I suggest we drop this topic before the mods lock this thread.
Let's move to another one, does Deku need therapy?
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The LOV goals are more like Blackbeards than anything in the real world.
Their entire plan is
step 1: Beat heros
step 2: Take over society with force and reinstate AFOs mafia
step 3: ???
step 4: ProfitAttempts to make them sympathetic fall as flat for me as the forced scene where Stain took action where others were frozen in fear and that was meant to show Stain was actually a very impressive guy
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I suggest we drop this topic before the mods lock this thread.
Let's move to another one, does Deku need therapy?Toga is the one that needs therapy. A serial killer and murderer is now asking if it's okay for heroes to kill villains like them. A good reminder that she was always fucked up in her head. She should take a page from Daby and just enjoy the moment.
Also, All Might will have a lot to explain once this is all over. It was a given OFA and AFO were always the same quirk, named after their original users. But as Bakugou said well, sooner or later the truth will be known all over the UA.
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As Bakugo notice in the previous chapter, or the one before that, Deku takes everything into account except his own well being. That's not a healthy outlook for a 16 yo.
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As Bakugo notice in the previous chapter, or the one before that, Deku takes everything into account except his own well being. That's not a healthy outlook for a 16 yo.
He's always done that. Dear reminder that Deku would have completely destroyed his body had not been for Eri's quirk in the fight against Overhaul. And prior to that, that time where he crippled his arm vs Muscular.
He never worried about his well being if it meant to save someone.
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He's always done that. Dear reminder that Deku would have completely destroyed his body had not been for Eri's quirk in the fight against Overhaul. And prior to that, that time where he crippled his arm vs Muscular.
He never worried about his well-being if it meant to save someone.
Yes, and that's not healthy. You die to save one person that's it, you save a person with out dying and you live to save others. A hero should evaluate when needed to cut the losses and not go madlad Deku every time, except with Gentle. He's already bound to permanently cripple his arms.
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And while all the destruction is undergoing, the scary question comes out. What are their parents doing ATM. What must be going through Deku's mom mind while her dear son has already been at death's door several times just in this arc alone.
Honestly, the thought of not knowing where your loved ones are, or even if they're alive amidst all that chaos, is perhaps the most terrifying thing in the world.
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The civil death toll is gonna be so damn high with all of these buildings coming down.
The fallout from this arc, especially when Shiggy gets away (as AFO is now encouraging him to do), is gonna drive the heroes even further over the social cliff.
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If Dabi is setting things with Skeptic I beat is that showing whatever happened between Hawks and Jeanist, Hawks killing Twice and Dabi's reveal. Which will add to the already mentioned fallout of this arc.
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Honestly, at this point it won't be a shock to learn Dabi's true identity. But of course, the payoff to that will come later.
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The problem is that Horikawa doesn't really seem to buy into authoritarianism (the heroes) as being wrong. There's not enough of a strong depiction of the 'villains' as being the protagonists: Toga, Jin, and Mag-nee are victims of a broken system. They're an allegory for the real world's marginalized people. Hell, Mag-nee IS a real world marginalized person: she is a trans woman who turned to crime to survive. The hero Tiger is reward with being a 'proper citizen' by being able to transition, Mag-nee is punished by not being allowed to transition. It's an extremely transphobic message and goes to show Horikawa and JUMP editorial are only thinking about making sure the children reading this comic are good little soldiers for authority when they grow up.
I was wondering what made me so mad that it made me write that, now I know. That was wrong, man. Like, really wrong.
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The civil death toll is gonna be so damn high with all of these buildings coming down.
The fallout from this arc, especially when Shiggy gets away (as AFO is now encouraging him to do), is gonna drive the heroes even further over the social cliff.
Looking forward to seeing if Hori is prepared to follow through with shaking things up.And with so many dead and injured heroes too. The game has changed forever. I haven't been this excited to see a next arc since One Piece's 2-year time skip.
If Dabi is setting things with Skeptic I beat is that showing whatever happened between Hawks and Jeanist, Hawks killing Twice and Dabi's reveal. Which will add to the already mentioned fallout of this arc.
Not sure about Hawks and Jeanist (since I think he's alive), but revealing video of Hawks killing Twice would be a huge F.U. to the Hero Safety Commission.
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The odds aren't looking good for Gran Torino, as well. And who knows how many of the ranked heroes are going to make it at the end.
