My conclusions from this week: hating characters just because they're powerful (or weak) is really dumb and DB fans do that constantly (honestly, I actually constantly see it there with fans of Shounen in general). It's the least important aspect of a character.
Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
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My conclusions from this week: hating characters just because they're powerful (or weak) is really dumb and DB fans do that constantly. It's the least important aspect of a character.
Is this about the Saiyan gals being TOO STRONG or something silly like that.
I haven't gone looking but I can already expect a lot of HOW GIRL BE STRONG. HOW GIRL + GIRL BE STRONGERER THAN STRONGEREST MAN GRRRRRR and other such dumbshit sayings -
Not doubting just curious when it was used?
the art and the lines of episode 114 are the closest dbs has ever looked like dbz. Did anyone else notice this? Who drew and animated this episode?
The animation supervisor of the B Part and one of the key animators was Takahashi Yuuya. Takahashi worked on Kami to Kami, Fukkatsu no F and Dragon Ball Super Episodes #13 and Episode #110. In those former three, however, his drawings were supervised by Character Designer Yamamuro Tadayoshi, a bad animator with a history of over-correcting other animators (especially those better than him) to make their drawings more like his.
Episode #114 is Takahashi's first time as an animation supervisor for Dragon Ball. At age thirty-three Takahashi was born around the time Yamamuro Tadayoshi and other Dragon Ball veterans (like Shida Naotoshi) were entering the industry. He also likely grew up watching their old work, hence why his style is so similar to it.
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Is this about the Saiyan gals being TOO STRONG or something silly like that. I haven't gone looking but I can already expect a lot of HOW GIRL BE STRONG. HOW GIRL + GIRL BE STRONGERER THAN STRONGEREST MAN GRRRRRR and other such dumbshit sayings
I actually didn't even intend to go looking. You literally can't go into any comment section about this episode or any of the series tags anywhere. These forums have been the tamest I've been to.
Why is it so hard to accept that they're just strong? Cabba goes under this, too. They just have really strong base powers. It's literally been repeated many times that they have massive potential like Gohan. U6 Saiyans were introduced by establishing that they are different from U7 Saiyans. Even their designs reflect a difference. Kale's and Caulifla's flaws simply aren't strength-based, they're instead tied to their characters and other shortcomings like inexperience.
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People had no issue with Jiren being the stongerererestererest so I'm inclined to say it's probably because they're girls.
Cabba has a pretty unfortunate track record but it's pretty obvious he's more just unlucky than a slouch. I mean, he was -the- top Saiyan in universe 6 before even learning about super Saiyan, and he still manages to keep up pretty well with Caulifla's natural genius and Kale's innate fuckhuge strength.
Really, this just makes me want a universe 6 arc even more, I really wanna see the interactions between the 6 and 7 Saiyans overall -
Also the U6 Saiyans are closer to Goku and Vegeta than their own children in terms of their own upbringing. Even though Vegeta has trained with Trunks, with Cabba not having that paternal relationship, gives a new dynamic. Which they have shown a bit here and there.
The U6 Saiyans are similar to Goku and Vegeta with their sense of duty with Cabba and the latter, and that interest in achieving strength with the girls with Goku.
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People had no issue with Jiren being the stongerererestererest so I'm inclined to say it's probably because they're girls.
Cabba has a pretty unfortunate track record but it's pretty obvious he's more just unlucky than a slouch. I mean, he was -the- top Saiyan in universe 6 before even learning about super Saiyan, and he still manages to keep up pretty well with Caulifla's natural genius and Kale's innate fuckhuge strength.
Really, this just makes me want a universe 6 arc even more, I really wanna see the interactions between the 6 and 7 Saiyans overallJiren is main antagonist that arc, he has lots of experience and there might be more revealed about him in the future. The issue with Caulifla from what I've seen is mostly how she's jumping through SSJ stages so quickly. And people were complaining about Goten and Trunks for past 20 years, and they're boys, one is even a child version of a fan favouite. I don't really care enough about all of this to mind it, but you're being really unfair here.
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Jiren is main antagonist that arc, he has lots of experience and there might be more revealed about him in the future. The issue with Caulifla from what I've seen is mostly how she's jumping through SSJ stages so quickly. And people were complaining about Goten and Trunks for past 20 years, and they're boys, one is even a child version of a fan favouite. I don't really care enough about all of this to mind it, but you're being really unfair here.
