Poor Luffy. He's on islands filled with food, but it's all sweets and no meat.
Chapter 895: Pirate Luffy vs. Sweet Commander Katakuri
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Isn't One Piece's over the top and frankly almost disney like designs what makes the series so endearing?
Out of the Big 4 Shonen (Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball) it's really the only one with this type of style. Really the others don't deviate that much.
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Check the comments under the vid. Some people do need it laid out to them plainly.
They're kids. What do we expect ^_^; That still doesn't make anything in the vid 'brilliant' which was my original observation.
'Helpful for young readers'? Sure!
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Isn't One Piece's over the top and frankly almost disney like designs what makes the series so endearing?
Out of the Big 4 Shonen (Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball) it's really the only one with this type of style. Really the others don't deviate that much.
Its design philosophy is why it didn’t catch on in the west.
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Isn't One Piece's over the top and frankly almost disney like designs what makes the series so endearing?
Absolutely. And according to Oda the art is disney based. lol.
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Well, there are also some sites which take everything from a real world physics angle and analyse power levels by doing some totally not overcomplicated computations… which also relies on proportions. That is, if Oda drew let's say Akainu's super nukes only one millimetre longer or shorter, they would get a completely different result regarding how many megatons/gigatons/whatevertons force is involved.
These sites are actually fucking hilarious as for example I once saw them arguing against Master Roshi being able to destroy a moon because it didn't fit their computations and powerscaling and therefore is an outlier which doesn't count at all. Despite well, Master Roshi just doing so...
Reading through that may take its toll by removing a little part of my soul, but it's funny so who cares...
^More reasons why "pixel scaling" in vs forums is retarded.
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They are not a prerequisite for any manga, depending on the context of course.
But for most people, One Piece is a "gateway" manga or anime, depending on the medium, and if people who normally only consume live action stuff or comics/anime with realistic context, One Piece is really out there.
For me it´s a positive thing, some people might not like it.Yeah for some reason people in the west can't handle One Piece's art at all. They prefer more serious looking stuff because anything that looks childish or playful is looked down upon. Despite the fact that this series is in fact far better written than some of the "mature" stories in the west.
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They're kids. What do we expect ^_^; That still doesn't make anything in the vid 'brilliant' which was my original observation.
'Helpful for young readers'? Sure!
No need to take one word and blow things out of proportion.
Instead of simply looking down on certain people for being young, stupid and "just not getting it" I'd rather appreciate that theres someone out there doing the series some justice. It's a well constructed video explaining an aspect of the series that makes it so beloved.
Too many people simply write off One Piece nowadays and theres hardly anyone eloquently explaining whats actually good about it.
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Authors are allowed to change their minds right? Cause I think holding him to a choice made like 10 years ago is kinda stupid.
Also this isn't one of the best fights in OP.
Comparing the other fights in OP, they have sort of been lacking. Great but lacking. All the hype and the build up with Doflamingo, then he's essentially nerfed and the fight was disappointing.
As for the new world, we have Chinjao, Ceaser and Hody, none of which were "Great" so in regards to New world so far, it's definitely the best.
It's only competitor is Rob Lucci. That's it.
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Mango was so weak, he could not take a punch without being sent flying,
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I'd rather appreciate that theres someone out there doing the series some justice.
There are certifiably brilliant people on this forum (of whom I am certainly not one ^o^) who've been doing that for over 15 years.
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There are certifiably brilliant people on this forum (of whom I am certainly not one ^o^) who've been doing that for over 15 years.
Yeah but not in the general anime community. YT is a much broader platform.
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I've been thinking lately, how does Katakuri spawn Mochi out of thin air and turn them to Hakified fist? Or are we letting that slide because he's fans "favorite" villain? I know several OP fan site that will crash in anger if a certain pirate can spawn multiple Kong gun out of thin air.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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I've been thinking lately, how does Katakuri spawn Mochi out of thin air and turn them to Hakified fist? Or are we letting that slide because he's fans "favorite" villain? I know several OP fan site that will crash in anger if a certain pirate can spawn multiple Kong gun out of thin air.
Maybe "special" paramecia justifies it since we don't have any precedent for it yet. Some are theorizing Luffy is a special paramecia so he could take inspiration from this fight.
Or maybe it's just part of his awakening shrugs
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Pell didn't say it and the quote wasn't that there were only five flight-capable DF's.
The quote was, Pell's is one of five known DF's that allow flight.
