Well, that wasn't supposed to happen. Did they take too long to shoot and she suddenly came back to her senses? Or did she sense attack on her? But more importantly, how did the rockets explode midair, looked like some kind of invisible barrier around her.
I would wager Big Mom's Conqueror's Haki was responsible for destroying the rockets. Notice the black energy/lightning bolts around her on page 11. That, or she began to scream extra loud at that point.
Man, I didn't realise until this point how much I needed Bege as a huge castle man, complete with cigar chimney in my life.
I'm glad that Caesar's weapons were destroyed by Big Mom's screams rather than hitting her and being totally no sold.
Rinrin? Is that her nickname or just ms fucking up translations again?
They are not at fault here. Rinrin is now the official romanization as you can see on her bounties
Rinrin? Is that her nickname or just ms fucking up translations again?
Oda writes the names on the bounty posters in English. But he romanized her name as Linlin in Chapter 829, so this may be a mistake.
@Count:
But then why introduce a key witness while Big Mom is distraught over what really happened if the truth about the child cannibalism isn't going to be revealed? I doubt Oda's going to keep it under the wraps to the point where he teases it by having Streusen whisper it into Big Mom's ears without any text being shown.
If the flashback ended at where it did last chapter, I wouldn't be making any fuss right now. But introducing a witness that is currently in the present time situation is a big thing to take into note. That's a dead ringer for a Chekov's gun.
Oda will probably with Big Mom killed so that the adults know what happened but children aren't really sure how they got killed.
The children being dead leave the possibility of Big Mom feeling guilty or seeing her actions on another light. The kids being alive don't do much for the story at all. It just makes her mad at Streussen.
With the scene of Pudding whispering to Luffy and Nami while thinking about Lola leaving the family still in my mind, I'm very much not sold on Linlin eating Carmel and her housemates.
@Count:
And what was the point of even having the Giant there? They already hate Linlin and want her dead, this isn't constructively adding anything new to how they already feel about her. I keep feeling like Oda's trying really hard to mislead us.
So the children got beat up and left? And that's why the giants don't even dare speak Big Mom's name. It seems fairly weak and let's not forget the children disappeared. I also doubt the Big MOm network that can track Sanji but not the children.
I don't think he is hiding what happen. I think he is letting the spell out version come at the right moment for maximum drama. It's like you don't see Zeff take a bite out of his leg. You see him crush it and the reveal comes when Sanji discover it for maximum drama.
See guys? Mont D'Or is alright.
@Count:
It's moreso that if there's a witness present at the wedding, I expect that truth to come out. And if the truth's come out, I don't see why Oda would hide it unless he thinks we're dumb enough to not see the obvious signs of there being cannibalism. I like how dark it is too, but… I don't know. All I can really say for sure is that Big Mom was violent.
And what was the point of even having the Giant there? They already hate Linlin and want her dead, this isn't constructively adding anything new to how they already feel about her. I keep feeling like Oda's trying really hard to mislead us.
You missed a lot of point just to counter the obvious that BM ATE THEM!!!
it was specifically said that the witness giant never step foot on that island again so your argument that the news will somehow go back to BM is kinda invalid
Streusen is psycho as f*** you could see that in this chapter that he just laugh at the situation rather than do anything
The point of the giant being there is showing that this is the point in which BM crossed the line for all giants. Last chapter we are shown that some giants are still willing to help mother even though they resent BM now they have every reason to hate her
there are no more argument that can justify that BM did not eat them
Give a good and justifiable reason that this is not cannibalism?
@Count:
Pretty much. Placing emphasis on there being two witnesses indicates some sort of mystery and future big reveal in mind. If it was really as clear cut as just cannibalism (not that cannibalism can't be involved at all, I mean only that), I don't really see why Oda would go to such lengths to still hide it, continue the flashback like this, and have Big Mom so fixated on not knowing what really happened. Especially compared to the really dark things he's done like with Law's backstory, and acknowledging Zeff's autocannibalism (although Linlin is on a whole other level of morbid).
Lol he's not hiding hiding it, he's just making very apparent without directly showing it because watching Big Mom bite down on kids (hence the blood on the ground) is a bit too dark for this manga. There's no getting around it guys, we even have Streusen finding the whole thing funny and calling Big Mom a monster and she got Caramels power without being shown eating her df. She ate everyone, it's pretty much an open and shut case. Oda even went on to narrate that after the giant witness saw her eat the kids she became even more hated at Elbaf, that proves even further that she ate everyone.
Sooo… Anyone stlll gonna argue that Mama didn't eat Mother & the rest of the Lambs ? :ninja:
Sure, I will. Though it got a lot harder 
The giant: He saw BM rather eat than help the other kids and Caramel (or Carmel… seen both spellings), so he got super pissed about how selfish she was when she could have totally helped.
