Okay, so you know how everyone was wanting Katakuri to take over as the main character and how Oda likes to please his fans…
And this, people, is exactly why I wish Luffy would stop telling everyone how much of a Pirate King he thinks he's going to be…
I guffawed way harder than intended! A double-spread full of various characters from One Piece's past yelling "Told ya!" would be fantastic.
"Please take care of Jinbe, Strawhat."
We're going to be there very soon. Finally! 
I mean, it could be a concerted effort between Brook and Nami to create a hypnosis/mirage/illusion to cover the ship's escape (the fact that it's called a Bad End Musical definitely smacks of Brook being involved) so there's that.
Also, does Oven heating up the sea not also destroy the ships or set them all ablaze? I mean, you'd kill the Straw Hats, sure, but you'd also annihilate your own fleet and all your soldiers and a great deal of siblings. This is the second time that's been ignored by Oda. This means that Oven, without being in a frenzy state like Big Mom, has less restraint than her. Pathetic.
If the Fishmen can’t survive this boiling sea, what makes people think the Sunny can? Especially since it’s been proven to cause serious damage/explosions to ships.
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They sailed a literally burning sea before, with fishbones floating at the surface.
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The sunny is super-not-gonna-lose to something like that!
rough end for One Piece so Oda was rushed to end it for good on the 900 th chapter…
and the One Piece will obviously stay a mystery
I mean, it could be a concerted effort between Brook and Nami to create a hypnosis/mirage/illusion to cover the ship's escape (the fact that it's called a Bad End Musical definitely smacks of Brook being involved) so there's that.
How would Brook and Nami's powers even mix like that? And the title is called that because Big Mom did a creepy musical number as the Straw Hats got fucked up, it has nothing to do with Brook lol
I'm guessing Pudding used her power on a much larger scale (probably much larger than she's ever used before)
I think Wadatsumi pulled the ship underwater. On the penultimate panel you see the ship sinking. Burning ships don't sink that fast.
I'm guessing Pudding used her power on a much larger scale (probably much larger than she's ever used before)
But we literally saw Pudding sitting by herself lol
@O:
rough end for One Piece so Oda was rushed to end it for good on the 900 th chapter…
and the One Piece will obviously stay a mystery
The truth is that Oda did not have Rayleigh reveal what the One Piece is to Usopp because Oda himself doesn't know it. So he's just padding this series with useless sideplots until he makes something up for the big reveal. Since he got tired, he killed the Straw Hats off. He heard all those fans going "Jinbe is going to die" and decided to top that with Jinbe + Luffy + other SHs dying all together. Now we will cut to Wano and see Zoro easily defeat Kaido. Zoro will take the leadership of the remaining SH and allies and become the Pirate King since he is undefeatable. Not by finding OP but by killing all four emperors.
But we literally saw Pudding sitting by herself lol
And?
It's not like we know what the extents of her ability are. Not to mention that third eye which is concept that is supposed to give someone perception far beyond normal. That doesn't mean that Oda took the same route with it, but it does allow for the possibility of Pudding being able of mass memory alterations/ranged memory alterations. With awakening and stuff.
And?
It's not like we know what the extents of her ability are. Not to mention that third eye which is concept that is supposed to give someone perception far beyond normal. That doesn't mean that Oda took the same route with it, but it does allow for the possibility of Pudding being able of mass memory alterations/ranged memory alterations. With awakening and stuff.
That's not entirely true. Back in Ch. 880, Pudding had the chefs come in one by one in order to manipulate their memories, and had to make contact with each one of them. If she had a more effective way of doing that, then there's no reason for her not to use such an ability.
And nothing revealed to us regarding the third eye should make anyone link it with Pudding's DF abilities until Oda explicitly states/shows otherwise. It's separate from her powers, her third eye hasn't even awakened, and we've only been told that said awakening only has to do with being able to decipher Poneglyphs. Saying that Oda will suddenly have it where it'll give her powers some massive boost is quite the reach with what we currently know.
But more importantly, again, she's currently just sitting off by herself. Even if I were to believe that she actually does suddenly have access to an AoE ability that would make people hallucinate everything that happened in this chapter, why on earth would Oda make it so underwhelming to the point where she's doing it where no one can see her, none of her facial expressions this chapter give the impression that she's taking any action, as well as having such a powerful ability be used without being named?