There are users we've seen whose capabilities may simply not be known to the world at large but we've had the advantage of seeing.
You need to go back to 1998 to catch Oda on that point when he said his crew wouldn't fly b/c that makes it magical.
Well, he has a pseudo-physics explanation so he tried but he definitely seems to have folded on that general stance.
Must admit, this made me laugh the first time i read it xD I was like… oh yeah, Pell only knows five Devil fruits that allows flight... oh wait, next arc comes the main antagonist that got his power thanks to have read the Devil Fruits Encyclopedia; where the powers of the fruit, and even how the next fruit with its power will look, appears... an info that by now only him and Sanji've read, the latter to enter women restrooms.
The strongest warrior of Arabasta, kindgom existing since 4000 yrs ago, doesn't know what it says... i can accept that attitude from CP9, a bunch of ignorants that live to work and nothing more far from their pride to acknowledged themselves as strongests, but from him... duh.
There's a difference between Oda making a hard "never to be broken" rule, and "general guideline."… and even that is allowed to stretch after twenty years of ongoing narrative and him growing and changing as an author, long as it doesn't actually betray the story as a whole.
98% of the situations that i think that comes from the guide are made thanks to Haki.
The 2% falls on the SMILE thing… i hated the fact of Devil Fruits made by humans, supposedly resembling the conditions of those other fruits... i can assure almost any One Piece reader thought that those fruits came from a tree... even more with Oda introducing the concept of "Treasure Tree" to its story.
Ugh.
I don't see how Luffy not beign allowed to lose makes this fight boring. To me this is one of best fights in OP so far.
Rly bruh?
Well, can't blame on ya.
The speed now increased a lot, Oda did a good work on that… 15 chapters of Katakuri slaughtering Luffy, a counter of 5 punches, some nerfing... to finally a tied battle with moves never seen before is great even to me.
Yet, this doesn't even comes close to my OP's favorite fight: Zoro + Sanji Vs Groggy Monsters.
Hell, that had everything i could ask from Oda to make a fight!@K.:
Mango was so weak, he could not take a punch without being sent flying,
Doflamingo >> Luffy (-PA)
Just sayin'
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I've been thinking lately, how does Katakuri spawn Mochi out of thin air and turn them to Hakified fist? Or are we letting that slide because he's fans "favorite" villain? I know several OP fan site that will crash in anger if a certain pirate can spawn multiple Kong gun out of thin air.
So, you do like to mess with Goatkuri, huh?
Let me tell you… Mochi Donuts comes from Awakening effect on the floor, every donut from him comes from the floor actually, even the ones in 895.
Haki... everything can have Haki now... Zoro puts Haki on an air-slash, Doflamingo puts Haki on Awakened threads to face KKG... if Luffy eats Toriko's God, and suddenly gets an improvement in willpower and covers an entire island of Haki, it would be comprehensible by now... cause Haki is the main power of OP... Rayleigh teaches that with it you can see the aura of all attacks... you check the future time... in other words, time is always attacking you :ninja:
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I've been thinking lately, how does Katakuri spawn Mochi out of thin air and turn them to Hakified fist? Or are we letting that slide because he's fans "favorite" villain? I know several OP fan site that will crash in anger if a certain pirate can spawn multiple Kong gun out of thin air.
So, you do like to mess with Goatkuri, huh?
Let me tell you… Mochi Donuts comes from Awakening effect on the floor, every donut from him comes from the floor actually, even the ones in 895.
Haki... everything can have Haki now... Zoro puts Haki on an air-slash, Doflamingo puts Haki on Awakened threads to face KKG... if Luffy eats Toriko's God, and suddenly gets an improvement in willpower and covers an entire island of Haki, it would be comprehensible by now... cause Haki is the main power of OP... Rayleigh teaches that with it you can see the aura of all attacks... you check the future time... in other words, time is always attacking you :ninja:
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Yeah but not in the general anime community.
My original point stands ^_^;
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So, you do like to mess with Goatkuri, huh?
Let me tell you… Mochi Donuts comes from Awakening effect on the floor, every donut from him comes from the floor actually, even the ones in 895.
