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    • JulieYBM
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      @Satsuki said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

      You can't fully address racism in five chapters. You need a whole series.

      The themes discrimination have been there in earlier chapters but the series sure as hell isn't taking a real anti-discrimination stance with how soft its approach has been.

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        I even disagree that Hori ever tried to portray any real sentiment of discrimination, I won't deny the left some bread crumbs that never got addressed in any meaningful or serious way.

        To bring it back at this point is basically..."wait what was Spinner's origin story? OH mutant racism...fuck I never went anywhere with it did I? Welp better pull something for it's 4-5 chapters that can't be interpreted as a direct critic of racism in JP society."

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          @pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

          I even disagree that Hori ever tried to portray any real sentiment of discrimination, I won't deny the left some bread crumbs that never got addressed in any meaningful or serious way.

          To bring it back at this point is basically..."wait what was Spinner's origin story? OH mutant racism...fuck I never went anywhere with it did I? Welp better pull something for it's 4-5 chapters that can't be interpreted as a direct critic of racism in JP society."

          I was not a fan of what he did to the only canonically transgender woman in the series, nor am I a fan of how he portrays the only canonically bisexual woman in the series, either. The guy has clearly bought into the idea that marginalized people should work within the corrupt system that wants them dead unless they tow the party line and that is historically not helpful.

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            The anime reminded me of how bad and pointless was his choice to have Midnight die off-panel.

            Especially when a hero like Gran Torino exists and is somehow still alive when on-panel scenes and plot development would justify his death 1000x times more.

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              For what it was it did alright. The conclusion was lackluster but I was fearing worse, and some of the chapters leading up to this were entertaining. The core problem is that the discrimination of people based on quirks, especially the heteromorphs, feels like it's been a barely existent side-plot for the majority of the series. Then half-way through the characters suddenly go "hang on, I forgot our society is supposed to be screwed up" and there's this tone shift that sits very badly with me. And now that this mini-story is finished it feels like a pointless detour.

              I'll have to re-read the series to properly judge how it was all built up. But for now this entire arc feels so sudden and out of place. I wish the series would've focused on the students and league of villains. It's the interactions between individual characters that create meaning, not huge groups from society who clash in a psuedo-war.

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                Villains bonding over League of Legends.
                Astoundingly fitting~

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                  Ouch! I was dreading this. Spinner's character got dunked on just to make him look bad so the story wouldn't have to dive too deep into a valid solution to the social issues brought up.
                  And what's the solution? Be good and hope the racists learn to be nice one day? …Really? What a waste of a long drawn out background plot point. But the thing is I'm not mad. I'm not really that disappointed because I felt whatever outcome Horikoshi had in mind wouldn't work. I'm just annoyed this issue wasn't addressed by any other heroes until this final arc.

                  I did like Present Mic flirting with the idea of having to kill Kurogiri to keep him from saving Shigaraki. Didn't see that coming.

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                    .........y'all know that was the real-life solution to legalized discrimination, right? At least here in the United States. Making people ashamed of their own cruelty was a big factor in getting the Civil Rights Act passed.

                    Takes a lot longer to affect personal/societal prejudice though.

                    Poor heroes--Hori just can't help making them come off as awful people! "If your corpse can't be useful to your old buddies, you should just go on and disappear forever. But if you can, great!"

                    As big a clown as Spinner has been made to look this entire subplot, this chapter made me happy to see Mic lose.

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                      Nicely asking bigots to stop committing violence against marginalized people (through either legislation, media or physical violence) does not work. Change has only ever come after relentlessly threatening the financial and physical safety of those in power to create patchwork systemic changes. Fascists have only ever been scared off by marginalized people and their allies (anti-fascists or antifa, if you will) who physically fight back.

                      It really sucks that HeroAca does not seem to understand this or want to explore it, instead leading its readers to a false conclusion on the subject.

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                        So is Shoji pulling a Ghandi and saying the jews should kill themselves to shame the nazis?

                        Hori is just awful at tackling societal problems out of fear it could get taken as a critic of IRL Japan in his super-hero not so futuristic Japan.

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                          Racism is not something Japanese understand very well because, well, there are SO FEW not-Asians in the country. Seriously, if you don't live in a big city like Tokyo or Kyoto you almost never see any Westerners, and very less likely to see anybody of African descent. The only brown people you are likely to see are Indians/South Asians. It really wasn't until the Meiji era that Japan started to be exposed to more foreigners.

