@Count:
Weather Thief doesn't have much of a ring to it though. Weather Witch still sounds better.
The only epithet that ABSOLUTELY needs to be changed is Robin's "Demon Child".
um… "Roulette Hands" Robin. Nope lol nevermind
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@Count:
Weather Thief doesn't have much of a ring to it though. Weather Witch still sounds better.
The only epithet that ABSOLUTELY needs to be changed is Robin's "Demon Child".
um… "Roulette Hands" Robin. Nope lol nevermind
um… "Roulette Hands" Robin. Nope lol nevermind
Is "thousand arm" open now that Cracker's out of the picture?
How do you expect a change of epithet from a character that hasn't do a thing??
Wait a little guys, Robin will receive one when she declares in front of the Gorosei, the name of the Ancient Kingdom, or better… interrupting a call from them to the world and saying it.
"Will of T." Robin!
@Count:
Cliche? Cyborg/Iron Man are already cliche in that sense. Perhaps even Soul King. I know you were trying to mix her talents, but… It just doesn't sound as catchy and clever alliteration-wise as Weather Witch.
Tempest bandit.
Tempest thief.
Yeah weather witch sounds like the easy go to, not enough uniqueness.
Tempestarii Nami
@K.:
Tempest bandit.
Tempest thief.Yeah weather witch sounds like the easy go to, not enough uniqueness.
Tempestarii Nami
Tempestarii sounds better as the name of the weather wizards, the island they were on instead of Weatheria, or one of Nami's most powerful attacks.
Zoro really needs a new epithet. He hasn't been a bounty hunter for over 2 years now.
@S.C.:
Zoro really needs a new epithet. He hasn't been a bounty hunter for over 2 years now.
I wouldn't mind him getting a new name. But in oda's mind, Pirate Hunter probably still works because he still technically "hunts" other pirates in battle, despite being a pirate himself.
"No Nonsense" Nami
"Chill Bones" Brook
…alright I'm done.
@Count:
The only epithet that ABSOLUTELY needs to be changed is Robin's "Demon Child".
I don't mind, but why? Because she's an adult I'm guessing?
The only epithet I dislike is "Pirate Hunter". Feels out of place and it also makes it look like Zoro's past as a bounty hunter is more remarkable than his life as a pirate (now that I think about it, it would be good to have a character who knew Zoro from those times).
That aside, even though Iron Man is weak, I don't have a problem with any of them. Specially Chopper's, "Cotton Candy Lover" is kind of stupid thing that can sound extra badass when taken seriously.
Depends if sanji will get his family under hum, he would be the new – evil king blackleg/ since judge was known like that in the comics strip since he was the villain. Would be similar to dark king rayleigh.
Does it fit him, I dunno, he is biggest pervert so that-s pretty evil:ninja:
I don't mind, but why? Because she's an adult I'm guessing?
That, and it's kind of weird for her epithet to still entirely revolve around crimes that were made up by the World Government at this point.
C'mon, Robin's epithet should never change, it fits her perfectly.
I mean, the "child" part doesn't necessarily means she is a child, it works more in the sense of "[devil's] daughter/spawn". Since her Ohara's heritage is the core of her character, I think it's just fair her epithet reflects that and not her pirate life. At least until Ohara is redeemed in the eyes of the world, I think that name is perfect (and maybe even after that, as a reminder of how the WG stigmatized them).
@.access:
C'mon, Robin's epithet should never change, it fits her perfectly.
I mean, the "child" part doesn't necessarily means she is a child, it works more in the sense of "[devil's] daughter/spawn". Since her Ohara's heritage is the core of her character, I think it's just fair her epithet reflects that and not her pirate life. At least until Ohara is redeemed in the eyes of the world, I think that name is perfect (and maybe even after that, as a reminder of how the WG stigmatized them).
That's true. But I would still prefer "Devil Spawn/Daughter" over "Devil Child" regardless. Her Oharan herotage is the core of her character, but she has become more than just that. Especially after working with the Revolutionaries. But I see your point and can agree with it.
@Count:
Tempestarii sounds better as the name of the weather wizards, the island they were on instead of Weatheria, or one of Nami's most powerful attacks.