Haki... everything can have Haki now... Zoro puts Haki on an air-slash, Doflamingo puts Haki on Awakened threads to face KKG... if Luffy eats Toriko's God, and suddenly gets an improvement in willpower and covers an entire island of Haki, it would be comprehensible by now... cause Haki is the main power of OP... Rayleigh teaches that with it you can see the aura of all attacks... you check the future time... in other words, time is always attacking you :ninja:
Lets accept we blame that ass pull on awakening, how is he putting Haki on something he did not touch? Zoro's slash came from the sword he's holding, Mingo is making some kind of contact with the strings. How is Katakuri coating galactic donuts?
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Since luffy's new mode is SNAKEman, his final attack that will defeat katakuri is likely based on the giant snake NOLA from Skypiea. Similar to king kong, luffy inflates his arm while in gear 4 snakeman and grows giant resembling nola.
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Lets accept we blame that ass pull on awakening, how is he putting Haki on something he did not touch? Zoro's slash came from the sword he's holding, Mingo is making some kind of contact with the strings. How is Katakuri coating galactic donuts?
From my love to Katakuri, i tell you that comes from that bubbles on his hands that are supposed to focus on the middle of donuts like transporting the punch.
From my critic point of view to mediocre things, i tell you that a ability never showed before, and that resembles a sci-fi's idea of a Stargate, or a teleportation camera to move to other places… where the pluses of doing it are bigger attacks (the punch becomes attains the size of the donut) and the impredictable positions where are made, lack to everything that Oda has put as rules to Devil Fruits, Haki, Will of D., VOAT, and only falls to a hype cathegory.
It truly makes that skill as one of following power-ups above even the mighty CoC.From my both points i tell you that you should ask Greg about that, he likes to defend One Piece, i do not.
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I've been thinking lately, how does Katakuri spawn Mochi out of thin air and turn them to Hakified fist? Or are we letting that slide because he's fans "favorite" villain? I know several OP fan site that will crash in anger if a certain pirate can spawn multiple Kong gun out of thin air.
At this point, very little about devil fruits is consistent or makes much sense. Any weird shit can happen now and it can be explained away by it being a "special" fruit, or an "awakened fruit" (whatever the hell that means). By Oda's own established laws, that mochi fruit should be a logia.. yet here we are.
Expect this shit to get worse as the series progresses.
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I can explain how the fist forms and gains momentum from a donut. Donut rotates in the direction of the attack, turning mochi into a fist and the fist is sent flying.
The floating in the air and being immovable against the recoil of a connecting attack?
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Rly bruh?
Well, can't blame on ya.
The speed now increased a lot, Oda did a good work on that… 15 chapters of Katakuri slaughtering Luffy, a counter of 5 punches, some nerfing... to finally a tied battle with moves never seen before is great even to me.
Yet, this doesn't even comes close to my OP's favorite fight: Zoro + Sanji Vs Groggy Monsters.
Hell, that had everything i could ask from Oda to make a fight!Luffys fights have always been about his ridiculous endurance. I was worrying about that when he came out of timeskip, because at that point with haki training he did I thought that it would negate the point of having the timeskip if he still had sto struggle to win fights. Well, in that sense I like that Luffy didn't have problems against his opponents until it came to Doflamingo. But now with Katakuri as opponent we've gotten another fight that have gone back to those roots. The problem there is that this isn't anything new for Luffy to have this level of endurance.
If you think that it's bad writing, then I guess the same applies on Paradise half of the adventure. But I disagree on it beign bad writing, because the main theme of OP battles is willpower, down to the point that it's been developed into actual great power in the OP-verse. The ridiculous endurance is a way to show strong willpower. In One Piece willpower have power to exceed physical limitations. Am I wrong about that or is Oda legitimately that bad at knowing how a body works that he believes that someone can keep fighting while having their brains scorched through skull and exposed in air?
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Lets accept we blame that ass pull on awakening, how is he putting Haki on something he did not touch? Zoro's slash came from the sword he's holding, Mingo is making some kind of contact with the strings. How is Katakuri coating galactic donuts?
Obviously Haki can be mentally imbued onto anything inherently connected to the users's will. Thought this was discussed already.
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I'm pretty sure you have to touch something to put haki in it. Otherwise there would have been haki wrapped up on Fujitora's meteorites.
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A haki arrow will still have haki once it's loosed, if Amazon Lily is anything to go by
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Haki isn't gonna remain on the arrow for the years though. More like seconds, or at least until it touches its target.
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They're kids. What do we expect ^_^; That still doesn't make anything in the vid 'brilliant' which was my original observation.
'Helpful for young readers'? Sure!
