Just cause one guy is physically stronger than his/her opponent doesn't mean a win is guaranteed. Just cause the stronger guy lands more hits than the opponent doesn't mean a win is guaranteed.
Luffy is Ali and Katakuri is Foreman.
Or Rocky and Apollo 
I really don't like the Snakeman form. He should just be able to do as much with Boundman. It only emphasize how obselete the other gear are.
Fight was a nice action piece. My favorite aspects come definitely from Dogtooth. He looks great on that one panel after slamming Luffy(reminds me of roid Hody) and his donought dodge was weirdly satisfying.
Also I may not like the mode but I really love the visual of the punch that has travel everywhere to land on Dogtooth's face.
Was Luffy improvement in Coo ever relevant?
I wonder how DoFlamingo (at full strength ,unlike when he fought vs SH after being weakened by TL) would fare against Katakuri
Try to Porcupine him with awakaning I guess. If Dogtooth can dodge it all the fight would just run until his Coo run out then he gets porcupine. I mean he still can't put Luffy down after all that beating and Doffly is a beast in endurance.
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Most satisfying chapter of One Piece I've read since the timeskip, easily. Well Kaido's introduction is up there. But this. This feels like an actual brawl, and not a mostly one-sided decimation from Katakuri to Luffy. This is a very satisfying answer to the continual beatdowns Luffy's had to endure. Very fluid dynamic art, and Katakuri's "composed" mask is totally gone.
Also… One Piece is f*cking brutal, dude. Luffy got a spiked knee to the face, WHILE his side is still hollowed out. That's among other near-grievous injuries from this chapter.
I am still feeling this fight will be a draw, with Katakuri accepting a 'spiritual' defeat, as in Luffy defeated him in spirit.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
I didn't quite like the attack style of Snake Man, although did not mind the transformation of this particular Gear 4 mode. I greatly liked the design, except the hair… I just think snake bending attacks as being the main form of attack seemed a little stupid in terms of effectiveness, and also hard to draw it seems. Just very chaotic...
And it was at that point I think Oda wants to portray Luffy's style of combat as limiting having reached it's utmost limit, therefore Luffy may in his awakening possibly mimic Katakuri's. Because rubber in it's beginning form is a liquid sap, so it could work technically. But I could be wrong... I was just not very convinced that Snake Man could be effective with all the bending attacks, especially against Katakuri. It seems forced. IF Snake Man followed Luffy's regular attack pattern, then I would have agreed. Just out-speed the opponent with more powerful attacks (than Gear 2nd), and land attacks as being the most important part. But don't make python the main method of attack... I didn't like it nor did I find it convincing
Hope the fight isn't over because the (supposedly) final clash left a lot to be desired. Lacked that special impact Oda can give to some scenes.
Couldn't agree more with that, and also the rest of your post. Now that you bring it up, what we've seen so far of King Cobra - admittedly not much, Oda could still surprise us - really pales compared to the King Kong Gun finale of Dressrosa.
On a side note, I noticed only the third time that in this form, Luffy punches not with his full fist but with the clenched middle joint of his fingers. It's a nice touch, does make his arm look a little like a snake (that may not be new, though, I didn't pay enough attention to Boundman's Culverin).
I think you might be right. I remember "Which one of you is Arlong."
He also has not nicknamed Blackbeard, either. But then, maybe because Ace said it, it was imprinted better in his mind?
Technically, Blackbeard is a nickname.
I mean kata is just moving his body around its not limitless, like if someone makes swiss cheese out of him i dont think he can move his entire body into a small box that got unscathed.
Still trying to make Mango relevant?
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He also has not nicknamed Blackbeard, either. But then, maybe because Ace said it, it was imprinted better in his mind?
I like how Luffy is the only one to call Teach Blackbeard though.
He will have NO chance since none of his strings can cut Katakuri. The biggest problem with Katakuri is he can't take damage.
It seemsto me that Luffy is damaging him pretty hard and that it's going to get worse.
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Still trying to make Mango relevant?
You mean Doula Mongo?
yeah,the more i think about it , the more i think that i would have been happier with snakeman if oda didn't just use the python against doffy and if he had made this kind of attack exclusive to this form…that way you can at least say that only this new form allows him to do that (somehow) and you are not just left with "it's faster because of reasons", which is the only thing that this form has for itself.
