@Buggy:
now I want a skeleton keychain too with an afro lol
Brook has become a keychain.
I have never related to Big Mom more!
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! I actually own this keychain lol.
Chapter 854: What Am I Doing
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Who is the last one of the 3 Sweet Commanders?
Fire is hot, so are ladies. Sorry Sanji lovers, a mera mera no mi lady will join and melt his heart 
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transitional chapter, some small considerations
- how big can that castle be that there are "rumors" instead of reports? seems a little too convenient that the sons don't know about jinbe,nami and luffy escaping, despite them roaming the castle just a couple of minutes before.
Lots of things in the are are getting way too convenient but I understand. How do expect them to steal Polyneglif from a Yonkou stronghold without fighting the Yonkou?
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I know this will cease to be a thing once this arc is over, but Jinbe should demand everyone address him as ''Boss Jinbe'' from here on out. It's got a nice ring to it.
BrookxLinlin continues to be charming. Linlin is so unhinged, and I love it. Everything is an extreme with her, and she shifts from one to the next without it feeling unseemly. Still on board with the Vinsmokes dying horribly! She even gave the male Vinsmokes wenches! What a send off.
Seeing all the Charlotte children together was cool. I wouldn't mind seeing what their stories are. Particularly the long neck swordswoman with the enormous hat, and the guy with the moustache wearing the hat that also has a moustache. Count Chicken is badass, gets caught in an explosion and just goes back to work. The fact that he too has a moustache also helps his cred.
Didn't really care for Sanji kicking Bobbin, but his reaction after he comes to his senses and sees how much he screwed himself made up for it.
Something interesting I forgot. Notice Pudding's reaction to Big Mom in this chapter. Looking somewhat put off by her savage speech. Very similar to the first time we saw her when Big Mom gobbled up a Homie but screamed in terror. What is it about her that causes that reaction? She seems just as mean and blood thirsty but then its like she has to take a step back from the awfulness of her mother. She seems a little more complex than I first thought.
I imagine being in the presence of a homicidal giant would give anyone pause, barring fearless idiots like Luffy of course. Even if she is your mom. I for one hope that Pudding's fear relates to why Lola left. Specifically the detail Linlin points out about Pudding being a "bribe", and therefore not truly free to make her own choices.
@Count:
Also, as random as it sounds, I like Nami's poofy pants. It's a bit refreshing to see her wearing non-skimpy clothes for once. Not that she should't wear what she wants or should be shamed in any way for looking attractive. I just appreciate creative design variety compared to what is typically expected from established patterns.
You too? Seeing her in harem pants complements the strangeness of Totto Land I think. I'm with you in regards to her standard wardrobe being monotonous for a long time. This is a nice change of pace.
āI thought of Godzilla as the embodiment of violence and hatred for mankind, because he was created by atomic energy. He's like a symbol of humanity's complicity in their own destruction. He doesn't have an emotion. He is an emotion.ā ā Jun Fukuda
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@Count:
This isn't really all that notable, but it's pretty endearing to see Jimbei rescue Nami from Big Mom's prison and having the two of them team-up as they're escaping. After all of Arlong's shenanigans, it's great to see character interactions like this that flip standards on their head. Especially after that talk they had in Fishman Island where Nami forgave Jimbei.
@Count:
Same. Hopefully Jimbei and Sanji will also get notable interactions this arc due to them teaming up against Wadatsumi in Fishman Island.
I felt the same.
It not really what BM could be referring too imo, more of the idea if she gets hurt/killed/kidnapped BM loses her way to becoming PK.
Specially after last chapter.
^this. I did not notice any mention of Puddings power going poof if she gets KO'd. It was just that since BM is betting on Pudding's powers being her ace in the hole if plus needing her for this wedding scheme anything happening to Pudding would be a major set back.
Man, does it feel like Oda is rushing through this arc. As folks are saying, things are too straightforward and easy.
Um this was being set up as a short "get back Sanji and give some spotlight to the SHs that left the previous arc early" arc. It was never going to be a 200 chapter game changer.
He wasn't part of her crew though. His nakama spun the wheel, and still had to rip out his own eye to shorten the sentence.
1- Brulee says invaders and loyal pirates so that should apply to Pedro case.
2-Brulee said that the roulette is the death sentence. And says no one leaves which is proven false.
3-The roulette was rolled for Pedro. Big Mom even said so(that his friend rolled the roulette for him)So yes if you roll the roulette you have a high chance of dying but it's not certain. And you certainly can leave since Pedro leave with Big Mom's permission.
Technically Zepo spun the wheel so from what we have seen the people who spin the wheel do die :ninja: Brulee is still right so far.
@Galaxy:
Shanks bled after his arm was bitten off. What a weakling!
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that Seaking was just that strong.
@Count:
Who is stronger between Bobbin and Meadows?
Using Cavendish units, Bobbin's probably 3 Cavendishes and half above Meadows, but only because his charismatic boyoyon sound.
^this checks out trust me. Although Meadows does have a secret power that makes his powerlevel have the illusion of being Kaido levels to people who believe hard enough but if you see through the ruse he isn't all that powerful.
@Count:
A post on part of why Arlong was one of the best villains we ever had
Fun fact people tend to forget: One Piece was actually a lot more "brutal" before Alabasta when Oda toned it back.
You too? Seeing her in harem pants complements the strangeness of Totto Land I think. I'm with you in regards to her standard wardrobe being monotonous for a long time. This is a nice change of pace.