                          It's something that's slooooowly changing as the internet and social media provides more exposure, but it's gonna take a while.

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                            @Satsuki said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                            Racism is not something Japanese understand very well because, well, there are SO FEW not-Asians in the country.

                            Heh that doesn't excuse them. Specially if they were so ethnic supremacists that they created the blood based personality type just to 20th century-scientifically prove it.

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                              Or their enslavement of Korea, Taiwan and portions of China.

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                                It's a lie to say that Japanese don't understand racism. You just need to read on the fate of the Ainu people of Hokkaido and how they were forcibly assimilated. People of Ainu descent that know it just hide it to not be discriminated against.

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                                  Maybe it's better to say that they're perfectly capable of it (isn't any society?), but aren't near as exposed to discussion/study about it since they're not used to doing so. Or try to ignore it.

                                  And never forget the Ainu.

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                                    They don't discuss it because culturally they are taught to integrate in the one culture and not question it. That if they integrate without question, then everything will be fine. It just means that they normalized racism and discrimination because it's just how things should be to live in harmony.

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                                      Yo, here to talk about MHA.

                                      The latest season has been alright. I think the content is definitely carrying, and although the animation isn't as strong as the second season, or other seasonal shows right now, its still got a decent number of animation highlights each episode.

                                      In terms of the manga, things look like they will continue to get more choatic with Kurogiri being set free. Honestly, the sub plots have been the thing I've enjoyed the most, though I feel like Hori's lack of preparation is meaning that he has to do a crap ton with the characters spontaneously and I'm not sure that works most of the time.

                                      Its also very clear that he doesn't actually have a deep analysis of social issues or solutions to them beyond noting "social issues actually exist". I wouldn't even say Hori's message is as challenging as something like One Piece, which is tonally a series a lot less mature, but still promotes more radical messages.

                                      I don't particularly care for how One Piece presents racism in Fishman discrimination, but at the very least there is a greater focus on systems like slavery which perpetuate racism, and the freedom fighters(specifically referring to the sun pirates, not the Arlong or new Arlong Pirates, who are supremacist groups) aren't shown to be led by just misguided evil people. Again, I don't think its presentation is perfect, but it has some meat to it.

                                      MHA's discrimination arc is weird. Quirks are innate, and heteromorph discrimination is purely superficial in nature. The comments around "high rates of incarceration" and stuff definitely makes it shape up to be more of a race allegory, but really, I think you could easily substitute other minorities into the allegory just as easily.

                                      However, I think its issue comes from its lack of any sort of systems based analysis. Like, its more than people just thinking other people are gross and having prejudice. Those ideas don't pop out of nowhere and they don't exist without some kind of point.

                                      Like, using the One Piece analogy, there were potential benefits for facilitating discrimination against fishmen for the purposes of the One Piece slave trade.

                                      Hell, with other examples, you could point out how cultures or religions were crushed for the sake of hegemony.

                                      Whats the point of mutant discrimination in MHA, a series filled with powers and abilities that made establishing a single hegemonic norm really silly?

                                      Hell, the series could even have made a point of pointing out the silliness of mutant discrimination in a series with characters with tons of different appearances(hell, there are tons of human characters with non human characteristics).

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                                        HAHAHAHA He skipped the girls fights again
                                        I can only take so much Horikoshi, never change man.

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                                            Damn I thought this was a break week.
                                            Hori letting his female hero students is not happening. The manga has shifted a long time to fuck anyone that isn't a pro, had a quirk that cam be used to nerf a villain or isn't named Midoriya-Todoroki-Bakugo.

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                                              @zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                              HAHAHAHA He skipped the girls fights again
                                              I can only take so much Horikoshi, never change man.

                                              I think we'll get that in a flashback. I don't think that their role in the story is over.

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                                                @pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                Damn I thought this was a break week.
                                                Hori letting his female hero students is not happening. The manga has shifted a long time to fuck anyone that isn't a pro, had a quirk that cam be used to nerf a villain or isn't named Midoriya-Todoroki-Bakugo.

                                                It really is appalling looking over what was great and made MHA popular in the first couple arcs/seasons and see the Author's major takeaway was "Man, the kids and character growth are boring. I just want to show off big awesome powers, so I guess I'll just use the adult pros instead."

                                                Which are usually boring cause the pros were rarely underdogs so AFO had to manipulate broken genetic monsters just to keep up.

