Froppy for match 1 MVP!
Yeah, Shishida had a good run but Froppy is the shizz net. Mind games and good plays won the match. Vine is a scary an AoE fighter. Props to her too. And, what's up with that stem on Mineta's hair? Guess he got a power-up.
I really hope every match gets three chapters at the minimum. I don't see Class A steamrolling Class B. The law of shounen dictates it'll be two wins each then the decisive fifth battle with Team Shinso v. Team Deku.
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@Bond:
ā¦Can I say it?
I don't actually know much about this myself, but from what I can find, his name means "Dragon Curtain Child".
The Dragon Curtain refers to a type of curtain that's draped around the coffins of Chinese emperors and such. Fitting, seeing how Hiryu has dressed himself up as a Jiang Shi.
And his name is pronounced (in Chinese) Long Wei Zi. (Long2 Wei2 Zi3 for those who know how to read pinyin.)PS. CCC, I caught you on an episode of the One Piece Podcast a couple weeks back. Just thought I'd let you know I really enjoyed it and you should totally go on more often.
You can say whatever you want! I'm the one with NDAs.
And thanks 
I'm pretty shy in those settings, soā¦we'll see.
ItĀ“s nice how Shinsho was important for the victory, but not the only reason, just another factor. Kaminari and Tsuyu shined more than him, I really hope we keep seeing Tsuyu kick ass, she defeated the scales kid on her own and used him as a blunt weapon against Beast, that was nice. She is always being support, so sometimes I forgot she kicks with the strenght of a human-sized frog.
Still, I want to see class B getting some wins and even more team work by both classes. Also more hidden power houses from class-B like Shishida, I didnĀ“t care for him before this few chapters and now I like him lots, curse you Hori.
About Mineta stick in his hair, that was in his prototype art, I wonder if it has some use or it is only an accesory to make his head look like a bunch of grapes.
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Personally I do not think Class B having more time to refine their quirks is an advantage. I think Class A having a pretty fair amount of real world experience is far and away better. Learning how to quick adapt on the battlefield is the most indispensable skill to have.
I would liken it to playing a fighting game against a computer until you have completely mastered your moves, and then going out into the actual competitive world. I would almost bet that you would get stomped because your experience was in a controlled environment. You do not know the current fighting styles and strategies the other gamers use. You will not be as easily beaten as someone who is just starting, and you may even win a few, but you should not expect to be as good as those with experience.
I agree withthose who have said shonen tropes suggest that it will be tied going into the 5th competition, but honestly I would expect it to be a landslide for Class A.
That being said we do not know what else Class B has encountered that we don't kow about, so I could be completely wrong.
I'm curious to see if Jiro and Bakugo would work well together. His quirk would either enhance or hurt hers depending on how they use it. Sugarman needs a good showing cause he's been pretty nonexistent. Sero we know can adapt pretty well. I suppose this would be the match to see if Bakugo could be a team player and Sugarman not be useless.
Todoroki's team I could see Ojiro getting some focus but their team loses.
Momo's I kinda hope gets a win. But it could go either way.
Deku's team is also one that could go either way. It depends on I guess if Horikoshi wants that tie breaker trope to happen.
How did someone like dog tail get into class A over say vines or beast dude in the first place?
This was probably my favorite chapter since Gentle. Awesome back and forth fight, time to shine for second tier Class A and unsung Class B members, and pretty good art and flow too. I just wish Kouda had gotten more time to shine.
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How did someone like dog tail get into class A over say vines or beast dude in the first place?
Class A and B are arbitrarily split, there's no inherent hierarchy.
About Mineta stick in his hair, that was in his prototype art, I wonder if it has some use or it is only an accesory to make his head look like a bunch of grapes.
Maybe it's related to his "special attack" he created during the license exam arc? The "bead" thing.
I don't think he gave it proper name, so this could be an improved version of it.
Since we have an even number of fights, I think it's very likely Horikoshi will go the obvious way and have the last fight be the tiebreak, meaning Class B should win 2 fights before that.
