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      @Exorcist95:

      I mean, I love Katakuri and everything, but this feels like a cheap plot device that Oda introduced just because he don´t have any idea of how to defeat Katakuri, insted of a creative strategy or something like that, Luffy will win in a "Fairy Tail style", I mean, the main character defeat a character that is way stronger than him and that barely have been hurt in this whole fight just because…

      By Fairy Tail style, you mean Luffy "one-shotting" Katakuri? Because lol.

      Also, you LOVE Katakuri, that's why you won't accept that Luffy will defeat him. That's the problem right there.

      "Yes, I'm only bones, but that's because I have an interest… in dieting."

      -Gentleman Skeleton Brook

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        I don't have a problem with Luffy continuously growing while fighting and defeating Katakuri eventually, but i have a problem with this sudden 'fairness' from Kata.Earlier in the day he killed three cooks just because they saw his face and now he is showing his face willingly to the fodders….

        “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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          Luffy is looking more and more like a top tier pirate, this is going to be good. Both fighters are going to give it their all as the 2 conquerors clash. I hope at least Luffy's Haoshoku is better than Katauri's, even if slightly due to Kata's insecurities. As Oda said that Luffy specializes in Haoshoku. I hope they use it in their attacks. Mad respect for Kata. The execution wasn't the best but you get the general gist of it. Looking forward to the conclusion.

          @K.:

          The rivers of fandom are against me, I needed an appropriate avatar for the task.

          What manga is it from? I'm always curious about avatars that I don't recognize :happy:

          Zoro vs. Caesar

          Don Noflamingo vs. Robowarden

          Luffy vs Akainu (fan made manga)

          The Birth of Frank aka FFotSDMDBeB: First fist of the Sea, DonMarimo DoBuggino exploring Bonesbeard.

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            What manga is it from? I'm always curious about avatars that I don't recognize :happy:

            Kingdom. The story about an envoy that was tasked on taking a young boy to a palace and from there, his epic quest in the warring states of China began.

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              I don't have a problem with Luffy continuously growing while fighting and defeating Katakuri eventually, but i have a problem with this sudden 'fairness' from Kata.Earlier in the day he killed three cooks just because they saw his face and now he is showing his face willingly to the fodders….

              Watch Joy Boy review of the chapter on youtube. He explained it perfectly.

              IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….

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                @auem:

                I don't have a problem with Luffy continuously growing while fighting and defeating Katakuri eventually, but i have a problem with this sudden 'fairness' from Kata.Earlier in the day he killed three cooks just because they saw his face and now he is showing his face willingly to the fodders….

                "If you're going to laugh at that idiot, then laugh at me too."

                That statement in itself is pretty much self-explanatory already.

                "Yes, I'm only bones, but that's because I have an interest… in dieting."

                -Gentleman Skeleton Brook

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                  @Sereques:

                  Watch Joy Boy review of the chapter on youtube. He explained it perfectly.

                  Except he didn't. He compares Hancock's transition to Katakuri's transition which is asinine. Let's take a look at Hancock's transition:

                  Hates men -> Wanted to kill Luffy -> Sends giant panther after him -> Luffy one shots it and to her own surprise, she decides he's strong enough for her sisters to be involved -> Luffy uses CoC and she sees similarities between her and Luffy -> Luffy defeats Boa sisters and covers their back, even though they were jerks to him -> Boa makes him choose between saving Margauerite & co or his own skin -> Luffy choses the noble route, making Hancock at least trust her -> She lets her guard down enough, to explain him her story -> Finds out Luffy punched CDs which she hates -> Brings a tear to her eye -> Helps Luffy -> Becomes lovesick -> Luffy Fangirl

                  That's how you do character development. Katakuri literally said last chapter he has to eliminate Luffy because he's a threat, now all of a sudden his honor is more important than Luffy overturning Big Mom in the future.

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                    Is it just me or do lots of series make someone's injury seem a hell of a lot worse when it happens, and then in the next chapter/episode, it either isn't nearly as bad or is forgotten about entirely in some cases?