Tempestarii is another name for weather wizard. Which would have been cool if they were introduced like that.
@Count:
That, and it's kind of weird for her epithet to still entirely revolve around crimes that were made up by the World Government at this point.
Ah, well, Access pretty much summed up my thoughts already lol
Interesting though, never heard having an issue with that epithet before.
@Count:
That's true. But I would still prefer "Devil Spawn/Daughter" over "Devil Child" regardless. Her Oharan herotage is the core of her character, but she has become more than just that. Especially after working with the Revolutionaries. But I see your point and can agree with it.
"Light of the Revolution" maybe? I believe the wiki calls her that.Then again I'm fine with the nicknames being kept. Reinforces the stiff short minded bureaucracy of the WG like the Hero Association in Onepunch-man with their hero names.
I can see Zoro getting something dumb like "Demon King" whenever he becomes the WGS or they get a huge victory over a yonko or something. Ya know, to keep the parallels with Rayleigh going. =P
This thread has gone from something that wasn't going to happen at the end of the arc, to something that is likely not going to happen for the entire series/until the end of the series.
Well, Usopp's epithet did change, and so did Buggy's. I'm pretty sure Chopper's will do too after he (fucking) finally gets his time to shine. The rest though… maybe at the very end of th series? By the way, I'd like to know what was Roger's epithet before he became the Pirate King.
Smiling Pirate Roger
Good guy Roger
So I guess Garp before becoming the hero of the marines was known as "Scumbag Garp".
Lazy D… I mean lazy Garp as well with allthe paperwork he probably wanted to avoid.
I thought the real one was Garp, the fist?
Oh, yeah, it was "Garp the Fist", I forgot. So then who was the scumbag to Roger's good guy? Scopper?
@Count:
Tempestarii sounds better as the name of the weather wizards, the island they were on instead of Weatheria, or one of Nami's most powerful attacks.
hey, doing a read through of WCI and our argument about the chateau being blamed on luffy or fishman island probably wont happen. the chapter stussy is shown to be an agent, she tells morgans to print it that du feld was the one who was responsible.
hey, doing a read through of WCI and our argument about the chateau being blamed on luffy or fishman island probably wont happen. the chapter stussy is shown to be an agent, she tells morgans to print it that du feld was the one who was responsible.
Events can always change later this arc.
And with the possibility of Morgans changing story facts, like Stussy's identity, he could just write everything up as the Straw Hats fault.
To be honest, I find really weird that the characters (except for Tamago, maybe) are not crediting the explosion to the Luffy/Bege/Caesar alliance. You really need some knowledge that is not available to the characters to suspect that was not their actions because to anyone in the wedding it should be painfully clear it was something they (or the Germa at least) arranged prior to the Tea Party.
@.access:
To be honest, I find really weird that the characters (except for Tamago, maybe) are not crediting the explosion to the Luffy/Bege/Caesar alliance. You really need some knowledge that is not available to the characters to suspect that was not their actions because to anyone in the wedding it should be painfully clear it was something they (or the Germa at least) arranged prior to the Tea Party.
in the chapter, oven says the fact that the alliance was on top of the cake with them and they would have suffered with them like everybody on top, it shouldn't have been them that planted the bomb, which he is right about.
in the chapter, oven says the fact that the alliance was on top of the cake with them and they would have suffered with them like everybody on top, it shouldn't have been them that planted the bomb, which he is right about.
That logic is actually flawed. Everyone did see that the plan was save Vinsmokes -> kill BM -> escape through Mirrorland. They should be out of WCI by that point for few minutes when the bomb went out.
That logic is actually flawed. Everyone did see that the plan was save Vinsmokes -> kill BM -> escape through Mirrorland. They should be out of WCI by that point for few minutes when the bomb went out.
in the chapter, oven says the fact that the alliance was on top of the cake with them and they would have suffered with them like everybody on top, it shouldn't have been them that planted the bomb, which he is right about.
Not to mention it is also wrong even in the face of the actual events, since, unlike the BMP, the alliance easily escaped from there as Caesar and the Germa family all can fly (and Bege's body offered a vessel for everyone to escape safely while carried by Caesar).
