. For the sake of his proper place as the big bad, I hope we'll eventually find out it was him who instigated the Kurozumi elders into seeking revenge (then he would propose to help and would gain Wano for him).
Still on him, I am curious on why he requires human sacrifices. It could be related to the Numbers, since they are supposed to eat humans, I guess. -
Oden… the more I think about this deal the more I can't believe he actually fell for it for entire 5 years, even though I get Orochi deceiving him on a first moment. Obviously Orochi was trying to erode his image as the "heir of the shogunate", so I can't understand how Oden believed for so long he intended to just leave.
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I feel bad for Ashura Doji, did he got any line in this entire flashback besides a "Lord Oden!!"? He is feeling like a background character at this point.
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As for the traitor, my current theory is that the current Shinobu is not the real Shinobu. The real Shinobu is the witching-hour boy and the one impersonating Shinobu just took advantage of the fact no one knew her very well on Oden's group and that 20 years went by since she vanished. How much I will hold to this theory will depend if Shinobu uses her DF on the flashback.
Assuming it is truly an impersonator on present time, I could also throw Raizo in there and make him her accomplice (could she be the girl who dumped him?). I'm still thinking if that would work. -
The cover story is still giving me nothing.
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I presume the tribute is just for more mine slaves and/or guinea pigs for Kaidos animal hybrids project. Or whatever else he can use people for. I doubt he or anyone on his side is eating them, doesn't seem like his thing to waste an able body
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Orochi mentioned that the entire Kurozumi clan was persecuted just for sharing the lineage with his grandfather. But he's doing the same to Wano. Not literally every single person in Wano took part in the Kurozumi persecution, but he's using the same guilt by association fallacy and punishing them that the Kurozumis were subjected to.
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior
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Oh, Oden's poor balls.
Whoever the traitor is really sucks now. There's no reason to betray him after he literally saved your lives. It makes me subscribe more to that Hiyori is the traitor, just cause she wasn't there and 20 years is a long time for many things to happen. We'll see.
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Are you expecting Orochi to be the bigger man here or fair? How many people are standing up against Oden being executed, outside of his servants and friends? I do find it weird that some of us are conditioned to be righteous or "the bigger man" when others can just keep doing what they want.
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I actually don't think I've ever seen a story where a ruler genuinely hates and wants to destroy his own country before. I've seen ones where they were insane and wanted it destroyed (Eneru, for example), but none where it's driven by hatred. Orochi continues to be best boi.
Also, I kind of feel like Oden trusting Orochi feels especially bad on a week-to-week basis. Even though he's only made one mistake, since we've been discussing it for three chapters straight it "feels" like he's being tricked three times in a row.
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I actually don't think I've ever seen a story where a ruler genuinely hates and wants to destroy his own country before. I've seen ones where they were insane and wanted it destroyed (Eneru, for example), but none where it's driven by hatred. Orochi continues to be best boi.
Interesting observation, I didn't think about it that way.
Also, I kind of feel like Oden trusting Orochi feels especially bad on a week-to-week basis. Even though he's only made one mistake, since we've been discussing it for three chapters straight it "feels" like he's being tricked three times in a row.
Ugh. That was so ass-backwards on so many levels it's unbelievable. I get that Oden is the kind of guy who wouldn't want anyone to have to die for his sake but that's sort of a selfish way of thinking things when you consider that it's the country they'd ultimately be fighting and dying for, and not just their loyalty to him. For the sake of their fellow countrymen and the future generations to come, surely them laying down their lives to overthrow Orochi and Kaido, following Oden's lead and acting immediately to minimize casualties, there's no way that could have even crossed his mind as a necessary evil? You can't even argue that it's a "they're getting to live, that's all that matters" since so many are dying of starvation or other ailments caused by Orochi and Kaido's dominion, so all Oden's decision did was prolong the suffering and ensure that when the straw that broke the camel's back finally emerged, they had that much less chance of victory, and earned their humiliating and very deserved fate. It's like what happened when France and the UK decided not to do anything about the Third Reich before finally declaring war; pay now or pay later. They decided to pay later, and look how that turned out as opposed to trying to halt the advance of the Axis before they became any more powerful. You'd think someone from a former Axis power would appreciate the irony of that in his own storytelling, but no, Oden condemned Wano in that stupid way.