Forgive me if there is some sort of cultural slang I am missing out on but what does this mean?
@Count:Also, as random as it sounds, I like Nami's poofy pants. It's a bit refreshing to see her wearing non-skimpy clothes for once. Not that she should't wear what she wants or should be shamed in any way for looking attractive. I just appreciate creative design variety compared to what is typically expected from established patterns.
I sort of agree, I was getting slightly worried that Nami and Robin were getting flanderized as fanservice. Of course what kind of outfit Nami is drawn with is not necessarily indicative of flanderization, but it does change the pace a little from the pretty-much standard hourglass figure we get a lot off these days.
@Count:
Exactly. And on the subject of repetitive female Straw Hat designs, Robin not getting any hairstyle besides long hair like Nami for her post-timeskip design still freaking bothers me lol. It doesn't help that she never wears her cowgirl hat since Skypiea just because. Just bask in the variety of this concept art:
! https://40.media.tumblr.com/4789a0dbb5713a7731ecdebbf267cdd5/tumblr_nxfxo62u2F1r20q0do5_540.jpg
.I don't have time to talk about it now but this is actually an issue I have had with One Piece recently and have to say I totally love the fact that Oda has been giving Nami a satisfying performance this arc reminding us that she is a good friend of Luffy and part of his crew not just "that hot girl who stands in the background and only gets mentioned to explain how they got to the next island"
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I forgot to fangasm about the best blue goomba in the entire series.
So Jinbei refusing the roulette was literally him not going through with it because didn't wanna die by Big Mom's slickness. He listened to his crew's pleas and regards and is acting on his own wishes!
I know this will cease to be a thing once this arc is over, but Jinbe should demand everyone address him as ''Boss Jinbe'' from here on out. It's got a nice ring to it.
! Usopp and Chopper got the train running, let's keep it going for Boss Jinbei!
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@Count:
Nami's panels on these pages are justā¦ damn.
My top 3 most powerful pages tends to be:
3)Merry burning as everyone is watching.Probably the ship I considered truly special. You saw his construction, the hardships they faced together and there's just something about the little boat from eastblue from eastblue that just seemed fitting with the crew and their little adventures. The thousand might be an excellent ship but it is simply a ship, the bond with the Going Merry was just something special. It still gets minus points for the ship talking(and talking to much) and Zoro not crying.2)The x to say goodbye to Vivi. It is the a sign that she is always, it is a sign of trust due to why they made them and the moment is made more powerful by the fact that they have to be silent. Alabasta is almost a perfect arc and this powerful send-off is one proof of it.
1)Nami finally asking Luffy for help. The build-up is perfect with Nami continuously trying to do it all by herself both during the arc and her flashback and Luffy just patiently waiting for her to ask rather than trying to convince. The moment itself is powerful as Nami who has been doing her best to stay strong finally crumbles and cry and Luffy calmy putting the hat on her head is just as powerful since you know how much this hat mean at this point. The follower-up is just as great as Luffy walk by and the crew is just sitting there waiting for him to give them the signal.
Their are a lot of great moment(Zeff cutting his leg) and #3 is a fair bit behind the other 2. Hell, maybe in another day I might change number 3 or 2. But as far as which deserve the number 1 spot I have no hesitation. Nami's crying just cannot be anywhere else. Everything about it is perfect from context, to the arc, to the moment surrounding it.
Alabasta is my favorite storytelling-wise but when it comes to really telling a personal story and making great use of the feels and personal conflict Arlong Park is just perfect.
Not that I'm arguing it to be the best one, but Chopper's flashback is always the one that gets the most feels out of me though. Which is ironic since he's probably my least favorite Straw Hat.
I never managed to make any emotional connection until maybe the last part with Kureha. And I seriously think the Doc Chopper was living with is an awful individual that luckily didn't scar his kid for life.
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Fire homie getting hurt makes me ask what t he is made of.
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I think an easier way to handle the Sanji situation might have been to find out Sanji's not in his room, then send Bobbin to look for him. Perhaps with the current way Sanji can buy a little more time due to no one else knowing he's out there yet, but otherwise it could have been a bit simpler.
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Forgive me if there is some sort of cultural slang I am missing out on but what does this mean?
What would you like for me to clear up exactly?
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@Tamiel:
- Sanji's first meal cookedā¦going to Luffy. Now just waiting for the double page.
I just caught wind of this! I guess some dreams really do come true after all.
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You too? Seeing her in harem pants complements the strangeness of Totto Land I think. I'm with you in regards to her standard wardrobe being monotonous for a long time. This is a nice change of pace.
Definitely. It makes me wonder all the more how the Straw Hats are going to dress in Wano Country. Especially Nami and Robin.
I felt the same.
Good.
Fun fact people tend to forget: One Piece was actually a lot more "brutal" before Alabasta when Oda toned it back.
That's actually true. Zoro used to kill people lol.
Forgive me if there is some sort of cultural slang I am missing out on but what does this mean?
Harem pants? That's just the term for the type of baggy pants Nami is wearing right now.
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I don't have time to talk about it now but this is actually an issue I have had with One Piece recently and have to say I totally love the fact that Oda has been giving Nami a satisfying performance this arc reminding us that she is a good friend of Luffy and part of his crew not just "that hot girl who stands in the background and only gets mentioned to explain how they got to the next island"
I agree, but I want to see her contribute to saving Sanji and expressing her concern for him in a memorably profound way. All we've had for her on that front is yelling for Sanji to stop beating up Luffy and slapping Sanji. I expect more, especially due to Nami's Arlong Park experiences being similar to Robin and Sanji's pasts catching up with them.