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                                                  Given Kamino, AFO would still be able to overpower the pros. But the laws of shonen progression meant everyone gets a power up.

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                                                    Sometimes it's interesting to think how long MHA could've run and what heights it may have achieved had it come out during the early Big Three era, when series were given time in Shonen Jump to breathe and exist and expand and experiment and--le gasp--even sometimes fail and learn.

                                                    But MHA went from 0 to 4th Ninja War Chakra Gundams so quickly that the original story we were being told is still reeling. Reading the events of the prerelease of Chapter 374 still makes me feel like I'm reading a summary of the manga instead of the manga itself.

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                                                      @Marcotty said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                      @pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                      Damn I thought this was a break week.
                                                      Hori letting his female hero students is not happening. The manga has shifted a long time to fuck anyone that isn't a pro, had a quirk that cam be used to nerf a villain or isn't named Midoriya-Todoroki-Bakugo.

                                                      It really is appalling looking over what was great and made MHA popular in the first couple arcs/seasons and see the Author's major takeaway was "Man, the kids and character growth are boring. I just want to show off big awesome powers, so I guess I'll just use the adult pros instead."

                                                      Which are usually boring cause the pros were rarely underdogs so AFO had to manipulate broken genetic monsters just to keep up.

                                                      I do feel like a lot more time could have been setting up the student characters, especially considering how massive a role they were having in this final arc.

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                                                        @Sirxxx said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                        Sometimes it's interesting to think how long MHA could've run and what heights it may have achieved had it come out during the early Big Three era, when series were given time in Shonen Jump to breathe and exist and expand and experiment and--le gasp--even sometimes fail and learn.

                                                        But MHA went from 0 to 4th Ninja War Chakra Gundams so quickly that the original story we were being told is still reeling. Reading the events of the prerelease of Chapter 374 still makes me feel like I'm reading a summary of the manga instead of the manga itself.

                                                        I feel like having more arcs like Overhaul, or building off of arcs like Overhaul action wise would have made sense. Overhaul was really the last big high stakes action arc featuring the students before the first war. Maybe a more steady progression arc where the students had to grow against an actual threat before the first or even second war would have worked better.

                                                        Or hell, maybe just even show them train better.

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                                                          The series just fell in the classic trap of introducing too many characters without actually having a proper plan for most of them. New characters are easy content in the early going as it helps with readers engagement and interest.

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                                                            At least when BLEACH introduced new characters it didn't do so in a way that made it necessarily for them to stick around. I think that's a pretty big downside to HeroAca in that a lot of these characters you kind of expect to last longer than a volume-spanning battle. Kubo knew that he would just play around with the Arrancars for ten chapters and then move on, which worked for the sort of experience he was going for. Horikoshi is just struggling to balance what is quite a few characters who technically have arcs mixed in with characters that he's just keeping around for whatever reason.

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                                                              @JazzMazz I don't think so. A lot of things are better when looking back or when read in bulk which is really the effect people have for Naruto and Bleach and the worst parts of One Piece. Naruto and Bleach had the advantage of having really, really high highs for many years so the fanbase give them the leeway and because they cling tightly to their own emotional attachment to the series (because they grew up with it or whatever), they overlook and give the series way too much leeway for the shit writing they pull in their declining years.

                                                              This is the same thing with BnHa and Japan. It still ranks highly in ToC, the anime movies still sells, and people still buy their merchandise. Because the generation right now is us who were reading Naruto and Bleach back then. Obviously it is a lower number but it still is a significant demographic. Longer years doesn't mean shit, more breaks doesn't mean more either if the author can't plan ahead, refuse to stop pandering and stop relying on tropes. Even if you give BnHa 10 more years, this will still be where the series characters end up, albeit with a larger more disposable gallery to use.

                                                              Naruto pulled the same thing with the 4th war too, introduced a whole cast of whatever ninjas and have us suffer through their whatever fights whereas the side characters took a back seat except for the popular ones. Bleach had a whole arsenal of captains and sub captains to use but Kubo always use the more popular ones and has shown strong favourism to always use the same old characters. He also can't develop and write the main Karakura town crew without shooting himself in the foot. The fullbring arc is a good way to look into his performance as a writer when he has none of what made the series popular to rely on. You needed to be really drunk to have taken any of that as good writing or to even enjoy it.