Streusen: He saw BM eat and casually avoid getting captured by, most likely, the government, and thought it was hilarious how she could do that. Would explain why he was also cautious about her getting too close to him as she could easily wreck him.
As for BM getting the Soul fruit... Well that hasn't changed since the last chapter. We simply don't know if it can be obtained through cannibalism or not, so that can't be argued for neither scenarios.
Possibly because he thinks it will have more impact if left unsaid and then explicitly confirmed only when the time for this final confrontation with Mama has come. It does create tension to leave this doubt for me as a reader, at the very least.
Also, I should have known you would be one to play the devil's advocate on this cannibalism matter
Perhaps. But I don't really see how it would functionally add anything new than just making her angry. Which she already is. If she instead feels guilty about it, then that can work. I guess. I would still think that is too much unnecessary tippy-toeing around the truth when it's already so supposedly obvious.
To be fair, I love dark introducing something like child cannibalism is lol. I'm only suspicious of how the story is framing this.
Oda will probably with Big Mom killed so that the adults know what happened but children aren't really sure how they got killed.
The children being dead leave the possibility of Big Mom feeling guilty or seeing her actions on another light. The kids being alive don't do much for the story at all. It just makes her mad at Streussen.
I think even kids reading this would assume that Linlin ate them. Oda couldn't have framed it more obviously.
Either way, she's going to probably be mad at Streussen. All we know for sure is that at least Carmel has to be dead, and Linlin can still feel responsible for that. I don't really think it's just the kids being alive that matters, but if Linlin possibly learns about Carmel being tied to CP0, which makes her disillusioned about her entire dream due to that being inspired by Carmel (Oda even drew Carmel smiling with a troll face this chapter. I really feel like Oda wouldn't let her get away with still being thought of as a saint). Something like that would cause just as much of a guilt trip. Although I have no suggestions to offer about how Linlin could piece together those pieces from Streusen's currently unknown impending testimony.
So the children got beat up and left? And that's why the giants don't even dare speak Big Mom's name. It seems fairly weak and let's not forget the children disappeared. I also doubt the Big MOm network that can track Sanji but not the children.
I don't think he is hiding what happen. I think he is letting the spell out version come at the right moment for maximum drama. It's like you don't see Zeff take a bite out of his leg. You see him crush it and the reveal comes when Sanji discover it for maximum drama.
The Giants could already not speak Big Mom's name after she literally killed one of their greatest heroes. Having them do so because she ate some orphans afterwards feels redundant. There's even a page already remarking how the news of killing Yoruru spread throughout the entire world. And we still need to learn about how exactly Linlin was able to get a political marriage with Elbaf despite being so supposedly hated, which makes all of this even more weird. I don't deny that the kids just running away is weak, but I would still expect it from Oda if he's trying to make Big Mom as sympathetic as possible.
And that is certainly true. But we find the truth out immediately in the same flashback chapter, whether than letting that suspense happen for what will presumably be weeks.
If Big Mom's really just a cannibal, and this is maybe because I'm just a sadist, but if I read a panel where Streussen yells that young Big Mom ate orphans in front of the entire wedding while everybody else has absolutely no clue behind the context, I would laugh my ass off reading that. It would be so random, while people at least know about Carmel from the picture lol.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
So her last known bounty is 500.000.000 At such a young age.
How all of Whole Cake Island and etc and all that stuff got turned into food etc all makes sense now with Streusen
That is a pretty awesome devil fruit power for a Chef to have.
Guys I'm reading from the japanese that the last attack name before "Big Father" is not "ein grosser vater", but is a little bit different but I don't understand the meaning.
Someone can help me?
In japanese there's written 城(ﾙｰｸ) イン・フォラ・グレーセ!! which is readable as "Castle (rook) IN FORA GREESE", what do you think is the correct translation?
I can't tell if Strousein is a greedy bastard or a psychopath.
He is an opportunist, just like Trebol. Just like him, he was an adult that came across this kid that has some serious mental issues and he decides to use the kid, build him/her up and teaches them piracy and supports them all the way to the top.
If Big Mom ends up dying at the end of the arc, the giants are gonna have a field day, and combined with the fact Hajrudin is one of the heads of the grand fleet, the Strawhats will be welcomed as heroes when they get to Elbaf.
They likely already would see them in a good light considering the Strawhats dare to go against Big Mom. But yeah, I want to see them be welcomed to the island like how they were on Whiskey Island (remember the very first island the SHs visited after leaving Reverse Mts?) but it be genuine this time.
@Kaido:
With the scene of Pudding whispering to Luffy and Nami while thinking about Lola leaving the family still in my mind, I'm very much not sold on Linlin eating Carmel and her housemates.