                    Wasn't expecting Katakuri to even the fight by injuring himself rather than healing Luffy, but I had a strong feeling he was going to be pissed off about them interfering in his fight. I could tell he wouldn't be okay with them helping him, it's insulting to his pride that they could think so low of him that they believed he wanted or needed anyone else's help. What I didn't expect was this total personality shift, where he's showing off his face and not doing a thing to them as they're mocking him and making his secret known far and wide, when just a minute ago he was killing people for finding out about it. Is he part Fishman, BTW? It wouldn't be the first we've learned of Big Mom having half-breed kids with the fish/merfolk (I just figured she'd try to have one of as many different races as possible…although Katakuri would be a Fishman, and I forget her name, Aladdin's wife, is a Mermaid, so I guess technically that is a distinct one of each.)

                    Luffy's really got a strange impact on some people. I guess because Katakuri also didn't sense the intrusion, he saw a weakness in himself and felt he had to be punished for it, at least in part, otherwise the intrusion alone might not have been enough to get him to impale himself like that. I still don't see how Luffy's still even standing, and let's be honest, Katakuri's one blow to himself isn't nearly a match for how badly his follow-up attacks on Luffy (and the dart) further damaged his suddenly now-worthy opponent, so he really should be hurting himself more if he wants a true even fight from here on. Luffy's still no match regardless, so unless he comes up with an awakening (at least in part) or Katakuri does something really stupid, the fight's probably going to have to be won in what seems like will end up being a cheap way, via nakama power or plot armor or something that Oda usually doesn't resort to, at least per capita compared to other artists.

                    Really surprised there was literally not a single other scene outside of their immediate situation, nothing about the cake or destroying the potential escape mirrors or anything. Hopefully that means Oda's planning on getting serious and ending this quickly. Having more than half of their fight so far be nothing but a one-sided spanking wasn't gratifying at all. But with the number-one Sweet Commander K.O.'d, Big Mom in a food coma from the wedding cake, and very likely something that will cripple the remaining fleet (Vinsmoke retaliation combined with the Fishmen attacking from below the water, anyone?), even if the remaining BM forces aren't so demoralized that they would willingly give up the chase and allow them to escape, they probably won't be able to even if they wanted to.

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                      @Sick_Fool:

                      "If you're going to laugh at that idiot, then laugh at me too."

                      That statement in itself is pretty much self-explanatory already.

                      You mean self-contradictory right? Since he so much wanted to keep his perfect image to outside world(so that nobody laughs at him) that he eliminated(or tried to, since Oda can revive them all) them….

                      “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                        Like Count articulated pretty accurately, the notion of Kata getting tired of his supposed perfect life is understandable and that he wants to keep fighting the guy who moved him towards exposing himself is also understandable, the execution is more than flawed though.
                        With this sudden change, he seems more than hypocritical and his liberation so to speak, without the necessary build-up, lacks significant depth, hence it just looks like an excuse to explain Luffy´s victory soon, among other things of course.

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                          "Usopp turns arounds at arlong park to face chuu"

                          This seems kinda contradictory, last chapter he was running away now he's gonna fight?

                          It's not inconsistency it's supposed to be character, call it too fast all you want like the person above but dont act like oda just forgot something 9 chapters ago and is retooling his entire character arc on the fly because he made a mistake with power levels

                          Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                          So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                          H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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                            @KageKageKing:

                            An one-sided fight is still a fight.

                            Nothing happened this chapter because Oda wordbuilded another useless character not because of the fight.

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                              Some things that were mentioned that I felt the need to comment on for some reason.

                              I don't think that Katakuri contradicting part of his personality even if it was shown just a few chapters ago isn't too crazy when it's overruled by a stronger part of his personality. Whether it's a need to be the best (A bit more doubtful since he acknowledged Luffy being his level) or wanting a fair fight with someone at his level. The reason I put emphasis on being at his level is that it doesn't matter if he's never shown an honorable attitude towards opponents before this point to fit his characterization, in my opinion. So unless some other reason is given for his behavior, I can accept the rationale in my head about him caring more about a fight with an equal than his complexes over his reputation and image.