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eh, it was okay. Dissapointing though.
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Luffy is hungry. What will happen when he's out of there and he smells the wedding cake…
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They didn't struggle in Dressrosa?
Luffy did against Doffy, but no they didnt against anyone else. Zoro got lost a lot but had no real trouble with Pica. Franky had a "manliness contest", wasnt even a real fight. Usopp maybe counts, he gained observation Haki. Robin didnt even have her own fight.
This will surely sound weird, but from his first introduction, he seemed misplaced. Like, unplanned. As if Oda figured out 2 things mid-arc:
One, Luffy can´t face Kaidou yet, he needs another stepping stone after Cracker but BM is way too strong.
Two, Luffy has to do something for exactly X hours for the super important cake baking plot to happen (which was mostly off-paneled so far LOL), where he can´t directly face BM, who is too strong, and to give others some time to shine.
Hence, OP I´m a badass Kata was created on the spot and has been given a lot more focus than any other BM pirate (with stuff like Flampe appearing out of nowhere), to give the impression he is super important to the point BM pirates are turning into Kata pirates.So that´s all there is to it. I just feel like Kata is forced coolness / plot convenience and additionally, I don´t like to see my favorite character as a punching bag 95% of the fight. I kind of lost my usual "rooting for Luffy to win" mood somewhere in the middle of the fight and now I´m like please let this be over with already, somehow. As for me, Luffy´s pinnacle of this arc was proclaiming he´d stand there and wait for Sanji, and I believed in him he could do it, but then he got owned and it feels like the getting owned part is still continuing.
But yeah, Katakuri definitely gets more bonus points in my book this chapter than probably from all of his showings so far. He really felt like a main character today, fighting a weirdo (Luffy).
Liking / disliking characters is always the most subjective thing so please don´t be mad at me that I´m not melting when I see him.
You summed it all. up rather. nicely.
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Someone should do a Shooting Star meme with Donut Katakuri in the future.
YES!!! They need to do this!!!
I just hope this fight ends soon, its gotten old for me. I cant see why others think of it so highly.
I just hope this fight ends soon, its gotten old for me. I cant see why others think of it so highly.
Let Roger tell you.
EDIT #2: Katakuri dodged a 4-bounced one but had to block the 6-bounced "Jet" one, which sent him flying. After that, he decided to get on the offensive to reduce the number of bounces and so he was able to deal with Black Mamba (Gattling Culverin). Then we see him kick-block another 3-bounce one with his leg even. We can now see him being able to deal with 3-4 bounce ones.
Although the last one has 3 bounces, it is the King version of his attack, so it´s bound to be much stronger than before. Katakuri should not be able to shrug it off if he gets hit. But good tactical approach from Katakuri.
Good observation on the number of bounces Katakuri can take. I think the devil is in the detail for this chapter. Like you said, Katakuri realised he can’t dodge six bounces attack and decided to go offensive or get closer to Luffy with the donut and “dancing” moves.
I think King Cobra is not another Culverin. It might be a grab/bite from above like how King Cobra attacks than a punch. Luffy has seen Katakuri coming and he’s prepared for that, thus the anticipative early bounces. If the first diced mochi didn’t beat Luffy, how could the second one do that? Katakuri is going to kiss the ground this time before his arm could touch Luffy.
Now back to Luffy’s COA training flashback in previous chapter. Luffy screamed of him being hungry. Because of that he couldn’t concentrate on his COA. Now he also screamed of his hunger and pain, but this time he said he felt better (clearer?) after he did that. I bet next chapter will show the progress of his COA. Unlike Katakuri who hides everything for a perfect self image, Luffy is brutally honest and doesn’t care about his own image, like a pirate. This contrast might have something to do with him sensing Katakuri’s personality (one thing he is really good at). He planned to do a surprise that can upset Katakuri and losing his calmness for a second time. I think that King Cobra attack would be something so shameless or dirty that could hurt Katakuri’s pride so much. I don’t know how Oda will conclude the fight but I’m sure next chapter will be a satisfying yet surprising answer to this cliffhanger.
I just hope this fight ends soon, its gotten old for me. I cant see why others think of it so highly.
1/ Either you're not a fan of action chapters. I'm not a fan too but I admit this chapter was amazing.
2/ Or you should take a break from One Piece and continue reading it some times later.