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                                                                Waiting for the flying rat to die. (Knowing it won't happen). Part I.
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                                                                  For those saying the Pros have too much focus, it looks like Horikoshi's taking them off the field. Or at least, I think that's one of the big points to everything that's happened up 'til now. Look, I just want The Crawler to show up. Take the top Japan pros off the table and bring me the international heroes.

                                                                  I wonder where Horikoshi's taking the monster cloud plot development? Maybe the world will see they're screwed anyway and send their heroes. Koichi's gonna show up any second now. Yep... Any second...

                                                                  I guess Mr. Compress and Gigantomachia are coming back? Makes no sense for them to stay off-screened in the final arc. Thank goodness Koichi's coming to help...

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                                                                    Oh hey, a cameo from my state! And the weather girl is so cute!

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                                                                      @Nectar stop, you and me KNOW that Koichi is too good for this manga. Skycrawler is better off fight a threat of his level...like GOD.

                                                                      Also, LOL to thing the TV wouldn't cut the fed when the weather woman started going off script. Yes, we have plenty of examples of media employees challenging their corporate script.

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                                                                        That's the most profound weather girl I've ever seen.

                                                                        [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
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                                                                          The forecast for today is cloudy with a chance for anarchocommunism.

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                                                                            @pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                                            @Nectar stop, you and me KNOW that Koichi is too good for this manga. Skycrawler is better off fight a threat of his level...like GOD.

                                                                            Also, LOL to thing the TV wouldn't cut the fed when the weather woman started going off script. Yes, we have plenty of examples of media employees challenging their corporate script.

                                                                            Koichi's gonna save this arc. Or the students. Honestly, I have no idea where we're going from here. Only Spinner's been defeated so far and there's a chance Kurogiri can bring Mr. Compress and Gigantomachia back. Who's gonna fight the baddies with most of the top heros injured or at their physical limit?

                                                                            And then there's the prison escapees. Forgot about them. I applaud Horikoshi for going in a different direction but I feel like most of what happened this arc doesn't matter.

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                                                                              One does wonder how Toya's body hasn't turned to ash by now.

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                                                                                OK, I like this more. Stage is being set for the real matchups. The first fights felt off anyway.

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                                                                                  @zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                                                  I don't think so. A lot of things are better when looking back or when read in bulk which is really the effect people have for Naruto and Bleach and the worst parts of One Piece. Naruto and Bleach had the advantage of having really, really high highs for many years so the fanbase give them the leeway and because they cling tightly to their own emotional attachment to the series (because they grew up with it or whatever), they overlook and give the series way too much leeway for the shit writing they pull in their declining years.
                                                                                  This is the same thing with BnHa and Japan. It still ranks highly in ToC, the anime movies still sells, and people still buy their merchandise. Because the generation right now is us who were reading Naruto and Bleach back then. Obviously it is a lower number but it still is a significant demographic. Longer years doesn't mean shit, more breaks doesn't mean more either if the author can't plan ahead, refuse to stop pandering and stop relying on tropes. Even if you give BnHa 10 more years, this will still be where the series characters end up, albeit with a larger more disposable gallery to use.

                                                                                  I agree things are generally better on bulk read, but I still feel like there was a definite "jump" in character moments that really wasn't well built up.

                                                                                  Just compare how character moments were handled in the first war arc to this war(especially in comparison to Shoji and Koda). In the first war, there were characters who just did cool things who didn't need character set up like Mirko, but also, you had other characters like Kaminari, Mina, Tokoyami, Momo and Kirishima who had really natural character moments that effortlessly built off what was already shown with those characters with only minimal context needing to be added.

                                                                                  Its fine to have side characters just do a cool thing, but having them have a multi chapter long focus where you pretty much have to inform their entire character in a handful of chapters after they've been irrelevant nearly the entire story is not terribly natural, especially considering how MHA has used side characters before. Like, I still like what was done with Shoji as a character, but I do think it was very clunky for all of it just to be dumped in one moment, when they were never suggested at having more interesting characterization before this point. I feel like that could definitely have been better set up considering how thematically relevant their "moment" actually is to the overall message of the series.

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                                                                                  Naruto pulled the same thing with the 4th war too, introduced a whole cast of whatever ninjas and have us suffer through their whatever fights whereas the side characters took a back seat except for the popular ones. Bleach had a whole arsenal of captains and sub captains to use but Kubo always use the more popular ones and has shown strong favourism to always use the same old characters. He also can't develop and write the main Karakura town crew without shooting himself in the foot. The fullbring arc is a good way to look into his performance as a writer when he has none of what made the series popular to rely on. You needed to be really drunk to have taken any of that as good writing or to even enjoy it.

