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Title: ''The Benefactor's Life - Sanji and Owner Zeff''
Chapters Covered: rest of 839
Episode Director: Yasunori Koyama (***1/2)
Animation Director: Shigefumi Shingaki (**1/2)
Time: 8:30PM EST
Watch It: www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece
"Let's recap Sanji's backstory even though it'll be recapped in the upcoming special anyways!"
One Piece Episode 802 Preview + Episode of East Blue PV 7, August 26, 2017
Haven't seen the episode yet but I just wanna say that I love the title card.
Also, looks like we've got some Cracker not-quite-filler next week! Looking forward to it
So Toei bring out Luffys entire move set, the king gong gun which is an island splitter against cracker.
This is a joke. The filler has gone too far
"Let's recap Sanji's backstory even though it'll be recapped in the upcoming special anyways!"
Different audiences. People who watch the special may or may not faithfully watch the anime, and vice versa. They do this so both audiences are informed/reminded of Sanji's back story that was aired (in full, not just pieces) on TV over 15 years or something ago. People always complain when we get recaps of earlier material yet no one seems to understand that this is a business that is very different from the manga industry. The TV industry has to constantly focus on getting new kids into the show who aren't familiar with material that happened years and years ago. The difference between Oda in the manga and the anime airing on TV is simple and straight forward:
-Casuals reading Jump who stumble upon this particular chapter would be like, "This Zeff guy seems cool. He and Sanji seem to have a history. Hmm, One Piece manga volumes are on sale at the local book store for like 8-9 bucks (convert to Yen) and that volume shows the back story of Sanji and how he joined Luffy.
There are times when the flashbacks are excessive, unnecessary, or understandable but badly placed (that one episode before the Zou arc or the Enies Lobby disaster) and there are occasions where the flashbacks are fitting and timed perfectly such as this one, the Laboon case with Brook (lacking new animation back then) or the Nami flashback during Fishman Island.
So Toei bring out Luffys entire move set, the king gong gun which is an island splitter against cracker.
This is a joke. The filler has gone too far
Why is this such a big deal to you? It is clearly stated in the manga that
! Luffy had to go Gear Fourth against Cracker numerous times which more or less not just heavily implies but confirms that Cracker's defenses could tank anything Luffy dished out until the new move he pulls after the 11 hour fight. Him using a move that destroyed the entire island of Dressrosa to take out like 20 biscuit soldiers that could block a single Kong Punch is not really that outrageous at all. Granted they didn't show how Cracker himself could take the hit of King Kong Punch directly (after all Cracker in my opinion is at least the same level as Doflamingo or just under it, but not stronger than him).
I'll be honest. I think they actually managed to pace the whole Sanji part of the story pretty well. And the recap looked decent. I bet Toei popped the bottles when they saw Oda skipped on the Cracker fight. "Yay, this means we can add however much filler nonsense to the fight we want."
I think they only adapted like 5-7 pages out of the chapter. With that in mind, I must say they kinda did a half decent job with the standards they've set for themselves.
I also feel the need to give my respects to Niji's voice actor. He's really laying it down. Judge's voice actor too, I think have a cool thing going on.
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So Toei bring out Luffys entire move set, the king gong gun which is an island splitter against cracker.
This is a joke. The filler has gone too far
And why exactly is this a joke ? (knowing that they didn't go as far as to show if Crackers would have been able or not to resist this attack).
Different audiences. People who watch the special may or may not faithfully watch the anime, and vice versa. They do this so both audiences are informed/reminded of Sanji's back story that was aired (in full, not just pieces) on TV over 15 years or something ago. People always complain when we get recaps of earlier material yet no one seems to understand that this is a business that is very different from the manga industry. The TV industry has to constantly focus on getting new kids into the show who aren't familiar with material that happened years and years ago. The difference between Oda in the manga and the anime airing on TV is simple and straight forward:
-Casuals reading Jump who stumble upon this particular chapter would be like, "This Zeff guy seems cool. He and Sanji seem to have a history. Hmm, One Piece manga volumes are on sale at the local book store for like 8-9 bucks (convert to Yen) and that volume shows the back story of Sanji and how he joined Luffy.
