Hold up; they came from another realm before settling on Namek and a few other worlds? Are Namekians legit demons then?
I mean if we're being technical wasn't Piccolo's father essentially a demon, not in the traditional sense of course.
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Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
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I think it would be pretty cool if it all came full circle and Namekians turned out to be from the demon realm.
I always thought this or something similar to this was the case, that the old lore could still be incorporated.
I also thought Saiyans might've first originated from there or their ancestors came from there. I like the magic and fantasy stuff of DB better, I guess.
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I'd say in d&d terms, extraplanar. How many demons do we actually have in dragon ball? Like Majin Buu? Dabura was the devil and the king of hell, close enough, the hell onis are filler. Some of the old Baba assistants were demons? (vampire, mummy, invisible man, and.. of course Akuman). Meh, trying to connect lore like that in a toriyama manga is worthless.
Under common definitions of demons, namekians are close enough without the destructive impulses.
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DB is a top 5 manga. All that trash post Buu Saga doesn't exist.
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Yeah, can kind of tell Toriyama has taken over full blown writing and probably doign the initial layouts now, not just the corrections
Broad suggestions through the tournament, and heavy editorial during the last saga, but the story is decidedly a lot stronger and denser these last couple chapters. (And I feel like thequality of the backgrounds has gone up a notch too.. did they add another assistant?) Like the actual differences in writing and combat scenes are massive. Those aren't the improvements any creator just magically makes in a month or two, Toriyama is doing a lot more heavy lifting than he was now.
@me:
Back when it seemed like Beerus might actually be a serious deal at some point, I thought maybe Vegeta would find out HE was the one that order Frieza to blow up his planet and then they'd have to have it out, ending with vegeta becoming the new god of destruction…. but actually that really doesnt suit him anymore.
….. huh.
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So, I guess I ranted pretty hard last time, right? Yeah. It seems so. What? I was drunk? That's not true! Who said that?
Anyways, I stand by the frustration I felt that day, even if I was, indeed, kind of tipsy. Still, I seem to recall I wanted to be wrong about the direction of the new arc, and so far I've been indeed proven wrong: Granola, at least so far, is interesting. The lore and world (or multi-verse, in this case)building so far, is also interesting. The world and story are expanding in a way that I find is surprising.
It's the super small stuff that I liked - Granola going grocery shopping. It seems like minute detail, but that alone is building character in a way a DB villain has never goten before. We learn a lot about the caracter just by him interacting in a mundane setting - he's kinda nice, but silent and kept to himself, he does not want to unnecessarily harm others, does not hate the new inhabitants of the planet that was his home and cares deeply for his old man. Still, he's not a goody two shoes, and will indeed break promises and resort to crime for his personal vendetta, and at some point he will probably snap if given the chance. This is way more potential for good stuff than I expected, so…
...I don't know if this is Toriyama or Toyotaro at work, but anyways, hats off. So far, so good.
Still, the ending of the Moro fight left a huge sour taste in my mouth, so I'll proceed with caution for the time being.
As for the Fighterz comment, I guess I should clarify - that wasn't directed towards Arc System Works, or shouldn't have been, in any case. Or not entirely, at least. They are indeed showing tons of DB love in the way they are handling the characters given to them. But whoever it is that it's deciding the expanding roster, be it Bandai, Toei, wathever - not a fan. Not a fan at all.
That's it, clarifications made.
Have a nice day!
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This is sorta Dragon ball related news, one of the Dr. Slump tv series is going to be streaming on tubi tv with english subtitles.
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Patiently waiting for that Lady Red tv series… :ninja:
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Chapter 70: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1009016
I didn't expect the condition to be revealed in the same chapter but I'm glad that it's this straightforward. Queue a battle between cheaply gained power and long, arduous training
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This IS kinda fun. Here's hoping for some more primo Freeza content. He's become like the Hisoka of Super - in and out every other arc, and I love it.
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anyone else having trouble reading the last pages? The last thing I get is Granola stopping a big rock Oil throws at him, but that seems a rather lame chapter closer
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Yesterday it was working fine, but today it is true that the last pages aren't there on mangaplus.
If you use a vpn or something like that, you might try viz:
https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/dragon-ball-super-chapter-70/chapter/22064?action=read
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Thanks that worked!
Granola doesn't really feel the part of "Universes strongest" yet, but I liked that the wish had an actual condition. Makes it feel more fair. I'm not sure I quite understand the full scope of the Heeters/Freeza/Sugarians business relationship (like, did the sugarians pay to have the ceralians exterminated? Did I get that right?), but its still kind of neat to have this Space Crime Syndicate Backstabbery element.
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So what actually happens in the end? I can only read until Oil throws the floor to Granolah…
The viz link doesn't allow me to read anythingRemember, remember, the 5th of November
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Which version of Super do you guys prefer? The Anime or the Manga?