                                                                                  I think this is different from that, because there aren't really any new characters being spotlighted or introduced this arc. All the characters who are recieving major moments thus far have always been in the manga, and have to a greater or lesser extent always been hyped up collectively. I just think that more could have been done to build up the context for these characters naturally rather than it just being dumped all at once.

                                                                                  Also, even just a chapter showing off training and development could have been decently effectively. Even a montage like chapter 256 would have worked. For example, last time we saw Shoji, the last improvement in ability he had was purely for tracking abilities. There was nothing in there suggesting he'd be able to go toe to toe with a building hopping monster like Spinner. Its rather jarring.

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                                                                                    @JazzMazz oh yeah I understand how this is different. I'm just saying both have pretty bad ways of handling their side characters and their gallery. The problem is MnHa as compared to Naruto + Bleach is that even when the other two series side characters are badly handled, their mains still shine pretty well (less Sakura). Like in Naruto there's Madara, Itachi, Kakashi and I'll even argue that Obito is more iconic/memorable than Shiragaki, even better written. Out of all the new ones, I like Miriko and that's about it, really. The new villains were pretty bad too. Stars and Stripes was new ...she's a meme now. But you are right : best jeanist was introduced early but it being introduced early doesn't necessarily mean that the character has weight to the readers. Nobody..I mean, nobody really cares? Midnight was introduced super early but then she died so, that's a thing. There's also this dude that died back then saving Endeavour who's supposed to make shields or something...it's a scene, I guess.

                                                                                    But now do I see your point : if BnHa actually has the Naruto years to work with, it will be able to develop characters like Best Jeanist and Midnight! Yeah, in the hands of another author maybe. I'm not being mean or anything but that's how Horikoshi has been operating since the Mafia arc or Bakugou vs Deku. He has little to no direction and is constantly relying on tropes + his precedents. If we compare let's say Best Jeanist and Midnight to characters like Guy, Asuma and Bee, why is one better and the other not as good (not as memorable)? It's never in the number of years/panels but rather in the execution. No way am I saying Naruto is this superior series (Yamato and Sai exist) but rather their relationships with other characters (main cast) that makes their presence shine. Gran Torino was a good way to evoke some character emotion that was never executed, and I loved the Mirio + Nighteye combination too. Endeavor's relationship with other characters is one of the better parts of the series ( getting really draaawn out by now). So you see my point, it's never "oh this guy does this big flashy attack with this flashback this chapter" so he's cool but rather how he acts + what he does or not do that impact the other characters we care about. Spinner's whole beef with Shoji only exist if you think deeper about it and felt terribly shoehorned in (because it is) as both characters had no meaningful relationship with each other and Shoji suffers even less development than Spinner. You mentioned training montage but that's generic and can be applied to anyone, since this is a case of discrimination + mutant hate...maybe something more relatable would have helped. The montage was just another one of those "ill draw something for this guy that is whatever" from Horikoshi.

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                                                                                      it will be able to develop characters like Best Jeanist and Midnight!

                                                                                      Vigilantes did develop Midnight, and Aizawa for that matter. And Mic and Shirakumo.

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                                                                                        @zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                                                        @JazzMazz oh yeah I understand how this is different. I'm just saying both have pretty bad ways of handling their side characters and their gallery. The problem is MnHa as compared to Naruto + Bleach is that even when the other two series side characters are badly handled, their mains still shine pretty well (less Sakura). Like in Naruto there's Madara, Itachi, Kakashi and I'll even argue that Obito is more iconic/memorable than Shiragaki, even better written. Out of all the new ones, I like Miriko and that's about it, really. The new villains were pretty bad too. Stars and Stripes was new ...she's a meme now. But you are right : best jeanist was introduced early but it being introduced early doesn't necessarily mean that the character has weight to the readers. Nobody..I mean, nobody really cares? Midnight was introduced super early but then she died so, that's a thing. There's also this dude that died back then saving Endeavour who's supposed to make shields or something...it's a scene, I guess.