Idk I think your underestimating your grasp on the series compared to others. Not only kids but older fans can miss some of non surface level. 99% of one piece analysis videos would be superfluous to you because it'd be like telling steph curry tips about good jumpshots.
They have value even if not as much for the more veteran fans of the series, and even if someone is an annoying "powerlevels are the only thing that matter" 17 YO fan whose to say they dont grow out of that are start appreciating the finer things. Bringing in people into one piece by stating why its not just some run of the mill shonen is what some of these guys do, particularly the analysis guys.
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Katakuri is touching the air and the floor. Case closed.
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Luffys fights have always been about his ridiculous endurance. I was worrying about that when he came out of timeskip, because at that point with haki training he did I thought that it would negate the point of having the timeskip if he still had sto struggle to win fights. Well, in that sense I like that Luffy didn't have problems against his opponents until it came to Doflamingo. But now with Katakuri as opponent we've gotten another fight that have gone back to those roots. The problem there is that this isn't anything new for Luffy to have this level of endurance.
If you think that it's bad writing, then I guess the same applies on Paradise half of the adventure. But I disagree on it beign bad writing, because the main theme of OP battles is willpower, down to the point that it's been developed into actual great power in the OP-verse. The ridiculous endurance is a way to show strong willpower. In One Piece willpower have power to exceed physical limitations. Am I wrong about that or is Oda legitimately that bad at knowing how a body works that he believes that someone can keep fighting while having their brains scorched through skull and exposed in air?
Your point is interesting, i think you're not wrong, but being honest… i'm not picky with endurance matters.
I do not stop my read to think why is a character with such energy boost that makes him endure that much. Luffy, Zoro and Usopp are characters that can fight 10 days long without getting tired and that's fine to me, because of what i've seen before. Oda introduced the huge amount of calories burned as Gear Fourth' secondary effect, with Luffy doing it, i don't mind him being tired somewhere at the battle process, it's a shame if he continues either way but that's PA working, so it's expected.
Bad writing are wounds, the development of Jinbe giving a transfusion to Luffy destroyed all the other displays of endurance from him, Luffy beat Crocodile thanks to fight while bleeding endlessly for Usopp' sake! Here, you have Luffy fighting without one part of his torso, at FI you had Luffy almost dying because some wounds on his shoulder, approx 5 holes on each side of it. That is preposterous for me.
For example, Katakuri got thorns in each knee, one is black, the other white... both look sharp, are thorns ofc. At this chapter, you have a panel with Katakuri knocking Luffy's face with the black thorn knee, and Luffy is not using Buso on his face to protect himself... from a sharp object. That was one of his many weaknesses back at Paradise, that's the only thing i can infer cause now it doesn't make the damage that induced before, thing is Oda hasn't made clear that point. An interesting question that i would gladly wait for its anwser would be: Is this a never to be broken rule or a general guideling?
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@Miss:
At this point, very little about devil fruits is consistent or makes much sense. Any weird shit can happen now and it can be explained away by it being a "special" fruit, or an "awakened fruit" (whatever the hell that means). By Oda's own established laws, that mochi fruit should be a logia.. yet here we are.
Expect this shit to get worse as the series progresses.Fair enough, I just want the fan base to accept when something similar happens to the protagonist and his crew. These days, people are quick to bare their fangs on the Luffy but let things slide for others. Can you imagine the meltdown we will have if Luffy can do multiple Kong Gun out of thin air? YouTube is filled with people questioning Oda wondering why Luffy is dead yet.
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Can you imagine the meltdown we will have if Luffy can do multiple Kong Gun out of thin air?
Why didn't we have that already?
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Why didn't we have that already?
That's another form of gatling. I referring to the way Kataturi does "Power Mochi".
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I've been thinking lately, how does Katakuri spawn Mochi out of thin air and turn them to Hakified fist? Or are we letting that slide because he's fans "favorite" villain? I know several OP fan site that will crash in anger if a certain pirate can spawn multiple Kong gun out of thin air.
Didn't the tips of Doflamingo's tentacles were also imbued with haki?
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That's another form of gatling. I referring to the way Kataturi does "Power Mochi".
That makes more sense.