                              Also, Flampe's attitude change towards Katakuri after his face reveal isn't outrageous either. Her attitude is centered on being popular. She even talks about becoming Katakuri's favorite sibling because he's so popular and thinks she'll become more popular if she's favored by him. So it makes her feelings for him was superficial. It's also not too much of a stretch that someone like that would love to tear someone else's popularity down and since she can make Katakuri less popular than her why should she care about sucking up to him anymore. The only thing off about the interaction is it could have used a panel detailing a train of thought if that was the case and she should still care because of his strength and he could kill her even if she is a family member, lol.

                              I think saying the fight has no meaning is too weird of a statement. Luffy took part of an assassination attempt against Katakuri's mom and captain and Luffy is fighting to stay alive. It may not have an impact on the outside world's events, but I'd say it's still far from meaningless.

                              For the fight being too long, I think it may be better going back and reading through it after the volume's over because stuff can seem to drag when reading from week to week. Even if it does feel to go on for a bit after the full thing is completely out, I wouldn't find it to be bad at this point. Luffy needed on screen growth after his fight with Doflamingo to start raising himself to be able to be considered a serious threat to a Yonko. I think this fight has given some pretty good opportunity for Luffy to receive a strength upgrade without it happening either in a time skip or off screen like Enies Lobby.

                              Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.

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                                @Long:

                                "Usopp turns arounds at arlong park to face chuu"

                                This seems kinda contradictory, last chapter he was running away now he's gonna fight?

                                It's not inconsistency it's supposed to be character, call it too fast all you want like the person above but dont act like oda just forgot something 9 chapters ago and is retooling his entire character arc on the fly because he made a mistake with power levels

                                Only that Usopp´s struggle between his fear and him overcoming it was a theme for his character since his introduction, and additionally Usopp´s struggle between his fear of the strength of the fishmen and his shame of running away despite his comrades fighting and his need to really belong to the crew, hence he has to fight, was handled infinitely better than this mess.

                                Power levels are irrelevant in this discussion.

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                                  @Kdom:

                                  Nothing happened this chapter because Oda wordbuilded another useless character not because of the fight.

                                  Katakuri ain't useless dawg.

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                                      what I find difficult to understand is this "monster" thing, BM pirates and even charlotte family has several weirdos and ugly looking people, why would anyone treat him like a monster?

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                                        Yeah, and it didn't look like katakuri was covering his mouth when he was kid , so why was it a secret to other bros?

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                                          @uniaka:

                                          Yeah, and it didn't look like katakuri was covering his mouth when he was kid , so why was it a secret to other bros?

                                          Its probably a secret to his younger siblings, also someone suggested maybe pudding helped him out. Itd be kind of interesting if she was katakuri's favorite but I dont think he play favorites was sort of the point.

                                          Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                          So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                                          H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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                                            I think that Oda wanted to shorten the fight with the Flampe stuff. Kata and Luffy can go days but now they have fatal wounds, so it will be over soon. So all Oda did was cutting days of fighting down to hours. Im interested now if we really get a real fist fight between the two. Like Z vs Luffy in Movie Z. The good old in you face stuff…thats the stuff.

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                                              @uniaka:

                                              Yeah, and it didn't look like katakuri was covering his mouth when he was kid , so why was it a secret to other bros?

                                              He probably killed those that mocked him, and he's the 2nd son, so at most only a few of his brothers & sisters even know, even if they all know, i doubt they care or would laugh at him like some immature little child did this chapter. He's the star of Big Mom's crew.

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                                                I think I am starting to piece things together. Katakuri, like his siblings, turns head over hills for his loved one. That's why he is being so contradictory, he is just exhibiting what we saw with Pudding or Praline, they will even go against Mama's best interest.

                                                On a more serious note, Luffy is constantly using observation haki, therefore training his stamina in regards of haki as a whole. This fight should help him last longer in gear fourth. More importantly, with the ability his acquiring, I wonder if it will somehow help him against the drawback that gear fourth sends opponents flying around.

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                                                  @K.:

                                                  I think I am starting to piece things together. Katakuri, like his siblings, turns head over hills for his loved one. That's why he is being so contradictory, he is just exhibiting what we saw with Pudding or Praline, they will even go against Mama's best interest.

