The chapter was fun and that's the most important. Big Mom should have a room of sweets so repair can be easy.
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Chapter 855: Growwwwwwlll!
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Brook copied all three poneglyphs. Only one side of a poneglyph has text written on it.
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How strange. You're just joking right?
Why would I be? The attempts at stealing Brook back got just enough paneltime to become a memorable setpiece, and the timing of Brooks Poneglyph-theft reveal was on point, especially that last nice and big panel. Its executed well, but the impact would've been even greater if we'd actually seen his break-in and Big Mom standoff, instead of allusions to them.
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Why would I be? The attempts at stealing Brook back got just enough paneltime to become a memorable setpiece, and the timing of Brooks Poneglyph-theft reveal was on point, especially that last nice and big panel. Its executed well, but the impact would've been even greater if we'd actually seen his break-in and Big Mom standoff, instead of allusions to them.
I believe you. I've just never known you to like things. Not the Daz I know.
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The whole rescue Brook scene seemed really forced to me, to be honest, like it was trying too hard to be funny… Or maybe it's because I had just woke up and was not in a funny mood, anyways it just didn't work for me.
You can either accept that her and her crew are grossly incompetent or accept it to be linked to comedic value.
Also, BM being suddenly asleep just adds to the mountain of contrived coincidences Oda keep throwing at this arc to allow the plot to move on, so another reason for me to dislike the scene.
I can understand a lot of criticism but I don't see Big Mom sleeping at night as a contrived coincidence.
Bobbin bounty is too low by the current standards, I wonder if the reason is because usually everyone is asleep when he attacks so most of his deeds don't have witnesses
I remember the good old times when high bounties meant something.
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Random thought: Has anyone picked up on the irony that, for all of Big Mom's vaunted information network, she's at the risk of losing out big because she's got no idea what's happening in her own castle.
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Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Bobbin The Fixer
his DF is probably…
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Random thought: Has anyone picked up on the irony that, for all of Big Mom's vaunted information network, she's at the risk of losing out big because she's got no idea what's happening in her own castle.
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Technically, the Mirror World isn't part of her castle.
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Technically, the Mirror World isn't part of her castle.
I disagree, but even without that you've got the fact that she has zero awareness of anyone's escapes or survival since her kids are to afraid of her to reveal any screw ups
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[hide]https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/content/comics/one-piece-2_58650da78040f/855-0-gugyurururu_589c27db21d8e/08.png[/hide]This is great stuff. Probably worth a bump every couple pages.
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Random thought: Has anyone picked up on the irony that, for all of Big Mom's vaunted information network, she's at the risk of losing out big because she's got no idea what's happening in her own castle.
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Anyone outwith her immediate soul leeching area is more than happy to report information to her, not so much inside it.
The perils of habitually fucking with your own crew.
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Random thought: Has anyone picked up on the irony that, for all of Big Mom's vaunted information network, she's at the risk of losing out big because she's got no idea what's happening in her own castle.
I have been thinking about since the beginning of last chapter. The only logical conclusion I got was that her crew has great ressources but are grossly incompetent.
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just as he kept to his word about being stealthy?
Even if he didn't keep his word to be stealthy, that's still a simple facet of his main plan, which is to go to Totto Land, retrieve Sanji, and get out. And I have more trust that he will stick to his main plan even if various parts of it doesn't succeed.
But let's say Luffy breaks his promise about not battling Big Mom. Do you expect him to defeat her? Luffy's statement against Fujitora is now pretty well known, but he still lost to Fujitora in that battle and would have died had the citizens not come in to help. I won't get into the many, many reasons why taking down Big Mom in this arc won't happen, but with the simple differences in power between them alone, all any sort of climax confrontation will amount to is Luffy having to leave Totto Land without defeating the enemy; what Big Mom's role will be in this is up in the air of course. He couldn't even defeat a Sweet Commander by himself.
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I have been thinking about since the beginning of last chapter. The only logical conclusion I got was that her crew has great ressources but are grossly incompetent.