3/ Or you should clear your mind and TAKE YOUR TIME re-reading THIS chapter panel by panel. The complexity of the movements, the speed, the abilities, the chapter was visually incredible imho.
When Katakuri answers the phone, does he say mochi mochi instead of moshi moshi?
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior 
The outcome has to be a draw or Katakuri barely getting a win and then somehow helping Luffy out in the end. Also without Katakuri handicapping himself even snake man would have no chance at this point. Wich is nice that Luffy isnt just getting a magical power up and immediately beats opponent at full strenght, like other series would do.
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When Katakuri answers the phone, does he say mochi mochi instead of moshi moshi?
According to this, he does.
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1/ Either you're not a fan of action chapters. I'm not a fan too but I admit this chapter was amazing.
2/ Or you should take a break from One Piece and continue reading it some times later.
3/ Or you should clear your mind and TAKE YOUR TIME re-reading THIS chapter panel by panel. The complexity of the movements, the speed, the abilities, the chapter was visually incredible imho.
Your 3 options could be summed up to "either way, there is something wrong with you"
I didn't like this chapter because snake man is dissapointing. I didn't expect Katakuri to get the Doflamingo-treatment, he's doing well. But snakeman is just consisting in mere punches in the end. Tankman was more original. There isn't much difference with Boundman after all
And honestly, gomu gomu no calverin is Luffy's lamest technique by far
Honestly, I'm not really feeling the unoriginality arguments regarding Snakeman because Tankman isn't too much different from Boundman's defense itself. Both are derived from Boundman but focus exclusively on one of its battle aspects.
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Honestly, I'm not really feeling the unoriginality arguments regarding Snakeman because Tankman isn't too much different from Boundman's defense itself. Both are derived from Boundman but focus exclusively on one of its battle aspects.
It's more about the techniques that the actual chara-design or what
Tankman did something totally knew, unexpected and powerful as hell.
SnakeMan can just do that http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/784/15
but, faster, I guess.
Does it make any difference to us ? And did Luffy even try to use Calvary Cannon with Poundman on Katakuri before ?
I miss those glory days. My favorite is Kaido hiding with Block D fighters as meadows.
I mean don't you think it's a little odd that Meadows is one of the few Gladiators that didn't join the Grand Fleet?? :ninja:
My consensus has been that Boundman is just as it was originally described, the speed of Gear 2nd and the strength of Gear 3rd.
Snakeman is faster than Gear 2nd as far as his punches go because he's using the same principal with Boundman. He's still compressing his attacks like springs. He's just sacrificing his defense that he gains in Boundman for a bit of extra speed and control over his attacks.
And I think that lack of defense is why he's using Snakeman and not Boundman again. As others have pointed out on here, he has been able to hit Katakuri in Boundman. And given that Katakuri has only taken more hits and Luffy's Observation Haki has improved, it would seem like he still could possibly use Boundman.
I think Luffy is intentionally giving up his defense not only for the extra speed, but to force himself to have to improve his Observation Haki to near-Katakuri levels. Luffy is doing the same thing Katakuri did(stabbing himself) but with a different motive behind it. Katakuri is enjoying this fight because he's been surprised, matched, and gained a curiosity of the height of Luffy's strength. He stabbed himself because Luffy was hit with an outside blow and Katakuri didn't want that to be the reason he won. Luffy doesn't care for this, he's a pirate, however he's "stabbing" his defense not to even the playing field, but to force himself to have to improve. Luffy looks like he can only take one or two more hits before he's down for good. He's pretty much putting himself in a sink-or-swim scenario betting on his speed matched with his Observation Haki outbeating Katakuri's rather than using Boundman to try and defend himself, or try to strategically run away to conserve more energy and Haki.
Katakuri doesn't look like he's enjoying this.
After looking at this Chapter again I really like Snakemans redirectional offense. The quick lock-on style all the punches have reminds me of Darkseid and his Omega Beams and Luffy even picks up some of the over confidence such a villainous attack would entail. He kept telling Katakuri it was no use trying to avoid his attacks. 
I can really appreciate the strategy behind Luffy making Katakuri jump through extra hoops to avoid getting hit by the Pythons against a lesser opponent I'd imagine a technique that just leads to a stronger faster follow up attack if it misses would seem unstoppable.