                                                  On a more serious note, Luffy is constantly using observation haki, therefore training his stamina in regards of haki as a whole. This fight should help him last longer in gear fourth. More importantly, with the ability his acquiring, I wonder if it will somehow help him against the drawback that gear fourth sends opponents flying around.

                                                  Luffy could use gear 4th mode that will make him harder and more compressed. To amplify his hardness. Smaller than usual frame in G4 together with better CoO could help Luffy make great use out of Gear 4th speed. He can be more precise and efficient with attacks while using G4 boost. I hope that Oda will show that Luffy also improved his CoA haki.

                                                  Oda is building Luffys strength in top notch way.. Luffy is fighting guy that is only one small step behind someone like Kizaru.

                                                  I would love to see Luffy vs Kizaru taking place on holy land and Kizarus light speed kick clashing with Kong Gun..

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                                                    Hopefully that means Oda's planning on getting serious and ending this quickly.

                                                    While I do agree with the rest of your post, on this specific matter I wouldn't be surprised if we're in for another two weeks of everything else sprinkled with a few panels of fist pummeling with extra one-liner topping. Whatever happens on the Sunny / Cacao island fronts has to progress up to the point where everyone is breathlessly staring at that single mirror before Luffy can emerge victorious and/or send Katakuri flying right through it. That or we get another chapter of Luffy vs Kata which cuts right before the big Nakama Bullshit Move (yeah, I dread it too) and then everything else for a while longer.

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                                                    The whole he looks weird stigma would've made more sense if he didn't come from a family/nation of goofy looking motherfuckers. I mean yeah he's got a big mouth but is he anymore of a gonk than any of his other brothers. Or his weird spiderbutted sister for that matter

                                                    Also, quoting this for truth. It's really weird that Oda picked Tottland, of all places in the One Piece world, as the one country where people would be discriminated on their looks. I fully support the idea that giving Pudding an arc about her freedom of choice would have felt infinitely more appropriate.
                                                    Katakuri's is less clear. I would say his ideal arc is about letting go the family pressure of being a selfless perfect brother, but this is more or less what's happened this chapter eventhough grounding it on more appearance-based discrimination is a really confusing choice

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                                                      I'm not sure if's already been mentioned in this thread or not, but it's been clear since the Gear 4 beatdown that Katakuri has always cared about the way that he wins, and not just the results. Even when he thought nobody was around, he tried to keep his back from touching the ground https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/884/page/7 .

                                                      Call it honor, pride, perfectionism or whatever, he clearly doesn't want to do anything that he considers "shameful." I don't think it's a stretch to believe that he also wouldn't want to win with cheap tactics.

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                                                        At this point I wouldn´t call Katakuri a villain but more of an Antihero. The Villain here is Big Mom. She has her crew who follows her due to respect, intimidation, fear or what not whereas Katakuri has acted more as a Bodyguard so far. The scenes during the wedding and persecution are a testament to this, yet his morals may seem to not be aligned completely to those of Linlin. Then again Linlin wants a place where there is peace and people can enjoy a meal together. The concept becomes remarkably complex as it is explored further, as her twisted and wicked methods are on the boundaries of being pure evil. This arc seems to portray what happens when people with good intentions (at least originally) make the wrong choices, are pressured by their surroundings or have been walled out due to the innertia of an overwhelming power (food cravings a powerful family and so on )


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                                                                So this chapter Luffy got to know how Lucci felt back at Ennies Lobby..

                                                                Luffy and Katakuri even twist their leg the same way when they are going gattling on their enemy

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                                                                  what I find difficult to understand is this "monster" thing, BM pirates and even charlotte family has several weirdos and ugly looking people, why would anyone treat him like a monster?

                                                                  Kids in real life would bully and insult others just for having ears, head, teeth… a little bit bigger or smaller or... than others, even if someone else in the same school happens to be weirder. To me, the description Oda makes seems credible.