There's also the fact that the ToP Arc has now had 7 new transformations for 4 characters in 48 hours, with 5 of them taking place in the last 30 minutes, and 5 of them being the girls alone. Completely unheard of in the Canon storyline, even the likes of Frieza had already unlocked his transformations prior to the Namek stuff, and Cell had to eat people, androids and Goku to get to his next stages.
So yeah, I can see people being a little annoyed when we've seen Goku achieve UI through deus ex, Kale Go LSS, SSJ, and controlled LSS, Caulifla go SSJ and SSJ2 in the span of minutes, and Cabba go SSJ2 after a pep talk.
But no, it's because they're girls, and not because they completely wreck all the continuity established so far and seemingly pull out transformation after transformation with none of the effort the main cast went through.
That said, i really like Caulifla and Kale. I just wish the writers had bothered to build up their growth naturally instead of injecting them with plot-steroids because they set themselves an artificial deadline that didn't need to be there in the first place!
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People loved Goku and Cabba's respective transformations though.
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Goku doesn't even work for most of his powerups
He gets SUper Saiyan by getting Really Really Angry, 2 3 and Blue are basically just because, God is given to him, and Ultra was because we don't fucking knowHeck, Vegeta becomes super saiyan by throwing a tantrum for a week and no one really cares. I can accept the timeframe being silly but the reasons for the U6 Saiyans transforming are all reasonable
Caulifla is a natural, Cabba gets mad, Kale gets mad and then unmad, it's nothing new except Kale getting hers from chilling out but you can probably asay that Mystic Gohan is in that same framework -
I feel like what might play some role here that isn't sexism is that we barely know anything about Kale's and Caulifla's background.
We know Cabba is in the Sadala Defense Force, but Caulifla is just a thug. The fact that she's a thug actually might attribute to her strength, but these are just vague hints and they just might be saving all the info for a Sadala arc.
People don't have patience, so it all ends up as hate. I love the form, but I've seen Ultra Instinct is the same for some. It's not fully explained, so it automatically sucks and will never be explained.
Super is currently at a much better place than it ever has been writing-wise, so I'm patient. I'm sure all the other characters will have at least one more episode each for a fight, for example. It won't be a Goku-fest. I can be wrong and I'll be dissapointed if I'm wrong, but I have faith in the writers right now.
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You know I just realized
It's basically a time elapse of 1 minute per episode, so we probably have ~20 more episodes to go, which would end the arc around March, like that recent interview pointed to -
I feel like at least 5 of those will be for the aftermath and that's counted in there. Would account for proper fights for Piccolo, Gohan, 17, 18, Vegeta and something with Freeza.
Unless they're quickly knocked out and there's 10 episodes of Goku vs. Jiren or something.
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The fight choreography was really soild this episode. It's a good demonstration of a 2v1 being used right against someone stronger.
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I feel like at least 5 of those will be for the aftermath and that's counted in there. Would account for proper fights for Piccolo, Gohan, 17, 18, Vegeta and something with Freeza.
Unless they're quickly knocked out and there's 10 episodes of Goku vs. Jiren or something.
I'd say cut it down to 3 episodes for aftermath and… 4-5 episodes for Jiren
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Heck, Vegeta becomes super saiyan by throwing a tantrum for a week and no one really cares.
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I was waiting for that, thank you
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Bless that clip.
People just don't consider the in-universe time in those arcs because they're longer and most of the transformations are climatic moments that push the characters to a new level of power.
Again, Goku got to SSJ in 6 days. Sadala is a bunch of Gohans presumably training each other who just don't know about SSJ. Maybe Sadala has something like SSJ level monsters? We just don't know much about the U6 Saiyans.
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I would say that it took Goku all of Dragon Ball and a third of Dragon Ball Z to get to SSJ. But I think I am just nitpicking.
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I really really like the design of the fusion, for reasons I dunno why. Similarly, seeing Kale in Broly mode (that is, Broly white eyes + lipstick…) always looks off to me. Anyways the two kick Goku around for a bit, yadda yadda, Vegeta and Toppo stall, etc.
Of course Champa would sneak in the earrings.
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Goku doesn't even work for most of his powerups
He gets SUper Saiyan by getting Really Really Angry,Yeah, not like he trained in 100x gravity or had multiple near death experiences to trigger his saiyan genetic boosts.