I feel like it's lost on people just how OP this is; it's like playing a fighting game and whenever your opponent whiffs their attack they are rewarded with a faster stronger attack and if they whiff THAT attack then they're rewarded… etc. It's a great way for Luffy to force Katakuri to stop dodging like he likes to do so much and either block or counter attack before the pythons can pick up speed.
This makes Kata look all the stronger for adapting so quickly but he's still forced to take a lot more hits than he usually has any business to.
It's good too see Luffy fighting smarter not harder although he seems frustrated that Katakuri didn't just rollover and die to his initial barrage of jet culverin.
I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks how far Katakuri's ingenuity will take him.
The fight could end with both Katakuri and Luffy on the ground. Katakuri losing to himself for not being standing up all the time and always perfect for his "family" to see and they will not stand for him. Luffy wins because his nakama, his true family, in this case Sanji, is there to pick him up, so he will be able to stand up again.
Even the fact of Mama's whole crew seeming very incompetent alas the strawhats have been the complete oposite is a mirror match.
I liked technically this chapter, Katakuri badasseness etc. etc. but to be honest, i think that Luffy is way too resistant.
I mean since the beginning of this arc and all that he's done, before this fight… That's way to much for me
One piece have always been credible overally in terms of big details, but Oda seems to loose it sometimes
I know I'm a bit late to the party here, but holy crap, this chapter was like gold for my eyes. I'm seriously considering showing this to my brother to try to get him into OP (although I'm not sure how well I'd be able to explain the context if asked, lol)
I liked technically this chapter, Katakuri badasseness etc. etc. but to be honest, i think that Luffy is way too resistant.
I mean since the beginning of this arc and all that he's done, before this fight… That's way to much for me
One piece have always been credible overally in terms of big details, but Oda seems to loose it sometimes
He is Goku of this universe he will keep going and tap into his wealth of endless stamina for as long as it takes. But really he is fighting with grit because he has to, he has lofty ambitions so…
I liked technically this chapter, Katakuri badasseness etc. etc. but to be honest, i think that Luffy is way too resistant.
I mean since the beginning of this arc and all that he's done, before this fight… That's way to much for me
One piece have always been credible overally in terms of big details, but Oda seems to loose it sometimes
Or maybe he hits like a bitch
Sanjis kick knocked out tired Luffy. Katakuri punches did not.
So confirmation that Dogtooth hits like a bitch? Also when did Sanji knock Luffy out? If we are talking about when the Vinsmoke were around I seem to rembember Luffy not trying to fght back so he probably didn't lessen the damages with haki or other ways he can.
Haki+Rubber= Hard and Flexible.
Simple Math.
Luffy did against Doffy, but no they didnt against anyone else. Zoro got lost a lot but had no real trouble with Pica. Franky had a "manliness contest", wasnt even a real fight. Usopp maybe counts, he gained observation Haki. Robin didnt even have her own fight.
What are you talking about? Franky was to beat up that he lost an eye. Usopp fought Trebol and lost. Zoro went against someone with a very frustrating DF, yes his attacks couldn't do anything to Zoro but the dude kept hiding and attacking other people and Zoro can't stop it.
Even in WCI, the only person still having a tough time is Luffy.
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Why not? Please explain.
Go to the store, buy a playdough and see if it can be strangled.
I liked technically this chapter, Katakuri badasseness etc. etc. but to be honest, i think that Luffy is way too resistant.
I mean since the beginning of this arc and all that he's done, before this fight… That's way to much for me
One piece have always been credible overally in terms of big details, but Oda seems to loose it sometimes
I think you just forgot how tough Luffy was before timeskip. Check pain and fatigue that Kuma pushed out of Luffy after Thriller Arc.
And Luffys words from page visible above came to my mind when Luffy fought on during this arc. He is insanely tough. Look back at damage he sustained during war.
He was running around after getting kicked to the face by Kizaru. 2 years ago, no CoA.
It's not so much about Luffy's endurance and energy. The problem for me is that the injury and fatigue are to Oda a loose concept that, depending on the situation, he either takes into account or doesn't.
Sometimes a character gets shot, stabbed or cut and thus can't participate in the fighting. And sometimes a character gets shot every couple of chapters and still fights, or gets their internal organs cut up and sewn back together with hundreds of little punctures and still fights at top notch performance.