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                                                                    @Seafarer33:

                                                                    While I do agree with the rest of your post, on this specific matter I wouldn't be surprised if we're in for another two weeks of everything else sprinkled with a few panels of fist pummeling with extra one-liner topping. Whatever happens on the Sunny / Cacao island fronts has to progress up to the point where everyone is breathlessly staring at that single mirror before Luffy can emerge victorious and/or send Katakuri flying right through it. That or we get another chapter of Luffy vs Kata which cuts right before the big Nakama Bullshit Move (yeah, I dread it too) and then everything else for a while longer.

                                                                    I know, that's why it's just a hope, I'm not going to hazard any guesses as to how he's handling it from here, but at this stage, I just want it to be over. I feel like we've seen basically everything he could possibly have thrown at Luffy so far, so what's left to show, really, y'know?

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                                                                    So this chapter Luffy got to know how Lucci felt back at Ennies Lobby..

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                                                                    Luffy and Katakuri even twist their leg the same way when they are going gattling on their enemy

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                                                                    and here

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                                                                      I wonder if it will not be Marines trying to Destroy Fishman Island..

                                                                      If Big Mom is weakened or beaten, Marines might try to take over Island that helps all pirates come through from Grand Line into New World.

                                                                      If they get a hold of it, they can lower number of pirates going into New World while dealing with those that are already there.
                                                                      I expect that Hody actions will be brought back during Reverie and World Goverment migh want to put a marine base onto Fishman Island.

                                                                      If Luffy as a pirate will be protector of Fishman Island then he would most likely destroy it and make Fishmen move to the surface rather than leave it in World Goverment grasp.

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                                                                        Katakuri ain't useless dawg.

                                                                        I’m not suppose to take this seriously, am I ?

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                                                                          I’m not suppose to take this seriously, am I ?

                                                                          I am not the one who thinks the chapter is all about Flampe just because her name is in the chapter title. Remember Maynard?

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                                                                            what I find difficult to understand is this "monster" thing, BM pirates and even charlotte family has several weirdos and ugly looking people, why would anyone treat him like a monster?

                                                                            Because, despite their over pronounced features, they all look normal in terms of OP world. Someone with 3 eyes instead or 2, or someone with freaky monster teeth is still weird enough to stand out.

                                                                            Don't get me wrong, I still think that mockery is something that shouldn't have been happening in a place as diverse as Totland. Shouldn't Big Mom have set some ground rules regarding acceptance, considering she basically banged a member of every race she could get her hands on? On one hand, you have a pirate kingdom with some pretty firm rules and code of behavior, on another, there's a severe discrimination. It's fine if Oda is trying to portray how Big Mom has failed as a leader of a coherent crew and will fall partly due to that fact, though.

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                                                                            Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                                                            It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                                              I wonder if it will not be Marines trying to Destroy Fishman Island..

                                                                              If Big Mom is weakened or beaten, Marines might try to take over Island that helps all pirates come through from Grand Line into New World.

                                                                              If they get a hold of it, they can lower number of pirates going into New World while dealing with those that are already there.
                                                                              I expect that Hody actions will be brought back during Reverie and World Goverment migh want to put a marine base onto Fishman Island.

                                                                              If Luffy as a pirate will be protector of Fishman Island then he would most likely destroy it and make Fishmen move to the surface rather than leave it in World Goverment grasp.

                                                                              Unless the attack comes as a total surprise, there should be no way that any group, Marine, Pirate or other, should be able to mount an assault on Fishman Island. That's their turf, they can breathe underwater and handle the pressure of the deep, so they can pop the ship coating bubbles, scuttle ships, and move in water fast enough to avoid any kind of projectiles (except maybe against Kizaru, assuming his lasers don't pop the bubble which seems like they would, at least if used multiple times). They would either have to be totally welcoming to everybody or have really bad security for the enemy to reach their gates. Although I guess someone with Conqueror's Haki could knock the majority of them out to keep them from interfering. But you'd think they would prepare at least some defenses against that since they know about it.

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                                                                                Well, Big Mom is also the same person who traps rare creatures in books and treats them like pets and necklaces. Perhaps Carmel's enabling parenting (not teaching Linlin to use her strength responsibly and ask for consent/knowledge when meeting weird looking people) only convinced Big Mom to treat big races fairly, while the quirky One Piece equivalents of being biracial, being albino, or being deformed gets treated like a beast.

