If you ask them to think really hard about it maybe. But for casual kid simply reading a story I don't think he is interested in solving the puzzle ahead. When Big Mom is reveal to have killed everyone it will be just that simple. She killed them. It's not about the killing but the gruesome image of an overgrown child eating children.
The semantic difference can work, but it's still a really obvious twist. Especially in an arc that had clever twists like with Pudding (the possible misdirection reminds me of how Pudding's confession to Luffy looked like she was going to run away or commit suicide) and Luffy allying with Bege. Not that this necessarily makes pure cannibalism less likely of a possibility.
Either way, she's going to probably be mad at Streussen.
Probably. But he would deserve punishment either way.
If that was the plan the whole evil Carmel think becomes weird. Why have Big Mom feel guilty for the evil woman who wanted to sell her rather than the one where she feels guilty about the woman that wanted to raise her. Why even have her commit an act of cannibalism if it is to shy away from the rest?
So Big Mom is not going to learn that her lack of restraint cause the death of her family but rather that people cannot be trusted and wanting a country for equality is an awful idea. I kind of doubt that. I mean I don't think learning the only person she kills wanted to kill her is going to send her on guilt trip or change how mad she is at the strawhats or even change of her love for sweets. All it does is show her that she was justified in her killing just like all the others.
Why would she feel guilty for killing the evil woman that wanted to exploit her. All that should do is make her go even more crazy.
It's not about feeling guilty, it's about being self-conflicted. Knowing that her entire motivation was a lie. Knowing that the one person who seemed to truly care for her was a lie. Two if you want throw in Streussen hiding the truth. Which leads to feeling guilty about all of the terrible things she's done to pursue a dream that she would probably think is worthless if Carmel didn't mean what she said. And Linlin has the mindset of a kid. She's either going to break down and cry or rampage while having her illness act up than rationally process her faults or the objective integrity of a goal inherited from somebody else like somebody mature. Those are the same possibilities for finding out that she ate everybody than a 100% guaranteed guilt trip.
It was said that happened after the story of the giant so the incident of the island is what caused such a strong reaction.
The chapter described them as being disgusted by Big Mom and pretty much trying to wipe her out of her mind. I would expect them to be mad if it had to with the giant killing. Plus it says it has to do with what happen on the island.
So did this particular story. And while the first made them them mad, the second made them disgusted and erase Big Mom name.
The only difference is not mentioning Linlin's name anymore. Nothing really changed. Just look at how this page was framed. It's almost the exact same as this chapter, right down to news spreading of how terrible Linlin is. The only difference is Carmel being enough of a hero to still deserve their help.
So I still stand by how being disgusted by the cannibalism and not mentioning her name is redundant. Outside of explaining how the house got built. Especially when we know that they got along enough to have a political marriage decades later. The Giant witness feels like meaningless fluff unless it's a red herring.
Loki is currently a baby so his feelings for Big Mom are less strong and he fell in love with Lola.
But this isn't just about Loki, but also Elbaf's civilization as a whole. And how would he even learn about Lola on his own when Linlin is Elbaf's pariah?
Considering the visual of that panel of Big Mom holding the king while terrorizing a bunch fleeing islander, I doubt you are to find her sympathetic. She is the monster that doesn't know she is a monster. The good way to make her realize she is indeed a monster is not to have her kill the evil child selling mother but rather the accidental killing of the innocent family she had.
But then what's the point of revealing Carmel selling orphans to the World Government? That message of being an accidental monster can only be stronger if Carmel was innocent, and her being evil doesn't somehow compensate for how all of the kids are innocent. All I got from this flashback is how Linlin keeps getting screwed over again and again and again by how she was born and not having a good role-model, resulting in an innocent dream inhibited by a childlike mentality that instead makes her into a despot, but mainly because of illness cravings and not having anybody to teach her any better. If Oda didn't want us to potentially find her sympathetic, he would've gone all in on making her a monster like Doflamingo. And Doflamingo's poverty issues do not offset how much of a terrible person he was even as a kid before meeting Trebol. Oda likes making his antagonists as hatable as possible. Linlin holding the king is similar to Pudding threatening to stab other kids while still maintaining attempted sympathy for her mistreatment over her third eye (not that I feel the slightest bit bad for Pudding, ironically).
It was back in the days where Zoro flashback could take one chapter.
But that is still much different from revealing something about a flashback after the flashback is over. I don't think Oda's ever really had a flashback elaborated on after the fact with an ongoing mystery until this arc.
Streussen could easily have teach the older children about hiding those Big Mom kill from her from his own experience. I really think everything points to her having killed them.