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So what actually happens in the end? I can only read until Oil throws the floor to Granolah…
The viz link doesn't allow me to read anythingThe girl joins the fight but only gets tossed around, their leader calls off the fight and says that there's something strange about Granolah's power-up. Granolah admits he used the Dragon Balls. The leader agrees to reveal Freeza's location but it might take a while to find him. Granolah says to make it quick because he doesn't have much time to spare because even though his species lives for like 200 years, he sacrificed his remaining 150 years in exchange for this power. He then leaves.
The thugs discuss what to do while eating. If Granolah beats Freeza he would just replace him and wipe out his army which they want for themselves. They plan to kill Granolah by using Goku and Vegeta -
Yeah, I think outside of the BOG and FNF Arcs in the Anime, the Super Anime is better than the Super Manga.
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I prefer the animated version of Super. Mostly that I enjoyed the slice of life episodes that we got in the anime between the major arcs and plus I prefer the anime version of the Tournament of Power. I felt the manga version of the arc was really rushed. I mean there were a couple things I like from the manga version of the arc and it was the God Battle Royale and that Gohan was wearing his classic Piccolo outfit.
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I prefer the anime version, too.
I think everything before the Moro and Granola arcs in the manga felt like a soulless plot summary.
The anime had stuff like the Pan episode, baseball episode and the character two-parters with Krillin, Gohan, Hit and 17.
I really look forward to these two arcs being animated because I think the anime does a much better job exploring the characters.
For example, I like Meerus' journey and Moro in their basics, but I really feel like they could have used more characterisation and I think the anime staff can fix this issue.
I'm especially excited because they don't necessarily have to come up with their own version of the arc anymore, just add to what's there and an easier job with the story could mean a better story.
DBS chapter 70:
I like that the Heaters and Granola's master get a little bit more exploration and I like that Granola doesn't immediately flip to being the bad guy and his goal in general is pretty unique: I think it's rare in DB For characters to target characters other than the heroes.
I think I'm wary of this ending up a repeat of the Broly movie and Granola ends up being manipulated by Freeza, but I also think there are some pretty unique possible ways to do this, too. Like Granola not taking any of his manipulation.
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My personal favorite episodes of the slice of life episodes in Super were the Great Saiyaman 2 parter, which briefly had Videl back in the spotlight and the Pan episode. The only filler episodes of Super, I didn't really care much was the Copy Vegeta arc, but the dub version of the arc was a bit better. Since the dub had the Ocean dub voice of Vegeta voicing Copy Vegeta.
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The puns .
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Chapter 71:
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1009140
! My first hunch about this new arc keeps being proved wrong, and I couldn't be happier about it. Even the Heeter family is kind of endearing with their Disney levels of evilness while also being kind of comedic. Incredible that a family of 4 evildoers all have their thing going on. And Granolah is interesting: a bad guy with the heart in the right place (if thirst for vengeance is having the heart in the right place, that is…but I mean, he's not an asshole so far).
! Goku and Vegeta further differentiating themselves via training in different "schools" almost feels like back in the "Turtle vs Crane" days. And they keep bringing new stuff about how the universe works.
! Surprisingly charmed by the Capsule Corp scene - not that there was anything special about it, it was just...charming. -
Shunsuke Kikuchi, the composer for DB and DBZ has died.
His soundtrack is still my favourite from all of the series/movies. It's iconic.
RIP.
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Toei announced an new Dragon Ball movie.
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Goku, Vegeta and Broly team up to fight Cooler. Guest-starring Freeza and Bardock.
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Yamcha's finally getting a movie?
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I predict Goku's going to be an unlikable douche in this one who cares about nothing and no-one but the fight!
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So, is it finally time for Perfect-er Cell? Or maybe it's going to be Mecha Bojack? Or Platinum Cooler?
Also, if we're going to predict stuff, I say the surprise character is going to be: A - Broly, B - Jiren or C - Future Trunks.
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You know, I wouldn't be mad at all if they just completely ripped off the fights from the current arc of Adventure of Dai.
Spoilers, but if you're a Dragonball fan who wants something similar and hasn't been convinced to look into the series yet I'd check it out:
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I'm guessing that the unexpected character is going to be Cooler, and if that winds up being the case, then I think we'll get a fusion between Cooler and Freeza. (they brought up fusion to Freeza in the last movie, and I figure they're going to follow up on that at some point)
Though maybe they should go in a different direction than that; the previous two movies and the final arc of Super had Freeza as a pretty major focus.
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Honestly I enjoy Detective Vegeta, feel free to give me more of that
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"You hold a grudge against saiyans???"
"Neener-neener-neener i'm not telling!!! haha-haha-ha-ha!!!!""You'll pay for your crimes saiyan! Though I never saw you personally do anything, I'm going to assume it's all your fault because well … you're a saiyan ... and well, you committed the crimes, that's all you need to know!!! forget the minor details!! THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT!!"
10 chapters later:
"this fight was a setup why didn't you guys tell me you had nothing to do with it!?!?!!" -
Dr. Slump is now up on Tubi tv. It's the 90's version of the show (The version that aired after Dragon Ball GT ended.).