That's not entirely true. Back in Ch. 880, Pudding had the chefs come in one by one in order to manipulate their memories, and had to make contact with each one of them. If she had a more effective way of doing that, then there's no reason for her not to use such an ability.
If she were capable of memory alterations of that scale then it's very likely it causes a greater strain and fatigues her. We know some devil fruit abilities drain the users pretty fast (Law). No reason to flaunt her ability if she can do it without getting tired, using her conventional method.
And nothing revealed to us regarding the third eye should make anyone link it with Pudding's DF abilities until Oda explicitly states/shows otherwise. It's separate from her powers, her third eye hasn't even awakened, and we've only been told that said awakening only has to do with being able to decipher Poneglyphs. Saying that Oda will suddenly have it where it'll give her powers some massive boost is quite the reach with what we currently know.
I'm saying the third eye thing might make her better at awakening her devil fruit as well. There's too little we know about how the third eye works, so the possibility of it allowing the owner to be better at figuring out stuff and drawing hidden potential from themselves is there.
Also, how sure can we be that her third eye hasn't awakened? She might have been hiding it.
But more importantly, again, she's currently just sitting off by herself. Even if I were to believe that she actually does suddenly have access to an AoE ability that would make people hallucinate everything that happened in this chapter, why on earth would Oda make it so underwhelming to the point where she's doing it where no one can see her, none of her facial expressions this chapter give the impression that she's taking any action, as well as having such a powerful ability be used without being named?
Well you pretty much answered that question yourself just now. There's not a single hint of her doing anything. Or anyone else doing anything that could explain that the Sunny destruction was fake. But someone sure as hell has done something. There's definitely no chance that Sunny was destroyed in such an unceremonious and unemotional fashion, not after how Merry was sent off. So someone has tampered with something in some way. Pudding is just a reasonable suspect, for now.
Wow you folks really want that dark option huh. You do know that if that is the case, this arc drags on longer cause now they need a ship in enemy territory and have to escape…again. Side what's capturing gonna do, the BMP want the SH D-E-A-D. It's not one or the other and I doubt they're gonna force Pudding to brainwash them. Heck are the BMP even aware of Pudding's ability, I haven't seen it yet to the contrary.
so I want to put an end to two theories here
pudding is still in the back alley and the last thing she saw is Sanji taking away luffy, and the only thing she heard is that big mom's tantrum ended. she didn't here anything about the sea battle as the Charlotte children aren't going to announce the existence of the straw hats to the public in case the news got out that the straw hats defeated many of the children. also the third eye if awakened can make her somehow feel the voice of all things. it doesn't give her clairvoyance as far as we know or the ability to awaken her devil fruit power. also why would it awaken now? either her eyes were awaken the entire time and she just acted or it isn't. and her using her ability to alter memories would screw so much with the presented timeline, it would take forever to explain it properly and it would make everything way too convoluted.
and big mom hallucinating? she isn't even aware of the situation with the straw hats in the first place. and she is already hallucinating. she is seeing a pet cemetery.
the solution will be completely different
Arguments
We're just going to end up arguing in circles at this point, especially if you're going to seriously theorize all of that regarding her third eye lol
We'll see in two weeks.
Wow you folks really want that dark option huh. You do know that if that is the case, this arc drags on longer cause now they need a ship in enemy territory and have to escape…again.
Not about what I want, Oda can do whatever he wants, all I'm merely saying is that the theories that are being brought up to suggest that any of that was faked by Big Mom/Pudding/Luffy/Nami are not the least bit convincing, given what we know. If it makes the arc longer… Oh well? Wouldn't make it any less real, and Oda would have his reasons for going through with that. That said, I'm not making the assumption that the Sunny is completely unsalvageable.
To reiterate a post I made in the spoiler thread, I honestly was not expecting things to take a turn for the worse at this point. I thought a clean getaway was in the cards, with the Germa and Sun Pirates covering the Sunny's escape.