Whatever, the conclusion was foreboding. Regardless of how many will live to fight the next time, this huge conflict marks the end of the Hero Society.
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Are we reading the same series? One could’ve predicted these events a long time ago. I don’t think that Horikoshi is some weird authoritarian. Think about how society will react to these events.
This is the worst terrorist event ever seen in Japan in modern history. Gigantomachia has laid waste to cities and civilians — and he’s not even finished.
Shigaraki has become the symbol of terror, all for AFO to take him down and reassert his dominance over the world.
Even better, the news media will clearly exploit the connection between Shigaraki being the abandoned grandson of Nana Shimura. It will tarnish All Might’s name… as he failed to protect the person he should’ve cared for the most.
The hero system will be dismantled as the news recognizes it as child paramilitarism. Deku will go to London to complete his training, but will be broken as he couldn’t protect anyone close to him.
Ochaco is in real danger right now.
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It always seemed like Nana was an unknown hero to me.
Deku is definitely going to need to rewire his thinking. The previous chapter he was even thinking that this quirk solely exists to fight AFO. Which originally wasn't his goal when he took on the mantel. The other problem is that OFA is so unique and powerful he needs to be a bit less reckless cause if he dies all that power basically goes poof.
I mostly just want this arc to end cause the aftermath has a ton of stuff to unpack.
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Pretty much analogous to Indra vs Asura situation.
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Everything is political and we should be critical of the manner in which entertainment media is used to educate and re-enforce negative stereotypes and ideologies, most especially in children's series such as HeroAca. If Horikoshi is trying to send home an entire authoritarian message he's doing a pretty sloppy job of it in how there hasn't been a concrete declaration of such a theme and our protagonists are still out here working as paramilitary child soldiers for a state that does not take care of its mentally ill and other marginalized peoples.
Obviously, I have some stake in this. I'm not only a someone who suffers from multiple mental illnesses, I'm a trans woman. If a children's comic is going to use people like me I believe it is entirely appropriate to hold it to the standard that it must not only be respectful education to children and adult readers. At nearly 300 chapters into the series the story had done enough twiddling of its thumbs that it should have made clear and concise statements on its messages. Unfortunately we have a randomly, hyper-violently murdered trans woman in one hand, a mentally ill man dead without ever getting treatment and a mentally ill high school girl being set up for who knows what.
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Everything is political
No, it's not. Reality is reality, and fiction is fiction. The author isn't attempting to send a message to the masses, and more specifically to the children, he's just telling his story as he conceived it. Meanwhile you're making a poor effort at trying to shove stereotypes and looking for things you deem as offensive, no different than the so called white knights, whose borderline obsession to make everything political backfired in their faces as the "controversial" things they tried so hard to silence only gained more attention even from people who weren't interested in. Proper education, my ass. You're just trying to turn this into a political debate mess and take personal offense at a work of FICTION about super heroes.
I'll stop there. Don't wanna risk getting the thread locked.
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To side track a little even though this thread is obviously trying to go the other way,
over analyzing and obsession can be a very subjective thing. You might think others are over analyzing a piece of work or a chapter but this is not so for the person because it could hold significant meaning to them.
Likewise, there's a fine line with, say someone in the story-telling industry or have a certain depth of knowledge about a topic criticizing it (because how verse he/she is on it) vs needlessly being a pain in the ass.Anyway, the "romanticism"/"make it cool for the sales" of mental health has been an ongoing thing in shounen/more popular manga series. I mean I can only name one which was Tokyo Ghoul and that aspect spiraled into a mess.
Shounen tend to always do that and it can become annoying when you have more mature series who does it insanely well.For good or bad, being attached to characters in a fictional story means readers have certain expectations and relatability to them.
You can't throw character aspects in to attract certain readers and then backtrack or betray said traits and expect people to be ok with it.Honestly I'm more of a "it's just fiction, I'll take the good parts and ignore the rest" but I understand why people invest in certain aspects and what it can mean, especially when Hero have a huge influence in current day.
Thanks for giving me 5 seconds and that's all I have to say.
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No, it's not. Reality is reality, and fiction is fiction. The author isn't attempting to send a message to the masses, and more specifically to the children, he's just telling his story as he conceived it. Meanwhile you're making a poor effort at trying to shove stereotypes and looking for things you deem as offensive, no different than the so called white knights, whose borderline obsession to make everything political backfired in their faces as the "controversial" things they tried so hard to silence only gained more attention even from people who weren't interested in. Proper education, my ass. You're just trying to turn this into a political debate mess and take personal offense at a work of FICTION about super heroes.