It's hard to take injuries seriously as a result. There's not much suspense left there. You knew that Luffy will still be in a fighting state even after having a chunk of meat taken by a spinning trident. Same as Katakuri when he does the same to himself.
It ends up being a guessing game for which injuries will have consequences and which won't. It's just the way things are at this point. Doubt that will ever change.
Luffy's toughness is very much relative and versatile to what the plot requires.
And he was running around during the war because Ivankov had injected testosterone in his ass.
Sleeping 2 hours before crashing the cake doesn't justify his abnormal stamina. Heck, it's almost like the boy sustained more damage than Newgate during the war.
His fight against Doflamingo (didn't use gear4 for more than 30minutes) made him sleep for days, but fighting Cracker for at least 10hours didn't do much.
Yes, we get it Oda, Luffy ate during the fight, but so did he while sleeping after having defeated Dofflamingo
Anyone remember that one time when Luffy burned enough calories to get skinny by fighting Mr.5?
Luffy had his three-factor plan
to recover from his injuries. Sanji's cooking, milk rich in calcium, and sleep.
Luffy's stamina has always been pretty ridiculous to surmount. Usually his utter defeats have come by Devil Fruit powers, like Aokiji's and Magellan's, or environmental obstacles like when Crocodile threw him into the quicksand. The only times he was pushed to the absolute brink physically were against Rob Lucci (though he had enough energy to win), and the timespan from the Cracker fight to the Enraged Army fight, which is the only point I can recall where Luffy's physical willpower and endurance have proven to be insufficient.
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Any ideas what Katakuri's body tatoo could represent?
I liked technically this chapter, Katakuri badasseness etc. etc. but to be honest, i think that Luffy is way too resistant.
I mean since the beginning of this arc and all that he's done, before this fight… That's way to much for me
One piece have always been credible overally in terms of big details, but Oda seems to loose it sometimes
He had no choice to to keep staying alive and fight. I have never seen anyone beat Luffy and he tells them to stop, Luffy is literally begging Katakuri to fall because he knows he has passed his limits. If he passes out/dies, Katakuri will got the sunny and destroy the rest of the crew. No one on that boat can withstand Katakuri for more than 30mins. This is Enis Lobby all over again.
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Luffy's toughness is very much relative and versatile to what the plot requires.
And he was running around during the war because Ivankov had injected testosterone in his ass.Sleeping 2 hours before crashing the cake doesn't justify his abnormal stamina. Heck, it's almost like the boy sustained more damage than Newgate during the war.
His fight against Doflamingo (didn't use gear4 for more than 30minutes) made him sleep for days, but fighting Cracker for at least 10hours didn't do much.
Yes, we get it Oda, Luffy ate during the fight, but so did he while sleeping after having defeated Dofflamingo
Christ on bike, he's using G4 more now, and his body is getting use to it. He was in prison for hours doing absolutely nothing then went and sat in the rain waiting for Sanji, ate meat before crashing the wedding.
A little detail that people tend to forget, Sanji has been cooking hormonal food that build bodies for the crew since post TS. He's also using willpower because he knows the consequence of losing. Give the boy some credit instead of criticizing Oda.
You mean Doula Mongo?
You mean Dollar Manga?
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He had no choice to to keep staying alive and fight. I have never seen anyone beat Luffy and he tells them to stop, Luffy is literally begging Katakuri to fall because he knows he has passed his limits. If he passes out/dies, Katakuri will got the sunny and destroy the rest of the crew. No one on that boat can withstand Katakuri for more than 30mins. This is Enis Lobby all over again.
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Christ on bike, he's using G4 more now, and his body is getting use to it. He was in prison for hours doing absolutely nothing then went and sat in the rain waiting for Sanji, ate meat before crashing the wedding.
A little detail that people tend to forget, Sanji has been cooking hormonal food that build bodies for the crew since post TS. He's also using willpower because he knows the consequence of losing. Give the boy some credit instead of criticizing Oda.
Maybe that milk had hormones in it too
Yeah, must be the extra hormones Sanji spiced the rice balls with.
I'm scared to think what Luffy could do if they had whey protein or BCAA on their disposal.
Sanjis kick knocked out tired Luffy. Katakuri punches did not.
Could it have had the same effect as Garp's or Nami's punches towards Luffy?