So the children got beat up and left? And that's why the giants don't even dare speak Big Mom's name. It seems fairly weak and let's not forget the children disappeared. I also doubt the Big MOm network that can track Sanji but not the children.
I don't think he is hiding what happen. I think he is letting the spell out version come at the right moment for maximum drama. It's like you don't see Zeff take a bite out of his leg. You see him crush it and the reveal comes when Sanji discover it for maximum drama.
Part of me wants to suggest that Rinrin's (I really like Linlin better, I keep wanting to write Rin Rin Tin) delirious state lasted longer than we think, and Carmel, deciding to cut losses, could have had some allies grab the other kids and left Linlin behind.
BUT that's too flimsy. AS you point out, something really gruesome happened that made an entire warrior society not even speak her name … something horrified these huge ass tough as nails warriors.
@Count:
Pretty much. Placing emphasis on there being two witnesses indicates some sort of mystery and future big reveal in mind. If it was really as clear cut as just cannibalism (not that cannibalism can't be involved at all, I mean only that), I don't really see why Oda would go to such lengths to still hide it, continue the flashback like this, and have Big Mom so fixated on not knowing what really happened. Especially compared to the really dark things he's done like with Law's backstory, and acknowledging Zeff's autocannibalism (although Linlin is on a whole other level of morbid).
I don't agree at all. If she hadn't eaten them, why would the giants, after hearing what had happened, been so repugned by Big Mom that they even avoided using her name? The only possible answer is that Big Mom did something terrible, something despicable at that moment. In other words, she ate them. If something else had happened, the giants would have no reason to be so repugned by Big Mom, it had to be something terrible done by Big Mom herself.
As for why, from the storytelling point of view, there were two witnesses, is was to: 1) further justify the bad blood between Big Mom and the giants (of which she isn't even aware it's her fault); 2) to explain how Big Mom managed to go on, survive and prosper (with the help of that guy).
I don't agree at all. If she hadn't eaten them, why would the giants, after hearing what had happened, been so repugned by Big Mom that they even avoided using her name? The only possible answer is that Big Mom did something terrible, something despicable at that moment. In other words, she ate them. If something else had happened, the giants would have no reason to be so repugned by Big Mom, it had to be something terrible done by Big Mom herself.
Who says it's the ONLY thing she could have done that would be so terrible?
Spoiler:
Sure, I will. Though it got a lot harder
The giant: He saw BM rather eat than help the other kids and Caramel (or Carmel… seen both spellings), so he got super pissed about how selfish she was when she could have totally helped.
Streusen: He saw BM eat and casually avoid getting captured by, most likely, the government, and thought it was hilarious how she could do that. Would explain why he was also cautious about her getting too close to him as she could easily wreck him.
As for BM getting the Soul fruit... Well that hasn't changed since the last chapter. We simply don't know if it can be obtained through cannibalism or not, so that can't be argued for neither scenarios.
if you witness the wreckage BM could do(as the giant) you know you cant do anything but just watch as the carnage happen or else you could end up as one of her food
Struesen specifically said she is a monster and laughs about the situation…
The giant seeing what happened could only be as a way for the SH to find out what happened assuming BM hasn't been defeated by the time the SH go to Elbaf. Big Mom's character as a child is meant to be seen as part innocent child part monstrous glutton. You're supposed to feel some sympathy for her since she really can't control herself but at the same time acknowledge all the vileness she's capable of due to whatever extreme mental illness she has. Furthermore she grew up to be even more warped and hellbent on her dream willing to kill anyone who wasnt going to go along with her. As an adult you can clearly see how she still has a self entitled childish mindset and is pretty amoral.
I don't agree at all. If she hadn't eaten them, why would the giants, after hearing what had happened, been so repugned by Big Mom that they even avoided using her name? The only possible answer is that Big Mom did something terrible, something despicable at that moment. In other words, she ate them. If something else had happened, the giants would have no reason to be so repugned by Big Mom, it had to be something terrible done by Big Mom herself.
As for why, from the storytelling point of view, there were two witnesses, is was to: 1) further justify the bad blood between Big Mom and the giants (of which she isn't even aware it's her fault); 2) to explain how Big Mom managed to go on, survive and prosper (with the help of that guy).
The giant: He saw BM rather eat than help the other kids and Caramel (or Carmel… seen both spellings), so he got super pissed about how selfish she was when she could have totally helped.
Something like this could explain it. Who knows.
Sure, I will. Though it got a lot harder
The giant: He saw BM rather eat than help the other kids and Caramel (or Carmel… seen both spellings), so he got super pissed about how selfish she was when she could have totally helped.
Streusen: He saw BM eat and casually avoid getting captured by, most likely, the government, and thought it was hilarious how she could do that. Would explain why he was also cautious about her getting too close to him as she could easily wreck him.