I think it's fairly obvious that Big Mom's in her food-coma happy-place for the near future, so for all the twisted imagery of her dancing and singing as her crew goes to work, I doubt she'll personally be doing much else unless something truly drastic happens to break her out of it - something on the level of a massive attack by another Yonkou or the Marines, I would think. It's her crew/family itself that has been impressing me of late.
The Strawhats caused all kinds of chaos through out the first half of the arc, but I think it's important to remember that Big Mom et al. were a) basically inviting Luffy & co. in so they could trap them, b) underestimating the sheer level of havoc the Strawhats are capable of, and c) deliberately glossing over fairly major issues in an effort to keep BM in a good mood. However, ever since the Wedding literally blew up in their faces, the BMP have have shown themselves to be a relentless, increasingly competent, and legitimately threatening force, which I attribute largely to their shift from a "business-as-usual"/party atmosphere to a proper war footing. Before, it was almost too easy to slip into the mindset that, assuming the Strawhats could "deal" with Big Mom in Totland, the simple fact that the alliance against Kaidou has so many more players compared to the Sanji Rescue Team would imply that she, while remaining a nigh unstoppable Yonkou, could be considered as "weaker" in some way. Now, for all their individual failings, I think this truly drives home the fact that Big Mom and her crew are a major threat on par with Kaidou.
Now, obviously the Strawhats will escape and, for all the damage it's taken, I have a hard time thinking they'll lose the Thousand Sunny - the keel, at the very least, should make it back with them, whatever happens. I was initially wondering about Jinbe/Aladdin making use of some sort of quick-coating tricks to let the Sunny make a submersible maneuver a la the Moby Dick and I think the angle of Nami using a mirage to mask their escape with the image of one of the other burning ships in the area is real possibility. I also think Zeus could play a part, presuming he's been sufficiently cowed or bribed into Nami's service - carrying Big Mom while flying isn't quite as large a load as carrying the Sunny (or what's left of it), but not by that much I would say (especially for a world where people can lift buildings and throw them). And we shouldn't forget that Secret Agent Stussy is on the loose at the moment, so no telling what she might be doing to take advantage of the chaos. By contrast, I highly doubt the theory that it's all part of BM's hallucination - I have no doubt that she's entirely in her own little world right now, but I don't think that has any bearing on what's happening with her crew and the Strawhats. Same with the Pudding Memory Manipulation angle - I can't believe that she's capable of rewriting the memories of everyone on or near Cacao Island at once, and she would pretty much have to be in order to help the Strawhats escape from under the nose of so many. All in all, while I've no doubt they'll make it out of this, I'm largely at a loss as to how at this point…
Since Luffy & co. were more or less invited into Big Mom's inner sanctum, managed to capture Brulee multiple times and usurp her Mirror World for their own use, had Jinbe and the Sun Pirates working to their benefit from the inside, teamed up with Bege and Caesar, had a chef capable of making an enormous cake on very short order capable of diverting a raging Yonkou's personal attention away from them, managed to get both Pekoms and Pudding on their side, took down two of the Sweet Commanders, got cover for their escape from both the Germa and the Sun Pirates, and are presumably still only just going to make it out of there by the skin of their teeth, I think it's now safe to say that an alliance on the scale of the Pirate-Samurai-Mink team aiming for Kaidou is probably the bare minimum needed to fight a Yonkou head on.
Very curious what's going to happen to those left behind… Pudding seems like she's going to be cast as a hero, more or less, so my earlier fears that she might not be safe in Totland anymore have been largely assuaged. I still think there are enough inconsistencies to her actions that she may be outed as having helped the Strawhats sometime later, when someone starts looking closely at the chain of events, but for the immediate future it seems she'll be alright. I think the Sun Pirates will make it out as well - Oven's abilities are sure to have a maximum range, so I imagine they could follow Wadatsumi's example and go deep to escape the heat - but Pekoms is likely to be taken prisoner. I doubt a good word or two from Tamago Niwatori will be enough to forgive his open defiance in front of Oven. And unless something drastic changes, it's looking like the Germa may well be captured too, and if that happens I can't see why they wouldn't be simply butchered as that's what BM had planned all along. Even if they do escape somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if they had to leave behind some of their facilities/ships, meaning Big Mom may get her hands on their cloning tech anyway.
All in all, a surprisingly grim chapter. Well played, Oda.