And people are more harsh towards Luffy because people expect Oda to put more effort into the characterization of main characters than one-time supporting characters or enemies. The latter is more forgivable especially when you consider how lengthy the series is and the type of schedule Oda deals with as a mangaka. Random character who pulls out random attack for a random-themed power that we've only gotten to know for a single arc is much less striking than a main character we've seen for twenty years with a power we know the ins and outs of getting new ability that almost completely defies the "rules" we associated with their skill set. Probably because it betrays a cornerstone of consistency we've come to associate with the author, which in turn would make fans think he's caring less about his series' quality over time in favor of meeting deadlines with whatever random whims come to mind.
Luffy's rubber powers are very simple and operate purely on intuitive principles of elasticity/malleability. They're not even as conceptually fantastical as Sanji creating Diable Jambe with friction heat or whatever the hell Zoro's Asura was (which is probably just a Hinduism aesthetic Oda thought looked cool, he always love surface level coolness with swordsman abilities). I daresay that the most absurd things Luffy has done with his Devil Fruit are Gear Second and Culverin, everything else is as simple as "my bones are rubber like balloons, so they'll enlarge like a balloon if I bite into them and blow air". So if you have Luffy, say, conjuring multiple arms like Katakuri or summoning Kong Gun punch portals, of course people would call BS on that. Because it ruins the consistency behind an aesthetic for a power they've been accustomed for years. It's a big part of why they liked Luffy in the first place as the protagonist.
And we've already gotten used to the concept of Awakening with Doflamingo (and I believe he imbued Haki into it too). So even in the scope of only focusing on antagonists, Katakuri doesn't really stand out as an anomaly. And when you consider how Awakenings are still controlled by their user, is it really that much of a stretch to think Haki can be applied when it's willpower made tangible? It's a mental drive made into physical construct. And Awakening is just the external environment version of a usual Devil Fruit or weapon attack. Applying a mental-based power onto a mental-based power instead of the usual physical-based power isn't that hard to believe.
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The speed now increased a lot, Oda did a good work on that… 15 chapters of Katakuri slaughtering Luffy, a counter of 5 punches, some nerfing... to finally a tied battle with moves never seen before is great even to me.
Yet, this doesn't even comes close to my OP's favorite fight: Zoro + Sanji Vs Groggy Monsters.
Hell, that had everything i could ask from Oda to make a fight!
is always attacking you :ninja:Oh I think it is one of the first time I see someone share my opinion for One Piece best fight !
As for the haki discussion, it’s a long time since I stopped trying to find any logic in the concept. The donut attacks from katakuri are cool and entertaining, that’s all I need as explanation. As for Luffy resistence, well that’s the zombi effect Bigivel spoke about. Probably past chapters should have been less one sided for this part being more satisfying. Still in such case it’s better to not try thinking to much and just enjoy the show
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Bad writing are wounds, the development of Jinbe giving a transfusion to Luffy destroyed all the other displays of endurance from him, Luffy beat Crocodile thanks to fight while bleeding endlessly for Usopp' sake! Here, you have Luffy fighting without one part of his torso, at FI you had Luffy almost dying because some wounds on his shoulder, approx 5 holes on each side of it. That is preposterous for me.
One exception can't be proof for a trend beign broken. Why throw an entire concept away just because there is one instance where it didn't seem to work?
Anyway, the story is written in way for the blood loss to make sense. Luffy was throwing the Gear 3 elephant gattling to destroy Noah with the open wounds, making him spill the huge amount of blood through the process. After he stopped the attack Shirahoshi commented on how his wounds are wide open and he's covered in blood, with him promptly fainting afterwards. Also he fainted after the fight was over, because at that point he no longer had reason to exert willpower to defy his physical limitations.@Shobu:
For example, Katakuri got thorns in each knee, one is black, the other white… both look sharp, are thorns ofc. At this chapter, you have a panel with Katakuri knocking Luffy's face with the black thorn knee, and Luffy is not using Buso on his face to protect himself... from a sharp object. That was one of his many weaknesses back at Paradise, that's the only thing i can infer cause now it doesn't make the damage that induced before, thing is Oda hasn't made clear that point. An interesting question that i would gladly wait for its anwser would be: Is this a never to be broken rule or a general guideling?
Luffy can be cut yes, but one thing that I think have to be considered is that since he's Rubber he doesn't get damaged by stabbing wounds that much, because damage from getting stabbed is only partially due to cut itself. Another reason for stabbing wounds to be severe is because object inside of wound tears and squashes flesh around and causes additional damage, but because Luffy is rubber you can twist a sword pierced through his body and it won't aggravate the wound.