I'll stop there. Don't wanna risk getting the thread locked.
I find it hilarious how your reply is both triggering and baiting and then you pass the baton back to Julie by taking the higher ground saying you are the one willing to stop.
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To side track a little even though this thread is obviously trying to go the other way,
over analyzing and obsession can be a very subjective thing. You might think others are over analyzing a piece of work or a chapter but this is not so for the person because it could hold significant meaning to them.
Likewise, there's a fine line with, say someone in the story-telling industry or have a certain depth of knowledge about a topic criticizing it (because how verse he/she is on it) vs needlessly being a pain in the ass.Anyway, the "romanticism"/"make it cool for the sales" of mental health has been an ongoing thing in shounen/more popular manga series. I mean I can only name one which was Tokyo Ghoul and that aspect spiraled into a mess.
Shounen tend to always do that and it can become annoying when you have more mature series who does it insanely well.For good or bad, being attached to characters in a fictional story means readers have certain expectations and relatability to them.
You can't throw character aspects in to attract certain readers and then backtrack or betray said traits and expect people to be ok with it.Honestly I'm more of a "it's just fiction, I'll take the good parts and ignore the rest" but I understand why people invest in certain aspects and what it can mean, especially when Hero have a huge influence in current day.
Thanks for giving me 5 seconds and that's all I have to say.
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I find it hilarious how your reply is both triggering and baiting and then you pass the baton back to Julie by taking the higher ground saying you are the one willing to stop.
Therefore, throwing the responsibility and fault back to her as if she's the one at fault if she stands up for herself.Wouldn't have replied if she, you know, didn't start throwing accusations of transphobia or authoritarianism so nonchalantly. Even when it has nothing to do with me, that was poorly worded.
Anyway, I agree with almost all you have written above.
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I'm gonna bite the bullet one last time, but trying to be apolitical as possible.
Nekketsu, text and subtext go hand in hand in a story, but an author only has total control of his text. That doesn't erase the presence of the subtext. I give one exemple of a creator being happy, that a group of people found a subtext in his work, that was not intended but that works in this way: https://thecowardlyescanor.tumblr.com/post/631864366096154624/penndragon-robot-voice-yay855I'm not familiar with other super hero mangas so I will take my exemples out of the big two.
Although, both in DC and Marvel heroes work alongside law enforcement, they don't work with law enforcement, mainly because being a hero is not a recognized profession.
They are praised when they do the job right and hated or shunned when they do a screw up. If I can recall correctly, there's hardly any hero endorsed merchandise, there's no monetary gain in the profession. Most heroes have jobs (and secret identities), Clark and Peter work/worked on journalism, Jessica Walters is a lawyer, while others are banked by being head of billion dollars industries like Stark, Wayne and Queen.Although there's young heroes, they are not trained and drilled into the duty, and this has been cause for trouble in two instances in Marvel, in the original civil war and now in the outlawed event. The only one's giving training to young supes are Xavier training mutants to control their power with no obligation to join the X-men (I could add the Massachusetts Academy, but Ms. Frost intent was create her on X-men) and Bruce Wayne and his multiple Robins. And with both cases they were criticized for put youngsters in the line of fire, even when they had their reasons.
The thing is, the more grey morality Hori try to add to his story, the less it looks like the Big Two his a big fan and more like Starship Troopers, where in comparison, you can be a civilian (and avoing using your quirk unlawfully) or serve your ambitions and country and become a hero (a citizen), and those that fail to match the criteria become enemies of the state.
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I'm gonna bite the bullet one last time, but trying to be apolitical as possible.
Nekketsu, text and subtext go hand in hand in a story, but an author only has total control of his text. That doesn't erase the presence of the subtext. I give one exemple of a creator being happy, that a group of people found a subtext in his work, that was not intended but that works in this way: https://thecowardlyescanor.tumblr.com/post/631864366096154624/penndragon-robot-voice-yay855Nice find, Pariston, I didn't know of such thing. That said, is dangerous to do this kind of thing in the long run, because the subtext can have many interpretations depending of the person.