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"You hold a grudge against saiyans???"
"Neener-neener-neener i'm not telling!!! haha-haha-ha-ha!!!!""You'll pay for your crimes saiyan! Though I never saw you personally do anything, I'm going to assume it's all your fault because well … you're a saiyan ... and well, you committed the crimes, that's all you need to know!!! forget the minor details!! THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT!!"
10 chapters later:
"this fight was a setup why didn't you guys tell me you had nothing to do with it!?!?!!"Yeah I was starting to dig the arc but… this last chapter just ground it into the dirt for me. I'm not impressed or wowed by how strong the new guy is, I'm annoyed that it's inevitably going to go down EXACTLY that route because he couldn't ask two questions before starting to go for death blows.
(Also, that he got that initial hit in because "goku was being sloppy" doesn't help. ANd only two senzu beans? I know those things are always in short supply but how do they not manage to grow stockpiles during peacetime? )
That's kind of how its gonna have to go now unless he doe a full villain heel turn and starts being evil for the sake of evil instead of justice.
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I like how this arc is going down quite a bit, myself. The action has been so much nicer to follow.
In the beginning of the arc, we see Granolah flashback directly back to Bardock destroying his home and he's been sitting on this trauma for decades.
I think it makes sense for him to not be reasoned with. I don't think it really matters much whether Goku and Vegeta were tricked or not or whether they are good now or not.
As this chapter basically directly points out.
I like how Granolah also defeats Goku here in this chapter, too. It's all about his sniper skill and how he uses it because Goku still has work to do with Ultra Instinct. How hard Granolah can punch is not the dangerous part of him as an antagonist.
It's all a matter of character perspective here. Which I very much like.
I also like that the bluff is caught by Vegeta. It's a whole bunch of little things that make this good to me.
I think and like that this could go in a whole bunch of different directions.
I mean it could also go in the "Welp new enemy shows up now (Freeza) and he's suddenly good now." direction. But for now I feel like it could go a bunch more ways.
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I'm liking the pacing for this arc so far. I like that Vegeta isn't making some the mistakes that he did back during the Cell saga with him figuring out the Heater's plans. I'm curious what is going to be Freeza's role into this story.
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I wonder if the Cerealian invasion is part of what set Bardock down a path of being disillusioned with the way the Saiyans had been acting until then? That'd be a really nice tie-in to the flashback in Movie #20.
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It'd be better if they didn't. Universe shrinks every time you tie together two old events.
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On the one hand its a bit weird how the scale of battles seems to have shrunk a fair bit, despite participants being stronger than ever…like this bout doesn't quite feel like its between people who can blow up planets with ease. But on the other hand, its kind of refreshing? Like, Granola landing a hit on Goku by speeding ahead of him in a dense forest then using a sash to swing around and do a surprise kick seems incredibly simplistic by series standards, but is more gratifying than characters hurtling even biggerer-er energy balls at each other.
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@Daz:
On the one hand its a bit weird how the scale of battles seems to have shrunk a fair bit, despite participants being stronger than ever…like this bout doesn't quite feel like its between people who can blow up planets with ease. But on the other hand, its kind of refreshing? Like, Granola landing a hit on Goku by speeding ahead of him in a dense forest then using a sash to swing around and do a surprise kick seems incredibly simplistic by series standards, but is more gratifying than characters hurtling even biggerer-er energy balls at each other.
It doesn't really need to always be about planets blowing up. It's not like the characters can't just be written to be pin-pointing their strength into their enemies so as to avoid destroying the environment and stuff. That being said, a variety of types of fights is what is best so yeah, I like some of the ideas present in these last two arcs but they really are just not well strung together. Toyo-tarou crams way too many panels onto a page and his A-to-B connections are so awkward. I'm hoping that the TV anime is able to really go all-out with the battles when these are inevitably adapted and make them more exciting.
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Soooo…what IS that?
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That was a great chapter. Vegeta's tatics throughout the chapter reminded me of some stuff that he did back during his fight against Zarbon.
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So Vegeta achieving what sounds like Ultra Instinct (but probably isn't the same thing) makes him loose his eyebrows? Wasn't that a SS3 only thing so far?
We all float down here!
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So Vegeta achieving what sounds like Ultra Instinct (but probably isn't the same thing) makes him loose his eyebrows? Wasn't that a SS3 only thing so far?
3 AND Great Ape form lose the eyebrows.
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I was about to say, his speech about his happy place and his battle-crazed Saiyan's blood paired with the imagery was very reminiscent of his first fight against Goku. I kinda expected him to become a miniature God-Oozaru
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I don't care much about another new transformation, but I like the principles at play here.
Granolah is basically becoming Saiyan saga Vegeta.
And while Vegeta is embracing the Saiyan Instinct, it's done in a way where his growth as a character is incorporated in it.
Skill, experience and hard work overcome plain strength. I'm kind of tired of Vegeta, but I think this is at least done well.