As for the instance itself, Luffy dind't actually get pierced by spike, his head got bent in. Guess the spike just wasn't sharp enough.
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@Long:
and even if someone is an annoying "powerlevels are the only thing that matter" 17 YO fan whose to say they dont grow out of that are start appreciating the finer things.
I think some might misunderstand my position towards the different kinds of OP discussions out there.
I actually prefer PL discussions to the previous alternative. The latter is not moving in a forward direction, it's just treading.
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One exception can't be proof for a trend beign broken. Why throw an entire concept away just because there is one instance where it didn't seem to work?
Anyway, the story is written in way for the blood loss to make sense. Luffy was throwing the Gear 3 elephant gattling to destroy Noah with the open wounds, making him spill the huge amount of blood through the process. After he stopped the attack Shirahoshi commented on how his wounds are wide open and he's covered in blood, with him promptly fainting afterwards. Also he fainted after the fight was over, because at that point he no longer had reason to exert willpower to defy his physical limitations.Luffy can be cut yes, but one thing that I think have to be considered is that since he's Rubber he doesn't get damaged by stabbing wounds that much, because damage from getting stabbed is only partially due to cut itself. Another reason for stabbing wounds to be severe is because object inside of wound tears and squashes flesh around and causes additional damage, but because Luffy is rubber you can twist a sword pierced through his body and it won't aggravate the wound.
As for the instance itself, Luffy dind't actually get pierced by spike, his head got bent in. Guess the spike just wasn't sharp enough.
Seems to me you're trying to defend the consistency of wounds in OP, which is a war you'll never be able to win.
Oda creates wounds for intermediate effect mostly. Scars are there to be reminders of turning points in character development. Important characters' development, anyway. That's why, instead of Luffy being covered in scars and missing teeth, when this arc is over, he'll be down to eye scar, chest scar and a full set of thirty teeth again. There's no mark of Crocodile's hook stab, or numerous Lucci's Shingans or Hody's bite marks or any other stabs or cuts he received over time, other than what he did to himself and what Akainu left him with.
It doesn't mean Oda has to draw every single effect of a wounding all the time, of course. But lets not pretend we don't know what Shobu is talking about.
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Are are we talking about how many unrealistic damage a character from a shonen series can take it?
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Are are we talking about how many unrealistic damage a character from a shonen series can take it?
You can trivialize the discussion if you like, but it doesn't mean the series can do whatever it wants and get a free pass every time.
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I mean, Whitebeard lost half of his head and could still fight for like 30 minutes or so.
And if it makes you feel better, the fact that Zoro lost about 4 liters of blood against Mihawk did him a toll against Hachi.
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I mean, Whitebeard lost half of his head and could still fight for like 30 minutes or so.
And if it makes you feel better, the fact that Zoro lost about 4 liters of blood against Mihawk did him a toll against Hachi.
He didn't lose half of his head, his face was torn off. Just looked that way because Whitebeard's head is a little cone shaped. Someone here said his brain was in the open but I don't remember seeing any panel showing that.
Also, don't remember Zoro needing an urgent blood transfusion neither after Mihawk nor after Kuma. As far as Shichibukai are concerned. When it comes to Zoro, if he hasn't lost at least a liter or 2 of blood, it's like he hasn't even fought.
Oda doesn't care for wound consistency. I'm not saying it's wrong. He chooses what to emphasize and what not to emphasize. It's a high fantasy setting, after all.
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Seems to me you're trying to defend the consistency of wounds in OP, which is a war you'll never be able to win.
Oda creates wounds for intermediate effect mostly. Scars are there to be reminders of turning points in character development. Important characters' development, anyway. That's why, instead of Luffy being covered in scars and missing teeth, when this arc is over, he'll be down to eye scar, chest scar and a full set of thirty teeth again. There's no mark of Crocodile's hook stab, or numerous Lucci's Shingans or Hody's bite marks or any other stabs or cuts he received over time, other than what he did to himself and what Akainu left him with.
It doesn't mean Oda has to draw every single effect of a wounding all the time, of course. But lets not pretend we don't know what Shobu is talking about.
I'm just answering to side point on how rubber would work against cuts. My main point is that characters in OP-verse are able to exceed their physical limitations through willpower. Willpower as a supernatural force already on top of characters having supernaturally strong bodies.
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I think some might misunderstand my position towards the different kinds of OP discussions out there.