I can see either (1) Class B winning the next two, diminishing Class A morale, then Bakugo restoring it with his team victory (I think it would be a good role for Bakugo to restore the faith of his classmates) before the final fight, or (2) Class A winning the second fight and getting a 2 x 0 only for Class B to get two wins in succession against the two aces of Class A - Todoroki and Bakugou - and getting to the final fight with amazing momentum.
Regardless of which is the other team losing for Class A, I think Todoroki's will lose their fight.
As for the final one, I can see Shinso performing poorly on that one since his "handicap" factor was completely ignored in his first fight where he was pretty much just an amazing addition. But I don't think the fight will get to a proper end because One for All will go insane and chaos will ensue (either because Deku loses control by himself, Monoma's quirk influence or Shinso trying to control his mind again).
I have not been feeling the last couple of arcs, and this unfortunately is no different. Just hard to get invested in what is essentially yet another training arc. Even another tournament type of thing would have been preferable to this.
I will say though that I'm interested in seeing what exactly will happen with Shinsou, but that's literally it.
Is an school manga, most arcs will be about training.
So far I am seeing this arc as a "fun arc". Until something happens to interrupt this, those fights are a pure fanservice (one that fits, though) for us to have a chance to see each kid from both classes having their screen time. It just feels like raw uncompromised fun (remember one week before this we were discussing how the scope of the story was going far beyond the kids to the point most of them would probably be forgotten as the plot moved to bigger issues).
@.access:
So far I am seeing this arc as a "fun arc". Until something happens to interrupt this, those fights are a pure fanservice (one that fits, though) for us to have a chance to see each kid from both classes having their screen time. It just feels like raw uncompromised fun (remember one week before this we were discussing how the scope of the story was going far beyond the kids to the point most of them would probably be forgotten as the plot moved to bigger issues).
You say that but for all we know deku could run to the bathroom and stumble into the League Of Villains
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Yeah I loved Tsuyu in this chapter, Kaminari also helped show some intellect and Shioziaki continues to be super cool and strong.
Shinso's eye-rollingly sunny reception from class A seems to be screaming that he's joining them soon. Maybe when the traitor gets discovered and expelled/arrested.
I have a hard time picturing him going "Welp, I really sucked. Guess I'm not cut out to be a pro after all" when all's said and done, especially given that Horikoshi has been hyping Shinso's grand return as early as March 2017 (in an interview with Viz). And then again in volume 19.
This training sequence seems to be a vehicle for that, while also teaching readers the names+powers of Class B, so that they can be tossed into future scenarios without preamble.
You know I wanted to like this chapter more than I did, it's finally giving some long needed attention to the side characters in this story albeit too much being given to top ten popularity poll Shinsou and not enough to the actual main class but hey it's something. My problem is the action choreography is just so bad, like yeah i could sort of figure out what's going on (and the Tsuyu drop kick was dope) but it's not intuitive, it's not fun to look at. For example, I had to reread the whole Shinsou taking over vine girl pages three times to get that he was controlling her. It's hard to figure out because the panel flow is bad and there's no representation of Shinsou's power manifesting. Horikoshi couldn't have thrown in some invisible sound or emp waves for the benefit of the readers? It's little things like that the whole chapter.
I understood everything on my first read.
I saw vine girl's expression change after that one guy was like "THAT WASN'T MY VOICE!" and I instantly knew Shinso had trapped her.
I honestly didn't think it was difficult.
This arc works for me more than another 1v1 tournament. Makes sense too. The higher-ups are promoting teamwork more than ever. Can't decide whether Todoroki or Bakugou will lose. Maybe what happened with Endeavor will motivate Todoroki in some way. But, Bakugou is a top fighter and the least likely in Class A to lose (not counting Deku). Buuuut, Bakugou losing could be a lesson he needs to be a better teammate. I can see the others on his team getting caught while he's distracted.
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As for the final one, I can see Shinso performing poorly on that one since his "handicap" factor was completely ignored in his first fight where he was pretty much just an amazing addition. But I don't think the fight will get to a proper end because One for All will go insane and chaos will ensue (either because Deku loses control by himself, Monoma's quirk influence or Shinso trying to control his mind again).
I don't think the match will get canceled, but something will go down. The First high fived Deku for a reason. Maybe Deku really has unlocked the Avatar State and his predecessors will talk to him or show him a technique he can copy.