2 3 and Blue are basically just because,
1 year of training after achieving super saiayan, 3 years of training for cell, 1 year of spirit and time with gohan, for cell, then 7 years in the afterlife against the best in history of constant nonstop training for a cumulative 12 years of training to get super 2 and 3… and 2 was after he'd already seen Gohan do it.
God is given to him,
The initial burst was, but then his body adapted to it and made it his own. And arguably, he wouldn't have been able to handle that if he hadn't already achieved the physical level he was at. They didn't try the trick with Vegeta or Gohan, they went with Goku who they all (even Vegeta) acknowledged was the strongest at that time.
and Ultra was because we don't fucking know
Surviving spirit bomb/black hole pressure to the face and going into complete survival instinct.
Heck, Vegeta becomes super saiyan by throwing a tantrum for a week and no one really cares.
In abridged maybe. Or anime filler. In canon… he trained for 4 years, in 300x gravity, after seeing Goku do it.
I can accept the timeframe being silly but the reasons for the U6 Saiyans transforming are all reasonable
Saying "they have the base power already and were ready to hit SS1 anyway once they were shown" is fine, especially after Goten, Trunk, and Goku Jr. made that particular process negligable. But all the other stuff? That took our characters insane stress, near death experiences and decades to learn?
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If Goku ever had a kid, he would want it to be Kefla.
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I like all we're seeing with the U6 Saiyans do far, and I like their characters. This episode was almost perfect really, although I have one concern. I don't know what the endgame for Kale and Kalifa is, but I hope that all this effort, character development, teamwork, and a fusion doesn't just go into fighting Goku. Don't get me wrong, all that stuff is great on it's own, to the point I feel a little guilty for making this complaint. They don't have to win, but I'd feel a bit ripped off if all this effort when into nothing. I'd like these two to get one last accomplishment in before the arc is over, especially in their new fusion form.
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@K.:
I would say that it took Goku all of Dragon Ball and a third of Dragon Ball Z to get to SSJ. But I think I am just nitpicking.
Nah, that's a completely legitimate way of looking at it. The main thing I'm looking at is that the power gaps are massive starting Freeza. Relative to the time they're training they gain a lot of strength.
It's all stuck that way because the plot goes that way.
The U6 Saiyans are established to be naturally much stronger to begin with, so naturally they would grow stronger in relation to that strength.
Dunno if that makes any sense in terms of what I'm trying to say.
But they're a bunch of Gohans and Gohan caught up to Goku and Vegeta pretty quickly.
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@Cyan:
If Goku ever had a kid, he would want it to be Kefla.
He was already fine with it being Caulifla tbh
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Buncha Stuff
Yes of course i know all this but training in DBZ is literally the equivalent of grinding in an rpg to beat the boss as opposed to actually learning the game mechanics. Training in DBZ is just this vague event that happens and it makes people Stronger but Stronger is vague and doesn't really mean anything other than "okay this person can beat the bad guy now/become super saiyan now". It's cheap and doesn't actually add anything to the characters beyond bigger numbers. Rarely in dragonball does Training actually have interesting outcomes like character development or new techniques, it just makes them that vaguely defined Stronger, resulting in less "fear the man who has practiced one punch 10,000 times" and more "fear the man who locked himself in a magic room for a year with 1000 times gravity doing bicep curls"
adding to that is dumb saiyan genetics for even cheaper power ups and you don't need tactics or strategy when you can just get the shit kicked outta you, pop a senzu bean, and then come back better than ever.like, part of why I actually really enjoyed the previous episode is that we see Goku doing actual techniques he's learned and observed over the years, he even used Yamcha's Soukidan! it's cooler than "oh goku is just stronger and he's gonna punch the other person and win because he's stronger." even though goku already is stronger, he still used actual moves rather than just overpowering Caulifla and Kale with a bigger stronger attack.
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I like all we're seeing with the U6 Saiyans do far, and I like their characters. This episode was almost perfect really, although I have one concern. I don't know what the endgame for Kale and Kalifa is, but I hope that all this effort, character development, teamwork, and a fusion doesn't just go into fighting Goku. Don't get me wrong, all that stuff is great on it's own, to the point I feel a little guilty for making this complaint. They don't have to win, but I'd feel a bit ripped off if all this effort when into nothing. I'd like these two to get one last accomplishment in before the arc is over, especially in their new fusion form.
In the preview Jiren's eye twitches, so he might get out of meditation due to Kefla's and Goku's fight, and Kefla decides to fight him instead.