@The:
I forgot to fangasm about the best blue goomba in the entire series.
So Jinbei refusing the roulette was literally him not going through with it because didn't wanna die by Big Mom's slickness. He listened to his crew's pleas and regards and is acting on his own wishes!
! Usopp and Chopper got the train running, let's keep it going for Boss Jinbei!
! http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/one_piece/one_piece_649/one_piece_649_6.jpg?v5You've gotta work on not posting broken images lol.
I never managed to make any emotional connection until maybe the last part with Kureha. And I seriously think the Doc Chopper was living with is an awful individual that luckily didn't scar his kid for life.
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Fire homie getting hurt makes me ask what t he is made of.
That's a great list. I can't disagree with it at all, although Luffy remembering his crew at the end of the timeskip makes me want to consider it to be top three material as well.
I've seen that type of complaint about Hililuk, and I can't really disagree lol. Guy was looney. But despite that, moments like Chopper encountering his herd again and getting beaten to a pulp to get the mushroom for the doc, Hililuk's inherited will speech being my favorite monologue in the series besides Blackbeard talking about dreams never ending in Mock Town, Chopper crying and going berserk when he hears/sees Hililuk's explosion, Kureha criticizing Chopper's belief in a miracle cure, and that freaking arc ending with the sakura-colored snow farewell always gets to me (especially when I hear the two songs below when I watch the anime adaptation).
! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSNāWupdM&index=48LLWqvNJBTT4ISvZ3PtrQk7zQ
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@The:
Sanji was about to pull a Robin and commit (at least, that's what it looked like) suicide just to save his captain, when he never took into account how Luffy would feel if he succeeded in killing himself. He'd be so torn up inside. Brings me back to this page on the Baratie:
! http://www.mangareaders.org/mangas/one_piece/one_piece_59/one_piece_59_15.jpg?v3
Good thing Bro-bbin came when he did and inadvertently reminded Sanji that he still has a captain's bottomless stomach to feed. You've hit your lowest point Sanji, NOW RISE!
Excellent post.
Who could've thought that Sanji was fated to be a weakling in those moments? He can't recall that he has a debt for Zeff & Luffy, and now Sora.
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@Count:
I agree, but I want to see her contribute to saving Sanji and expressing her concern for him in a memorably profound way. All we've had for her on that front is yelling for Sanji to stop beating up Luffy and slapping Sanji. I expect more, especially due to Nami's Arlong Park experiences being similar to Robin and Sanji's pasts catching up with them
Except Nami never went that far and the whole point of her arc(and Robin's to lesser degree) was accepting help from others. When Nami had to hurt someone from the crew(that she knew for a short while and hadn't officially joined) she stabbed her hand. When it happened to Sanji, he beat the leaving hell out of Luffy.
That's a great list. I can't disagree with it at all, although Luffy remembering his crew at the end of the timeskip makes me want to consider it to be top three material as well.
The one where he is counting down his fingers? Totally forgot it and it's a great one although I would probably take the one where he lost everyone at the archipelago. Never has Luffy seems so lost(same with Sanji) and for the first he really experienced crushing defeat.
Ace committing suicide makes any moment related to it less satisfying than it should. Marineford encompass everything wrong in Oda's writing(except not killing). God I hate that arc.
I've seen that type of complaint about Hililuk, and I can't really disagree lol. Guy was looney. But despite that, moments like Chopper encountering his herd again and getting beaten to a pulp to get the mushroom for the doc, Hililuk's inherited will speech being my favorite monologue in the series besides Blackbeard talking about dreams never ending in Mock Town, Chopper crying and going berserk when he hears/sees Hililuk's explosion, Kureha criticizing Chopper's belief in a miracle cure, and that freaking arc ending with the sakura-colored snow farewell always gets to me (especially when I hear the two songs below when I watch the anime adaptation).
As I said I like the ending mostly thanks to Chopper and Kureha selling the hell out of that thing. And as I say I love Kureha relation to Chopper.
I could maybe choke the Doc as a plot point that doesn't work for me rather than active hate if it wasn't for the end. He freaking let Chopper poison him. It would already be awful in normal circumstances but Chopper is a kid inspiring to be a doctor and he knows that. That lifts all my suspension of disbelief about how awful that ex-thief that knock people unconscious so he can experiment on them his.
Everytime I have to comment about why I hate him I check to see if I remember right about him letting Chopper poison him. And everytime it is confirmed.
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@Count:
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http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=40850
You should check out that thread. It's a cool one where people used to tell what they loved and disliked about a character.
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This is why One Piece is tops. I confess to not being completely enamored with Doffy's crew, but the Yonkou should ideally be on another level, and they have done nothing but impress so far. I already loved Blackbeard's and Shanks' (and Whitebeard's) respective crews but Kaidou's definitely hit home. I shuddered seeing Jack's badass introduction, which was menacing and revealed that insane bounty. The rest of his crew seems pretty cool and threatening too.
But Big Mom's looks dope. That Charlotte family table scene was amazing. So many varied crewmembers, we have a shit ton of variety on display here and I'm dying to find out what the deal is with all these guys. We have:
-Moustache guy with moustache hat
-Pointy head lady
-Weird mohawk smoker guy (who may have bat wings?)
-Fat weird looking lady (haven't seen Oda really bust out this kind of character design in a while)
-Backless shirt lady
-Weird jack o lantern/scarecrow guy
-Huge flower looking man boy
-Dude wearing a fedora and a suitWho ARE all these guys? And what can they do? And that's in addition to all the guys we've already seen, who've managed to be incredibly unique and feel like they're on another level threat-wise. I mean, you can see how crews like these would manage to stay top 4 for decades (+Blackbeard).
So hyped, I hope Oda can keep this up.
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Except Nami never went that far and the whole point of her arc(and Robin's to lesser degree) was accepting help from others. When Nami had to hurt someone from the crew(that she knew for a short while and hadn't officially joined) she stabbed her hand. When it happened to Sanji, he beat the leaving hell out of Luffy.
Oh, I'm not complaining at all about Nami's reaction to Sanji during that moment. It was completely justified. It's moreso how that's all we get. Brook gets an epic speech about Sanji against Big Mom, Luffy's screaming and kicking to get Sanji, and all we get from Nami is comedic relief of being upset over Luffy's recklessness. I was hoping for more introspection and hints of devotion to Sanji in some way, but that role's been completely relegated to Luffy while Nami is justā¦ there after Sanji leaves the crew.
The one where he is counting down his fingers? Totally forgot it and it's a great one although I would probably take the one where he lost everyone at the archipelago. Never has Luffy seems so lost(same with Sanji) and for the first he really experienced crushing defeat.
Ace committing suicide makes any moment related to it less satisfying than it should. Marineford encompass everything wrong in Oda's writing(except not killing). God I hate that arc.
Yes, that's what I was talking about.
The arc is certainly loathsome. Besides Blackbeard showing up to troll everybody. That's always beautiful to re-read.
As I said I like the ending mostly thanks to Chopper and Kureha selling the hell out of that thing. And as I say I love Kureha relation to Chopper.
I could maybe choke the Doc as a plot point that doesn't work for me rather than active hate if it wasn't for the end. He freaking let Chopper poison him. It would already be awful in normal circumstances but Chopper is a kid inspiring to be a doctor and he knows that. That lifts all my suspension of disbelief about how awful that ex-thief that knock people unconscious so he can experiment on them his.
Everytime I have to comment about why I hate him I check to see if I remember right about him letting Chopper poison him. And everytime it is confirmed.
It is awful. But after seeing Chopper is such a broken state trying to get that mushroom, I sort of get where Oda was trying to do with Hililuk eating the mushroom to not let Chopper's effort be in vain. Hililuk's terminal illness returned and he was going to die regardless. Not that it makes his actions justified since Chopper is an impressionable young aspiring doctor like you said, but I can still somewhat get into the emotional conflict there. And if my memory is correct, I believe he tried asking Kureha to teach Chopper about medicine (although she obviously refused), so he was still thinking about Chopper learning how to become a good doctor.
The patient experimenting is messed up. That's not worth defending at all, it's pretty perverse and selfish lol.
I also like how when Dr. Hililuk saw that the Isshi 20 was in peak health, instead of being angry over how he was fooled, he actually cried tears of joy from being relieved about them being safe.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Guys, does Luffy have an attack regarding a spear? Because i've just had a revelation, i would love Sanji witnessing a spear attack with G4 to encourage Sanji's trust on his captain after Zeff's words about Luffy.
That would be better than my idea of King Bazooka
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
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@Shobu:
Guys, does Luffy have an attack regarding a spear? Because i've just had a revelation, i would love Sanji witnessing a spear attack with G4 to encourage Sanji's trust on his captain after Zeff's words about Luffy.
That would be better than my idea of King Bazooka
gomu gomu no yari back those days luffy had to be much more creative
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Hey has anyone considered that just maybe Baron Tamago's final chicken form is also the last Sweet Commander?
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@Count:
Oh, I'm not complaining at all about Nami's reaction to Sanji during that moment. It was completely justified. It's moreso how that's all we get. Brook gets an epic speech about Sanji against Big Mom, Luffy's screaming and kicking to get Sanji, and all we get from Nami is comedic relief of being upset over Luffy's recklessness. I was hoping for more introspection and hints of devotion to Sanji in some way, but that role's been completely relegated to Luffy while Nami is justā¦ there after Sanji leaves the crew.
you're right but there is still some chapters to go, she can still have moments like that, but to be honest tho, she was the most worried about the situation back in the Zou arc, and we still see her being very worried about it, i just feel like the current situation doesn't leave that much space for moments like that from Nami, at least not yet
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This, pretty much. Maybe souls see something, maybe minions know something. When you know you'll be rewarded with Big Mom's wrath though, every sane person / creature / thing would know to STFU.
Exactly.
Threaten every Tom, Dick & Harry with a zesty soul leeching and no one is going to tell you shit.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Forgot to say, I'm very very disappointed those were just goggles instead of Bobbin's real eyes. Talk about disappointment! :sad:
If it was noticeable the last time we saw him, I missed it.
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If we go based on what doflamingo's glasses needed to break, 2 rounds of gear 4, bobbin is pretty much over if his goggles are broken from first kick.
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Exactly.
Threaten every Tom, Dick & Harry with a zesty soul leeching and no one is going to tell you shit.
My problem is more that Opera was the only man at that meeting who knew. That's a little too farfetched, considering Opera was knocked out for a while during the escape and thus couldn't really control the situation.
I can buy Big Mom being oblivious about it all, being isolated in her chambers or something, with nobody daring to upset her in any way whatsoever.
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My problem is more that Opera was the only man at that meeting who knew. That's a little too farfetched, considering Opera was knocked out for a while during the escape and thus couldn't really control the situation.
I can buy Big Mom being oblivious about it all, being isolated in her chambers or something, with nobody daring to upset her in any way whatsoever.
I agree. It seems that although they look friendly between each other, there is a lack of trust between the brothers and sisters. Which for a crew is clearly a deadly sins especially in One Piece verse.
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I don't like it how Tamago already confirms Pedro as dead, he already knows Pedro and knows how strong he is, and give him as dead without even seeing his body? If he had really exploded, his body parts should be everywhere, Tamago should be smarter than that.
Also, all the ministers should know that Luffy and Nami escaped the book prison, since they were being called to stop Luffy previous chapter.
"For nothing but a drop of waterā¦ We take an innocent life! What horrible times!"
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@The:
I just caught wind of this! I guess some dreams really do come true after all.
I would have loved if Sanji grabbed a knife and started cooking with Diable Jambe the environment of the promised place (it is food after all), but this development is nice as well. It is a more subtle approach. I just could not imagine with the strong relationship between Luffy and Sanji, and the stronger it will get after all of this, that Luffy would be left to starve until the end of Whole Cake Island, or that Sanji's cooking would go to someone else considering his ex-captain is hungry. Although him intending to do so would have been more impactful, making it a subconcious element makes for a much clearer exposition of Sanji's trouble state of mind.
Is Sanji going to the prisoner's library first? Will he meet with the rest of the crew before going to see Luffy? Given that it is most likely the start of the plan on how to crash the wedding, this could go onto different paths before the reunion. (OH NO THE DRAGGINGā¦jajajalulu)
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You know they are going to make keychains out of Brook now. I mean they probably already have, but I mean in his current state lookwise, lol.
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Forgot to say, I'm very very disappointed those were just goggles instead of Bobbin's real eyes. Talk about disappointment! :sad:
If it was noticeable the last time we saw him, I missed it.
It was surprising to see for me as well. But upon closer inspection of his first appearance, his eyes look a bit too flat and think to be natural. You can see outlines below the outlines of his eyes just barely.
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What would you like for me to clear up exactly?
Count Mario already did. with this post:
@Count:Harem pants? That's just the term for the type of baggy pants Nami is wearing right now.
I was not aware that that is an actual term. I have only heard of them refered to as "Salvar" or if people are talking about Stanley Burrell I guess you can call them "Hammer pants"
looks like reading Rubber Pirate comics has indirectly made me learn strange new terms for pants.
@Count:
That's actually true. Zoro used to kill people lol.
It is kinda funny when I am used to the Zoro who goes easy on people and lets them survive to reread the part where he casually mentions he killed Mr 7 with a smirk.
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@RickM.:
I don't like it how Tamago already confirms Pedro as dead, he already knows Pedro and knows how strong he is, and give him as dead without even seeing his body? If he had really exploded, his body parts should be everywhere, Tamago should be smarter than that.
There was no way he would know another way of completely disappearing since the Mirror World wasn't a guess.
Also, all the ministers should know that Luffy and Nami escaped the book prison, since they were being called to stop Luffy previous chapter.
Theyā¦weren't, actually, Only Smoothie was.
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My problem is more that Opera was the only man at that meeting who knew. That's a little too farfetched, considering Opera was knocked out for a while during the escape and thus couldn't really control the situation.
Considering how large Whole Cake Island seems to be, I'm not really surprised by Opera being the only one who knew about that situation.
I can buy Big Mom being oblivious about it all, being isolated in her chambers or something, with nobody daring to upset her in any way whatsoever.
She seems to be in fairly constant contact with her subordinates though, the real problem is like I said, no one wants to tell a psychotic giant soul sucker anything that might upset her.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Not much to say about this chapter other than that it's great to see Sanji giving that dude a kick in the head for messing with that food.
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There was no way he would know another way of completely disappearing since the Mirror World wasn't a guess.
In a world filled with magic fruits, haki, and what not, keeping an open mind seems like a must-have for anybody.
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@RickM.:
I don't like it how Tamago already confirms Pedro as dead, he already knows Pedro and knows how strong he is, and give him as dead without even seeing his body? If he had really exploded, his body parts should be everywhere, Tamago should be smarter than that.
The guy set off a fuck ton of dynamite and then was gone after the explosion, I can't really blame Tamago for coming to that conclusion.
Especially since he fought Pedro in the past and knows he isn't capable of anything like Mirror World.
If anything, knowing Pedro from the past has actually brought him to the exact opposite conclusion.
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In a world filled with magic fruits, haki, and what not, keeping an open mind seems like a must-have for anybody.
I refer to my previous reply to RickM.
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Considering how large Whole Cake Island seems to be, I'm not really surprised by Opera being the only one who knew about that situation.
Maybe if he was the only one who was in the actual castle, but he wasn't. We also saw text clouds calling "minister class backup" over the phones to help stop Strawhat.
There's a point after which plot convenience becomes ridiculous and Oda crossed it with this chapter. No idea why he couldn't have made Luffy's escape more stealthier. Jinbe could have knocked Opera and they could have escaped without causing a ruckus and alerting a shitload of guards. Opera managing to keep it a secret would actually be believable in that case. It's like the story is being written from chapter to chapter or being changed to meet deadlines. It's not just the Opera thing, but also Eggplant doing one thing that would make the guard believe it was Sanji sleeping.
Off note, didn't Zeff call Sanji "little eggplant" when he was a kid? That almost makes the event redeemable.
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@Count:
It was surprising to see for me as well. But upon closer inspection of his first appearance, his eyes look a bit too flat and think to be natural. You can see outlines below the outlines of his eyes just barely.
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There's no way it could have been guessed at that time. Not in a weird body parts galore that is One Piece. Those outlines might have been eye outline under mask.
In any case, he looked a lot better with his cute shark eyes. Look how cute he is goddamit!
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I never seen anything but googles on Bobbin face/mask. Never seen it as eyes.. oh well.. I must be weird then heh
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Nope, I'm with you.
I always saw goggles on his face. -
I never understood what he really was supposed to be
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@The:
Well, whether which one saw it coming or not, Sanji was still able to kick both of them. He also made sure his kicks would hurt. A lot.
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Chopper, Robin and Brook's always manages to break me. Just like Luffy said when he was a kid, "Being alone is worse than pain!".
Franky's always gets me because he himself acting without thinking caused tom to die, hiriluk would have died anyways and took his own life anyways but franky has such guilt for the incident that it struck je as just as good as nami/chopper/robin
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Also Count have you been more understanding lately of the idea of Big Mom being more of a schemer who can appreciate her enemies strong suits than some master manipulator...I was a little disappointed as well at first but the first things we seen of her were crazy tue fact that she could flip out of a whim and break/make oaths is probably the only thing that'll help the strawhats out, if she were vicious with no other benefits, theyd have to beat her to live...
I dont think she's as underhanded as blackbeard but merely an ambitious eccentric schemer who uses her family to further her goals and that characterization isnt too one note for me to not find enjoyable
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@Count:
Oh, I'm not complaining at all about Nami's reaction to Sanji during that moment. It was completely justified. It's moreso how that's all we get. Brook gets an epic speech about Sanji against Big Mom, Luffy's screaming and kicking to get Sanji, and all we get from Nami is comedic relief of being upset over Luffy's recklessness. I was hoping for more introspection and hints of devotion to Sanji in some way, but that role's been completely relegated to Luffy while Nami is justā¦ there after Sanji leaves the crew.
Yes, that's what I was talking about.
The arc is certainly loathsome. Besides Blackbeard showing up to troll everybody. That's always beautiful to re-read.
It is awful. But after seeing Chopper is such a broken state trying to get that mushroom, I sort of get where Oda was trying to do with Hililuk eating the mushroom to not let Chopper's effort be in vain. Hililuk's terminal illness returned and he was going to die regardless. Not that it makes his actions justified since Chopper is an impressionable young aspiring doctor like you said, but I can still somewhat get into the emotional conflict there. And if my memory is correct, I believe he tried asking Kureha to teach Chopper about medicine (although she obviously refused), so he was still thinking about Chopper learning how to become a good doctor.
The patient experimenting is messed up. That's not worth defending at all, it's pretty perverse and selfish lol.
I also like how when Dr. Hililuk saw that the Isshi 20 was in peak health, instead of being angry over how he was fooled, he actually cried tears of joy from being relieved about them being safe.
What dont you like about marineford compared to other arcs? How do you think it could have been improved?
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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@Count:
Oh, I'm not complaining at all about Nami's reaction to Sanji during that moment. It was completely justified. It's moreso how that's all we get. Brook gets an epic speech about Sanji against Big Mom, Luffy's screaming and kicking to get Sanji, and all we get from Nami is comedic relief of being upset over Luffy's recklessness. I was hoping for more introspection and hints of devotion to Sanji in some way, but that role's been completely relegated to Luffy while Nami is justā¦ there after Sanji leaves the crew.
I think she more than prove that she was concerned back in Zou. But if anything her personal story is what make her harsh on him now seeing how he is reacting when they are proposing him help.
The arc is certainly loathsome. Besides Blackbeard showing up to troll everybody. That's always beautiful to re-read.
You mean the part where suddenly you can get 2 fruits and Blackbeard is destroying stuff for shit nd giggles. Not a fan.
Only good thing in the arc was Whitebeard except his death.
It is awful. But after seeing Chopper is such a broken state trying to get that mushroom, I sort of get where Oda was trying to do with Hililuk eating the mushroom to not let Chopper's effort be in vain. Hililuk's terminal illness returned and he was going to die regardless. Not that it makes his actions justified since Chopper is an impressionable young aspiring doctor like you said, but I can still somewhat get into the emotional conflict there. And if my memory is correct, I believe he tried asking Kureha to teach Chopper about medicine (although she obviously refused), so he was still thinking about Chopper learning how to become a good doctor.
And that's the worst part. He knew exactly how important it was to Chopper to save people and let him poison the only person that had accepted him at that time. You don't have your kidd stab your heart because you gonna die of lung cancer anyway.
I also like how when Dr. Hililuk saw that the Isshi 20 was in peak health, instead of being angry over how he was fooled, he actually cried tears of joy from being relieved about them being safe.
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And everyone knows that the devil is the one who lived their so no wonder that such devilish character was full of good intentions.
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I think she more than prove that she was concerned back in Zou. But if anything her personal story is what make her harsh on him now seeing how he is reacting when they are proposing him help.
If that was the case, then Oda should have had her doubt Sanji's facade (which is what Luffy did) or had a quick Arlong Park flashback panel or two (Jimbei even referenced how he and Luffy first met in a prison when Luffy and Nami got rescued from the book). But right after shedding a few tears at the end of Chapter 844, she just completely gets over Sanji while Luffy is the only one to be obsessed with him. Not that Nami shouldn't disagree with how Luffy executes his feelings, but it's disappointing to not see more from Nami when even Brook, the latest Straw Hat, can give an epic speech. But all is redeemed if Nami somehow saves Sanji at the wedding like he did for her at Thriller Bark.
You mean the part where suddenly you can get 2 fruits and Blackbeard is destroying stuff for shit nd giggles. Not a fan.
Only good thing in the arc was Whitebeard except his death.
That's too bad.And that's the worst part. He knew exactly how important it was to Chopper to save people and let him poison the only person that had accepted him at that time. You don't have your kidd stab your heart because you gonna die of lung cancer anyway.
That's very true. But it doesn't change how moving it was to see Chopper put his life on the line to save his adoptive father. I don't advocate what Hililuk did, but I get the mindset behind it and still get invested in it. I suppose it's a guilty pleasure.They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And everyone knows that the devil is the one who lived their so no wonder that such devilish character was full of good intentions.
Still makes for one very emotion churning death for me in the context of that scene alone.
Also Count have you been more understanding lately of the idea of Big Mom being more of a schemer who can appreciate her enemies strong suits than some master manipulatorā¦
Um, I never called her a master manipulator lol. In fact, my definition of her character was exactly the former. Just add kooky businesswoman with ethically grey principles to it. If anything, NOW she's a master manipulator with how deceitful she's acting.
I was a little disappointed as well at first but the first things we seen of her were crazy tue fact that she could flip out of a whim and break/make oaths is probably the only thing that'll help the strawhats out, if she were vicious with no other benefits, theyd have to beat her to liveā¦
I dont think she's as underhanded as blackbeard but merely an ambitious eccentric schemer who uses her family to further her goals and that characterization isnt too one note for me to not find enjoyable
Anyways, I'm still cool with Big Mom. It's a disappointing twist, but not really out-of-character that much at all. I just wish Oda kept up the execution from before the Pudding reveal with how charismatically unique it was. And that's one major reason why I don't think the Straw Hats will (or even can) beat her to survive or will escape during the wedding.
What dont you like about marineford compared to other arcs? How do you think it could have been improved?
I really don't want to talk about Marineford lol. But basically, Ace was a prideful idiot (not that it was out-of-character for him to do what he did) and it was too generically action-heavy without any payoff. Only teases, which is expected because it's not the final saga of the series, where we can expect those battles to get proper conclusions. The reasons why it's dislikable besides Ace are similar to why Enies Lobby gets criticized (specifically after Robin declares she wants to live, where the fights become the sole focus for dozens of consecutive chapters). It's still better paced than Dressrosa's third act due to Water 7 supporting it, but still.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I would have loved if Sanji grabbed a knife and started cooking with Diable Jambe the environment of the promised place (it is food after all), but this development is nice as well. It is a more subtle approach. I just could not imagine with the strong relationship between Luffy and Sanji, and the stronger it will get after all of this, that Luffy would be left to starve until the end of Whole Cake Island, or that Sanji's cooking would go to someone else considering his ex-captain is hungry. Although him intending to do so would have been more impactful, making it a subconcious element makes for a much clearer exposition of Sanji's trouble state of mind.
Is Sanji going to the prisoner's library first? Will he meet with the rest of the crew before going to see Luffy? Given that it is most likely the start of the plan on how to crash the wedding, this could go onto different paths before the reunion. (OH NO THE DRAGGINGā¦jajajalulu)
I'll agree to that. I don't think Sanji's gonna show up at the book prison since only charred remains of books (and maybe guards) is there. At that point, it would turn into a wild goose chase. Maybe while Sanji is on his way to Luffy, he'll meet up with Bropper and co. and Curly Brows will give the location of his captain's "promised place".
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I personally liked Marineford precisely because of the huge fight being a break from its normal story conventions. Plus, it differed significantly in a good way from typical huge battle arcs in other series like, say, Naruto and Bleach, whose final wars devolved into a ton of 1v1 battles that each had something different to address, some of which caused the arcs' focus to stray significantly more than they should have. While in Marineford, the various fights still had the baggage and perspective each character brought with them, but the bigger picture was always in mind as it always ended up circling back to trying to save Ace or interacting with Whitebeard in some way. Plus it more resembled an actual war in that there were never any long individual battles that made Marineford into a simple dueling arena, as the conflicts simply came about as a result of the characters' larger goals. Plus there were a ton of large-scale moves made against the entire other side throughout the whole arc, rather than just at the end when the main baddy comes into play, including Whitebeard slowly destroying the entire island, the Admirals making moves to strategically trap the Whitebeard Pirates, the Marines actually being smart and actually trying to kill Ace in the middle of the chaos, all that jazz.
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@Kaido:
I personally liked Marineford precisely because of the huge fight being a break from its normal story conventions.
I always love it when One Piece breaks from its normal story conventions. Just not when it solely decides to focus on action, and just a bunch of brief teases without any engaging results or suspense outside of Akainu chasing Luffy and Blackbeard in general. At least Enies Lobby had compelling payoff, humor, emotional moments, and feats that actually matter like Usopp sniping Spandam rather than just some generic giant slash or attack that everybody gawks at. There was a bit of perspective here and there like with Doffy's speech, but the only baggage I legitimately felt towards any of the fights in Marineford were the Coby scenes (like getting knocked out in one punch by Luffy and regretting how weak he still was in comparison, as well as begging Akainu to stop fighting due to all of the senseless casualties being produced after both Ace and Newgate died). As well as Garp's fight with Luffy. Everybody else's fights just looked pretentiously cool, stagnant, and repetitive for the sake of the war ambiance without any real depth or payoff. And that's because there's no way you can get either of those things at this point of the story rather than the Final War, where we can actually see some of these big names get taken down after getting to properly know them and their fighting potential/limitations. None of the fights before Ace's death give me more of an impression than "Oh, that's cool to see" because there's nothing that deep or cathartic about them at all, which is why One Piece's fights are hook us in so much compared other flawed action-junky shonen.
And I'm also not the biggest fan of Zou (not that it's a bad arc AT ALL, especially during the "We Lied to Protect Raizou" reveal) because it has the exact opposite problem of only featuring exposition and flashbacks meant to build-up future arcs. Even in terms of locale immersion, which Oda is typically superb at, Zou as an island loses it luster after the first five minutes of seeing an awesome giant elephant walking at sea due to just being forest-y ruins with Namek trees. And I find the way the Road Poneglyphs were introduced out of nowhere with the Straw Hats just happening to find the first one when Zou was originally just supposed to be a quick pit stop still feels like awkward narrative pacing to me.
If there were unconventional arcs that had the perfect balance of satisfying suspense, worldbuilding, character interaction, fighting, twists, internal/ideological conflict, and inspirational themes, they're Jaya, Sabaody Archipelago, and Impel Down.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Kaido:
I personally liked Marineford precisely because of the huge fight being a break from its normal story conventions. Plus, it differed significantly in a good way from typical huge battle arcs in other series like, say, Naruto and Bleach, whose final wars devolved into a ton of 1v1 battles that each had something different to address, some of which caused the arcs' focus to stray significantly more than they should have. While in Marineford, the various fights still had the baggage and perspective each character brought with them, but the bigger picture was always in mind as it always ended up circling back to trying to save Ace or interacting with Whitebeard in some way. Plus it more resembled an actual war in that there were never any long individual battles that made Marineford into a simple dueling arena, as the conflicts simply came about as a result of the characters' larger goals. Plus there were a ton of large-scale moves made against the entire other side throughout the whole arc, rather than just at the end when the main baddy comes into play, including Whitebeard slowly destroying the entire island, the Admirals making moves to strategically trap the Whitebeard Pirates, the Marines actually being smart and actually trying to kill Ace in the middle of the chaos, all that jazz.
I pretty much agree with this. The pandemonium was enjoyable to witness, Papa Whitebeard in general, and the race to save Ace kept me on my toes constantly. My only dislike in the arc was Ace and his death through pride (yeah I know, it was 100% in character, but I still hated it). His death didn't break me, but moreso Luffy's breakdown. It's never fun to see Luffy's sadnessā¦
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You mean the part where suddenly you can get 2 fruits and Blackbeard is destroying stuff for shit nd giggles. Not a fan.
Only good thing in the arc was Whitebeard except his death.
And that's the worst part. He knew exactly how important it was to Chopper to save people and let him poison the only person that had accepted him at that time. You don't have your kidd stab your heart because you gonna die of lung cancer anyway.
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And everyone knows that the devil is the one who lived their so no wonder that such devilish character was full of good intentions.
So you find story craftsmanship to be negative?
This is not like DragonBall where Toriyama was just making stuff up as he went, so you have the old tale of the legendary super saiyan one arc and the next arc opens literally with "Goku is not the only super saiyan".Blackbeard has two devil fruits because he his the final villain. Oda made the sure the audience knew no one could eat two devil fruits' and survive because he wanted everybody, characters and readers, to shit their pants at the same time when that moment happend.
The destruction that followed served to help the character escape the war and to confirm to everyone, reader and characters, that yes, Blackbeard has two devil fruits, no one knows how and it's really terrifying.(But I do agree that Whitebeard was the best part of that arc)
And don't compare what Hiruluk did to letting your kid stab your heart as euthanasia.
Hiruluk ate the soup so that Chopper's effort wouldn't have been in vain. Chopper broke himself over to try and save Hiruluk and when he saw that, he couldn't say "Your effort meant nothing" so he ate the damn soup and made sure to die of some other reason that's not his illness. He could have said right away "Well, you done goofed Chopper. The skull and cross bones actually means death and that would only kill me faster" but that would have broken a child's heart and dreams right there. He could have pretended to eat the soup and died from the illness later.
But he choose to eat, so now Chopper did the absolute best thing he could have done and the blame was intirely on the quack doctor that choose to die when he was already cured. And Chopper would get mad and would let go of him a bit and would try to find a better family.Hiruluk was a pirate and did what he damn pleased, without much though to anything besides the imediate future, but he loved his kid with all he had.
This is a series about pirates, never in the history of the world has "pirate" meant a good thing.
Pirate role models are never going to end up well. They are not meant to be good or perfect, only loving.