Last but not least, I think this may be the official end of the Totland arc. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda deliberately let us hanging in regards to everyone's fates for a while, perhaps even having Big Mom spread the news that Strawhat Luffy was dead only for him and the crew to reappear at Zou several chapters later, in a manner similar to what happened after Jack tried to "rescue" Doflamingo from the Marine prisoner convoy, albeit less menacing.
Anyone know whether the Reverie is supposed to take place before we start Wano or after? I haven't been up to date on SBS questions and outside interviews, so I'm a bit out of the loop.
On any unrelated note: That colorspread is adorable! Go for it, Chopper!
Oh yea, has Pudding ever actually created new memories, or was each instance just careful editing?
My theories on what is happening?
1.) it's somehow faked/not realA. Nami used her mirage tempo
B. Pudding's powers, unlikely
C. Big Mom dreaming this entire thing
2.) It's real
A. Crazy theory is Sanji awakens some hidden power to save them from the flames
B. Some unforeseen force comes to save them
C. Big Mom or her pirate crew saves them out of gratitude.
D. OR Big Mom realizes Sanji is the only person who can bring her this joy again, thus either spares him or something that lets SHs get away.
But no way do I see Sunny being damaged to this extent (I could be wrong but nope). This chapter kind of ruins the Nox -> Sun theme going. How Pedro saved them and Sun pirates coming to save them shows that SHs represents the new dawn or whatever.
Has Oda been known for all these bait and switch cliffhangers in the earlier 400 chapters? I feel like these have been a newer development after Water 7 Arc.
Oh yea, has Pudding ever actually created new memories, or was each instance just careful editing?
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There's a panel on page 14 where another boat is destroyed, just in front of Sunny. The page after that, there's seemingly a slight time transition after Mont D'Or is shown and after that the SH and Germa start losing badly. She might have edited the exploded ship into Sunny.
Might not even be a mass hallucination, just something that is playing out in BM's head.
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My theories on what is happening?
1.) it's somehow faked/not realA. Nami used her mirage tempo
B. Pudding's powers, unlikelyHow is Pudding more unlikely than a friggen mirage tempo?
I think after the cementery shows in BM mouth everything is a hallucination. Everything seems too perfect for the big mom pirates, I think the cake made BM so happy shes imagining everything ending smoothly.
I think, the only message i get from this 900, is for SH to realize the essence of their grand fleet. They really need to have a grand fleet in order for them to face any yonkous. Too naive for them not to understand the situation they had with BM.
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It's not Pudding or Brook/Nami; it's all in Big Mom's head, and the clues are right there plain for us to see:
When she first tastes the cake, she says she's "tasted something like this before." It's not until the end when we realize she's thinking back on her favorite food, the croquembouche from her childhood. More specifically, how it made her feel/hallucinate. We've seen this before; the flashback is paying off in more ways than one. Everything that happens in this chapter stops as soon as her musical starts, then literally **everything else we see is in her mind.**The proof is the fact the dead children she ate are right there dancing alongside her with (presumably) also Carmel watching over her. It's all a fantasy, and one she'll probably get stuck in, allowing the Strawhats to leave and she thinks she's killed them – just how she convinced herself she didn't kill Carmel and the children.
I have to hand it to Oda for having the balls to end it like this. But next chapter there are gonna be SO many people complaining that this is a cop-out. I honestly think it's one of the best ways this could have ended because 1: Luffy can never defeat Big Mom one on one and 2: the Strawhats cannot die. The end to this arc was ALWAYS going to be something like this.
@Miss:
It's not Pudding or Brook/Nami; it's all in Big Mom's head, and the clues are right there plain for us to see:
When she first tastes the cake, she says she's "tasted something like this before." It's not until the end when we realize she's thinking back on her favorite food, the croquembouche from her childhood. More specifically, how it made her feel/hallucinate. We've seen this before; the flashback is paying off in more ways than one. Everything that happens in this chapter stops as soon as her musical starts, then literally **everything else we see is in her mind.**The proof is the fact the dead children she ate are right there dancing alongside her with (presumably) also Carmel watching over her. It's all a fantasy, and one she'll probably get stuck in, allowing the Strawhats to leave and she thinks she's killed them – just how she convinced herself she didn't kill Carmel and the children.