Going meta for a moment. Horikoshi giving Deku the ability to talk to former users has to go somewhere. And he's already been influenced by All Might. Maybe Horikoshi's going for a "we all beat you" moment after Deku masters the old user's special moves.
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Is an school manga, most arcs will be about training.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't see this defense coming.
Training arcs aren't inherently bad or anything, but to say to expect most of MHA's arcs to be just that is amusing. If MHA had cut down on them moving forward, I highly doubt anyone would protest. And there's more you can do with a school setting than just training anyways. Regardless, my issue is not to bemoan training arcs in general (Like I said, haven't been feeling previous arcs as well), just that this particular one is uninteresting to me outside of Shinsou. I think it partly has to do with Shinsou seemingly being the only one that actually has anything to lose in this arc.
Even in something like the Provisional Exam arc, the license was what was at stake. Here's it literally just training.
@.access:
So far I am seeing this arc as a "fun arc". Until something happens to interrupt this, those fights are a pure fanservice (one that fits, though) for us to have a chance to see each kid from both classes having their screen time. It just feels like raw uncompromised fun (remember one week before this we were discussing how the scope of the story was going far beyond the kids to the point most of them would probably be forgotten as the plot moved to bigger issues).
That's a fair interpretation, just not one that particularly intrigues me. Also I gotta admit, despite enjoying several of their powers and designs, I've never seen the point of having a Class B. (And I'm not just saying that because they lost lol)
@TLC:
You know I wanted to like this chapter more than I did, it's finally giving some long needed attention to the side characters in this story albeit too much being given to top ten popularity poll Shinsou and not enough to the actual main class but hey it's something. My problem is the action choreography is just so bad, like yeah i could sort of figure out what's going on (and the Tsuyu drop kick was dope) but it's not intuitive, it's not fun to look at. For example, I had to reread the whole Shinsou taking over vine girl pages three times to get that he was controlling her. It's hard to figure out because the panel flow is bad and there's no representation of Shinsou's power manifesting. Horikoshi couldn't have thrown in some invisible sound or emp waves for the benefit of the readers? It's little things like that the whole chapter.
I dont know if its just me but horikoshi has been doing better than oda when it comes to understanding the action personally. At times during the katakuri fight I was wondering how did this character move like that
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
Spoiler:
@TLC:
You know I wanted to like this chapter more than I did, it's finally giving some long needed attention to the side characters in this story albeit too much being given to top ten popularity poll Shinsou and not enough to the actual main class but hey it's something. My problem is the action choreography is just so bad, like yeah i could sort of figure out what's going on (and the Tsuyu drop kick was dope) but it's not intuitive, it's not fun to look at. For example, I had to reread the whole Shinsou taking over vine girl pages three times to get that he was controlling her. It's hard to figure out because the panel flow is bad and there's no representation of Shinsou's power manifesting. Horikoshi couldn't have thrown in some invisible sound or emp waves for the benefit of the readers? It's little things like that the whole chapter.
I think that's really subjective, because the exact two strong impressions I had in my mind as I finished the chapter (well, two of the three if you include me fanboying over Tsuyu), and I made a note of thinking that, were:
Also, I completely skipped Tsuyu kick on my first comment even though that was the panel I was waiting to see. Sure it lacked the blood and sweat and tears from Kirishima badass panels, but this is not a life-or-death battle, just having one of the girls being shown in a legitimate action scene kicking ass was great (and for those who equaled those demands to us asking for a girl to be the main characterā¦ may this chapter aid your lack of comprehension skills).
@TLC:
(And I'm not just saying that because they lost lol)
Let's agree Class A only won this fight thanks to Shinsou being on their group. There's no way Asui and Kaminari would win against those three by themselves.
Also I gotta admit, despite enjoying several of their powers and designs, I've never seen the point of having a Class B. (And I'm not just saying that because they lost lol)
I think Class B's overarching purpose is to contrast the growth that Class A is going through due to their experiences with what would have been a "normal" school year. This doesn't hold true in all things as I believe that class B also got caught up in the mountain training camp shenanigans (if memory serves), but I think they are the measuring rod to show how far class A has come.