- Casuals flipping through channels on TV will surely have heard of One Piece given its popularity in Japan but may not be that familiar with it, especially kids just checking new shows out. Some kid happens to come across this episode and say the recapped flashback wasn't shown, they would have literally no clue who Zeff is and finding the DVDs with only 3 episodes a pop for around 50 bucks (again convert to yen) or higher due to being low stock or not even in stock anymore (or the super expensive log sets) or maybe for rent at some old rental store (if you're lucky). Showing the flashback ensures new fans are onboard and can follow the current plotline, There's also the fact that I feel a kid reading a Jump volume would be less likely to close the book due to lack of understanding something compared to a kid holding a remote who may just flip the channel to Japanese Spongebob or something.
There are times when the flashbacks are excessive, unnecessary, or understandable but badly placed (that one episode before the Zou arc or the Enies Lobby disaster) and there are occasions where the flashbacks are fitting and timed perfectly such as this one, the Laboon case with Brook (lacking new animation back then) or the Nami flashback during Fishman Island.
Why is this such a big deal to you? It is clearly stated in the manga that
! Luffy had to go Gear Fourth against Cracker numerous times which more or less not just heavily implies but confirms that Cracker's defenses could tank anything Luffy dished out until the new move he pulls after the 11 hour fight. Him using a move that destroyed the entire island of Dressrosa to take out like 20 biscuit soldiers that could block a single Kong Punch is not really that outrageous at all. Granted they didn't show how Cracker himself could take the hit of King Kong Punch directly (after all Cracker in my opinion is at least the same level as Doflamingo or just under it, but not stronger than him).
The manga implied that;
! Cracker is a stall king that couldn't take even a pinch of a hit, cracker couldn't take 1 hit from Gead 4th. The fight got so repetitive Luffy had to eat the biscuit soldiers so much to a point Luffy was completely full.
Also, in the first panels of the fight when cracker was landing hits on Luffy a couple episodes ago, they didnt replicate quite a few of the panels and changed a couple of the scenes completely.
It just doesn't look like what I read and enjoyed.
The manga implied that;
! Cracker is a stall king that couldn't take even a pinch of a hit, cracker couldn't take 1 hit from Gead 4th. The fight got so repetitive Luffy had to eat the biscuit soldiers so much to a point Luffy was completely full. .
Even if that's true (which I'm not sure it is), you have to pass through Cracker's biscuit army and through his haki's armor and king kong gun was a very effective way to do that.
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I'm not looking forward to the gear 4 filler, cause I doubt Toei will do it well. It's already starting bad with Cracker slowing down and using his lamest attacks with Luffy is weakened.
Something I've been consistently noticing lately is that they have no idea how to pace action properly. It's so god damn slow, the punches have no weight (and I will stress this every time). It looks like Luffy is pushing his fist forward instead of snapping into the opponent.
I'm not saying Gear Fourth should be this fast, but it sure could use the feeling of impact in that scene.
Bend the knee.
Something I've been consistently noticing lately is that they have no idea how to pace action properly. It's so god damn slow, the punches have no weight (and I will stress this every time). It looks like Luffy is pushing his fist forward instead of snapping into the opponent.
I'm not saying Gear Fourth should be this fast, but it sure could use the feeling of impact in that scene.
I didn't remember if Oda has ever explained the speed of G4 in manga, but do G4 ought to be fast? It's very huge and physically speaking it's nearly impossible to move very fast.