                                                                                The more I think about the library, Pudding and Katakuri's discrimination, and Civil Rights hero Jinbe being in this arc, the more I wish this arc focused more on those aspects than dedicating so much time to Sanji's underwhelming second flashback and the bland prejuduce/wellbeing of the Vinsmokes.

                                                                                I agree with the people saying Pudding and Katakuri being mocked is ridiculous. But the story could have made that work if we got explicit commentary about how prejudice can be based upon trivial miniscule details even if we widely accept other things that are technically much weirder but more commonplace in our world. But nope, we get last minute halfassed flashbacks to make enemies get redeemable traits to pull a heel-face turn in the near future.

                                                                                I love the idea of wedding crash arc, but man, this arc has so much lost potential with its racial harmony hypocrisy aspects being shoved into the background.

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                                                                                  Another chapter wasted on a useless character. The fight and story ain't progressing smoothly cause of these meaningless insertions.
                                                                                  Wow, Why does Kat look like Zoro on Zoan fruit? lololololol
                                                                                  Like Pudding, Kat was laughed at too.

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                                                                                    Katakuri not accepting help is honorable, but is it really the right thing? I mean, Luffy just had major help the day before from Nami against Cracker, and he even told Katakuri it's ok to get help and be tricky because they're pirates after all.
                                                                                    So, should we respect this move or should we consider it idiotic? Should I root for him or for the one who literally had everybody's help (including Katakuri's sister Brulee) to reach this point?
                                                                                    The answer is obvious, but for some reason, I have this love hate relationship with Oda's manipulative writing.
                                                                                    On one hand, I like how he makes us support a character doing something, and then support another for the opposite. But I also feel like we're being manipulated to like whatever the story offers even if it contradicts its own principles.

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                                                                                      Pirates aren’t a monolith so it’s fine be if some pirates are honorable and some are not.

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                                                                                        @Count:

                                                                                        Well, Big Mom is also the same person who traps rare creatures in books and treats them like pets and necklaces. Perhaps Carmel's enabling parenting (not teaching Linlin to use her strength responsibly and ask for consent/knowledge when meeting weird looking people) only convinced Big Mom to treat big races fairly, while the quirky One Piece equivalents of being biracial, being albino, or being deformed gets treated like a beast.

                                                                                        The more I think about the library, Pudding and Katakuri's discrimination, and Civil Rights hero Jinbe being in this arc, the more I wish this arc focused more on those aspects than dedicating so much time to Sanji's underwhelming second flashback and the bland prejuduce/wellbeing of the Vinsmokes.

                                                                                        I agree with the people saying Pudding and Katakuri being mocked is ridiculous. But the story could have made that work if we got explicit commentary about how prejudice can be based upon trivial miniscule details even if we widely accept other things that are technically much weirder but more commonplace in our world. But nope, we get last minute halfassed flashbacks to make enemies get redeemable traits to pull a heel-face turn in the near future.

                                                                                        I love the idea of wedding crash arc, but man, this arc has so much lost potential with its racial harmony hypocrisy aspects being shoved into the background.

                                                                                        I agree for the most part around chapter 856 it seems the themes split apart a bit. Big moms goal being off the mark isnt surprising but the puddingscene could have been done better. At least with katakuri it makes more sense why he is ashamed at it, and the idea he was made of it was less unbelievable than pudding. Idk maybe oda tried being more subtle after fishman island with discrimination? Maybe some editors felt that was too hamfisted. Absolutely couldnt disagree more but who knows,

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                                                                                        So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                                                                                        H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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                                                                                          I agree for the most part around chapter 856 it seems the themes split apart a bit. Big moms goal being off the mark isnt surprising but the puddingscene could have been done better. At least with katakuri it makes more sense why he is ashamed at it, and the idea he was made of it was less unbelievable than pudding. Idk maybe oda tried being more subtle after fishman island with discrimination? Maybe some editors felt that was too hamfisted. Absolutely couldnt disagree more but who knows,

                                                                                          It's only less unbelievable because Pudding's earlier last minute discrimination flashback set a precedent. If Katakuri's came first, we would complain about it almost as much as Pudding (I say almost because Pudding had the extra baggage of being a female character that people feared would make a heel-face turn like so many others). I would personally find a third eye a tiny bit more unsettling than being born looking like Heath Ledger's Joke, but that's just me being creeped out by abnormal eyes easily lol.

