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Sure, Deku's dominating now, but once All For Shiggy gets access to his quirks it's a new ballgame. Deku's doing good but I wish we'd seen him struggle more to master all this quirks. He worked for every inch of power in the beginning but Hori just stopped doing that.
And put me on board for Spinner having a copy of the All For One quirk. Unless he's just gonna break out Gigantomachia and he's the real Ace up AFO's sleeve.
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I think Spinner was out to free Kurogiri.
@pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
I think Spinner was out to free Kurogiri.
Too bad. I'd hoped they'd deprogrammed him. Or maybe he'll see the light after freeing Shiggy.
I've felt like they've spent too long on Shigaraki. I'd be pleased if that last panel means that other narratives will finally get focus again.
@Nectar Woof, those are BOTH things I hope we are THOROUGHLY done with in this story: Yet ANOTHER copy of the broken do-anything-the-author-wants AFO, and the unstoppable momentum-vacuum juggernaut Giganto X-D
I was hoping Gigantomachia would ultimately be defeated by the bulk of Class A as a show of their endgame strength and teamwork. But that's not happening.
New chapter out. I quite liked it, with the Modern Superhero Story Caveat that while using excessive force, the villains points are so valid that they need to be somehow addressed later or the chapter will retroactively be rendered limp.
It will be addressed: as having the mutant students being the "good" cops, but cops nonetheless.
I liked the chapter. Probably would have preferred the one taking on them being a new mutant to create the interesting dynamic of the heroes protecting society(as they should) and the marginalized trying to make themselves suffering heard (which I think is a fair response to it). Having the opposition also be a kid mutant create that odd feeling about the lesson about how you should just take the high road until you find the nice people that are accepting you which is one I've never been the biggest fan of.
Japanese making social commentary have a tendency of doing:"Society is flawed, but if you only made a bit more effort to "fit in" it wouldn't suck as much."
Mutant Massacre by Nathaniel Essex now on sale.
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"The Great Jeda Purge" Heteromorphs got Order 66'd in the past?
Good chapter. FINALLY we're addressing heteromorph discrimination. But like someone else said, I'm not confident it's resolution, if any, will be salifying.
And by the look of Spinner, All For One probably put a bunch of quirks in him. Ole Spinner may not survive the series.
Tentacole is getting some depth to his character? Sato, where you at?
That's a face a mother could love.
More or less echoing what's already been stated. Nice to see the mutant situation brought up, but it's gonna rely entirely on the resolution whether this falls flat or not.
On the upside, Tentacole! Finally! I find him one of the more interesting students so I'm glad he's getting his moment before the series ends.
Really liked the last two chapters.
I hate when Deku goes into his messiah complex and started yelling "I will not forgive you", so I really disliked when Shoji spouted the same stuff. But CCC's translation went a different way and I am gladly taking it.
Shigaraki being a LoL player pretty much explains everything about his character.
I really liked this chapter and tentacule guy being I have a mask not so much because childhood trauma but because I dont want others to define me by them either for revenge or making up for it. I just want to be treated normal. And generally this chapter felt less preachy about the right way but rather showing a different way.
Spinner himself continue to be disapointing existence.
Spinner has always been a tool so it's not really surprising to see him act like one until the end.
I'm infinitely confused as to why, though?! It's not as if heteromorph discrimination isn't an interesting story thread to pull at. And it's not as if Spinner doesn't DESPERATELY need something--ANYTHING--to make him interesting like his fellow villains (or just interesting at all). Square peg, square hole, right?!
But just like the My Villain Academia training arc (where Spinner was the only one to not evolve or develop whatsoever), Hori refuses to give Spinner any development to become a real character. In fact, Hori set this storyline up so well--mutant discrimination coming to a head with ordinary everyday people who are so fed up with it that they're willing to throw their lots in with the main mutant villain because he's making their voices heard--that he's now WORKING HARDER to undo it by making Spinner look like a complete dope and utter joke.
Why?!!!!!! Is it really cause he just f**king hates the character of Spinner that much?
Worse, because he wrote it in such a way that Heteromorph people--who by all accounts seem to have legitimate issues because of the way they're mistreated for a part of them they have no control over--are inadvertently tying their genuine cause to an oversized literally-drooling idiot, Hori makes their entire movement look like a complete farce because it's being headed up by a vacuous, feckless dumbass!