Not only that, but what exact assurance did Oden have that Orochi and Kaido weren't just going to go behind his back and do more kidnappings and secret murders while Oden is distracted with his idiotic dancing? And did Oden have no idea at all what was going to be going on in the absence of his enforcing justice anyway, with the stockpiling of weapons and marshaling of Kaido's troops to tighten their stranglehold on Wano? Literally zero advantage to doing what he decided except that rather than witnessing the immediate execution of a handful of citizens, he gets to maybe hear about news of untold thousands dying more slowly in poverty, disease and malnutrition. Then, just as a fucking cherry on top, Orochi thumbs his nose at Oden after all, though it took him long enough, but he showed remarkable restraint in waiting for Oden to have annihilated his own reputation first. Even the thing he set out to do, keep innocent people from being cut down in the street, failed miserably. That should have cost him the loyalty of his followers. For crying out loud, what possible harm could there have been in at least informing them of the situation, getting their opinion, discussing it as a group, coming up with a decision, and then saying if they respected his authority then they'd capitulate to his choice or if they did not agree, to leave Wano? Then the ones who could not just stand idly by while their idiot boss did the stupidest possible thing would be forced to go live elsewhere and not have anything more to do with it if they could not see fit to serve either of the two houses in control.
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Not only that, but what exact assurance did Oden have that Orochi and Kaido weren't just going to go behind his back and do more kidnappings and secret murders while Oden is distracted with his idiotic dancing?
Keep the amount of people that Orochi was normally kidnapping and selling in mind, 100 every week. That is not a small number at all. Oden was going around "traveling from region to region making sure nothing had changed," if 100 people suddenly went missing, he would have noticed. Even if we assume Orochi snuck a handful behind his back, Oden still massively curbed that number.
Literally zero advantage to doing what he decided except that rather than witnessing the immediate execution of a handful of citizens, he gets to maybe hear about news of untold thousands dying more slowly in poverty, disease and malnutrition.
The Wano of 25-20 years ago is not the same as the Wano of the present day. It wasn't nearly as polluted back then as it is in the present. People would not die from disease and malnutrition as fast as they would the kidnappings.
Even the thing he set out to do, keep innocent people from being cut down in the street, failed miserably.
I'm assuming you're talking about the Hyogoro incident. True, but the moment he found out about that is the moment he stopped playing the fool and took action.
For crying out loud, what possible harm could there have been in at least informing them of the situation, getting their opinion, discussing it as a group, coming up with a decision, and then saying if they respected his authority then they'd capitulate to his choice or if they did not agree, to leave Wano?
That would be the smart thing to do, yes, but that doesn't exactly seem in character for him.
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After reading the official translation and thinking about it, I actually don't think Oden's decision was wrong.
Think about it, Kaidou's dragon form has massive AOE damage, he can level wano to the ground in hours.
If Oden chose to fight then and there, hundreds of thousands would've died. Even when he realized he got scammed, he tried to kill Kaidou in his sleep but the traitor got in the way.
Although why he chose to shoulder the burden alone is another matter entirely and the reason for his downfall imo.
Thats they key difference between Oden and Luffy. Relying on your friends. Luffy shouting to Sanji I cant be PK without you cones to my mind.
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I don't think Orochi went through all that. We've never seen him under any sort of persecution and have reason to believe that his family wasn't persecuted in the way we have been led to believe. (with yasuei's questioning of why he held back the truth of his heritage) Higurashi is the key to all of this, of course, but I think there are two options. Either what she has said is mostly the truth and there's a small redemption in the future for Orochi, potentially in a color spread, or it's all concocted and Kaido will become the sympathetic character.
There's a third option.
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Read the chapter on the train on the way to work in the morning, but by the time I'm free and ready to write up my thoughts the site goes offline overnight. Great timing on that one.
Alright, we all knew it was coming, but holy shit that was brutal. A lot more graphic than I expected it to be, especially the random mook who fell in early on. One Piece has never necessarily shied from dark scenes, but I feel Oda has previously tended to show only the start then cut away when something as horrible as a live boiling happens. I wonder if the recent success of darker-feeling series like Kimetsu and The Promised Neverland gave him a bit more confidence in showing the rough stuff.
The flashbacks at the end of the chapter do a lot to put the last few installments of the story into perspective. I think it's particularly important that we see Oden and Kaido clashing in an apparent stalemate when he attacked the palace. It's interesting how both sides of that conflict seemed to have come away with a healthy respect for the other's threat level. Kaido acknowledged that Oden might have been able to beat him if he got all his samurai and yakuza together back then while Oden took a peaceful solution and even when he did choose to fight, chose the uncharacteristically underhanded option of planning to assassinate Kaido while he was drunk. A shame that couldn't have worked out. And it really goes to show how desperate and terrifying it must have been when Kaido turned out to be waiting in ambush.