                                                                                          I don't think Oda became more subtle so much as that maybe Arlong Park, Sabaody Archipelago, and Fishman Island already covered all of the aspects of racism he wanted to cover. Individual racism (Arlong), systemic racism (Celestial Dragons), Civil Rights movements (Otohime and Fisher Tiger), and even a classism side course (Celestial Dragons again and the ghetto-esque Fishman District in the Fishman Island flashback) all got covered. But I would argue that Totland would have hit a niche that all three of those arcs didn't do pertaining to internal racism/prejudice by covering forms of discrimination against physical traits similar to skin color tone, biracial, albinism, and deformities. And the fact that this takes place in a place claiming to be racially harmonious is a perfect way to connect to current to relevant events in the present day.

                                                                                          Man, the more I think about it, the more I think Oda really dropped the ball. Although I bet that some people would say "Oh man, ANOTHER racism arc?" But it's been years since Fishman Island and could have been very unique in its own right.

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                                                                                            Feels like WCI is focused more on how it relates to family and their expectations of you rather than racism/discrimination.

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                                                                                              I know. Unfortunately, one half of that family expectations dynamic has to deal with the Vinsmokes while the other part has last minute near-contradictory flashbacks.

                                                                                              Spoiler:

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                                                                                                Another chapter wasted on a useless character. The fight and story ain't progressing smoothly cause of these meaningless insertions.
                                                                                                Wow, Why does Kat look like Zoro on Zoan fruit? lololololol
                                                                                                Like Pudding, Kat was laughed at too.

                                                                                                Another chapter with you being an impatient whiny little shit. You never seem to actually do much critical thinking to imagine at least a little of how the flow of the story would go if the things you complain about get removed. You and JoyBoy both.

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                                                                                                  I know. Unfortunately, one half of that family expectations dynamic has to deal with the Vinsmokes while the other part has last minute near-contradictory flashbacks.

                                                                                                  Id say the stuff with katakuri wasnt just a 1 panel flashback, if everyone didnt even care about his reactios in 883 wouldnt make any sense, its been a slow build that his perfect life isnt so perfect ajd the weigjt of it takes its toll on him, im glad oda didnt go super in deep with his flashback although I wish puddings was handled better

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                                                                                                    As far as that whole family thing goes, I think the real message is, don't take the family you're born into as a given, make your own family where the people love you for who you are. Both the abused children of Big Mom and the Vinsmokes are perfect examples of the blood relation being toxic whereas the Straw Hats, a more spiritual family, while they have their ups and downs, would lay down their lives for any of the others no matter what. They built the best family for them, away from any blood relations they may have that are still alive.

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                                                                                                      I am not the one who thinks the chapter is all about Flampe just because her name is in the chapter title. Remember Maynard?

                                                                                                      Well i wouldn’t call it a bad title considering she is in most pages of the chapter and the center of the focus. Also it corrects her child number

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                                                                                                        As far as that whole family thing goes, I think the real message is, don't take the family you're born into as a given, make your own family where the people love you for who you are. Both the abused children of Big Mom and the Vinsmokes are perfect examples of the blood relation being toxic whereas the Straw Hats, a more spiritual family, while they have their ups and downs, would lay down their lives for any of the others no matter what. They built the best family for them, away from any blood relations they may have that are still alive.

                                                                                                        It should be noted that neither the Vinsmokes nor the Big Mom pirates are really traditional blood-related families as they are both heavily biologically engineered by their respective patriarch/matriarch who both shit on biological relations once they conflict with their personal goals of self-realization.

                                                                                                        "You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero." - Vegeta, Hero Slayer Garou, most MLP villains etc.

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