I actually prefer PL discussions to the previous alternative. The latter is not mobing in a forward direction, it's just treading.
Ehhh I dont think that PLl discussions are necessarily bad in a vacuum if you realize the limitations of it and why they can be bent or more malleable than they first appear to fit the story. A good shonen battle manga will have characters with more or less defined amounts of what they can do, how they can do it and how effective it is vs people of a certain level. A great battle shonen manga will have the same things but use characterization in the fights so you aren't just interested from a visual perspective.
What I'm talking about are the people who dislike character's or would be upset over certain story elements coming true because it deprives them of fights. People that were upset with your cake theory because why isnt sanji kicking ass instead of building some silly cake. Or people that say "sanji get one shot by daifuku, he doesnt belong in the monster trio anymore" ignoring the context of the situation was sanji running to his family…errr the vinsmokes to save them.
So I wasnt trying to characterize it as battle manga fans who take a great interest in rating or comparing one piece characters but those who take interest in one piece solely for that and dont care about the other >50% of it that isnt about fights. These people can also miss things like context in these fights and determine their own assumptions about how good of a character someone is because of it. Those people I dont really appreciate reading and when there are large scale discussions of fights you're bound to run into those types at least more often than here.
The issues with fighting on AP are more so related to the believability of the results and that the actions make sense and are easy to understand on panel.
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That sounds reasonable.
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Yeah, even though people might disagree, its starting to feel like Oda is stretching Luffy's endurance just a bit too much. But I understand its just a product of shonen in general, it tends to try to top itself as it goes on. I guess the question here is, how far is too far with Luffy's endurance? When I look back, its hard for me to find what the limit was before. From climbing a ice mountain with his bare hands, to fighting Crocodile while bleeding to death and ignoring poison in his body with sheer willpower, to the entire Rob Lucci fight, to 100 shadows, to surviving Iva's poison treatment, to nearly bleeding to death by stopping the Noah, to the 24 hour biscuits fight, to now, Luffy's endurance seems to get harder and harder to simply accept. This is just my opinion, but the part that made it a bit hard to accept his endurance in this fight is, specifically, after all that has happened, he pulls out a new gear four mode, and….not only does it seem kinda average, it doesn't actually do that amazing against Katakuri. I could just be spoiled when it comes to gear forms, cause I am used to them completely dominating once they come out (gear second trashed Blueno, gear third crippled Lucci's legs, and gear fourth nearly beat Doffy before the time ran out the first time), while here, Luffy gets one punch thanks to Snakeman, and Katakuri instantly sees through it and they end up even. Then again, I am still holding out hope that Snakeman still has a move that might actually win, like how jet gatling suddenly beat Lucci. Ultimately though, his endurance doesn't bother me that much, just makes me fear for the future. What will fans say if we reach a battle where Luffy fights for three or four days straight while severely injured? Would fans still accept it? I dunno, I wouldn't, but I dunno.
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Yeah, even though people might disagree, its starting to feel like Oda is stretching Luffy's endurance just a bit too much. But I understand its just a product of shonen in general, it tends to try to top itself as it goes on. I guess the question here is, how far is too far with Luffy's endurance? When I look back, its hard for me to find what the limit was before. From climbing a ice mountain with his bare hands, to fighting Crocodile while bleeding to death and ignoring poison in his body with sheer willpower, to the entire Rob Lucci fight, to 100 shadows, to surviving Iva's poison treatment, to nearly bleeding to death by stopping the Noah, to the 24 hour biscuits fight, to now, Luffy's endurance seems to get harder and harder to simply accept. This is just my opinion, but the part that made it a bit hard to accept his endurance in this fight is, specifically, after all that has happened, he pulls out a new gear four mode, and….not only does it seem kinda average, it doesn't actually do that amazing against Katakuri. I could just be spoiled when it comes to gear forms, cause I am used to them completely dominating once they come out (gear second trashed Blueno, gear third crippled Lucci's legs, and gear fourth nearly beat Doffy before the time ran out the first time), while here, Luffy gets one punch thanks to Snakeman, and Katakuri instantly sees through it and they end up even. Then again, I am still holding out hope that Snakeman still has a move that might actually win, like how jet gatling suddenly beat Lucci. Ultimately though, his endurance doesn't bother me that much, just makes me fear for the future. What will fans say if we reach a battle where Luffy fights for three or four days straight while severely injured? Would fans still accept it? I dunno, I wouldn't, but I dunno.