Just quoting myself from the other thread:
"BM hallucination wouldn't work because how could she hallucinate about those things? I mean, she is hallucinating alright, Carmel and the kids as angels and all that stuff, but the rest? How would she know the Germa kids were fighting against her pirates at Cacao Island? How would she know which kids were there fighting them (like the guy with the black gloves)? How would she know bullets that could harm the Germa were about to arrive at that point? How would she know Judge was not there, but at the coast? And that Snack was there to fight him and not somewhere else? Or about his bandages over the right eye? Or that Luffy couldn't stand by himself, all his bandages and was missing a tooth? Those kinds of inconsistencies are usually looked over by other writers, but I would expect Oda to do better than that."
Plus, BM thinking the SH/Germa/Sun Pirates were defeated when she is not the one engaging them in a fight does very little to help them get out of their predicament.
How is Pudding more unlikely than a friggen mirage tempo?
Pudding is far away. And I mean mirage tempo as in just the sunny being protected, everything else did happen in the chapter.
Thing about Mirage Tempo is between the ruined Jolly Roger and the fire, it wouldn't make any sense.
Why doesn't anyone comment on my theory? :sad:
-> Wadatsumi took them underwater before the ship completely burned
Why doesn't anyone comment on my theory? :sad:
Ehh, but Oven just made it so that it's too hot for him to try something like that.
I'm curious about how the Germa will escape as much as how the Strawhats got away. An external intervention could resolve the Germa escape, but I fear they just will without any big explaination.
Or maybe they will not escape and that will be another good reason for tue Marines to get there as soon as possible. That'd be too good to be true.
Also I'll copy what I wrote in the poll thread since everyone posts here:
Sunny got hit, and has been heavily demaged but not destroyed. We are going to have a "Sunny moment" like the ones we got for the rest of the cast (except for Chopper obviously lol) during this escape.
The ship went underwater after being hit and struggles to come back up, but eventually it does and this gives the chance to the Strawhats to coup de burst the hell outta there.
Not really fond of this but it's the best I can come up with right now.
Why doesn't anyone comment on my theory? :sad:
We had a panel of Wadatsumi specifically running way minutes before. If anything, I would guess Oda inserted Oven's attack in this chapter exactly to justify the Sun Pirates not being able to help now.
How is Pudding more unlikely than a friggen mirage tempo?
A mirage tempo is perfectly in line with what Nami is already know to be capable of (provided there is an appropriate image nearby that she can use for her purposes - i.e. another burning ship)
Pudding doing some form of memory editing would either require her to be capable of rewriting the memories of hundreds, if not thousands of people at once (i.e. everyone on or near Cacao Island), or that she had spent an unknown amount of time systematically targeting each individual that was present without getting caught and this is all something the BMP are remembering after the fact (which is little different than the "BM's just hallucinating this" argument).
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I'm curious about how the Germa will escape as much as how the Strawhats got away. An external intervention could resolve the Germa escape, but I fear they just will without any big explaination.
Or maybe they will not escape and that will be another good reason for tue Marines to get there as soon as possible. That'd be too good to be true.
Stussy is at large at the moment. As Cipher Pol, I imagine there's a lot she can do to cause problems for Totland right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if Lucci had a detachment of CP-0 agents and Marines nearby just in case they get a chance to give Big Mom a metaphorical black eye in some way - or simply as an extraction team.
Also I'll copy what I wrote in the poll thread since everyone posts here:
Sunny got hit, and has been heavily demaged but not destroyed. We are going to have a "Sunny moment" like the ones we got for the rest of the cast (except for Chopper obviously lol) during this escape.
The ship went underwater after being hit and struggles to come back up, but eventually it does and this gives the chance to the Strawhats to coup de burst the hell outta there.Not really fond of this but it's the best I can come up with right now.
Been a while, so I'd have to look it up to be sure, but a lot of people have said they're too low on cola to pull off a Coup de Burst. Otherwise, they'd probably have used it by now.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
You're right:
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Although I don't know if they were talking about the cola that was ready to be used or all the cola they have on the ship.
Am I the only one who finds it very hilariously ironic that the Straw Hats never tried to restock on cola in the country literally made out of different types of food?