@Kizuchan: But starting at Freeza we also started to see a massive increase on their training schedules. We might laugh it off as 100x, 300x gravity, but the amount of training they do there and, at least for the Saiyans, their ability to grow stronger from healing up is what tipped the power scale.
I do see your point though. I also would attribute it to Goku and Vegeta being better at training someone at this point in time.
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Yes of course i know all this but training in DBZ is literally the equivalent of grinding in an rpg to beat the boss as opposed to actually learning the game mechanics. Training in DBZ is just this vague event that happens and it makes people Stronger but Stronger is vague and doesn't really mean anything other than "okay this person can beat the bad guy now/become super saiyan now". It's cheap and doesn't actually add anything to the characters beyond bigger numbers. Rarely in dragonball does Training actually have interesting outcomes like character development or new techniques, it just makes them that vaguely defined Stronger, resulting in less "fear the man who has practiced one punch 10,000 times" and more "fear the man who locked himself in a magic room for a year with 1000 times gravity doing bicep curls"
adding to that is dumb saiyan genetics for even cheaper power ups and you don't need tactics or strategy when you can just get the shit kicked outta you, pop a senzu bean, and then come back better than ever.like, part of why I actually really enjoyed the previous episode is that we see Goku doing actual techniques he's learned and observed over the years, he even used Yamcha's Soukidan! it's cooler than "oh goku is just stronger and he's gonna punch the other person and win because he's stronger." even though goku already is stronger, he still used actual moves rather than just overpowering Caulifla and Kale with a bigger stronger attack.
How can someone write a whole paragraph in response, yet answer none of the points made :wassat:
We're complaining about the powerups being nonsensical/inconsistent with previous depictions, and your answer is 'well training to get stronger is nonsensical anyway so we can ignore inconsistencies'? Just… what? I'm at a loss here, it's like you've given up on suspension of disbelief from the getgo and are just watching for the flashy lights. -
read better, i was talking about how training is used narratively in dragon ball
i already said how the ways U6 Saiyans achieved their transformations are in line with how other characters have done it (gettin' mad/emotional distress, being a natural, etc) and already acknowledged that the timeframe in which they received their powers up to be silly, but nothing they've done so far is out of line in how they achieved them. -
1 year of training after achieving super saiayan, 3 years of training for cell, 1 year of spirit and time with gohan, for cell, then 7 years in the afterlife against the best in history of constant nonstop training for a cumulative 12 years of training to get super 2 and 3… and 2 was after he'd already seen Gohan do it.
You can repeat the phrase "training" all you like, but training has fuck all to do with becoming a Super Saiyan. The triggers for the Super Saiyan were already elaborated on in the series. No one even knows how or when Goku achieved ssj 2 or 3. It could have been within a week of him dying for all we know.
abridged maybe. Or anime filler. In canon… he trained for 4 years, in 300x gravity, after seeing Goku do it.
Vegeta could not get the transformation through training no matter how hard he tried, this was made very clear. It's time to stop using that excuse. He was throwing a tantrum over not being able to do it which is why he transformed as stated by Vegeta himself.
Saying "they have the base power already and were ready to hit SS1 anyway once they were shown" is fine, especially after Goten, Trunk, and Goku Jr. made that particular process negligable. But all the other stuff? That took our characters insane stress, near death experiences and decades to learn?
As I mentioned up above, it really didn't. All the training only gave you that impression, but Goku already explained how the ssj transformation worked.
We saw Goku get emotional and we saw Gohan getting emotional.
Ruin is completely right in saying that what we're currently seeing is in line with what's already been happening.
EDIT - I forgot to mention that we don't know what The U6 Saiyan's have been through or what they've done so it's silly of anyone to be arguing about how much the u7 Saiyan's trained in comparison.
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read better, i was talking about how training is used narratively in dragon ball
i already said how the ways U6 Saiyans achieved their transformations are in line with how other characters have done it (gettin' mad/emotional distress, being a natural, etc) and already acknowledged that the timeframe in which they received their powers up to be silly, but nothing they've done so far is out of line in how they achieved them.Except you're using some odd selective logic of "well the training is arbitrary" therefore it doesn't matter. Umm yeah it still acts as a much better explanation than U6 saiyans getting new transformations more than they change their underwear. Training is training, you're talking about learning techniques as training has nothing to do with the very valid explanation that the strength training characters did in the past was better than U6 just being handed transformations pretty much purely from emotions. Even if you use the emotional impetus angle, let's get real here and compare the difference in stress both physical and emotional that it took in combination with all the training for U7 characters to get their transformations.