Luffy is only doing a small fraction of what the big boys are doing in the new world. Akainu vs Aokiji : 10 Days.
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Yeah, even though people might disagree, its starting to feel like Oda is stretching Luffy's endurance just a bit too much. But I understand its just a product of shonen in general, it tends to try to top itself as it goes on. I guess the question here is, how far is too far with Luffy's endurance? When I look back, its hard for me to find what the limit was before. From climbing a ice mountain with his bare hands, to fighting Crocodile while bleeding to death and ignoring poison in his body with sheer willpower, to the entire Rob Lucci fight, to 100 shadows, to surviving Iva's poison treatment, to nearly bleeding to death by stopping the Noah, to the 24 hour biscuits fight, to now, Luffy's endurance seems to get harder and harder to simply accept. This is just my opinion, but the part that made it a bit hard to accept his endurance in this fight is, specifically, after all that has happened, he pulls out a new gear four mode, and….not only does it seem kinda average, it doesn't actually do that amazing against Katakuri. I could just be spoiled when it comes to gear forms, cause I am used to them completely dominating once they come out (gear second trashed Blueno, gear third crippled Lucci's legs, and gear fourth nearly beat Doffy before the time ran out the first time), while here, Luffy gets one punch thanks to Snakeman, and Katakuri instantly sees through it and they end up even. Then again, I am still holding out hope that Snakeman still has a move that might actually win, like how jet gatling suddenly beat Lucci. Ultimately though, his endurance doesn't bother me that much, just makes me fear for the future. What will fans say if we reach a battle where Luffy fights for three or four days straight while severely injured? Would fans still accept it? I dunno, I wouldn't, but I dunno.
I figure we wont ever have to worry about that too much because oda would never want to show that much of a fight, though he have had a lot of luffy vs katakuri, he's had luffy escape after g4 qnd basicalky be gone for 3 hours, the in between we didnt see and then in 894 he skipped 2 hours in a montage cutting away and back to luffy.
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I'm pretty sure you have to touch something to put haki in it. Otherwise there would have been haki wrapped up on Fujitora's meteorites.
Luffy has trouble coating Haki on his body and even Doflamingo knows that that's going to drain you.
The meteorites were preeeeetty big, I don't think you would wanna coat that.
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Luffy has trouble coating Haki on his body and even Doflamingo knows that that's going to drain you.
The meteorites were preeeeetty big, I don't think you would wanna coat that.
I'm not sure where this conversation has started, but my point was that Dofamingo can coat his strings (see the page in which Luffy lost his haki and Doffy is trashing the entire country) because it comes from him while Fujitora can't coat a meteorite because his power isn't consisting in manipulating meteorites but gravity. Hence why Katakuri can wrap up haki on his "doughnut attacks" even though they come out of thin air imo
The other thing that can be coated are basic items and weapons. What I mean is that, I don't think we'll ever see anyone coating a ship with haki, or a house. We'll never see someone wrap up haki around something far away like Shikamaru can do with his "shadow power" (or whatever it was)
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The admirals made a haki dome, argument invalid.
Originally Posted by Monkey King
I want everyone to note, in about ten minutes of time, a Bosnian, a Saudi Arabian, an American, and a Brazilian all sat around millions of miles away from eachother discussing rubber pirate comic books from Japan.
You've all had your 21st Century moment for the day, carry one.
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@Count:
That makes more sense.
And people are more harsh towards Luffy because people expect Oda to put more effort into the characterization of main characters than one-time supporting characters or enemies. The latter is more forgivable especially when you consider how lengthy the series is and the type of schedule Oda deals with as a mangaka. Random character who pulls out random attack for a random-themed power that we've only gotten to know for a single arc is much less striking than a main character we've seen for twenty years with a power we know the ins and outs of getting new ability that almost completely defies the "rules" we associated with their skill set. Probably because it betrays a cornerstone of consistency we've come to associate with the author, which in turn would make fans think he's caring less about his series' quality over time in favor of meeting deadlines with whatever random whims come to mind.
Luffy’s awakening will be the power of erasing stuff in his proximity from existence. You know, like an https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraser
At this point, every enemy will be vanquished instantaneously and rest of the series will be a cake walk. Luffy will be the strongest individual combined with the strongest fruit.
Given what we have seen I wouldn’t really be surprised if it came to this… the level of exaggeration has been too high since fishman island. Didn’t really get better past that.