Speaking of impacts, the KKG in this episode did should have more weights, but this episode might be one of the most rushed episodes ever, so it's ready lucky enough because the episode could really have been as bad as #725. I would be very mad if we had a #725 again.:ninja:
When I heard that King Kong Gun was used in this episode, I was rather wary, but I think it was pretty smart for Luffy to use it. Yes, it split Dressrosa, but only because it sent Doflamingo flying into the ground at terminal velocity, whereas in this case it merely shattered soldiers of biscuit. Glad the anime is showing the full fight, and it's doing a pretty good job so far. Overall, this episode was pretty great and paced well. The Zeff leg thing was of course groan inducing (first time I've seen this backstory in the anime), but otherwise the flashback did a good job getting its point across.
A few of you need to refresh your memories on King Kong Gun, because it didn't split Dressrosa in half (obviously). At best, it left a huge hole in the town right next to the New Plateau.
A few of you need to refresh your memories on King Kong Gun, because it didn't split Dressrosa in half (obviously). At best, it left a huge hole in the town right next to the New Plateau.
I think you misunderstand why people are angry about this. KKG is supposed to be Luffy's finishing move, the thing to he resorts to when nothing else works. <- Yes, I realise this could be applied to Luffy's current situation, but it feels weird to have a move like that brought out against anything other than the final villain of an arc, and in a filler scene no less. When you have a character literally go all out and then not do anything, the expectations for that character go way down. Atleast that's the way I feel.
King Kong Gun isn't really a complete end-all finishing move. It's literally just the next level for when Kong Gun isn't effective, which is what the Luffy-Rayleigh flashback on Dressrosa was all about - Luffy should have more big moves in the tank besides this one, especially considering what he's going to pull in a few episodes from now.
And I know Cracker isn't a climax boss (and I'm not trying to start a power level discussion here), but he IS competent enough to pose a threat on par with Doflamingo's, as a Yonko commander. Big Mom had Doffy fully in mind when she sent Cracker after Luffy. So it makes sense when you consider his overall caliber.
I mean, why is this an issue and the fact that Luffy used both Red Hawk and Grizzly Magnum against Doffy isn't?
I think you misunderstand why people are angry about this. KKG is supposed to be Luffy's finishing move, the thing to he resorts to when nothing else works.
! Considering the fact Luffy literally ends the fight with something else,
King Kong Gun doesn't necessarily HAVE to be Luffy's end-all-move. He just HAPPENED to use it against Doflamingo when it became apparent he could tank a regular Kong Gun. I suspect he waits to use King Kong Gun when Kong Gun doesn't work, likely because the amount of impact behind King Kong Gun depletes his mode even faster. This argument is like saying Luffy just HAPPENING to finish Lucci off with Jet Gattling back in the day made that his end-all-move for Gear Second when it was just one of many bag of tricks he has with that mode. Luffy is different from other protags like Naruto and Ichigo who have one or two signature moves because he just fights out of instinct and changes things up to fit the situation.
The manga implied that;
! Cracker is a stall king that couldn't take even a pinch of a hit, cracker couldn't take 1 hit from Gead 4th. The fight got so repetitive Luffy had to eat the biscuit soldiers so much to a point Luffy was completely full.
Also, in the first panels of the fight when cracker was landing hits on Luffy a couple episodes ago, they didnt replicate quite a few of the panels and changed a couple of the scenes completely.
It just doesn't look like what I read and enjoyed.
! It's left ambiguous in both the anime and manga as to whether Cracker himself could tank a King Kong Gun. I would have issues with the anime IF they showed that, but keep in mind that the anime filler only showed the Biscuit Soldiers taking blows. It's fully established that one normal Kong Gun can only take out one so a King Kong Gun taking out so many is believable. Cracker himself states in a later chapter that the fight was repetitive in that Luffy "ate, attacked, and ran." While this is not fully detailed in the manga, what else would it be OTHER than Luffy's 10 minute Haki relapses? Luffy would never actually run from a fight willingly unless he truly feels outclassed, his friends are in danger, or if something forces him to withdraw. Cracker may claim he ran but he is just being an asshole.
Now I am somewhat willing to agree with you about the first panels of the fight. I admit that the animation in that particular episodes did feel a bit lackluster in comparison to the manga. But the episode after that and this episode improved on it greatly.