I think it's less incompetence and more everyone thinking "if I told Mama I messed up I'm a dead man" like we saw with Opera. Everyone is perfectly competent, but are in a perpetual "cover our asses" mode that Big Mom is kept in the dark on anything negative. Add of right now we have at least three of them (Smoothie, Opera, and Bobbin) hiding the fact of escaped prisoners and rebellious underlings.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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I have been thinking about since the beginning of last chapter. The only logical conclusion I got was that her crew has great ressources but are grossly incompetent.
It pretty much resembles situations in real life homes when the children do something wrong and attempt to fix it before their parents find out in order to avoid getting punished, only to fail spectacularly. Only here it's taken up to eleven where the children are tasked with killing/capturing people and the prospective punishment from the parent is death.
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I mentioned this on the spoiler thread, but I'm gonna mention it again: The straw hats are already the crew who is closest to finding Raftel. At least that we know of.
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I mentioned this on the spoiler thread, but I'm gonna mention it again: The straw hats are already the crew who is closest to finding Raftel. At least that we know of.
It's like I can actually see the end already.If they weren't before they certainly are now, with two Road Poneglyphs and someone capable of reading them.
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If they weren't before they certainly are now, with two Road Poneglyphs and someone capable of reading them.
and someone able to map all that info and navigate there
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I mentioned this on the spoiler thread, but I'm gonna mention it again: The straw hats are already the crew who is closest to finding Raftel. At least that we know of.
It's like I can actually see the end already.The other side of this coin though is that they now have a HUGE target on their back.
Gettting to Raftel became both easier and harder at the same time.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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I think it's less incompetence and more everyone thinking "if I told Mama I messed up I'm a dead man" like we saw with Opera. Everyone is perfectly competent, but are in a perpetual "cover our asses" mode that Big Mom is kept in the dark on anything negative. Add of right now we have at least three of them (Smoothie, Opera, and Bobbin) hiding the fact of escaped prisoners and rebellious underlings.
They have no internal cohesion or communication skills and it actively prevent them from dealings with the most simple situations. So they may be good as individual but as a crew they are indeed incompetent.
Brulée has been missing for hours. Opera is hiding the escape from other crew members(Big Mom was not in the room). Sighting of Luffy and the others are either overlooked or covered up. Mooks are taken care off by their commander to hide information. You say all is justified by fearing Big Mom(why not communicate among themselves without telling big Mom?) but that means their incompetence is justified by Big Mom not that they aren't incompetent.
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It pretty much resembles situations in real life homes when the children do something wrong and attempt to fix it before their parents find out in order to avoid getting punished, only to fail spectacularly. Only here it's taken up to eleven where the children are tasked with killing/capturing people and the prospective punishment from the parent is death.
I would say in those cases children tends to cooperate to not get caught but I wouldn't try to apply the notion of competence to children in the first place.
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Not much to say other than the last page is touching in a grim way and I thought the chapter was hilarious.
I'd go as far as to say that the last panel of the chapter is one of the best Oda's ever drawn.
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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They have no internal cohesion or communication skills and it actively prevent them from dealings with the most simple situations. So they may be good as individual but as a crew they are indeed incompetent.
Brulée has been missing for hours. Opera is hiding the escape from other crew members(Big Mom was not in the room). Sighting of Luffy and the others are either overlooked or covered up. Mooks are taken care off by their commander to hide information. You say all is justified by fearing Big Mom(why not communicate among themselves without telling big Mom?) but that means their incompetence is justified by Big Mom not that they aren't incompetent.
I wouldn't use the word justified, since that implies a good reason. It's more "that explains why they're doing it". You're right though that, as a group, they aren't doing a good job. The reason, say, Opera doesn't tell all to at least his siblings is because word will get back to Mama, which is the same as telling her himself
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Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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The reason I think that it seems that they are incompetent is because they are. But usually Big Mom isn't as distracted by her wedding preparations or whatever else she isdoing right now so she isn't looking her crystal ball or whatever she uses for information. Not to mention the wedding adds an element of Big Mom being extremely hopeful for it to go smooth and we see what happens when she doesn't get what she wants. The wedding is causing a larger reaction though because she has not only been looking forward to the cake but the actual partnership -the wedding will cement as well.
Anyway I loved this chapter. One of the best imo and I hope that now the SH are only in 2 groups Oda will be able to give more focus to the chapters instead of flipping constantly. My one big question is where the heck is Ceaser?