That logic is actually flawed. Everyone did see that the plan was save Vinsmokes -> kill BM -> escape through Mirrorland. They should be out of WCI by that point for few minutes when the bomb went out.
the logic isn't flawed, its just simple. not everything has to be convoluted to make sense.
the logic isn't flawed, its just simple. not everything has to be convoluted to make sense.
But this one doesn't make sense. You can't say "they can't be culprits since it'd hurt them too" if it's obvious that according to their plan they wouldn't be hurt due to not being there and also they're capable of flying which nullifies the effects of the bomb.
But this one doesn't make sense. You can't say "they can't be culprits since it'd hurt them too" if it's obvious that according to their plan they wouldn't be hurt due to not being there and also they're capable of flying which nullifies the effects of the bomb.
the problem with your statement is that, it wasn't their plan to blow up the chateau. he made a simple judgment, it wasn't convoluted, it didn't go to the moon and back, it was a simple thought process and he was right. IF he did what you're implying then his hypothesis would be incorrect. there's a difference between flawed and simple.
hopefully you dont misconstrue me and think that the bomb being attributed to the strawhats would be bad logic, its not, as its a reasonable conclusion to garner from the points you gave. but with limited information, you can arrive at different conclusions. to state it again, his conclusion was formed from a simple logic of it'd hurt them too.
the problem with your statement is that, it wasn't their plan to blow up the chateau. he made a simple judgment, it wasn't convoluted, it didn't go to the moon and back, it was a simple thought process and he was right. IF he did what you're implying then his hypothesis would be incorrect. there's a difference between flawed and simple.
hopefully you dont misconstrue me and think that the bomb being attributed to the strawhats would be bad logic, its not, as its a reasonable conclusion to garner from the points you gave. but with limited information, you can arrive at different conclusions. to state it again, his conclusion was formed from a simple logic of it'd hurt them too.
That's the problem, it wouldn't. It's simply wrong. Arriving at the conclusion that blowing up the chateau was their goal would be wrong, but ruling it out is simply baseless. If I had the informaton they have I would say it most likely was their fault, though I wouldn't bet on it.
I think if they didn't overhear anyone in the traitor alliance saying, "It's time, blow the trigger!" then yeah, it would be silly to assume it was an intentional part of the plan since otherwise it would be either someone pulling the trigger without anyone in their group knowing except them and therefore leaving all of them as vulnerable as the Big Mom people, or it was on a timer, and there would be no way of altering it if things went South at the wrong time, which is insane.
But anyhoo…
First of all, it's an insult to Luffy not to have a 7-800M bounty after beating Doflamingo. A huge insult. If his doesn't surpass 1B after Katakuri, bounties are officially meaningless.
I expect Nami's to rise by at least 100M by the end IF she manages to either take Zeus or at least a piece of him or figure out how to create a flying cloud, which I've long suspected would eventually happen as yet another homage of Oda's to Dragonball (the Kintoun/Flying Nimbus). Nothing says dangerous like an airborne weather-controller who can rain down lightning and other hazards without getting hurt by it themselves.
Sanji, Sanji, Sanji. I never got a chance to say this on this forum yet (and I'm betting others have already hypothesized this, so I'm acknowledging I'm likely late to the party), so here goes: I think something is going to happen to someone Sanji cares about here (Reiju, or Pudding now) that will make him so unbelievably angry that it will unlock the dormant genetic enhancements that his mother suppressed, and he'll become the strongest of his siblings, with an even greater, longer-lasting fiery aura so that it's no longer merely Diable Jambe, but Diable Aura or something like that, and he'll have his own version of Rankyaku with fireballs rather than wind blades so he can attack from a distance. I expect if this occurs his will top 300M by the end of it. Still less than Zoro's, but comfortably close; I'm sick of him being third banana and it being so obvious when you see Zoro in action compared to him. Plus this would be yet another opportunity for Oda to pay homage to Dragonball, making Sanji into a Gohan-style deus ex machina, which I'd be okay with since this is the only way I can possibly see him catching up to Zoro at this point despite it being 'cheap'. Given how much effort Oda put into his backstory and family history, he's at least made it less cheap since with Gohan it was never really explained.