As for BM getting the Soul fruit... Well that hasn't changed since the last chapter. We simply don't know if it can be obtained through cannibalism or not, so that can't be argued for neither scenarios.
Its plausible (though not probable) that someone attacked and took the kids. But selfishness scenario you suggest isn't enough to horrifiy the giants to such a degree they refuse to say her name. They already think her selfish due to her tantrum that lead to the death of one of their heroes. So it has to be something far worse than that.
You forgot Carmel's robes that seem to have bite marks from last chapter.
You missed a lot of point just to counter the obvious that BM ATE THEM!!!
it was specifically said that the witness giant never step foot on that island again so your argument that the news will somehow go back to BM is kinda invalid
Streusen is psycho as f*** you could see that in this chapter that he just laugh at the situation rather than do anything
The point of the giant being there is showing that this is the point in which BM crossed the line for all giants. Last chapter we are shown that some giants are still willing to help mother even though they resent BM now they have every reason to hate her
there are no more argument that can justify that BM did not eat them
Give a good and justifiable reason that this is not cannibalism?
1. Um, Streussen is there. He's the second witness. He can and will say what happened. You don't need the giant there to give that info "back" to Big Mom. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
2. Streusen could have been laughing at a bunch of things. Like CP0 coming to abduct the children while Carmel somehow gets killed by either them or Linlin, and Linlin doesn't do anything because of dumbfounded by eating Semla.
3. Then why did they agree to the political marriage offer with Loki and Lola? Why would they ever make a deal like that with somebody who they know is deranged enough to eat children as a child? She already crossed a line when she killed Yoruru. Having a giant seeing cannibalism doesn't add anything else to the plot. The only constructive thing it can really do is help mislead us.
4. There are at least a few.
Here's one good and justifiable reason. Why go through all of this trouble to hide that it's cannibalism when Streusen's probably going to reveal that it's cannibalism? This arc has already had plot-twists all over the place. Having cannibalism be telegraphed this much and then revealing it after the flashback as if it's supposedly shocking would be the weakest twist in this entire arc.
I don't agree at all. If she hadn't eaten them, why would the giants, after hearing what had happened, been so repugned by Big Mom that they even avoided using her name? The only possible answer is that Big Mom did something terrible, something despicable at that moment. In other words, she ate them. If something else had happened, the giants would have no reason to be so repugned by Big Mom, it had to be something terrible done by Big Mom herself.
I can't really answer why specifically other than Big Mom just being really violent and maybe killing some CP0 agents and/or Carmel, who is evil and deserved it, but the Giants don't know that about Carmel. That doesn't mean she had to kill/eat the kids too. The giants said that they'll still come back to help Carmel, and that she is seen as a hero to Elbaf. Given that and Linlin inheriting her fruit, that probably means Linlin killed Carmel. But that does not necessarily mean the kids had to have died as well.
As for why, from the storytelling point of view, there were two witnesses, is was to: 1) further justify the bad blood between Big Mom and the giants (of which she isn't even aware it's her fault); 2) to explain how Big Mom managed to go on, survive and prosper (with the help of that guy).
There's no need to further justify the bad blood when they have all the fuel they need in seeing her kill Yoruru. And Oda didn't need to emphasize that there were two witnesses to have her meet somebody like Streusen. He is a witness that is in the party right now. He's going to talk about what happened at some point. This isn't about if, it's about when.
@Kaido:
Who says it's the ONLY thing she could have done that would be so terrible?
Exactly.
Sure, I will. Though it got a lot harder
The giant: He saw BM rather eat than help the other kids and Caramel (or Carmel… seen both spellings), so he got super pissed about how selfish she was when she could have totally helped.
Streusen: He saw BM eat and casually avoid getting captured by, most likely, the government, and thought it was hilarious how she could do that. Would explain why he was also cautious about her getting too close to him as she could easily wreck him.
As for BM getting the Soul fruit... Well that hasn't changed since the last chapter. We simply don't know if it can be obtained through cannibalism or not, so that can't be argued for neither scenarios.
See, now this is a theory I can get behind. The giant just being so disgusted by Linlin not helping Carmel or the kids getting taken by CP0. And maybe with a mix of Linlin being so violent in her eating that she messed with CP0 and maybe Carmel too.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
@Kaido:
Who says it's the ONLY thing she could have done that would be so terrible?
She was on a eating frenzy. So much so that she ate the table, couldn't see through her eyes and doesn't even remember what happened. She wouldn't have done anything else but eating. And even if she did something else, like attacking someone who was trying to prevent her from eating, that wouldn't justify why they were suddenly all gone, nor would that be any more terrible than when Big Mom attacked and killed the giant elder. Furthermore, if the kids and Mother were gone because someone else intervened, then that wouldn't justify why the giants focused their repulsion towards Big Mom over what happened.