Still, I find the accusations of authoritarism a tad too harsh. Magne joining the LOV didn't equal transphobia either, but who knows if that subject will eventually be touched upon at some point. It's not like this Hero System is flawless anyway.
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No, it's not. Reality is reality, and fiction is fiction. The author isn't attempting to send a message to the masses, and more specifically to the children, he's just telling his story as he conceived it. Meanwhile you're making a poor effort at trying to shove stereotypes and looking for things you deem as offensive, no different than the so called white knights, whose borderline obsession to make everything political backfired in their faces as the "controversial" things they tried so hard to silence only gained more attention even from people who weren't interested in. Proper education, my ass. You're just trying to turn this into a political debate mess and take personal offense at a work of FICTION about super heroes.
I'll stop there. Don't wanna risk getting the thread locked.
Damn, I wish I had the privilege of accusing others of just wanting to turn shit into 'debate messes' and 'taking personal offense' at 'FICTION'.
Sweetie, context matters. If this was a porn comic where the point was to jack off I wouldn't be making, what, a third post on the subject? This is a mainstream comic and a comic for kids, it's really something we can and should be critical of. How many ten year old trans girls are going to be reading this comic–or any other popular comic--and see a character like them casually be violently killed, while only ever being given a token "We love her!" after the fact of her death? Or struggle with mental health issues but then see those issues only embodied in the antagonists?
Obviously I can't make you care about people other than yourself but if I can impart any words of wisdom from eighteen years of forum posting: it's okay to hold powerful people accountable and media indoctrination is a thing that exists. This is why it's important to actively think about what we consume and create.
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Ahem, back to the topic.
As I was saying previously, Toga always has got a few screws loose. But that last page is foreboding, I dare say. Ochako is not that far, I fear for the worst if she and that psychotic maniac end up clashing.
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It's not like Machia is going to do a pit stop in it's run to Shigi.
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So, since a friend of mine linked me to this this thread and I see this "Oh, it's not political, stop saying this or that", I think this always comes from an extremely privileged mindset and also completely ignoring how a person's mindset can influence and impact a person's writing whenever something is written. J.K. Rowling's writing, for instance, is filled with anti-Semitism with how she describes the various elf like characters, as well as the stereo-types she employees here. There's a character which is "Trans" coded and not in a good way, and she focuses on how "grotesque" their "masculine" features are, which is absolutely not shocking given her political stance she has taken about LGBTQ+ issues on Twitter, including backpedaling a bit on her "Dumbledore is gay" stuff, as she refuses to explore it in her media.
While I understand this topic is mostly focusing on My Hero, I cannot like understate the importance of representation in media and how to portray characters. My Hero Academia, first-most, in Japan, is targeted towards Kids (it's an All Ages series airing late Afternoon, early evening, plus even some late night anime is targeted towards this demographic, but just has to rely on late slots due to not enough time slots). It airs next to Detective Conan, a show that their demographic goes all the way to pre-school level, notably with safety lesson videos and stuff, as well as shows for the pre-school audience. I still think these issues are important even in older targeted media, but it's especially true for stuff targeted towards All Ages.
When you have a core cast of male focused characters, as well as sexist and problematic traits in a series, it causes problems and "normalizes" certain behaviors. "Boys will be Boys" is something even is said in Japan to justify sexual harassment/assault with people in the classroom. There was a recent petition in Japan lead by men (with support by women), which goes into this a bit. The fact of the matter is, Kids see this behavior, and to them, it's normalized, and realize how they initially thought they could see the difference between "reality and fantasy", and as it turns out: They can't. Media is an extremely heavy influential piece that helps shape our views, for better or for worse. So promoting sexual assault as a joke, including spying on women's locker rooms, is normalized, and was a huge issue in Japanese schools from what I understood. It's why Mineta is a seriously problematic character and is in no way okay.
Getting into the whole issue: Seeing a Trans Character, who was fighting for their friends sake, as they were afraid to be out and open, and then just casually killed off, and only really shown characters took interest after their death, follows a long "trope" of "LGBTQ Characters Just Dying". This is more common with Trans characters, but as a whole, it's a problematic trope across all Queer characters in media. Queer characters just "can't have a happy ending", either due to being always alone, mental trauma, dying, and among issues, adding onto a lot of this tied into their orientation or gender identity. And then the character is just casually killed off, and to further add onto it, the treat the mis-gendering of them as a semi-joke afterwards.
Again, this stuff has consequences and is not a good thing to show kids who are struggling with their gender identity, especially with how kids as a whole don't have a lot of supports. "My Brother's Husband", though covers more the male gay side of things, explores how kids struggle with this in school and how they hate not being open about liking guys, or how they can't admit liking girlish things, and among other things. "Wandering Son" is also an extremely good series covering Trans issues, which depicts the cruelty and struggles Trans youth deal with in Japan, as well as the level of conformity they have to go through on top of social norms present in Japan. Both books hit hard on these issues and are, "Generally" positive on representing these issues.
My Hero, unfortunately, is not, and it's really unfortunate.
Look, I love My Hero, a lot. It does have some serious issues, though. That said, an author's view points, political views, etc., often come out hard on the work. Sometimes, it can be out of ignorance. Sometimes it's malicious. It's how I feel about One Piece nowadays with how freaking sexist and transphobic it has gotten, despite my love for it. Oda's views seemingly changed, and not for the better, and it's a freaking shame. It's also why I kinda wanna hope that the My Hero Academia author doesn't go down this rabbit hole, but there's been some concerning and potential worrying signs, notably the doctor's name that became a HUGE mess in Japan and China.
God, I hadn't logged in since forever and this was not the first post I expected to do here. But seriously, listen to LGBTQ+ and other minorities here when they take issue with the work and content in it. Nothing is above criticism. NOTHING. Especially if issues hit hard representing a community. I'm a Gay Cis Man, and honestly, it's always been so disappointing how many times the "EFFEMINATE MAN IS FUNNY, HAHA" jokes present in media just make my blood boil, and it's not something that I feel that is okay, at all. Especially as a gay man. I see it on the media here all the time, and it's definitely still a huge issue on Japanese media as well. This shit is NOT okay.
Ahem, back to the topic.
Yeah, this is not how you handle criticism. Walking away from a topic, while is still on topic, is not how you handle discussions like that. Me and Julie, two openly Queer members, are literally discussing how there are serious issues representing in My Hero, and how as a whole the media depicts and shapes people's views. It's still on topic, whether you like it or not.
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See? This is what I mean when I say people shouldn't associate reality with fiction, because it has a high tendency of going overboard. Society is flawed? Of course it is, in many forms over the centuries, and that has never changed. I will take action as any other common citizen if something is portrayed with a clear and unmistakable intention to offend someone or normalize certain behavior. But I will roll my eyes whenever I see people who cannot take a joke with no ill intent.
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It's worth mentioning that Magne wasn't the only trans character.
Tiger from the Pussycats is also trans, he was an assigned female from birth then went to Thailand to transition to his masuline body.
He's well-liked and a part of a successful hero team.But I do also agree that it always felt like Magne was a victim of the "bury your gays" trope (which applies to all LGBT).
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It's worth mentioning that Magne wasn't the only trans character.
Tiger from the Pussycats is also trans, he was an assigned female from birth then went to Thailand to transition to his masuline body.
He's well-liked and a part of a successful hero team.But I do also agree that it always felt like Magne was a victim of the "bury your gays" trope (which applies to all LGBT).
Tiger's transition is only mentioned in off-hand character notes and also framed as being a result of him being a Responsible Member of Society. The thing about that is even in reality there are despicable, privileged queer people who get to stand above the rest through either pre-established social standing (money, family) or through groveling their way up to be "one of the good ones."
But yeah, one terrible use of a queer character is not off-set by a 'good' queer character.
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notably the doctor's name that became a HUGE mess in Japan and China.
this was just because chinese nationalists were being stupid Hori didn't do anything wrong.
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this was just because chinese nationalists were being stupid Hori didn't do anything wrong.
If Japan wasn't dismissive about their war crimes I would agree totally, just like chinese nationalists try to boycott anything that acknowledges Taiwan.
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Kill la Kill is about how we sexualize the body, in particular the bodies of people assigned female at birth–the series isn't even sharp enough to really dig beyond cisnormitivity--so that's another political series right there. Ryuuko and Satsuki must constantly struggle for their right to control her own bodies. As a woman myself, that's a pretty relatable political sentiment. I imagine trans men and non-binary people also struggle with this. Society is constantly telling us what to do with our bodies because it is deeply rooted in misogyny. It really sucks.
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If Japan wasn't dismissive about their war crimes I would agree totally, just like chinese nationalists try to boycott anything that acknowledges Taiwan.
Hori should just thought of a better wood pun.if his intention was really to reference unit 731 wouldn't that be the opposite of being dismissive since it will bring attention to it.
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Where you see politics I only see entertainment created purely for my enjoyment, or not.
When it comes to media in any form the fandom is always the worst part of it. Boy, how I wish Twitter got nuked to oblivion, talk about hive mind.
You're not going to get any results from trying to silence things you deem as offensive to you, all the opposite in fact. And I'm talking from the experience.
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if his intention was really to reference unit 731 wouldn't that be the opposite of being dismissive since it will bring attention to it.
I don't think so, because there a remarkably difference in how things went. Dr. Shiro and the whole unit got pardoned by the US because they were interested in the result of the biological warfare tests. They criminals walked away, and opposed to the German approach of reprimand it's war criminals and the war crimes, Japan approach is deny or obfuscate the facts, they never fully comdem it.
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Media studies and media theory have existed for as long as there has been media. Twitter is simply a platform for people to discuss media theory on, no different than the fanzines or pubs of yore.
Dismissing media studies is in large part dismissing the experiences of the marginalized.
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I don't think so, because there a remarkably difference in how things went. Dr. Shiro and the whole unit got pardoned by the US because they were interested in the result of the biological warfare tests. They criminals walked away, and opposed to the German approach of reprimand it's war criminals and the war crimes, Japan approach is deny or obfuscate the facts, they never fully comdem it.
ok? what does that have to do with what i said.
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ok? what does that have to do with what i said.
It don't bring focus, at least not to the target audience. Is just kinda naming your crazy scientist that does human experimentation Menguele un-ironicaly.
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It don't bring focus, at least not to the target audience. Is just kinda naming your crazy scientist that does human experimentation Menguele un-ironicaly.
it doesn't really matter if it actually brings focus or not, i just don't think it can be considered dismissive or "problematic" or anything like that.
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it doesn't really matter if it actually brings focus or not, i just don't think it can be considered dismissive or "problematic' or anything like that.
But it is offensive to those that have family member that survived these experiments, such as the chinese and koreans.
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But it is offensive to those that have family member that survived these experiments, such as the chinese and koreans.
It's like produce "Spring time for Hitler" in a serious manner, and expect the jews, catholic poles, slavs, roma, homosexuals and physical and mentally disable people to not take offense in using the imagery or name in a non condemning way.the character being named is literally an evil scientist who experiments on people, how is it non condemning? also spring time for hitler? really? talk about reaching.
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the character being named is literally an evil scientist who experiments on people, how is it non condemning? also spring time for hitler? really? talk about reaching.
We no Dr. Ujiko is a monster, people in the story know he is a monster, but Hori by ignorance or choice choose to name him in an allusion to a war crime. Naming a monster after a monstruos act is not equal to condem the act, is more akin to a dark sense of humor. In the same fashion Kubo made de quince army dress like SS soldiers, out of ignorance or deliberate choice. The fact the the enemy of the heroes are dressed akin to war criminals does not condem the war criminals, or the characters themselves.
Like I said earlier, a better wood pun could have avoided it altogether.And yeah, Spring time for Hitler, I can't think out of the top of my of another instance in major western culture were some fictional character tried to play a straight homenaje to a war criminal.
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In the same fashion Kubo made de quince army dress like SS soldiers, out of ignorance or deliberate choice.
Just to add the uniforms themselves didn't look especially SS-like. It's the needless German terminology that added to it more.
And I think there was nothing especially wrong with it. Censorship was one of the tools of the regime the SS army, for example, had served. Of course, there's always a fine line of good taste but people complain too much about anything these days. Not sure it's always a good idea to give in and make alterations.
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The doctor thing was, at the very least, in poor taste and tone-deaf, making the change and giving an apology was the natural thing to do. People, of course , can believe his apology or not, but there really isn´t anything else Hori could do about that.
Talking about the series itself, I am wondering if after this arc is over MHA will get the shippuden treatment, just a regular time skip or no time-skip at all.
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Nothing is above criticism but everything is to be approached with understanding.
An author will not be able to check all the list and satisfy all the different political viewpoints.Depicting something as good means that something else will is bad. There's no way to go around it, you can't satisfy both parties.
There's no sage like writer out there that is going to get every character right but just what society perceived feels right.
Breakthrough stories always break fictional troupes(Hunter, Thrones) and they work because fictional troupes can be mistaken ideals in the first place.
Our world doesn't even have all the answers to issues that has plague us for years. Expecting a fictional series to do that is fine because ideally stories paint a perfect world.
But stories are crafted from humans who are filled with flaws and bias, there should be some degree of understanding there.
You can fault the guy and at best call him ignorance but labelling him feels like it's too much especially when you considering his eastern environment.Horikoshi un/intentionally misrepresented mental health (I'm not sure if it even is misrepresented as much as misaligned) and did a certain LGBT character dirty.
That's upsetting but unfortunately this story never shown any signs to be focusing on the latter as an issue.
I don't like alot of things about this shounen jump genre but when coming in and when you have been reading jump long enough, you should have a good idea of the market, demographic and the environment it caters to.
Sexism and masculinity over feminity goes a long way back. Mental health issues was never a thing.
I believe it will be very nice if Jump becomes a lot more progressive and I like to argue that it actually is.
A lot of new manga have been sexualising the females a lot lesser compared to a decade or two ago.
It's slow but it is moving, just not at the pace we want it to be and that is understandably because of the country's culture.He's not going to be this revolutionary flag holder of a mangaka in an environment that doesn't actively encourage it.
He can, but I don't think, at this point of time he has a good grasp and the ability to do that.
Unless he grow to have a strong handle of the issues he's tackling and is willing to take certain risks, which, we'll see but I won't have my hopes up the HIGHEST for that aspect.
If that's the reason, then your expectations are at the wrong place.If you havent yet, know what you're getting into and reading. Having expectations is fine but superimposing/projecting your ideals into a series that was never focusing on your ideals is not.
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That's why we must be critical, so that Horikoshi, JUMP editorial and more are held to a standard. This "oh, well!" attitude is antithetical to even the most barebones position one can and should take: that Horikoshi was wrong and should do better.
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Okay folks, staff is actually getting complaints now. i think you've veered waaaaaaay off the topic this thread is for. Some off topic is fine from time to time, and the themes of the series lend themselves to some of this discussion, but.
Take the discussion somewhere else or let it go. Gonna let things cool off for a while to make sure people see this note, will reopen later.
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The problem is that Horikawa doesn't really seem to buy into authoritarianism (the heroes) as being wrong. There's not enough of a strong depiction of the 'villains' as being the protagonists: Toga, Jin, and Mag-nee are victims of a broken system. They're an allegory for the real world's marginalized people. Hell, Mag-nee IS a real world marginalized person: she is a trans woman who turned to crime to survive. The hero Tiger is reward with being a 'proper citizen' by being able to transition, Mag-nee is punished by not being allowed to transition. It's an extremely transphobic message and goes to show Horikawa and JUMP editorial are only thinking about making sure the children reading this comic are good little soldiers for authority when they grow up.
You're describing the inherent problem of superhero fiction.
Captain America: Civil War? The good guys are trying to fight for their right to not be held accountable for their international operations. Heck, secret identities as a big fuck you to accountability and even the most progressive of hero comics still use them.
MHA is not any less authoritarian than any other superhero comic book. Most well-known villains are marginalized to some extent. Hell, all of Batman's villains are mental patients, who get their asses kicked by a vigilante member of the 1%. The X-Men, who does its damned best to humanize Magneto as a holocaust survivor, still has the holocaust survivor as the resident archnemesis, plus all the aforementioned issues of paramilitarism and unaccountability.
Funnily enough, One Piece ends up being one of the most leftist manga out there since the plotline is about "criminals" toppling auhoritarian regimes everywhere they go, in spite of the outdated women and trans jokes.
I do not want to restart the debate out of respect for Robby, but if the idea of a forum is to debate and be critical, then I think it is useful to at least remind everybody of the inherent messages of their favorite works and rethink about them. Just treat this as more of an advice than an actual debate point.
And to remain on-topic, I'm kinda mixed on the whole OFA ghost battle thing. On one this was foreshadowed since God known when, so it's not like it came from nowhere. On the other, it's still silly that the whole thing is getting based on Revolver Ocelot pseudoscience.
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Break next week
! The spoilers suggest Jeanist is alive, so there's on card less for Dabi's reveal stream.