Chopper might need to go Monster Mode to bring Carrot under control if the full moon makes her stronger and feral, so if that makes the papers, his should rise to an appropriately high level at long last, even if they think it's a separate creature from Cotton Candy Lover. Not sure how high, but I'd say 2-250M.
Brook...depending on how things shake out against Big Mom, and if he can potentially do something with all the souls that are bound to get released when she gets knocked out by the cake and/or there's a massive destruction event that eradicates all the Homies, his might rise by about 100M. Imagine him returning all the life energy back to everyone it was taken from, and them all escaping (criminals and all, potentially) so that rather than keeping them safely off the seas, it unleashes even further pirate threats on the New World. Surely that would be worth raising his bounty.
And lastly, Jimbei. I think 500M minimum. This guy's been huge trouble ever since Marinford and now that he's officially joined the Straw Hats, that affiliation alone should raise his threat level accordingly.
First of all, it's an insult to Luffy not to have a 7-800M bounty after beating Doflamingo. A huge insult. If his doesn't surpass 1B after Katakuri, bounties are officially meaningless.
This wasn't something totally unprecedented as this was the 3rd War Lord that Luffy had taken down. Plus we know from Jimbei that after 300million it gets harder to go any higher so its all pretty consistent so far.
Sanji, Sanji, Sanji. I never got a chance to say this on this forum yet (and I'm betting others have already hypothesized this, so I'm acknowledging I'm likely late to the party), so here goes: I think something is going to happen to someone Sanji cares about here (Reiju, or Pudding now) that will make him so unbelievably angry that it will unlock the dormant genetic enhancements that his mother suppressed, and he'll become the strongest of his siblings, with an even greater, longer-lasting fiery aura so that it's no longer merely Diable Jambe, but Diable Aura or something like that, and he'll have his own version of Rankyaku with fireballs rather than wind blades so he can attack from a distance. I expect if this occurs his will top 300M by the end of it. Still less than Zoro's, but comfortably close; I'm sick of him being third banana and it being so obvious when you see Zoro in action compared to him. Plus this would be yet another opportunity for Oda to pay homage to Dragonball, making Sanji into a Gohan-style deus ex machina, which I'd be okay with since this is the only way I can possibly see him catching up to Zoro at this point despite it being 'cheap'. Given how much effort Oda put into his backstory and family history, he's at least made it less cheap since with Gohan it was never really explained.
Wouldn't Sanji unlocking those genetic traits fly in the face of his mother's sacrifice and more or less prove Judge's ideals right in the end? Sanji got where he is through hard work and effort, he never had the privilege of steel hard skin or power ranger gadgets up the wazoo. He flies like his family but without rocket boots and he can create enough fire that can engulf a massive giant like Wadatsumi without the use of special gauntlets. I don't know how or when but its going to be made very clear that Sanji is well and above each of his family members when it comes to strength.
As for catching up to Zoro, Oda will make Sanji do as well or as poor as the story demands. In story they will always be opposite sides of the same coin. Though since Oda likes to prioritize Zoro as the non-Luffy Straw Hat to nearly always get a full fight we have been treated to more of his 3 sword spectacle. Then you have to take into account when Sanji got into his skirmishes and with who. Sanji has been used as a hype tool several times now which is fine but the problem then comes when Oda doesn't follow it up with a full on conclusive fight.
Chopper might need to go Monster Mode to bring Carrot under control if the full moon makes her stronger and feral, so if that makes the papers, his should rise to an appropriately high level at long last, even if they think it's a separate creature from Cotton Candy Lover. Not sure how high, but I'd say 2-250M.
Brook…depending on how things shake out against Big Mom, and if he can potentially do something with all the souls that are bound to get released when she gets knocked out by the cake and/or there's a massive destruction event that eradicates all the Homies, his might rise by about 100M. Imagine him returning all the life energy back to everyone it was taken from, and them all escaping (criminals and all, potentially) so that rather than keeping them safely off the seas, it unleashes even further pirate threats on the New World. Surely that would be worth raising his bounty.
And lastly, Jimbei. I think 500M minimum. This guy's been huge trouble ever since Marinford and now that he's officially joined the Straw Hats, that affiliation alone should raise his threat level accordingly.