Everything in this chapter points towards Big Mom herself (not anybody else) doing something terrible, something even more despicable than attacking the giant elder, and I don't see any other logical possibility than her eating them. At this point, I think it's a done deal. She ate them and Oda is just not being too graphic about it because that's some dark stuff.
i'm glad whola cake sland was explained finally
also seem to be confirmed that younkou have haoshoku haki so big that they can marginally interact with physical onjects…like it happened when shanks and whitebeard clashed
@Count:
I know it's pointing towards that. But all we really know for sure if Big Mom acted violent enough to make him cautious. I don't see why Oda's tiptoeing so much around cannibalism when it's already so obvious.
Because this is Weekly Shounen Jump, the very magazine that rejected Attack on Titan from serializing on their magazine?
Graphic depiction of eating children is waaaaay beyond what they consider appropriate to publish.
She was on a eating frenzy. So much so that she ate the table, couldn't see through her eyes and doesn't even remember what happened. She wouldn't have done anything else but eating. And even if she did something else, like attacking someone who was trying to prevent her from eating, that wouldn't justify why they were suddenly all gone, nor would that be any more terrible than when Big Mom attacked and killed the giant elder. Furthermore, if the kids and Mother were gone because someone else intervened, then that wouldn't justify why the giants focused their repulsion towards Big Mom over what happened.
Everything in this chapter points towards Big Mom herself (not anybody else) doing something terrible, something even more despicable than attacking the giant elder, and I don't see any other logical possibility than her eating them. At this point, I think it's a done deal. She ate them and Oda is just not being too graphic about it because that's some dark stuff.
Big Mom focused on eating instead of helping the kids getting kidnapped, and Carmel either got killed by CP0 (for some reason, I don't know) or really did get killed by Linlin. Boom, done. You practically laid out how the Giant could get disgusted by Linlin right there in how focused she was on eating.
Streusen+Sanji to save the day.
Because this is Weekly Shounen Jump, the very magazine that rejected Attack on Titan from serializing on their magazine?
Graphic depiction of eating children is waaaaay beyond what they consider appropriate to publish.
Ooh, I didn't know that. But I don't mean literally showing what happened. Just talking about it. If it really was just cannibalism, it's likely that Streussen as a witness is going to tell Big Mom the truth at some point since she is in anguish about not knowing what happened to Carmel. What I'm saying is, if Streussen can potentially do that, then why can't Oda just have Streussen, the Giant, or the narrator say Linlin ate some orphans?
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
Its plausible (though not probable) that someone attacked and took the kids. But selfishness scenario you suggest isn't enough to horrifiy the giants to such a degree they refuse to say her name. They already think her selfish due to her tantrum that lead to the death of one of their heroes. So it has to be something far worse than that.
You forgot Carmel's robes that seem to have bite marks from last chapter.
I'd say it's pretty bad to ignore the people around her being taken away, and maybe even killed in Carmel's case. I say ignore because we, readers, know she's not doing it on purpose. From the giant's point of view it may appear as that.
And didn't realize those were bite marks, merely thought they looked torn from some sort of struggle 
you could be right about it being bite marks.
Streusel: "oh cp0 killed your mother figure and took your siblings"
Big Mom: "and you didn't tell me this once I had an army because?…
I'm with the attack on titan crew on this.
@Count:
Ooh, I didn't know that. But I don't mean literally showing what happened. Just talking about it. If it really was just cannibalism, it's likely that Streussen as a witness is going to tell Big Mom the truth at some point since she is in anguish about not knowing what happened to Carmel. What I'm saying is, if Streussen can potentially do that, then why can't Oda just have Streussen, the Giant, or the narrator say Linlin ate some orphans?
Because, even directly stating it might be too much for, oh I dunno, the most popular children's comic book in all of Japan.
If he wanted a dark theme like this but safely depict it, making it vague as possible while still making it obvious enough to understand is pretty much the only way to go about.
It was shocking enough to even "suggest" an entire shirne full of orphans getting burned to death in Rurouni Kenshin, to do it in ONE PIECE is risky as hell.
Good thing I managed to resist the spoilers this time. Big Mom is becoming one of my favorite characters, so I was pretty excited to see what was going to happen now… good to see she was able to fend off the missiles on her own.
Streusen getting some relevance was unexpected, but I like it. Now, PLEASE, make this crew look competent, Oda!
On the matter of cannibalism, I am convinced now. If it was for Streusen alone, ok, but that giant was not simply impressed with Linlin (I am sticking with this because that's how her name was written in Ch829. Maybe Oda will correct this one in the volume), he came with news that made Elbaf hate her even further, so we can only think she made something really bad, not just did show great strength. Also, this adds much more to her character than anything else that could have happened there, so I'm partial here.
