Uuuuuuh so what is the consensus on JJK Shippuden being a thing
Jujutsu Kaisen
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I'm under the impression it ended because gege was done with it so I doubt it.
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One more for the road
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Who's the one next to Kashimo supposed to be?
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@pariston_hill Haibara
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Let me try to keep it short until the day comes when I gon on a spasm about the series as a whole.
While it might not be the best ending, I thought it was an alright ending. I believe there is a lot of audience projection from readers that has led to the ending being perceived as bad.
First off, the resolution between Yuji and Sukuna was pretty well done in the thematic sense. And this series has been mostly about Yuji and Sukuna which I believe is the story that Gege wanted to write.Regarding "why the hell is the numerous problems with JJK society still unchanged", keep in mind that except for Gojo, no other character has said outright that they wish to lead/reform the Jujutsu society. None of them has ever displayed a "I want to be Hokage" or my entire purpose is destruction/reformation type of Sasukesque approach.
Gojo did but he also said it'll be the next generation to change it and we know that the strongest sorcerers right now are Yuta, Yuuji, Maki and Megumi who are far and above the corrupted higher echoleons of said world. So while the series might benefit from a feel good page or two of them being in positions of power and everyone Jujutsu sorcerer being nice and principled, we know that it'll likely be a better Jujutsu society/system by default of knowing that the ones who have power and influence is our main characters.So unless people truly believe that we are going to get a breakdown/reformative arc or chapter that none of the characters have ever displayed wanting to do so, it makes sense for it to not happen.
"Curses should all die out" was never a solution that the series was heading to either. Yuuki might have suggested it but that's all it is, a singular character's suggestion and narrative. Most of the main crew, Gojo included, understood that as long as humans exist, curse energy/curses will exist. I think this is akin to saying that for some reason, the burden and responsibility of making the world a Nirvana should fall upon the main cast when once again, that was never their narrative arc. Remember Geto? Geto didn't loathe curses as much as he loathe humans. Yuuki presented two options: 1 where only sorcerers are alive and 2 where humanity controls their curse energy OR heavenly restriction like Maki.
I get that people might be expecting 2 to happen as sort of a resolution and a Demon slayer-esque ending but in Demon slayer, demons exist because the root is simple: Muzan, a singular character of unadulterated evil. Here, curses and curse energy exist because humanity have evil in them. There is no utopia unless humanity as a whole isn't flawed.
Curses are not some foreign enemy/alien/demons, they are from humanity and is by itself humanity itself. Unless conflict and negativity is straight out erased, cursed energy will exist.
This is akin to wanting One Piece to end with all evil pirates not existing and piracy being all good. It will never happen.JJK has a somewhat cyclical narrative to it and based on this chapter with Gojo, he's saying that we(Yuji) should still try and break that cycle. Just...think about the narrative theme for the story for a second here. It was never going to be a rainbow and sunshine ending but Gege didn't make it depressing because life carries on, cycle repeats itself but we still need to try and do good.
I don't know, I feel like this is more of a Japanese type of ending than it is a bad ending. Life goes on, the world will recover from Shibuya + Shinjuku, ultimately Sukuna, despite being the worlds greatest evil, is but a talisman and will stay as one and the world will move on from him. He has also moved on, in his own terms. Gojo tells everyone to move on from him. The culprit of this mission has accepted that he needs to move on for a better future in parallel to these themes. And Mahito, as a contrast, is stuck in suffering because he refuses to accept that the world moves on even without him.
Having the trio be on another mission to end the series is STILL better than the reincarnation chapter we got from Demon Slayer. Fight me. It suits the theme of how the world/life simply just..goes on.
This ending will do well in Japan because of how many Shinto Buddhism /buddhism values is in it. It will only be the west that is constantly spasming about it because of their differing expectations after being brought up with western values of the hero having to have to influence outward changes onto the world rather than the eastern values of inner change and enlightenment.
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The most vocal fanbase were going to find any ending bad. It happened to My Hero Academia and it's happening now with JJK. The common trend I'm finidng between the two is that the actual ending is fine, but the build-up to it is an issue, in the case of JJK it just felt dragged out. The Sukuna fight was just way too long and it was really hard to tell if the heroes were doing anything to Sukuna until the end point, partly because of the narrator.
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@zeltrax225
"Let's try to be short. Proceeds to Dickens out." Never change zeltrax, never change.I mostly agree with you. It was an alright ending, could've been better and could've been worse - as you said the reincarnation chapter of Demon Slayer might've been the most offensive way to end a manga that I've ever had.
Also worth saying never seen an author hate a character he created as much as Gege hates Gojo. He spent from Shibuya onwards trying to eliminate the man. That's hardboiled.
I just got confused when Sukuna talked about having two paths
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@pariston_hill I think its yorozu (the girl who love him) and Uraume which could represent friendship/companionship/having an equal. Remember, he said he had different "pathS" he could transverse. Which is to say the one he is currently on is not one of the ones shown. It doesn't make sense for him to be one the path with Yorozu since he doesn't love anything.
Sukuna also walked alone and was defeated because he was alone versus Yuji who had everyone else so the path he was on had to be one where he was walking alone.That's my interpretation anyway.
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@zeltrax225
Thanks, it's probably this but I failed to recognize the characters. -
valid callouts/bad writing stuff that I agree with though are the following:
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Yuji/Kenjaku's connection not being explored more. But then Yuji never showed an interest to who his parents were, he only truly cared about his grandpa. I'm pretty sure in the first chapter, he straight out didn't want to know. Still, it felt like essential to at least address why. And Kenjaku's plan as a whole had problems that could be easily resolved if Gege expanded on it.
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Yuki's loss. Not the outcome but more of the execution.