There are like two black characters in this entire manga and the one hero Hori decided to have take the heat by the heteremorphs for not understanding what it means to be racially discriminated is the black dude lol.
Spinner still spinning
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@TLC said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
There are like two black characters in this entire manga and the one hero Hori decided to have take the heat by the heteremorphs for not understanding what it means to be racially discriminated is the black dude lol.
Who's black? Is this an anime thing? They all seem light skinned to me, other than the pink girl.
So Spinner played LoL. That certainly explains.
Best chapter in a while. I like the mention of things being different outside cities, and that the guy who stands against the villains isn't a city boy. If this ended with someone from the city speaking over the villains I'd be pissed. Guess the chapter resonated with the villager in me, hah. Definitely not a topic I ever thought I'd see in a manga but it's nice to see it brought up.
I really liked the flashback about focusing on the one good memory. Shoji feels like the kinda guy I'd wanna meet and have a chat with.
Downside is Spinner. He's been downgraded so badly he has to have a nobody speak for him. I think I get what the story is going for but "becoming a true monster" feels like the cheap way out (though it does portray well how screwed up AfO is). These are the one group of villains with a legitimate cause, and Spinner was the one person on the OG villain team who felt most rounded. This is the fight where I expected a verbal match - a clash of wills.
But regardless, I did like the chapter and it's a breath of fresh air. It can still take a turn for the worse but for now I'm somewhat positive it might have a good resolution.
I wonder if Spinner's downfall will be essentially Demon Slayer's Upper Moon First.
I want to see Koda use his powers on more than bugs and birds, but I guess you wouldn't easily find an elephant or a tiger around.
Anime talk: Great episode! I'm been keeping my expectations low since last season but I was really impressed. The Decay attack was a heart stopping scene even if I knew what was gonna happen.
Manga: Liking this arc. Again, the only problem I have is Horikoshi saving character development until the very end. No hero reacting to Giant Fox Woman saying she was turned away from another shelter really annoyed me.
Interesting seeing Koda go through a transformation. I hope it's not just so he can now use his power to sway the rioters.
@Zar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
Best chapter in a while. I like the mention of things being different outside cities, and that the guy who stands against the villains isn't a city boy. If this ended with someone from the city speaking over the villains I'd be pissed. Guess the chapter resonated with the villager in me, hah. Definitely not a topic I ever thought I'd see in a manga but it's nice to see it brought up.
I really liked the flashback about focusing on the one good memory. Shoji feels like the kinda guy I'd wanna meet and have a chat with.
Downside is Spinner. He's been downgraded so badly he has to have a nobody speak for him. I think I get what the story is going for but "becoming a true monster" feels like the cheap way out (though it does portray well how screwed up AfO is). These are the one group of villains with a legitimate cause, and Spinner was the one person on the OG villain team who felt most rounded. This is the fight where I expected a verbal match - a clash of wills.
But regardless, I did like the chapter and it's a breath of fresh air. It can still take a turn for the worse but for now I'm somewhat positive it might have a good resolution.
Agreed about Hori taking the easy route with Spinner. I think of him as a tragic character who only wanted to do the right thing. A shame AFO took away his ability to choose his own path even if that meant dying for it.
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I think the point Horikoshi is making is reasonably potent, that political forces frequently stoke and ride the anger of the masses for their own gain. Making Spinner into a big stupid brute who can be easily controlled is a great way of silencing the actual opinions of the symbol/figurehead. It's definitely tragic, but it makes a ton of sense from AfO's perspective.
Earlier, we saw Spinner uncomfortable about being pushed into the public eye as a symbol for heteromorphs. As much as he was ostracized, we mainly saw Spinner looking for companionship from Shigaraki and the others. AfO simply capitalized on Spinner's desire to be like Stain (a symbol) and his own feelings of powerlessness from the MVA and Raid arcs. I really don't think Spinner would be able to offer much in a "battle of wills" because he was always the one who had the most doubts about AfO and Shigaraki's greater plans. We've had hints of this anger at racism against heteromorphs in Spinner, but it was a secondary characteristic that played more into his desire for belonging and acceptance.
So I think this works well as a plot development because AfO gets to use Spinner for his own gain while also removing a source of friendship for Shigaraki. Spinner, as maybe the least villainous League of Villains member, becomes an object of our pity and a much more concrete symbol of AfO's evil than any of his large-scale plans. I find it to be an effective form of telling this tragedy, even if the sudden focus on Shoji is a bit abrupt.