Because, even directly stating it might be too much for, oh I dunno, the most popular children's comic book in all of Japan.
If he wanted a dark theme like this but safely depict it, making it vague as possible while still making it obvious enough to understand is pretty much the only way to go about.It was shocking enough to even "suggest" an entire shirne full of orphans getting burned to death in Rurouni Kenshin, to do it in ONE PIECE is risky as FUCK.
It's not that I don't agree with you about how it is too morbid for a children's magazine, visually or verbally. It's just that Streussen is right there. A key witness. A living Chekov's gun. He has to say something if Linlin's having breakdown from not knowing what happened. Oda's placing too much emphasis on Linlin getting mystified for that not to get solved. If it's the eating part that's morbid, just replace it with saying they got killed or are dead.
So are you saying that Oda's just going to ignore the living Chekov's gun that's right there? That he's just not going to say anything for the rest of the arc or privately whisper the truth into Linlin's ear without any text bubbles or something? Or that Big Mom's just going to forget about this and make her peace with not knowing for some arbitrary reason? Because there would be little point in emphasizing the mystery so much and Streussen being a witness if there's not going to be some sort of reveal. And because of that, I doubt the truth is really as clear-cut as Linlin just killing/eating everybody. Because if the truth is going to get revealed, it most likely wouldn't be something so morbid for a children's magazine like this.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
Streusen seems to have played a key part in creating the food-themed archipel and WCI itself. His memories of the fateful day + Pudding's power could be the key to the guilt overload that eventually breaks Linlin.
Sixteen characters of agreed.
I see you Pandaman….
@Aohige_AP:
Because this is Weekly Shounen Jump, the very magazine that rejected Attack on Titan from serializing on their magazine?
Wut?!
Rinrin? Is that her nickname or just ms fucking up translations again?
Mangastream is basing it off of the poster, where it says Rinrin. Just like they changed Donquixote to "Donquijote" when Rosinante's Marine picture was shown.
But, of course, "Donquijote" was fixed in the volume, and we already have this instance of her name being "Linlin" that's more important.
And that remained in the volume.
Is Smoothie actually gonna do something!?
@Count:
I think even kids reading this would assume that Linlin ate them. Oda couldn't have framed it more obviously.
If you ask them to think really hard about it maybe. But for casual kid simply reading a story I don't think he is interested in solving the puzzle ahead. When Big Mom is reveal to have killed everyone it will be just that simple. She killed them. It's not about the killing but the gruesome image of an overgrown child eating children.
Either way, she's going to probably be mad at Streussen.
All we know for sure is that at least Carmel has to be dead, and Linlin can still feel responsible for that.
If that was the plan the whole evil Carmel think becomes weird. Why have Big Mom feel guilty for the evil woman who wanted to sell her rather than the one where she feels guilty about the woman that wanted to raise her. Why even have her commit an act of cannibalism if it is to shy away from the rest?
I don't really think it's just the kids being alive that matters, but if Linlin possibly learns about Carmel being tied to CP0, which makes her disillusioned about her entire dream due to that being inspired by Carmel (Oda even drew Carmel smiling with a troll face this chapter. I really feel like Oda wouldn't let her get away with still being thought of as a saint). Something like that would cause just as much of a guilt trip.
So Big Mom is not going to learn that her lack of restraint cause the death of her family but rather that people cannot be trusted and wanting a country for equality is an awful idea. I kind of doubt that. I mean I don't think learning the only person she kills wanted to kill her is going to send her on guilt trip or change how mad she is at the strawhats or even change of her love for sweets. All it does is show her that she was justified in her killing just like all the others.
Why would she feel guilty for killing the evil woman that wanted to exploit her. All that should do is make her go even more crazy.
The Giants could already not speak Big Mom's name after she literally killed one of their greatest heroes.
It was said that happened after the story of the giant so the incident of the island is what caused such a strong reaction.
Having them do so because she ate some orphans afterwards feels redundant.
The chapter described them as being disgusted by Big Mom and pretty much trying to wipe her out of her mind. I would expect them to be mad if it had to with the giant killing. Plus it says it has to do with what happen on the island.
There's even a page already remarking how the news of killing Yoruru spread throughout the entire world.
So did this particular story. And while the first made them them mad, the second made them disgusted and erase Big Mom name.
And we still need to learn about how exactly Linlin was able to get a political marriage with Elbaf despite being so supposedly hated, which makes all of this even more weird.
Loki is currently a baby so his feelings for Big Mom are less strong and he fell in love with Lola.
I don't deny that the kids just running away is weak, but I would still expect it from Oda if he's trying to make Big Mom as sympathetic as possible.