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Great chapter, last page was really nice..
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Opera doesn't tell all to at least his siblings is because word will get back to Mama, which is the same as telling her himself
But the situation is not in his control. If Luffy(who knows is helped by Jimbei) escape, he is dead. And even if he doesn't and get captured they will still know he failed at guarding the prisonner except on top of that he hid their escape. The only decent move would be to try working with his siblings to capture Luffy before Big Mom knows about it. Afterall none of them wants the marriage to get disturbed. At least with Smoothie she's a commander and can take of the problem with her faction but Opera(who was out for some time) either he is being stupid or he just sign his own death.
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But the situation is not in his control. If Luffy(who knows is helped by Jimbei) escape, he is dead. And even if he doesn't and get captured they will still know he failed at guarding the prisonner except on top of that he hid their escape. The only decent move would be to try working with his siblings to capture Luffy before Big Mom knows about it. Afterall none of them wants the marriage to get disturbed. At least with Smoothie she's a commander and can take of the problem with her faction but Opera(who was out for some time) either he is being stupid or he just sign his own death.
Probably stupid, because Opera clearly isn't thinking that far ahead
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Look, you guys, you've got to remember everything has its context. I've made no secret that I'm a big fan of Big Mom's crew as well as OP's pacing/content ESPECIALLY once they got on Zou. I feel that since the beginning of Zou One Piece has been on a high that it's still on. It's easy to call BM's crew incompetent and this and that, but we have to remember that this is a Yonkou crew that's been active for decades. Remember, the selling point of the Yonkou isn't just that they're the top 4 biggest bad pirates, it's that, for the most part they're all evenly matched. They can't seem to eliminate one another and so they're locked in this 20 year stalemate. What I'm trying to say is, you don't go toe-to-toe with Shanks, Whitebeard (now Blackbeard), and Kaido for decades unless you've got some measure of competency. Going back to the context of the story, consider the timing on Big Mom's crew side. This isn't just a random Monday at the office, this is a HUGE event for Big Mom. One she's obviously been planning for a while and looking forward to greatly. From that perspective, it's easy to see where the kids are coming from. You're all right in that they probably hide stuff from her on a regular to cover their own asses, but that's more justified in-story now than ever, they probably don't want to report a single negative thing given how close the wedding is. From that perspective, you can see how the wedding itself kind of gave the Straw Hats the window they needed to pull off all this shit.
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I want to know where my boy Ceasar Clown is, I know that at a key moment they are gonna see him again. And hes gonna be like oh yea I can blow up this much of the island, or ruin this much of this. Take me with you. Ceasar gonna be the next straw hat boys, believe it.
Only Luffy could make hunger look that dramatic, holy hell. I'm type 1 diabetic and could literally die if I don't eat, but that image hit me with the feels.
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Couple of odd, out of style drawing in this chapter. Nami's face in reaction to the Brook reveal. Luffy's face in the final panel. Just doesn't look like One Piece. Did Oda get a new assistant? I don't like him.
Though on the other hand the spread of Big Mom sleeping was great. That whole scene had me laughing.
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Odd to me that everyone here loves that last panel. Luffy hasn't eaten for, what, 24 hours or less? By he looks like Crocodile just sucked the water out of him. The effects of not eating, even in the world of One Piece, shouldn't be that drastic. He looks like he hasn't eaten in days or a week.
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Solid chapter, however there's one thing I don't like. That is, Brook revealing so openly that he got the Poneglyph writings. Especially with Brulee at others around - this just is stupid. Sure, they cannot do something against it now, but the emphasis lies on NOW, of course.
They should've brought Robin. All she needs to do is read it and they can destroy the etchings.
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Odd to me that everyone here loves that last panel. Luffy hasn't eaten for, what, 24 hours or less? By he looks like Crocodile just sucked the water out of him. The effects of not eating, even in the world of One Piece, shouldn't be that drastic. He looks like he hasn't eaten in days or a week.
It has already been explained a number of times now that Luffy consumes more energy than a normal human being. The way he looks after not eating for close to 24 hours seems just fine for someone like him.
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A real nice chapter… and yes, a good, yet dramatic, final page.