I'm still not sure how I feel if the crew gets bounties again so early. I feel like its deserved but if they are going to get updates just after Kaidou that'll probably be a month tops in story time. Maybe its not an issue at all. However does the absent crew get updates as well just by association?
Pretty much what RomanceDawn said. Sanji acquiring his modified genetic trait would make his mom's sacrifice meaningless and prove that Judge was right in modifying his children. Sanji's entire character arc revolves around being a human that overcomes hardships through effort and training. Not to mention he already has a fire aura with Hell Memories. There is no way he can surpass the God's bounty before Wano.
About the time frame, I don't see a problem. Luffy is part of the worst generation, wouldn't go in line with that notion if they kept upstaging their feats very close to each other?
As stated above, Sanji awakening his genetic powers would be awful.
Also, half the strawhats aren't even in this arc. Be weird to inflate just some of them.
Off screen bounties for the rest that we eventually get filled in later perhaps? They have too get to wano, plenty of things for zoro to cut along the way.
Now that Luffy explicitly said he was gonna beat Katakuri at full strength, do we all agree that his next bounty will be above the billion ?
I mean, he can't go fighting against Kaido without taking down the one guy who's supposed to be just below in the hierarchy (yonkou right-hand), right ?
Now that Luffy explicitly said he was gonna beat Katakuri at full strength, do we all agree that his next bounty will be above the billion ?
I mean, he can't go fighting against Kaido without taking down the one guy who's supposed to be just below in the hierarchy (yonkou right-hand), right ?
Not if word doesn't get out
Then big news Morgans is small news after all.
Now that Luffy explicitly said he was gonna beat Katakuri at full strength, do we all agree that his next bounty will be above the billion ?
I mean, he can't go fighting against Kaido without taking down the one guy who's supposed to be just below in the hierarchy (yonkou right-hand), right ?
I'm kind of torn on this. I assume by all rights Luffy should be reaching or exceeding the 1 Billion mark but that seems like such an outrageous number it needs to be saved for the defeat of Kaidou. Unless of course the Emperors are in the multiple of Billions like 2.5-4Billion. I'm not sure what I think. Even if Luffy defeats a hypothetical 2 Billion Kaidou I don't think Luffy necessarily deserves a bounty thats bigger, the same might apply to Katakuri. I feel like unless Luffy starts controlling all of Kaidou's territories and attacks civilians then Luffy's bounty would stay around the 1Billion-1.5Billion mark. Then again Katakuri isn't the driving force of the Big Mom pirates so maybe Luffy beating him gives him 1Billion.
I'm kind of torn on this. I assume by all rights Luffy should be reaching or exceeding the 1 Billion mark but that seems like such an outrageous number it needs to be saved for the defeat of Kaidou. Unless of course the Emperors are in the multiple of Billions like 2.5-4Billion. I'm not sure what I think. Even if Luffy defeats a hypothetical 2 Billion Kaidou I don't think Luffy necessarily deserves a bounty thats bigger, the same might apply to Katakuri. I feel like unless Luffy starts controlling all of Kaidou's territories and attacks civilians then Luffy's bounty would stay around the 1Billion-1.5Billion mark. Then again Katakuri isn't the driving force of the Big Mom pirates so maybe Luffy beating him gives him 1Billion.
I know mine is a "cop-out" answer, but I'm fine either way. I'd really prefer if it was just went to like 700 or 800 mil or something though. I prefer the slow satisfying progression, just fits with OP more. I'd eventually like some comprehensive side-book once the series is done explaining what people did to get their bounties. A lot of it we have to imagine for now. Also, Jinbe said "above 400 million, it's really hard to raise your bounty" or something to that effect. It'd be cool if we got even more information on the nuances of bounties.
If Luffy's bounty DID hit 1B+ though, that'd be a jarring shock, but we've had a bigger multiplication before in the series (30M –-> 100M).
I don't get why Sanji's genetic enhancements awakening would do what everyone is saying, the whole point of that was making it so that he didn't lose his heart and become a cold, sadistic machine like the rest of his siblings. Sanji would be the one who gets the best of both worlds, being the one with the strongest and most loving heart and the strongest innate power. So his mother's sacrifice would have been EXACTLY what was needed, for Sanji not to become unfeeling like the siblings, but strengthen himself beyond even what they became. Putting off the powerup until after he became the chivalrous gentleman he is would be the ideal scenario since there'd be no room for him losing his sense of self.