Considering the visual of that panel of Big Mom holding the king while terrorizing a bunch fleeing islander, I doubt you are to find her sympathetic. She is the monster that doesn't know she is a monster. The good way to make her realize she is indeed a monster is not to have her kill the evil child selling mother but rather the accidental killing of the innocent family she had.
And that is certainly true. But we find the truth out immediately in the same flashback chapter, whether than letting that suspense happen for what will presumably be weeks.
It was back in the days where Zoro flashback could take one chapter.
Streussen could easily have teach the older children about hiding those Big Mom kill from her from his own experience. I really think everything points to her having killed them.
Btw. the stone portion of the Bege castle reminds me of Rockbiter from The Neverending Story.
Something like this could explain it. Who knows.
The giants already knew that she is single-minded when she is hungry/eating because that's how she attacked and killed their elder. IMO, simply being distracted by food while something else is happening is not nearly enough for them to be repugned by her specifically to even avoid saying her name. In that scenario, the giants would focus on whoever attacked mother and the kids, not Big Mom. Even the guy that helps her states she is a monster and to "not get too close".
Sweet!
Oda, you troll. Three missiles as if there was a backup or backup for the backup when you made all three fire at the same time and place.
What will happen now
well,technically they always had a couple seconds to fire and then flee..they wouldn't have time to fire three of them one after the other.
@Count:
Pretty much. Placing emphasis on there being two witnesses indicates some sort of mystery and future big reveal in mind. If it was really as clear cut as just cannibalism (not that cannibalism can't be involved at all, I mean only that), I don't really see why Oda would go to such lengths to still hide it, continue the flashback like this, and have Big Mom so fixated on not knowing what really happened. Especially compared to the really dark things he's done like with Law's backstory, and acknowledging Zeff's autocannibalism (although Linlin is on a whole other level of morbid).
it's possible that the way his editor let Oda get away with it (canibalism against children in a shonen manga) is by not showing it,but it doesn't stop him from implying it as hard as he can…
the first point of view was needed to explain whole cake island and the entire totland archipelago in the first place..like i said in the past,one thing is a crazy weather,another is processed food that rains from the sky.
the other point of view might just be to reinforce the hate linlin got from the giants...also,if it's not something linlin did,why would what he saw increase the hate of the giants for linlin so much that they don't even say her name?@Kaido:
Who says it's the ONLY thing she could have done that would be so terrible?
because she was eating at the moment
i mean,already the implication that she did something else than eating while eating is a bit of a stretch…almost as a stretch as something else happening while she finished her plate...2 chapters ago the giants had to stop her from eating all the food on the table at once...that kid eats fast,there ain't many things that could have happened in that short amount of time.
@Count:
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He will reveal that she killed the children. Not that she ate them. The eating is the real problematic part. Hell he might even find some wording where he says Big Mom hurt them but you understand that Big Mom killed and ate them.
Think of how many ways the bible have of talking about sex without setting the alarm of children.
Still this nonsense of people denying she (LinLin) ate all those childrens. We're adults reading a comic for children, people!
Streussen is there to show the start of the Big Mom pirates and how she became a pirate, just like Trebol with Donquixote.
edit: great chapter btw, very fun 
The face expressions of the alliance members as the plan went up in smoke were absolutely priceless, especially Bege's.
The only ways i can see them surviving at this point is either that somehow Pudding manages to edit Linlin's memories to make her forget anything about the Straw Hats or that Streussen spills the beans to Linlin about everything. But i'm more inclined to the first, given how Pudding's ability remained "unused" in the plot until now.
The giants already knew that she is single-minded when she is hungry/eating because that's how she attacked and killed their elder. IMO, simply being distracted by food while something else is happening is not nearly enough for them to be repugned by her specifically to even avoid saying her name. In that scenario, the giants would focus on whoever attacked mother and the kids, not Big Mom. Even the guy that helps her states she is a monster and to "not get too close".
Yeah, I know. Still, I'm still thinking Oda might be playing us. But there are definitely good arguments for it simply being what it seems.
However, if it turns out it was something like I suggested the giants may have said something like this:
"What?! Some scoundrels killed Mother and took away the children? You say LinLin just sat there stuffing her face with semla?! Even though Mother, whom we owe a great debt to, went out of her way to protect that child after she sacked our village and killed an elderly person?! That vile beast! Rabble rabble rabble!"
@Count:
1. Um, Streussen is there. He's the second witness. He can and will say what happened. You don't need the giant there to give that info "back" to Big Mom. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
2. Streusen could have been laughing at a bunch of things. Like CP0 coming to abduct the children while Carmel somehow gets killed by either them or Linlin, and Linlin doesn't do anything because of dumbfounded by eating Semla.