This arc works for me more than another 1v1 tournament. Makes sense too. The higher-ups are promoting teamwork more than ever. Can't decide whether Todoroki or Bakugou will lose. Maybe what happened with Endeavor will motivate Todoroki in some way. But, Bakugou is a top fighter and the least likely in Class A to lose (not counting Deku). Buuuut, Bakugou losing could be a lesson he needs to be a better teammate. I can see the others on his team getting caught while he's distracted.
I feel like Todoroki has had enough wins to be able to lose and it not hurt his image. And since he's so strong and his match comes before Bakugo's Class B may get a tad cocky in taking down a powerhouse.
I kinda feel like this is a good time to show Bakugo can work with a team. He's got Jiro on the team and he at least understood during the band performance that sometimes he just needs to work with people. He should be able to make that connection.
Horikoshi may be a little lacking some times regarding making scenes easy to follow, some clear examples I remember are some parts of the Endeavor vs High End and the MimicĀ“s fight back at OverhaulĀ“s arc, but this specific chapter wasnĀ“t the case at all.
I mean, itĀ“s not HoriĀ“s strong point, every author have things they can improve, but he is really good in other areas (distinctive art style, good character design, double spreads, detailed close-ups, page composition) Also, I think all series have some chapters that you have to reread twice too.
Maybe it's related to his "special attack" he created during the license exam arc? The "bead" thing.
I don't think he gave it proper name, so this could be an improved version of it.
Maybe, I donĀ“t think we have seen everyone special moves yet. I would like to see anyone else new moves/weapons before MinetaĀ“s, I want Jirou to have a sword like the one Momo gave her back at the first league of villains attack.
Do japenese understand mandarin at large or would the meaning be foreign to most?
They could easily decipher meaning from the kanji but likely wouldn't know the proper pronunciation (which isn't written over top, in furigana).
Whereas the "western" pronunciations of Vine(s) and Gevaudan are more obvious, but those don't intrinsically convey meaning.
I would probably write pages and pages of TNs if I had my way (I doā¦on twitter) but then again, even the original Japanese audience is not instantly privy to all relevant info about these names just from reading the source material.
It's interesting.
Predictions.
Round 2 (Tokoyami, Hagakure, Momo, Aoyama): Tokoyami get the most character focus. Class A loses.
Round 3 (Todoroki, Iida, Shouji, Ojiro): Iida gets the most focus (although this time it could be pretty much anyone). Class A Loses.
Round 4 (Satou, Sero, Jirou, Bakugo): Bakugo, with maybe a side of Sero. Class A Wins.
Round 5 (Mineta, Mina, Ochako, Deku): Obviously, the focus is on Deku vs. Shinsou where he learns more about his visions. But I'm going to make an out-there prediction and say Class A Loses in this final round. Nothing is at stake in this match so win or lose, Deku's progress towards becoming the greatest hero doesn't change, especially since he'll probably grow in other ways. Also Shinsou can prove to the world that he can be a great hero after all. And most importantly, Monoma gets to act smug as all hell.
I can accept 1-B winning in Round 5 only if Monoma absolutely embarrasses himself in the process and causes him to further entrench himself as 1-B's Bakugo.
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I can accept 1-B winning in Round 5 only if Monoma absolutely embarrasses himself in the process and causes him to further entrench himself as 1-B's Bakugo.
Monoma gets Graped in the first 10 seconds.
Class B is probably winning the 2nd fight, with Kendou as the lone survivor, Momo will probably shine the most in Class A.
I will praise Hori if he has the balls of having Todoroki and Bakugou jobbing, specially the latter.
Monoma is useless because deku just keeps blocking him and he doesn't dare to copy his power.
I think that the issue is that you take either a panel or a page as the unit, the chapter as a unit flowed well enough.
Fifth Match is put on hold because one of Monoma's arms explodes.
Fifth Match is put on hold because one of Monoma's arms explodes.
Single panel of Aizawa pointing and laughing at Vladking.
@CCC:
Shinso's eye-rollingly sunny reception from class A seems to be screaming that he's joining them soon. Maybe when the traitor gets discovered and expelled/arrested.