@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
Anime talk: Great episode! I'm been keeping my expectations low since last season but I was really impressed. The Decay attack was a heart stopping scene even if I knew what was gonna happen.
I'm planning on binge watching but I noticed that this in particular was making its rounds around social media. Glad to hear and looking forward to it!
Definitely the best chapter in a while. Koda needs to take that lie-spewer down.
@Sirxxx said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
Worse, because he wrote it in such a way that Heteromorph people--who by all accounts seem to have legitimate issues because of the way they're mistreated for a part of them they have no control over--are inadvertently tying their genuine cause to an oversized literally-drooling idiot, Hori makes their entire movement look like a complete farce because it's being headed up by a vacuous, feckless dumbass!
I think that's the point? Spinner was always portrayed as this shut-in who never really cared about social issues despite his background, only Shigaraki's will, so the whole thing comes off as manipulative because AfO took advantage of it.
If anything, it's setting up Shoji as a far better leader.
I gotta do a shout-out to how GOOD the art is this chapter. Every emotion is perfectly captured (on non-human faces no less), the flow is good and even the action is easy to follow. The chapter knows when to breathe and let you linger in the moment. I love every page.
And I will never get over how stupidly talented Horikoshi is at drawing hands.
Which ain't easy, I'm told. I hear the only thing harder to draw is horses.
I liked everything in the last 2 chapters except for that horrible "you're about to set us back 30 years". This is the worst line i've read in all of this manga.
I am fully digging this side plot.
Also, I’m not reading this wrong, Koda is totally into Shoji, isn’t he?
Three Stooges
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"Fall in line with society or your children may get targeted next"
Truly a touching message
Hori's themes have always fell flat for me from the start of the series because they have no real conviction or message behind them. They are just window dressing to make the series seem deeper and darker than just kids with superpowers. Whereas the series imo was best when it just focused on superheros and supervillains. But I guess a simple series would not have sold nearly as well
The problem is that he's really just not understanding or sympathizing with his characters whom suffer under society's institutionalized and socialized bigotry. The series should be about the League of Villains destroying the people who run the institutions (both public and private) that cause their suffering so that they can be replaced by better systems that support them. Instead the series is painting these marginalized people as villains or misguided souls harming 'innocent civilians', which is something that a well-organized group wouldn't do.
There's just no agency at play here and the series has for far too long drug its feet by allowing All For One to continue to manipulate everyone.
That's part of my attraction towards the "My Villain Academia" part of story.
Not only was it badass and fresh to get a whole arc with the league as protagonists,
but it also felt VERY right to put them there in the first place.
I enjoyed rooting for them, and I sympathized with most of their struggles.
I hope Shirakumo is in control, but I don't see Shigaraki escaping without help from Kurogiri.
I have no idea what was going on the last 5 pages or so.
@KageKageKing said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
I have no idea what was going on the last 5 pages or so.
I'm sure it's gonna be explained in another flashback dump like in this chapter. Getting more annoyed with them. There has to be a better way to convey information.
LAME-O
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"...to change those who inflict harm...until they find themselves ashamed of their cruelty."
I have yet to see some a ridiculously naïve solution to racism.
@pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
LAME-O
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1014696"...to change those who inflict harm...until they find themselves ashamed of their cruelty."
I have yet to see some a ridiculously naïve solution to racism.
Horikoshi needs to watch Kamen Rider BLACK SUN 'cause this is OOF bad.
Everyone thinks they know the answer. This is just bad writing. I'd be pleased if this is over. I respect the attempt, but this dialogue and overall handling of discrimination is not only last minute to an extent, but also generic and lazy. I sensed this was the way like 3-4 chapters back. I assumed going away from Deku would be a breath of fresh air, but this has been hard to read. I fully understand what the intention is, but this not it.
I think the Spinner stuff has been pretty effective, but yeah the resolution to the racial violence is rather trite. That kind of thing is rather difficult to write effectively when it's suddenly shifted to the forefront after never getting that much focus, so I wasn't really expecting much.
I still appreciate the side plot even if the conclusion was what just the empty moralistic preach anyone could have seen coming.
You can't fully address racism in five chapters. You need a whole series.