Whether the kids got kidnapped or they ran away, Streussen's a scumbag who saw somebody to manipulate. He's the Babidi to Linlin's Buu. And I don't deny that the evidence is pointing more towards the kids just being dead. I don't mean to act like that's impossible and I'm dead-set on being right as some special conspiracy theorist. I only want to break down publicly how there could still be other options.
it's possible that the way his editor let Oda get away with it (canibalism against children in a shonen manga) is by not showing it,but it doesn't stop him from implying it as hard as he can…
But what about when it comes time for Streussen to say the truth due to being a witness? That still makes it wasteful to hide the truth for this long instead of just talking about it already unless Oda thinks announcing the twist is somehow surprising at this point.
the first point of view was needed to explain whole cake island and the entire totland archipelago in the first place..like i said in the past,one thing is a crazy weather,another is processed food that rains from the sky.
Streussen's Devil Fruit was needed to show that. Streussen specifically being stated to be a witness to what Linlin did in and of itself is the part that's not needed. Oda could have just skipped to Linlin meeting Streussen randomly. But instead, he emphasizes there being two witnesses. Like the fact that somebody saw what happened is important to take into note like a typical mystery novel.
the other point of view might just be to reinforce the hate linlin got from the giants…also,if it's not something linlin did,why would what he saw increase the hate of the giants for linlin so much that they don't even say her name?because she was eating at the moment
i mean,already the implication that she did something else than eating while eating is a bit of a stretch...almost as a stretch as something else happening while she finished her plate...2 chapters ago the giants had to stop her from eating all the food on the table at once...that kid eats fast,there ain't many things that could have happened in that short amount of time.
There's not really a need to reinforce that at all though. It's REALLY superfluous. And she didn't need to do anything else other than just eat, except maybe eating Carmel but still not the children. CP0 shows up and abducts the kids, probably because Carmel was planning to sell the orphans on Linlin's birthday. The only loose end in that is how Carmel gets killed.
Streusen specifically denied what happen to BM in this chapter because he wants to take advantage of her it is SHOWN IN THE CHAPTER! LOL AT YOUR ARGUMENT THERE!!!! HAHAHHAA
he wants to take control of her and her power as stated he is a ruined pirate and what other way to make a comeback is take control of BM
AGAIN ANOTHER LOL TO UR ARGUMENT! HAHAHA if there is a CP0 THE GIANT WOULD HAVE HELP CAUSE IT IS MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HAPPEN IN ELBAF AND HE WOULD HAVE NOT HATED BM!!! seriously ur argument is pathetic lol
giants are based on vikings! And more or less it is monarch country how could you say no to a prince lol
why hide it? BECAUSE IT IS NOT ATTACK OF THE TITANS AND ODA DONT WANT A GRAPHIC CONTENT LOL!
ANY MORE ARGUMENT? PLEASE GIVE AT LEAST A GOOD REASONABLE ONE LOL
honestly dude just stop you just look pathetic the more you argue lol hahahha
1. Of course he wants to take advantage of her. That doesn't mean the only thing he could have saw and decided to not talk about is Linlin killing Carmel and the kids. He just has to hide whatever reason they disappeared so that he could use Linlin for his own goals.
2. That Giant's not doing anything while Linlin, the girl who brought down most of Elbaf and one of its greatest heroes, is in the vicinity and could possibly attack him. She could be innocently eating without a care in the world and all that Giant will see is a rabid beast ready to pounce on him if she notices his presence.
3. I would bet that a king would probably say no to a prince. And how would Loki even learn about Lola's existence if Big Mom's a complete outcast who's thought of as an irredeemable cannibal? Why would they ever negotiate with somebody like that?
4. Then why is Oda building-up Streussen being a witness and eventually revealing that Linlin killed/ate the kids then? Unless you're trying to say that Streussen's not going to say anything and Linlin's never going to get closure on what happened to her foster family, which would be a waste of a plotline.
And why are you using this debate as an excuse to act so immature? There's no reason why we can't disagree while respecting each other.
Three question to all none believers that BM ate all the children and BM:
Where are the bodies? And nope you could not argue CP0 because only 2 witness survived are present in the event the giant and streusen
How did BM got the Soru Soru no Mi wothout eating a DF?
What else beside her eating them could it possibly be?
Use logic and reason….
1. Abducted by CP0. Or they hid, but I find the former possibility more likely. And the two witnesses hid from the sidelines and have yet to say anything about what they saw. All we know is that the Giant is horrified and Streussen laughed in response.
2. and 3. She was eating and didn't notice the kids getting kidnapped, while possibly really eating Carmel. The end.
Either Oda doesn't want to show it because it's too much for one reason or another. OR he wants to show the whole thing when BM actually remembers it, likely with the use of Pudding's power. I've been speculating for a while that that is how they will calm her down - by showing her what she continues to scream about - whereabouts of her mother.
I expect (or at least hope) for Pudding's power to be useful. But Streussen being a witness indicates that he needs to play a role too. Not that Pudding can't read HIS memories. But then the truth being cannibalism, which is already obvious, is underwhelming after being palpably teased for so long. Not that this is any less unlikely. I'm not outright dismissing Big Mom the Cannibal, in fact, I actually think it's the most likely route. I'm just bringing attention to other possibilities due to how loose the framing is.