That assumes 1 ) the traitor is a student, 2 ) is in Class A, and 3 ) it actually matters if a class has 21 students instead of 20.
Going meta for a moment. Horikoshi giving Deku the ability to talk to former users has to go somewhere. And he's already been influenced by All Might. Maybe Horikoshi's going for a "we all beat you" moment after Deku masters the old user's special moves.
I could see that. Maybe he uses a technique commonly used by Nana that All Might recognizes.
Think of the desks! Shinso will have no place to sit!
Unlessā¦he piggybacks Aizawa?
I probably did not find this chapter as exciting as most other people. I'm kind of finding this whole class vs. class thing a bit dry. I'd much prefer to see these characters in real world situations at this point in the story
Next chapter will have the versus with comic bubble and the pitch black kid, really looking foward to them, then again I want to see every quirk of the class B kids we havenĀ“t seen yet. And regarding class-A, I want Momo to win and I really hope that Sato gets to shine a little, extra points if he uses the kinniku buster on someone.
I probably did not find this chapter as exciting as most other people. I'm kind of finding this whole class vs. class thing a bit dry. I'd much prefer to see these characters in real world situations at this point in the story
They're still 1st years and have had a good chunk of real world fights. I think we'll definitely get there during their 2nd year. I'd be a tad disappointed if they skipped over them working out their flaws at school. It's not quite time for them to be working yet.
So im reading a recap someone did on the chapter and yeah there's a hell of a lot of Christian references in here, I know viz couldn't say eneru was a god back in the day but I hope the editorial department didnt hold back from some of the blatant references made. Cant wait for the Viz to come out
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
Spoiler:
Monoma is useless because deku just keeps blocking him and he doesn't dare to copy his power.
I think that the issue is that you take either a panel or a page as the unit, the chapter as a unit flowed well enough.
Oh, man. I didn't think about Monoma NOT wanting to copy Deku in fear he'll break his limbs. But, it's such a good chance to see someone with that quirk. I hope Horikoshi does it.
Think of the desks! Shinso will have no place to sit!
Unlessā¦he piggybacks Aizawa?
Jinbe Shinso won't join because he can't fit in the classroom.:ninja:
I think Class B's overarching purpose is to contrast the growth that Class A is going through due to their experiences with what would have been a "normal" school year. This doesn't hold true in all things as I believe that class B also got caught up in the mountain training camp shenanigans (if memory serves), but I think they are the measuring rod to show how far class A has come.
I just feel that a rival school(s) can get this point across just fine. I like how UA has several departments like Support, Business, etc. But I look at Class B, and can't stop thinking about how redundant they are. It's not even like they're inferior, or older students. They're literally just less popular.
Now with that being said, they exist at the end of the day, so Horikoshi obviously can't ignore them, but I just feel that he didn't have to create them. I hope at least some of them get some decent development in this arc.
It's kind of wierd how aizawa keeps giving off the impression of the most experienced hero despite actually being not much of an active hero.
I just feel that a rival school(s) can get this point across just fine. I like how UA has several departments like Support, Business, etc. But I look at Class B, and can't stop thinking about how redundant they are. It's not even like they're inferior, or older students. They're literally just less popular.
Now with that being said, they exist at the end of the day, so Horikoshi obviously can't ignore them, but I just feel that he didn't have to create them. I hope at least some of them get some decent development in this arc.
Interesting point. You can say Class B mainly exist as (1.) A world-building element, having at least two classes in a hero school makes sense. And, (2.) Making them the constant with which Class A is compared to. You can't show how awesome someone is if there isn't anyone to compare them with.
But, even if that's their main function Hirokoshi can do more with them if he wanted (or is allowed). Even, if its just turning a handful (Tetsutetsu, Kendou, Monoma and few others) into more in-depth characters. This could be Hirokoshi's chance to do just that. Maybe that's why the students I mentioned weren't in the first (aka Shinso fodder) group.
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My Hero Vigilantes chapter 37 is out!
I don't do a lot of shipping talk, butā¦
! I'd love it if All Might and Tsukauchi were dating. I just got that vibe during their scenes together. Toshinori's expressions added to it, but that could be explained as the artist drawing style.