3. Then why did they agree to the political marriage offer with Loki and Lola? Why would they ever make a deal like that with somebody who they know is deranged enough to eat children as a child? She already crossed a line when she killed Yoruru. Having a giant seeing cannibalism doesn't add anything else to the plot. The only constructive thing it can really do is help mislead us.
4. There are at least a few.
Here's one good and justifiable reason. Why go through all of this trouble to hide that it's cannibalism when Streusen's probably going to reveal that it's cannibalism? This arc has already had plot-twists all over the place. Having cannibalism be telegraphed this much and then revealing it after the flashback as if it's supposedly shocking would be the weakest twist in this entire arc.
I can't really answer why specifically other than Big Mom just being really violent and maybe killing some CP0 agents and/or Carmel, who is evil and deserved it, but the Giants don't know that about Carmel. That doesn't mean she had to kill/eat the kids too. The giants said that they'll still come back to help Carmel, and that she is seen as a hero to Elbaf. Given that and Linlin inheriting her fruit, that probably means Linlin killed Carmel. But that does not necessarily mean the kids had to have died as well.
Streusen specifically denied what happen to BM in this chapter because he wants to take advantage of her it is SHOWN IN THE CHAPTER! LOL AT YOUR ARGUMENT THERE!!!! HAHAHHAA
he wants to take control of her and her power as stated he is a ruined pirate and what other way to make a comeback is take control of BM
AGAIN ANOTHER LOL TO UR ARGUMENT! HAHAHA if there is a CP0 THE GIANT WOULD HAVE HELP CAUSE IT IS MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HAPPEN IN ELBAF AND HE WOULD HAVE NOT HATED BM!!! seriously ur argument is pathetic lol
giants are based on vikings! And more or less it is monarch country how could you say no to a prince lol
why hide it? BECAUSE IT IS NOT ATTACK OF THE TITANS AND ODA DONT WANT A GRAPHIC CONTENT LOL!
ANY MORE ARGUMENT? PLEASE GIVE AT LEAST A GOOD REASONABLE ONE LOL
honestly dude just stop you just look pathetic the more you argue lol hahahha
Because, even directly stating it might be too much for, oh I dunno, the most popular children's comic book in all of Japan.
If he wanted a dark theme like this but safely depict it, making it vague as possible while still making it obvious enough to understand is pretty much the only way to go about.It was shocking enough to even "suggest" an entire shirne full of orphans getting burned to death in Rurouni Kenshin, to do it in ONE PIECE is risky as hell.
How did he get away with implying cannibalism during Big Mom's introduction chapter?
still don't know how oda is gonna go about this…
I mean,we know they can't win this battle, now everyone gets into the castle and then what?
1)fight everyone inside?
Even with the fact that capone is basically a god inside that and can help everyone with their battles,their are stil too strong to be beaten IMHO,especially if big mom regains her composure.
it doesn't seem particularly fast or agile,but maybe there's some kind of engine hidden much like the tank crawlers back in zou?
but this would mean that capone stays behind and dies
Streusen specifically denied what happen to BM in this chapter because he wants to take advantage of her it is SHOWN IN THE CHAPTER! LOL AT YOUR ARGUMENT THERE!!!! HAHAHHAA
he wants to take control of her and her power as stated he is a ruined pirate and what other way to make a comeback is take control of BMAGAIN ANOTHER LOL TO UR ARGUMENT! HAHAHA if there is a CP0 THE GIANT WOULD HAVE HELP CAUSE IT IS MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HAPPEN IN ELBAF AND HE WOULD HAVE NOT HATED BM!!! seriously ur argument is pathetic lol
giants are based on vikings! And more or less it is monarch country how could you say no to a prince lol
why hide it? BECAUSE IT IS NOT ATTACK OF THE TITANS AND ODA DONT WANT A GRAPHIC CONTENT LOL!
ANY MORE ARGUMENT? PLEASE GIVE AT LEAST A GOOD REASONABLE ONE LOL
honestly dude just stop you just look pathetic the more you argue lol hahahha
Wow. You certainly made him look like a fool.
still don't know how oda is gonna go about this…
I mean,we know they can't win this battle, now everyone gets into the castle and then what?
1)fight everyone inside?
Even with the fact that capone is basically a god inside that and can help everyone with their battles,their are stil too strong to be beaten IMHO,especially if big mom regains her composure.
- The castle flees with everyone inside?
it doesn't seem particularly fast or agile,but maybe there's some kind of engine hidden much like the tank crawlers back in zou?
- he uses his powers to create mirrors inside his castle and use them to teleport via brulee
but this would mean that capone stays behind and dies
And here is when my Davy Back Fight theorie starts. The only way to survive is to play a game with Linlin.