                                                                                        But now do I see your point : if BnHa actually has the Naruto years to work with, it will be able to develop characters like Best Jeanist and Midnight! Yeah, in the hands of another author maybe. I'm not being mean or anything but that's how Horikoshi has been operating since the Mafia arc or Bakugou vs Deku. He has little to no direction and is constantly relying on tropes + his precedents. If we compare let's say Best Jeanist and Midnight to characters like Guy, Asuma and Bee, why is one better and the other not as good (not as memorable)? It's never in the number of years/panels but rather in the execution. No way am I saying Naruto is this superior series (Yamato and Sai exist) but rather their relationships with other characters (main cast) that makes their presence shine. Gran Torino was a good way to evoke some character emotion that was never executed, and I loved the Mirio + Nighteye combination too. Endeavor's relationship with other characters is one of the better parts of the series ( getting really draaawn out by now). So you see my point, it's never "oh this guy does this big flashy attack with this flashback this chapter" so he's cool but rather how he acts + what he does or not do that impact the other characters we care about. Spinner's whole beef with Shoji only exist if you think deeper about it and felt terribly shoehorned in (because it is) as both characters had no meaningful relationship with each other and Shoji suffers even less development than Spinner. You mentioned training montage but that's generic and can be applied to anyone, since this is a case of discrimination + mutant hate...maybe something more relatable would have helped. The montage was just another one of those "ill draw something for this guy that is whatever" from Horikoshi.

                                                                                        Yeah I completely agree with this. I think that character connections as well as characters actually doing things that stick out in peoples mind is definitely more beneficial for making more memorable characters than simply basic personalities.

                                                                                        I think thats sort of what my suggestion was relating to. Have the characters do something memorable or stand out in some way in advance of them having these big multi chapter focused mini arcs. I think my suggestions were trying to get at potential ways to do that (being involved or doing something cool in an action scene is a potentially good way to make the character a bit more memorable, its
                                                                                        why someone like Mirko, despite not having a ton of character, is still a perfectly memorable side character). But yeah, for Shoji, I think that the actual stuff shown was fine(for the most part, the actual resolution was a bit weak), but I feel like it would have been easier to invest in this struggle if it was a more consist part of the character, or if that intentional flashback showing Shoji's backstory was actually shown much earlier in the story as a prelude to revealing that "mutant discrimination exists and is still a problem with hero society", which would then be resolved like 200 chapters later. Right now, I like what Shoji got, but it all feels very bunched up, and it feels a little disappointing because we know this is the final arc and we'll never get to see Shoji do anything really ever again.

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                                                                                          Punished Uraraka incoming
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                                                                                            Things are looking dire for the Gunga Team. Thank goodness Koichi and the international heroes are (hopefully) on their way.

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                                                                                              @Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

                                                                                              Things are looking dire for the Gunga Team. Thank goodness Koichi and the international heroes are (hopefully) on their way.
                                                                                              God no, that would be awful.

                                                                                              You can't just pull characters from another series in randomly to help resolve the main final conflict.

                                                                                              Its okay to introduce new bad guys in a final arc, or reintroducing old characters, but introducing complete new characters with no set up as a major part MID WAY through the final conflict is just not a good idea by any metric and I don't understand why people want this.

                                                                                              It would literally just be doing the lowest common demoninator crap of appealing to the nostalgia for a less popular seres.

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                                                                                                Heh, the less popular series is miles ahead in terms of good writing.

                                                                                                But contrary to Nectar, the chance for Koichi to appear was missed. I wouldn't want to sully him with the trash that is the main series.

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                                                                                                  Ever since Star And Stripe's sudden appearance, I have no doubt Horikoshi wouldn't do the same for Koichi. Not saying it's a good thing (It's not. Would've been better seeing Star visit U.A. earlier in the series), just saying Horikoshi has no problem injecting any character he wants at anytime and maybe throwing in a quick flashback if they're about to die to try to make the audience feel sad about them.

                                                                                                  Also, with the final arc comprising of only "true heroes", those who are willing to stay the course even when public opinion and the odds are against them, I find it odd only Star And Stripe tries helping Japan. Especially, with Koichi and Captain Celebrity out there. Sure, I'd take them longer to get to Japan but I don't see them, and possibly a good chunk of prominent international heroes from the movies sitting on the sidelines. I'm not saying they'll takeover the story, but they'll provide much needed help for the main series cast.

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                                                                                                    My Hero Academia live action film update. Legendary Entertainment and Netflix are producing. Shinsuke Sato directing and screenplay by Joby Harold.

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                                                                                                      Patiently waiting for Dwayne Johnson to be cast as All Might.

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                                                                                                        Why a movie and not a tv series

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