It has already been explained a number of times now that Luffy consumes more energy than a normal human being. The way he looks after not eating for close to 24 hours seems just fine for someone like him.
Especially if he used any kind of "Gear"…. which I think he had to, given the enemies he faced...
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Odd to me that everyone here loves that last panel. Luffy hasn't eaten for, what, 24 hours or less? By he looks like Crocodile just sucked the water out of him. The effects of not eating, even in the world of One Piece, shouldn't be that drastic. He looks like he hasn't eaten in days or a week.
Luffy was already very wounded from the fights on top of not eating anything. In my opinion, that was one great last page.
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What if Bobbin is a homie?:ninja:
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Couple of odd, out of style drawing in this chapter. Nami's face in reaction to the Brook reveal. Luffy's face in the final panel. Just doesn't look like One Piece. Did Oda get a new assistant? I don't like him.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure assistants don't draw characters or faces. Nami's face was specifically exaggerated in that scene for her comedic shock, same for Chopper and Carrot. And Luffy's face is specifically meant to look that different to show just how much toll his hunger has taken on his body; someone else showed earlier that it resembles the face he had when he was starving on the way to Totto Land in the beginning of the arc.
Odd to me that everyone here loves that last panel. Luffy hasn't eaten for, what, 24 hours or less? By he looks like Crocodile just sucked the water out of him. The effects of not eating, even in the world of One Piece, shouldn't be that drastic. He looks like he hasn't eaten in days or a week.
Batroz pointed out Luffy's increased metabolism, though I'd say that it's been about 12 hours since he last ate rather than 24. But even so, pretty much all the biscuits he ate during the Cracker fight were immediately digested thanks to Gear Fourth, and he's spent all this time either fighting, shouting, or trying to pull his arms off. Strenuous activities indeed for a guy who's been hungry since he went on the hunger strike.
They should've brought Robin. All she needs to do is read it and they can destroy the etchings.
Poneglyphs are indestructible you know.
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And Robin would never allow such a thing even if they weren't. Not even if the copies if those are what are actually meant.
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BM having to fight flies during the night seems logical, considering she´s living on a giant pile of sugar^^
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Couple of odd, out of style drawing in this chapter. Nami's face in reaction to the Brook reveal. Luffy's face in the final panel. Just doesn't look like One Piece. Did Oda get a new assistant? I don't like him.
oda draws everything that moves in the chapters..that's why during marineford the chapters were so short,tons of characters to draw..so definitely it's not a new assistant.
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Look, you guys, you've got to remember everything has its context. I've made no secret that I'm a big fan of Big Mom's crew as well as OP's pacing/content ESPECIALLY once they got on Zou. I feel that since the beginning of Zou One Piece has been on a high that it's still on. It's easy to call BM's crew incompetent and this and that, but we have to remember that this is a Yonkou crew that's been active for decades. Remember, the selling point of the Yonkou isn't just that they're the top 4 biggest bad pirates, it's that, for the most part they're all evenly matched. They can't seem to eliminate one another and so they're locked in this 20 year stalemate. What I'm trying to say is, you don't go toe-to-toe with Shanks, Whitebeard (now Blackbeard), and Kaido for decades unless you've got some measure of competency. Going back to the context of the story, consider the timing on Big Mom's crew side. This isn't just a random Monday at the office, this is a HUGE event for Big Mom. One she's obviously been planning for a while and looking forward to greatly. From that perspective, it's easy to see where the kids are coming from. You're all right in that they probably hide stuff from her on a regular to cover their own asses, but that's more justified in-story now than ever, they probably don't want to report a single negative thing given how close the wedding is. From that perspective, you can see how the wedding itself kind of gave the Straw Hats the window they needed to pull off all this shit.
Am I supposed to buy that even the fighters in the crew are doing menial chores in preparation for the wedding in an actual kingdom composed of many islands and many inhabitants living in it?
The context here is that SH are playing on easy mode while using console commands to speed things up.
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Bone-Head: "Höhö , ah yeah"
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Solid chapter, however there's one thing I don't like. That is, Brook revealing so openly that he got the Poneglyph writings. Especially with Brulee at others around - this just is stupid. Sure, they cannot do something against it now, but the emphasis lies on NOW, of course.