I know mine is a "cop-out" answer, but I'm fine either way. I'd really prefer if it was just went to like 700 or 800 mil or something though. I prefer the slow satisfying progression, just fits with OP more. I'd eventually like some comprehensive side-book once the series is done explaining what people did to get their bounties. A lot of it we have to imagine for now. Also, Jinbe said "above 400 million, it's really hard to raise your bounty" or something to that effect. It'd be cool if we got even more information on the nuances of bounties.
If Luffy's bounty DID hit 1B+ though, that'd be a jarring shock, but we've had a bigger multiplication before in the series (30M –-> 100M).
Well, like you said, 100 is a bit more than thrice the 30. Then it went to 300, also thrice as much.
The 400 (1/3 increase) during the time-skip and the following 500 (1/4 increase) were the ones that changed the pattern. Same with Zoro, first bounty 60 then it doubled to 120 and then it was increased by 200, more than what he was worth. And never forget God Usopp, from 30 to 200, that's almost seven times as more.
My bet is that the next time Luffy sees a raise it will indeed be to double is worth. His comment about beating the living billion out of Katakuri seems to point at just that.
After reaching 400 is hard to raise your bounty but that's because those types of bounties are in the New World and most people don't dare to openly and blazingly challange the Yonkou, let alone defeat them and their top commanders as it will happen with Luffy and co.
I don't get why Sanji's genetic enhancements awakening would do what everyone is saying, the whole point of that was making it so that he didn't lose his heart and become a cold, sadistic machine like the rest of his siblings. Sanji would be the one who gets the best of both worlds, being the one with the strongest and most loving heart and the strongest innate power. So his mother's sacrifice would have been EXACTLY what was needed, for Sanji not to become unfeeling like the siblings, but strengthen himself beyond even what they became. Putting off the powerup until after he became the chivalrous gentleman he is would be the ideal scenario since there'd be no room for him losing his sense of self.
Sanji's anger awakening only the physical super human side of Judge's experiments while conveniently avoiding the messed up mental portion of it would be kind of lame. Didn't those experiments cause the kids to obey Judge's rule very strictly as well? The convenience of Sanji only gaining the good parts would just come off as lazy on top of Sora's sacrifice being spat upon.
We don't need some random steel hard genetics to kick in to tell the readers that maybe Judge was right and Sanji did need such abilities to survive and keep up with the big boys. All we need is a scene where the 4 siblings are at the mercy of some super strong Big Mom Pirate and it's Sanji who is the one that takes on said pirate and defeats him.
I don't get why Sanji's genetic enhancements awakening would do what everyone is saying, the whole point of that was making it so that he didn't lose his heart and become a cold, sadistic machine like the rest of his siblings. Sanji would be the one who gets the best of both worlds, being the one with the strongest and most loving heart and the strongest innate power. So his mother's sacrifice would have been EXACTLY what was needed, for Sanji not to become unfeeling like the siblings, but strengthen himself beyond even what they became. Putting off the powerup until after he became the chivalrous gentleman he is would be the ideal scenario since there'd be no room for him losing his sense of self.
He should strengthen himself based on his own normal human merits, not based on the advanced genes of his siblings. That's part of how he can prove their superiority complex of being born special both genetically and regally wrong. What makes Sanji special is his compassion, not being born a naturally advanced soldier. That is what needs to save the day.
Depending on the outcome of Sanji's ties with the Charlotte Family and with the Vinsmoke's unfruitful rebellion on WG, I'd give him an additional 100M for that. Still can't see how he becomes the Marine's worst nightmare though… perhaps he'll become the face of the Germa Army and will be romanticized by the public. Damn I want Puddung to be the next crewmate.
Luffy's bounty will most likely jump to 800M mark no matter the outcome of this Big Mom arc whether he defeats or stale Kata. He'll be recognized even more after this one.
Kata's bounty should be decreased to 900M since he's just full of hype and just a step stone of Luffy's next power up. What a shame eating those donuts with those large mouth whilst lying down. Totally doesnt deserve that 1B