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
@Count:
Am I the only one who finds it very hilariously ironic that the Straw Hats never tried to restock on cola in the country literally made out of different types of food?
Eh, it's not like they had all the time in the world here
Speaking of Breaks, did Golden Week already happened?
Eh, it's not like they had all the time in the world here
I know they did not have any opportunity plot-wise, it's still funny to me though.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
@Count:
I know they did not have any opportunity plot-wise, it's still funny to me though.
True. Is there actually an island that showed/is named after cola btw?
My favorite Jinbe trait must be him completely freaking over every situation only to handle them with a bored face in the following chapter.
Turns out the water they're in is actually cola and the ship will auto-refill lol.
Speaking of Breaks, did Golden Week already happened?
its not until the end of April.
One thing I did notice that's a bit curious… Sanji wasn't shown in the last shot of the Strawhats on page 17.
The reason I bring that up is that it's reminiscent of his last minute disappearance in Enies Lobby, where he "Mr. Prince'd" the crew out of danger of the Buster Call Marine ships. Wonder what he's up to...
Without love, it cannot be seen.
True. Is there actually an island that showed/is named after cola btw?
Not that I am aware of. But there is a liquor island, an ice cream island, a silverware island, and a potato island that has potato chip and french fry structures. You can't tell me that Totland does not have either an island or ecological phenomena linked to creating soda.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
@Miss:
It's not Pudding or Brook/Nami; it's all in Big Mom's head, and the clues are right there plain for us to see:
When she first tastes the cake, she says she's "tasted something like this before." It's not until the end when we realize she's thinking back on her favorite food, the croquembouche from her childhood. More specifically, how it made her feel/hallucinate. We've seen this before; the flashback is paying off in more ways than one. Everything that happens in this chapter stops as soon as her musical starts, then literally everything else we see is in her mind.The proof is the fact the dead children she ate are right there dancing alongside her with (presumably) also Carmel watching over her. It's all a fantasy, and one she'll probably get stuck in, allowing the Strawhats to leave and she thinks she's killed them – just how she convinced herself she didn't kill Carmel and the children.
I have to hand it to Oda for having the balls to end it like this. But next chapter there are gonna be SO many people complaining that this is a cop-out. I honestly think it's one of the best ways this could have ended because 1: Luffy can never defeat Big Mom one on one and 2: the Strawhats cannot die. The end to this arc was ALWAYS going to be something like this.
"Presumably"… hehe, then you see what you write is just one possibility among many others. Yeap, also it's possible the panels about her allucinations are only few ones, not all the panels of the chapter.
I'm curious about how the Germa will escape as much as how the Strawhats got away. An external intervention could resolve the Germa escape, but I fear they just will without any big explaination.
Or maybe they will not escape and that will be another good reason for tue Marines to get there as soon as possible. That'd be too good to be true.
I was expecting an scene with Sanji and Judge meeting again and solvind their 'differences' (maybe Sanji cleaning his kitchen with Judge's face…), but with this chapter I think Germa is pretty much done for, and all we'll have about them both is that scene with Luffy thinking Judge was praising Sanji.
@Count:
Am I the only one who finds it very hilariously ironic that the Straw Hats never tried to restock on cola in the country literally made out of different types of food?
Oda would find it hilarious, I guess.
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What you think about my theory: Why isn't Jimbe in the chibi-stamp of the cover page? Because he'll be officially welcomed to the colour pages as one of the straw hats after he saves the strawhats and friends by creating an air big bubble and taking them to a safer place once the Sunny or got destroyed or goet severely damaged by the Queen Mama Chanter's shot.
Of course that's ad hoc reason but…
One thing I did notice that's a bit curious… Sanji wasn't shown in the last shot of the Strawhats on page 17.
The reason I bring that up is that it's reminiscent of his last minute disappearance in Enies Lobby, where he "Mr. Prince'd" the crew out of danger of the Buster Call Marine ships. Wonder what he's up to...
Maybe he's activating/preparing the coating.
At a certain point I completely lost the understanding for this chapter…. I think it was right after the chorus started.... when it went to WTF-mode... up until there all fine.. nice start of the climax...
Holy shit they dead :blink:
