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Also Gohan looks dumb wearing glasses in his Gi
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Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
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I still don't understand why they';re doing this in CG. They're trying VERY HARD to make it look 2D animated but that just makes it even more pointless and like a video game cut scene.
Are there going to be some truly crazy impossible to animate shots making use of it? Or is it just… because? Not a fan.
I mean, it's pretty decent looking CG but its never going to look as strong as hand drawn when doing a very exaggerated hand drawn style.
Because while Gohan's mystic form is awesome as all getout and is really great for the hardcore fans, it's not as iconic or visually signified as the hair turning blonde for the majority casual fans. It's great for US to go "yeah he's just alwys at full power, that's where his training took him" but for anyone else they'd just be asking "why isn't he turning super?"
Or the staff just forgot about that again like they originally did in Battle of Gods and had to recolor it after the original trailer.
The studio has no available staff and producers want to reach the CG animation market because of how popular it is globally. They also likely want to push the industry towards cheaper and easier to produce CG so that it can replace hand drawn animation since it would–in the long run--mean less labor.
Basically, executives are greedy fuckers and while the actual staff of the movie might be artists they have little control of the film.
I do hope that we get fight scenes as good as the CG
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The studio has no available staff and producers want to reach the CG animation market because of how popular it is globally.
But they're still making it look like 2D and Toriyama's stuff is so stylized it always looks weird in 3D unless they just really cheat the faces (see also Dragon Quest)… so what's the point?
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But they're still making it look like 2D and Toriyama's stuff is so stylized it always looks weird in 3D unless they just really cheat the faces (see also Dragon Quest)… so what's the point?
Well, like I said, they don't have staff on hand, they wanted a movie as soon as possible and they wanted to advance their 3DCG capabilities. I legitimately don't think someone who cares about creating art (Hayashida? Someone above him?) made the decision to make this a 3DCG film.
I'd have preferred that they just wait to have available animators on hand myself but apparently that's not going to happen with the amount of resources they're pouring into One Piece, PreCure, World Trigger and Dai no Dai-Bouken. Sucks, but at least we might get some cool CG directing out of this film and an eventual remake for the TV series.
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If they can make it look like DBZ: Kakarot animations, I don't mind. Such an eye candy. The trailer does not look as polished, though.
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Dragon Ball (dub and sub), Dragon Ball Z (dub), and Dragon Ball GT (dub and sub) are now on crunchyroll.
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If they can make it look like DBZ: Kakarot animations, I don't mind. Such an eye candy. The trailer does not look as polished, though.
Yeah I still Marvel at how amazing the Ginyu Force’s arrival looked in the game….and then how underwhelming things like Frieza’s transformations look d by comparison.
Dragon Ball (dub and sub)
All episodes?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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All episodes?
Yep, all 153 episodes of the original Dragon Ball are both dub and sub on crunchyroll. I just finished watching the first couple episodes sub on crunchyroll.
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Now I can finished what I started all those years ago via NyaaTorrents:ninja:
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Yeah I still Marvel at how amazing the Ginyu Force’s arrival looked in the game….and then how underwhelming things like Frieza’s transformations look d by comparison.
Some weird direction decisions, definitely. That Ginyu Force arrival, though.
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The Bardock subplot is the worst element of this arc.
I like Granolah. I like the Heeters. I found Goku to be a lot of fun in this newest chapter.
But anything involving new Bardock has zero emotional impact for me.
Minus was so easy to ignore because it was a punch line with throwaway characters for an entirely different manga – Jaco the Galactic Patrolman.
But if you play it straight, it has zero emotional weight to it. It's pretty clear the story can now actually give an arc to Goku about not overdoing it with his martial arts because he remembered his parents being nice to him and I've been pretty indifferent about Minus, but now that the story tries so hard to paint it as powerful and impactful, I'm much more negative on it.
Goku's parents being nice and his mission not actually being to destroy Earth just isn't that interesting. The the old contrast is so much more narratively interesting even if I have issues with that Special, too.
I've been okay with it because there are so many possible details to it: Raditz was still pretty horrible, technically all Saiyan babies sent away were meant to conquer a the planet they were sent to and we still see Bardock be a warrior, but that's not the framing and focus.
The intention of the story is so crystal clear now and to me that's just boring.
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Even through I have it on dvd, I been rewatching Dragon Ball on crunchyroll. This is pretty much, the first time that I'm watching the Japanese version of the original series (I have seen most of Z in Japanese (Up to the middle of the Cell arc.).). As much I like the dub for the original Dragon Ball, I'm enjoying the Japanese version as well. Currently, I just got to the beginning portion of the Red Ribbon Army saga (My favorite storyline of the series).
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https://www.mangasail.co/content/dragon-ball-super-84
Probably the first DBS chapter I've enjoyed in a while. Touching on Gokus past, the reason why they fight and more importantly removing all of the complex mechanics of the story and just boiling it down to raw fighting. All in all a rather good chapter.
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I've straight-up hated this arc for the last few chapters.
Since the entire subplot with Bardock became the focus, this arc has been an absolute bore for me.
Bardock's relevance and the attempt to make me care for him really hard doesn't work for me because the fundamental ideas behind his character are done in the most uninteresting way possible.
Goku's supposed character arc about accepting who he is was done much better 30 years ago with a single line.
And it's all pushing Bardock really hard and as I said trying to make me care really, really hard.
I defended the end of the ToP arc and Moro and the first leg of this arc, but this is just back to the manga just being awful.
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The japanese version of Dragon Ball Z is now up on crunchyroll. Also it's the Dragon Box footage.
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@Md-Martin said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
@Sano Dragon Box audio as well?
Yep, I checked a couple episodes the other day. I checked episodes 67 and 68 (Goku vs. Burter and Jeice fight).
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Yeah, I agree with you on that point.
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That's great that there's finally a decent version of DB available legitimately.
It's quite frustrating that the best versions of DB/Z/GT are only available from fans, but this closes the gap quite a bit.
Wish Toei would use the broadcast audio.
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This came out while the forum was down.
Man, I wish the modern super forms were anything like this instead of just hair color swaps.
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Funny you just mentioned color swaps...
There's a spoiler about the new chapter running around that I had to check to see if it was trolling. It's real.
Just. . .c'mon.
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100 push ups, 100 sit ups, and plenty of milk.
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I saw that spoiler on Twitter and actually thought it was just a weird translation from earlier in the series.
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There's no point expecting anything good from Toyotaro lol
At least the anime is good, I watched Super Hero this evening and thought it was a lot of fun. Though it too is lazy with power boosts.
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Is the manga worth reading? For Dragon Ball Super?
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Nah, it comes off as terrible fan fic.
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The manga has more brutal fights than the anime, which is incredibly toothless to my taste. Some choreography is pretty decent, even though Toyotaro is not a particularly gifted artist (the way bodies move in the Super manga can even be off-putting at times). Gohan + Piccolo vs that android guy comes to mind as some pretty fun fight design. I thought the Zamasu fights are much better in the manga too.
It also brings Yamcha back to the action for a total of like 4 panels, where he kicks a couple of goons around, who then say "but wait, aren't you like super weak?", which prompts Yamcha to break the 4th wall and literally tell the audience "yeah, memes and haha and everything but you do actualy know that I'm kind of strong, right? yeah? good, peace out!", and leaves the manga again.
So, yeah, it has positives.
It's also monumentally repetitive, has some borderline insane plot choices (and not always in a good way), fights last for what feels like a thousand years each and, just like the anime, every and all power ups = new color palette. And there's some continuity rewriting here and there that has been pretty controversial but which, honestly, didn't bother me THAT much.
I'd say give it a shot? Just be warned that, yeah, it might test your patience with all the "seems the fight is done, oh, wait, he "wasn't fighting at full power", nevermind".
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If you really, REALLY need a Dragonball fix.
But it's basically recreating old arcs and villains beat for beat and not really giving anything new in terms of character stuff or fights you haven't seen before or interesting and fresh new character designs.
Moro was kind of interesting for a hot minute but then he just turned into Piccollo Sr.
The current arc had potential until it turned into a Bardock wankfest. It seemed for a moment like it might swerve in interesting ways but its just super duper predictable now.
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I've gone on the record as saying that Super has merit, and I do find that it tries some new things - at the very least it's moved away from fights being endless beam/powerlevel escalations and is deploying more varied moveset and strategies, which is very refreshing. If it has some downsides it's that its very much the Goku/Vegeta show, much more than ever before, and that it often walks back some of the more interesting ideas that its pursuing. Like how the latest arc raises questions about the accountability of Sayans for their past genocidin' actions, but then seemingly abandons it and goes "nah, don't feel bad or apologize for your genocidin' heritage"
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The Dragon Ball Super cartoon series has an atrocious production schedule, difficult to animate designs and a small number of animators and directors, so it essentially never had time to produce particularly good fights. My favorite battle strategy didn't even require good animation, though, so that was a relief. In Episode #123 there's a cool scene where Gokuu nearly knocking Jiren out of the ring that is super reminiscent of what writer Tomioka Atsuhiro would do on the episodes of Pokemon that he worked for. Definitely makes me hope that Tomioka is involved in writing for the next Dragon Ball animated series.
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I saw Dragon Ball Super Super Hero the other day and I really enjoyed it. I appreciate that Picollo was the main character and that most of the fights were actual martial arts battles as opposed to throwing energy blasts back forth (although that does still happen in some fights).
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Gohan was included in the movie at the behest of Shueisha's Iyoku Akio, the guy in charge of the Dragon Ball Room (the group within Shueisha that oversees the franchise). Toriyama originally just wanted to focus on Piccolo. You can really tell in the film.
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toriyama doesn't care about gohan, wow that's so shocking
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Piccolo and Gohan are my fave db characters so I was quite happy with them being front and centre.
If the rumoured new series of Super happens I hope they don't waste a bunch of episodes serialising Broly and Super Hero. But I suspect they will.
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Supposedly they won't. I heard from some people in Japan that the plan is to start with Moro and cover Moro, Granolah and whatever the next arc is. Of course that's all just rumours atm
My quesiton though, is where does Super Hero take place in the timeline? From the movie itself, it sounds like it takes place before the Granolah arc at least. But, did Goten and Trunks appear in the Moro arc? I don't remember but if they did in the anime they would need their new appearances from the movie and not the old one.
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I do hope that they remake these two movies as story arcs. I'd love to see the full version of Broli animated and also see Super Hero done by hand.
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I have some nitpicky complaints (ugly transformations, not a single Great Saiyaman mention?) but overall Super Hero was a vast improvement over Broly.
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Gohan Blaco happened to canonize the memes.
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Just got back from seeing DB Super Hero
@Darkstorm said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Piccolo and Gohan are my fave db characters so I was quite happy with them being front and centre.
Same here. And, although this movie had some issues, I still really had a good time with it.
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@Nobodyman said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Because that's Toriyama's personal favorite. I don't get it, but it is.
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@TLC said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Toriyama had to be begged to include him in the film in the first place so I'm not really surprised. Consider Hedo and the Gammas I think the theme of 'superhero' is more than included.
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Can someone explain to me why Toriyama hates Gohan so much? lol
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@TLC said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Can someone explain to me why Toriyama hates Gohan so much? lol
He's just not interested in him, of course that also has to do with his own rigid characterization of his characters. Making Gohan prioritize his work in the film over Pan certainly feels like Toriyama trying to make Gohan less 'good' in a really weird and cheap way, though.
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Goku stayed on another planet rather then see his kid so I don't think Toriyama thinks that deeply about parenting.
Piccolo still best dad
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Toriyama hasn't had the slightest clue what to do with Gohan since the Great Saiyaman stuff.
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i went into the movie with extremely low expectations with the cgi and came out impressed. although the animation will never be like the original 13 movies or like broly super, it held up to its own standard and i enjoyed the fight scenes...even if it felt like cell games/imperfect cell games on steroids.