He had to show the people who can't read PGs that he copied them so he would receive praise.
And now Pedro has to kill Diesel and Brulee to keep it a secret.
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now that i think about it,now (or at least if they manage to get out of whole cake alive) luffy it's officially the man who's the closest to become the next pirate king, since he has 2 out of 4 road poneglyphs and a person who can read them
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure assistants don't draw characters or faces. Nami's face was specifically exaggerated in that scene for her comedic shock, same for Chopper and Carrot. And Luffy's face is specifically meant to look that different to show just how much toll his hunger has taken on his body; someone else showed earlier that it resembles the face he had when he was starving on the way to Totto Land in the beginning of the arc.
To me, it's Sanji's teary half-smile in the panel right before that felt like it was from a different manga. Luffy and Nami's faces didn't feel any different from Oda's usual.
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Only the Big Mom pirates will know that the SHs have a copy of their poneglyph…no1 else will...and no1 else knows about them having found the mink poneglyph...so no1 who could be a threat could know the SHs have 2/4 of the road PGs
One Piece ,\/,,
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Only the Big Mom pirates will know that the SHs have a copy of their poneglyph…no1 else will...and no1 else knows about them having found the mink poneglyph...so no1 who could be a threat could know the SHs have 2/4 of the road PGs
Weren't they planning to sneak in and do it without BM discovering?
So that she doesn't have more reasons to want to hunt them and threaten with friends' heads or something.
And it's "only" Big Mom pirates if nobody else finds out. Which we can't be certain of. Doesn't seem like much can be kept secret in NW. And there are probably spies everywhere. And chances are EVERYONE will find out SH copied RPG because that's how things usually work out in OP.
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It doesn't count much if word gets out that they have 2 road poneglyphs information or not, the guy that can read it for you is harder to get then the poneglyph. As long as they know about Robin makes them big target. It was foreshadowed in Zou that robin will get in trouble because of this.
What if BB pirates will be after Robin too.
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Am I supposed to buy that even the fighters in the crew are doing menial chores in preparation for the wedding in an actual kingdom composed of many islands and many inhabitants living in it?
The context here is that SH are playing on easy mode while using console commands to speed things up.
lol. who do you think the SHs are dealing with? This isn't just a standard wedding with a standard cake. We're talking about a woman who sent Demon Lady to destroy an entire island for, what was it, eggs? and Bobbin flamethrowered a whole other island for sugar or something? So yeah, I DO believe that the fighters–even the top tier sweet commanders--would be sent out for menial tasks like this. It's -Big Mom- dude. You see how Pekoms was shown to be scared shitless of her back during Punk Hazard? She orders you to do something, you better get it done and get it done right, even if that means you're a top fighter having to raze an entire island to get groceries. You say the SHs are playing on easy mode using console commands but I just don't see it that way. Kidd sunk two BM ships, and Urouge managed to kill a sweet commander and then get chased away from the island with his tail between his legs so hard he had to retreat to a Sky Island to recover. The only reason the SHs are able to do this is because one of their own happens to be the one getting married, and that they have an entire freaking dimension to hide in and move around. IF ANYTHING, the -only- inconsistency I see here is if I was Big Mom, I'd probably have the Mirror World patrolled by chess guards to make sure no one could use Brulee against me.
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Looks like Mama is grabbing onto Prometheus before using Heavenly Fire. Wonder what power she can use when grabbing hold of Zeus.
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Napoleon being a sword is really cool. Although I think I remember Tamiel predicting that. I just hope it has some there ability (hopefully fitting into the weather theme) besides JUST that. I REALLY hope we get a nice wide shoe of Big Mom holding Napoleon like a cutlass with Prometheus and Zeus by her side. It would be even better if Big Mom's bio and bounty was on such a panel.
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The context here is that SH are playing on easy mode while using console commands to speed things up.
I'd missed that comment earlier, but yeah, 16 chars. This is exactly how everything related to the mirror world, Sanji's handcuffs and Big Mom's crew's insistance on casting a blind eye on the whole situation, has felt.
There may have been awesome moments and enjoyable situations all the same, however as far as overcoming challenges goes, everything is served to them on a plate.