Structurally though, I'm not completely jazzed on how everything is coming together. I don't think the surprise, after-the-fact stakes raising for the ambush adds any more benefit than the full force "oh shit" moment we would have had if we'd known the full context when it first happened. Similarly, the reason for the dancing was close enough to most reasonable guesses that it didn't really floor me as a reveal. I understand that Oda probably wanted us to feel like the Wanoese citizens - frustrated with Oden's strange choices then coming to regret that we ever doubted him when the full story came out. I get it. But I've spent enough time with Oda's storytelling not to doubt Oden in the first place. It didn't feel like the intended journey. It felt more like an eye-rolling "I told you so" reveal. I think I would have liked the frustration of knowing the reasoning while it was happening and feeling unable to do anything about it, as Oden did, more than what we got.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the flashback is bad or anything. I'm having a good time. I just don't really feel like jumping around the timeline and delivering info out of order has delivered any real benefit over just telling the story chronologically in this case.
Kaido himself is proving to be an interesting character mostly by way of how little we know about him despite his prominence in the story. There's so little backstory. Suicidal Kaido, emotional drunk Kaido and the just wants a laugh at the public execution Kaido could almost be three different characters. I've given up hope of learning more about him in this flashback, but I am looking forward to what comes up before the arc ends.
And speaking of the flasback ending, there's still so much to do. Dog and Cat aren't quite enemies yet. Kaido and Momo haven't had their one on one, nor have we been given anything to back up Kin's statement that Kaido wanted info about the Poneglyphs from the Kozuki family. And to top it all off, Oden hasn't yet delivered the "born to boil" line from Zou and still seems to be at least an hour from death. It's hard to imagine that moment being anything other than the last spread of a chapter, but it's also hard to imagine the boiling going on another 17 pages without losing its impact. It's actually starting to feel plausible that the flashback could make it to the end of the volume at this point.
Heard we're getting a colour spread next week (well, this Friday), I usually don't think these kinds of things a realistic to hope for, but it'd be cool to get one just for Oden and the Scabbards, especially given what a big event it's likely to be.
Another strong chapter overall, only issues are how it fits in with the rest structurally, but who knows, maybe it'll all flow a bit easier in the archive binge.
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Alright, what do we still have to cover in this flashback? By my count:
-Oden's death
-Team Kinemon returning to Oden castle
-Team Kinemon being sent to the future
-Why Cat and Dog started arguing after Oden's death
-Toki giving her speech to Orochi
-Momonosuke meeting Kaidou face to face
-Kaido realizing that Oden knew about Laugh Tale (unfortunately, this one has a non-zero chance of being a forgotten plot point)-Not strictly "necessary," but a proper explanation about who Higurashi and Semimaru are, how they died, and how their DFs left Wano
-Likewise, more Denjiro information would be great, but could be for later.Anything else I forgot?
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okay let's bet . Would love to see your losing face next week !
An actual bet and conversation on the Chapter 905 thread, literally an hour before he got banned again.
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Alright, what do we still have to cover in this flashback? By my count:
-Oden's death
-Team Kinemon returning to Oden castle
-Team Kinemon being sent to the future
-Why Cat and Dog started arguing after Oden's death
-Toki giving her speech to Orochi
-Momonosuke meeting Kaidou face to face
-Kaido realizing that Oden knew about Laugh Tale (unfortunately, this one has a non-zero chance of being a forgotten plot point)-Not strictly "necessary," but a proper explanation about who Higurashi and Semimaru are, how they died, and how their DFs left Wano
-Likewise, more Denjiro information would be great, but could be for later.Anything else I forgot?
It certainly falls into the category of Oden's death, but the "born to boil" line remembered on Zou still hasn't come up.
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Alright, what do we still have to cover in this flashback? By my count:
-Oden's death
-Team Kinemon returning to Oden castle
-Team Kinemon being sent to the future
-Why Cat and Dog started arguing after Oden's death
-Toki giving her speech to Orochi
-Momonosuke meeting Kaidou face to face
-Kaido realizing that Oden knew about Laugh Tale (unfortunately, this one has a non-zero chance of being a forgotten plot point)-Not strictly "necessary," but a proper explanation about who Higurashi and Semimaru are, how they died, and how their DFs left Wano
-Likewise, more Denjiro information would be great, but could be for later.Anything else I forgot?
Shutenmaru and Denjiro fought Kaido, and big 8 years old Jack, lmao.
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@Medical:
Orochi mentioned that the entire Kurozumi clan was persecuted just for sharing the lineage with his grandfather. But he's doing the same to Wano. Not literally every single person in Wano took part in the Kurozumi persecution, but he's using the same guilt by association fallacy and punishing them that the Kurozumis were subjected to.
Im fairly sure that's his point. Apply the same blanket judgment of Wano that Wano did on his clan.
With a backstory like that I would have liked if it was Orochi seeking the old woman instead of her coming to him to give him purpose.
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Oden still is naive:
5yrs ago: "once you built your ships, you leave Wano?"
"Sure. We promise!"
Now:"If any endures one hour in the pot, his life is spared?"
"Sure. We promise!"Still, it is a badass feat Oden did in that chapter.
And now I'm even more lookin forward for Kaidou's and Orochi's ass to be kicked.