People are literally angry over everything Toei does and it gets ridiculous sometimes.
I think you misunderstand why people are angry about this. KKG is supposed to be Luffy's finishing move, the thing to he resorts to when nothing else works. <- Yes, I realise this could be applied to Luffy's current situation, but it feels weird to have a move like that brought out against anything other than the final villain of an arc, and in a filler scene no less. When you have a character literally go all out and then not do anything, the expectations for that character go way down. Atleast that's the way I feel.
Luffy has multiple finishing moves. Given the nature of his fighting style, Luffy comes up with ideas for new moves frequently.
He's brought out moves that defeated other villains almost as frequently. Look how often he uses Jet Gatling, for example.
The way the episode portrayed it was that KKG would have hit Cracker if Gear Fourth didn't run out at the last second. But it really doesn't matter because it's just extended presumed fighting to make the battle more interesting.
lol remember when Luffy originally broke Jet Gatling out against Hannyabal and people were complaining that Oda didn't draw it as crazy over-the-top as he did during the Lucci fight? This is giving me flashbacks to that.
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Or or, going further back, when Luffy brought back Storm against Aokiji and it was completely useless (I don't think he was even able to fully pull it off in the manga either), then he used it against mooks in Enies Lobby then never again?
I think he used it as Nighmare Luffy, and Gomu Gomu no Ame in Impel Down is very similar.
Not to there was a port underneath where Luffy hit doflamingo which caused the floor to shoot to on both sides
The king kong gun was actually another move which actually had attention. Remember Rayleigh was telling Luffy to think of another method and Luffy thought of the big boy king kong gun.
Being an Amime only watcher many many years ago I have seen the difference in quality of animation, and yes I understand that Toei are very close to the manga etc. also when talking about One Piece to a manga only reader many years ago, I had theories and thoughts completely turned away due to the fact that the filler was non canon
A lot of the anime only watchers get random ideas and their character scalings are beyond stupid. I mean lets be honest, if someone says "Oh Luffy had to use king kong gun against cracker" any manga reader would say no, this never happened.
The king kong gun was actually another move which actually had attention. Remember Rayleigh was telling Luffy to think of another method and Luffy thought of the big boy king kong gun.
Being an Amime only watcher many many years ago I have seen the difference in quality of animation, and yes I understand that Toei are very close to the manga etc. also when talking about One Piece to a manga only reader many years ago, I had theories and thoughts completely turned away due to the fact that the filler was non canon
A lot of the anime only watchers get random ideas and their character scalings are beyond stupid. I mean lets be honest, if someone says "Oh Luffy had to use king kong gun against cracker" any manga reader would say no, this never happened.
Yeah it's not drawn in manga, but it doesn't mean it never happened. Oda didn't draw everything in manga after all.
While power scaling as a whole usually ends up falling into stupidity, you gotta remember that Cracker and Doflamingo aren't too different skill wise. Not to mention how Luffy's moves have been refitted for tons of new situations, as many have said before me.
I mean, just look at how differently the two have been able to handle the Kong Gun.
Yeah it's not drawn in manga, but it doesn't mean it never happened. Oda didn't draw everything in manga after all.
I don't go off assumptives. But Ill agree to disagree.
in the manga luffy was fighting cranky for over 10hrs with no success, his trying to get to sanji before it's too late it would be strange for him not use King Kong gun his best move, the manga just skipped majority of the fighting.
Or maybe he didn't use the move that was previously followed by 3 days of sleep precisely because he needs to save Sanji before it's too late.
Or maybe he didn't use the move that was previously followed by 3 days of sleep precisely because he needs to save Sanji before it's too late.
To be fair, he used King Kong Gun on Dressrosa after burning through Gear Fourth once already, and already having taken significant injuries from Doffy. To that end, I wouldn't expect him to use that move at all in his later Gear Fourth intervals (other than the obvious plot-related reason, of course), and considering Luffy's performance at the end of this fight, it's possible that Luffy will be unable to attack after some time.