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Megumi, Tsumiki. Mostly Megumi taking a huge backseat for the last arc. His character mostly felt like wasted potential and I don't mean powers-wise but more of a character writing wise. I like how he never really wanted anything more than a simple life though and it showed throughout the series. Gojo wanted more for him but he never really cared about all that. He took up the role of a sorcerer for Tsumiki so while I get that he broke when she died, I just wished he had more of a role to played in the final arc. I won't know how once Sukuna took over though. His screentime in Culling games was great and he had an amazing fight but on average, he had significantly less screentime than Yuji but was framed as a second lead. If anything, Gojo felt more like a second lead. Which is insane to speak about where the mentor figure actually felt like a secondary main character.
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Angel. I don't dislike her but when compared to Hiruma, Takaba and hell, even that hair-beam guy, she was terribly average. That, and Sukuna being the "Fallen one" never being addressed.
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The Soldiers subplot was going somewhere, Gege got lazy of drawing uniforms and cheesed his way out of it. He admitted it so that's objectively bad writing.
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Nipple guy and what his name guy from Africa needed to be introduced way earlier. Like Culling Games early. I hated how abrupt they came in. Also what happened to the sky-folding girl in that three way fight that Yuta had?
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Maki. Pretty self explanatory. I get that while she doesn't deserve to be punished (debatable, really). She still did genocide an entire clan.
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Panda should have had a character moment instead of being a comic throughout. Especially since he has a deep connection with the Principle who died and called him his son.
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I'm sure the Shinjuku arc would have been way longer if Hakari vs Uraume was shown but come on.
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Hiruma should have died. I guess Gege just didn't want to repeat a Nanami situation but it felt like he let him live just because. But then his sword of justice didn't do shit so I can see why he lived (because there's no sacrifice here, he would have died pointlessly.)
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I like Mei Mei surviving despite the entire incest situation mainly because in the real world, people like that do thrive. But in a shounen manga, uh..I'm not really sure. She's actually a pretty cool character though but then you have to ask yourself if its really alright to portray her as cool considering what she has done with her brother. Then again, I thought Hiruma snapping and killing everyone in court was pretty cool and for some reason, that's more justifiable a character act(mass homicide) to me than incest.
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Battle systems can go way too deep at times. At least in HXH it didn't felt like an overjustification (just an over explanation), this here felt more justification than anything. (I'm looking at you, last last week's chapter.) And Binding vows were abused way too much for my liking. But then, it was mostly by Sukuna who ironically the plot armor went to. Which is weird considering you would think the protag should have them.
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I don't need One Piece level worldbuilding for the Heian era but would appreciate some bits about stuff like I've mentioned about how Sukuna's life (how he became the fallen one) and I felt like it was a waste to not show more of it. I don't think this is a deliberate less is more situation because Gege even brought up his past again this chapter. Wish we could have gotten more.
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I can't stress how much I enjoyed Kenjaku vs Takaba and how that's Gege's answer to Aizen. Which, by the way, with Joy Boy and how One Piece still retains its gag-roots, is how I feel is Oda's answer to the cyclical, cynical and depressing state of reality too. Comedy (and then, Joy). So I'm only putting this here because I too want more of Kenjaku. Just maybe before he dies.
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- Agreed.
- Agreed, Yuki didn't feel like a special grade she was supposed to (knowledge aside).
- Agreed.
- The backstory to the girl Angel is possessing is nice, but the Angel vs Sukuna feud felt empty.
- Worst.Subplot.Ever. (In JJK there bound to be worse offenders in manga).
- But they did appear in the Volume 0, or to say the pro-JJK that run in Jump with Yuuta. The "I hate the Fujiwaras" Gal is MIA.
- The correct term is familicide. And she did nothing wrong.
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- I thinking just showing Urume got lost in the pachinko domain rules but also getting luck rolls to debuff Hakari could work.
- Agreed.
- My interpretation is that she's a pedo, but was that really what Gege wanted to show? Or is any non pedo way to interpret that scene?
- Fraudkuna got the plot armor because Gege couldn't think about anything Malevolent Shrine/Kitchen aside cutting and burning stuff.
- I think 3 chapters worth of flashback would suffice, too many 1000 old sorcerers with grudes against Sukuna to not show much spinets on the whys.
- I agree, but only on parts. I feel Oda is overplaying in rubber hose/tom & jerry tropes rather than going to the fullest utilization of toon force, which leads to over repetition and saturation. (If I see one more eyes popping out I swear...)
And I will add one of my own:
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@pariston_hill
on 6, yeah JJK 0 and also Shibuya. But then they disappeared and pop out of nowhere. Not even one sentence or one small panel of shadow foot pre the gauntlet or even culling games for that matter.- yeah she was in bed naked with her younger brother exchanging really suggestive lines. It doesn't get more clear than that. Whether it is pedo or not depends on whether you see it as her doing the deed with him because he looks the closest to her and then cross reference it to her personality and see it as nihilism then maybeee you can say its not exactly pedo.
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@zeltrax225
I'm sure someone out there can excuse that as family bonds skinship.
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well. it ended.
it was an okayish ending chapter i guess? the chapter itself was okay, but the previous 2-3ish post-sukuna defeat chapters didn't really need to exist imo.
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Not a bad ending, honestly I did enjoy it more than MHA, still not perfect but I liked to see the three of them back together doing what they do best goofing around and helping people in need.
The conversation between Itadori and Gojo was ok, but what I really liked was the one between Mahito and Sukuna and the ending showing the last finger was epic, enshrined and being there forevermore. -
Director Shota Goshozono didn't forget to include the MVP Takaba
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It was an ok ending, and the last chapters kinda built room for it to go down like this. It wasn't a memorable ending, but good enough I guess.