! That bit with All Might fighting those random giant creatures was stupid but funny. What? You're not going to investigate that All Might? Just beat them down and go? Okay.
! Mokoto and Tsukauchi's scene was good too. Nice revelation she's been protecting Pop (and Koichi) from her brother.
! And, we get world-building concerning people with usual bodies. I just assumed people were taken care of like the thing with companies having to have clothes for different body types. Is that why so many large body people in the series turn to crime? Do they feel society doesn't treat them fairly? I hope this gets explored more. Having to live in certain locations would hinder your ability to get a job and even what you do is affected. Not like you can go to many indoor places to relax.
The anime skipped Tsukiachi telling All Might about Stain, they also didnt show him when Afo got into Tartarus. I wonder what is the reason for that, he is an important character.
I didn't really ship anyone with All Might before. But damn this was a squishy chapter lol.
The new episode brought up a bit of info I didn't remember being mentioned. The duration of the secondary provisional license course only being 3 months. I need to hunt for that timeline chart again. Blargh.
Heathens, all might is married to JUSTICE.
But that is an open marriage.
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I dont know if its just me but horikoshi has been doing better than oda when it comes to understanding the action personally. At times during the katakuri fight I was wondering how did this character move like that
regarding this chapter, I totally agree with TLC. The fight itself is good in term of idea (really like how they manipulate the opponent fear of Shinsou to shutdown the enemy communication) but the flow and the movement from panel to panel are terrible. And this kind of thing exist since the beginning of MHA. Majority of fights/actions not as clean as other famous shonens. but this chapter is the worst of them all. The panel of Tsuyu kicking is awesome by itself but if we pictured it properly, its look like she teleport to that panel rather than jumpin and flying kick the opponent. The worst part of this battle is for me is that, I have to rely on character exposition to fully understand what is going on. Which is something that i don't need in one piece including Luffy vs Katakuri. And this kind of exposition where fighter themselves that were fighting talking to explain for no reason instead of analyzing the battle also is the worst kind for me. I am okay if the narrator/others/audiences or fighters analyzing.
This is adorable lol.
I dunno. The paneling didn't seem that off to me. I felt like I got what was happening. Yeah Horikoshi can have muddled fight scenes. Chisaki's stuff and Endeavor vs. Talking Nomu. But I don't think this week was note worthy in legibility.
I think Hori's gotten better, but I agree it's the little things he needs to work on like in the panel where Vine gets brainwashed. It would've been easier to understand if he made Vine's image smaller with dynamic lines zooming in like a camera. More transition/lead in panels could help too. Like how you see a small panel of a character's fist moving before the impact shot.
I wonder if MHA's SFX plays a role. Looking back at One Piece's last chapter, Oda's SFX is always Japanese black text while MHA's jumps from English, Japanese black and white text. I love MHA's English text but maybe more consistency in its coloring (or the Japanese SFX) might help. Hm. Could that be the problem? Hori's relying too much on flashy SFX text to convey action?
I'd love to hear a comic artist or editor's take on the subject.
I would sympathize with not comprehending what's going on in the panels if you weren't using Mangastream's and JaminiBox's poor scan quality. Personally I never had such a problem.
The anime skipped Tsukiachi telling All Might about Stain, they also didnt show him when Afo got into Tartarus. I wonder what is the reason for that, he is an important character.
Pacing. Manga can drop a tease for a future story arc however far in advance it wants, assuming readers will be getting all the tanks, especially if the author knows that character is coming up soonish, but the anime has to think about their season length and where their hiatus is going to fall.
They bring it up now, and then in a few weeks they go on break for the next 9 months, and then take a while still to get to that plot point again, that's a LONG time for the casual anime audience to forget something like that. THey can bring it up again later when its closer to being story important.
This is also why we're getting more filler than we did the earlier seasonsā¦ they're trying to get to a clean stopping place and not start up the next arc right before breaking.
HxH did something similar with Kite where even though he was super important to launching the story, they left him out because he wasn't going to appear in the story for a hundred episodes, 2 years later. So they saved that bit for a while.