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Liked this episode as well. Califula and Kale's interactions, from Califula calming down Berseker Kale, to telling Kale they they would go in as equals, to Califula laughing get and slapping Kale on the back after she finally expressed some confidence, was great. The fight was entertaining, and the power scaling actually feel good with SSJG being able to hold off a SSJ2 and a controlled Beserker…even though Kale walked through a Blue Kamehameha before...and everyone said she had her full powers this time...Goku even went through her blast this time...never mind.
Saw a lot of people complaining that base form Kefla could overpower SSJG Goku, but I don't see that as an issue considering that base form Goku and Vegeta in Z were likely not as strong as Super Buu, Gotenks, Piccolo, OR ultimate Gohan, yet their Portara had no problem with all of the above.
Also, is there some rule that you can only fuse/Portara fuse with a member of the same species? Because even though Kelfa is incredibly powerful, I doubt even Jiren the Overpowered could beat a invulnerable assassinan bear that stops time.
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Gokuu literally going from 8,000 to 3,000,000 in five weeks never bothered me, so I don't see why Kale and Caulifla learning Super Saiyan and 2 in a few hours is a problem, especially when those forms are quite adamantly not winning them very many fights.
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Oh the internet will be on fire this month.
! in 115-116 Kefla pushes Goku to Ultra Instinct. In 117 Androids protect Goku by taking on U2, in 118 a universe is erased and in 119 a character from U7 is out, we don't know which ones. I actually like Goku being pushed like that. I like the main character not always being the strongest and it does again, open room for others to step in and give the new fusion time to shine.
I actually like this. If you hate how strong the Saiyan girls are by principle, then you probably won't like this.
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Oh the internet will be on fire this month.
! in 115-116 Kefla pushes Goku to Ultra Instinct. In 117 Androids protect Goku by taking on U2, in 118 a universe is erased and in 119 a character from U7 is out, we don't know which ones. I actually like Goku being pushed like that. I like the main character not always being the strongest and it does again, open room for others to step in and give the new fusion time to shine.
I actually like this. If you hate how strong the Saiyan girls are by principle, then you probably won't like this.
! OH GOD WHY. The problem here isn't the Kefla is UI level, that's fine! Makes sense, she has potaras, its fine. The problem is Gokuu being seemingly capable of pulling power-ups out of his ass! He was knocked out what, 4 minutes ago? So assuming the pays keeps up, 5 minutes after going into UI, he can do it again? That's bull! What are the writers thinking, its like they write themselves into a corner and then are forced to bend the realms of believability to get out of it! They could've had Jiren deal with Kefla, they could've had a Gokuu-Toppo-Vegeta-Dyspy team-up to beat her. But Gokuu getting to UI ALREADY? Come on, he's barely had any time to recover, I wasn't hoping to see him in that form until the last 5 minutes or so of the tournament, to knock Jiren out. Grrrr the writing is grating, the only thing keeping this show going is the flashy battles.
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Can anyone explain to me why certain universes are exempt from this tournament???
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Can anyone explain to me why certain universes are exempt from this tournament???
They had the top 4 mortal levels.
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They had the top 4 mortal levels.
What does that mean? they had more powerful people or they just have a higher population???
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What does that mean? they had more powerful people or they just have a higher population???
We don't know what it means exactly tbh. Most tend to think it has to do with the level of develop.ent of the civilizations in those universes.
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! OH GOD WHY. The problem here isn't the Kefla is UI level, that's fine! Makes sense, she has potaras, its fine. The problem is Gokuu being seemingly capable of pulling power-ups out of his ass! He was knocked out what, 4 minutes ago? So assuming the pays keeps up, 5 minutes after going into UI, he can do it again? That's bull! What are the writers thinking, its like they write themselves into a corner and then are forced to bend the realms of believability to get out of it! They could've had Jiren deal with Kefla, they could've had a Gokuu-Toppo-Vegeta-Dyspy team-up to beat her. But Gokuu getting to UI ALREADY? Come on, he's barely had any time to recover, I wasn't hoping to see him in that form until the last 5 minutes or so of the tournament, to knock Jiren out. Grrrr the writing is grating, the only thing keeping this show going is the flashy battles.
! agree with you there, I was personally hoping for Jiren vs Kefla since I don't get why Mr. Overpowered thinks it's a good idea to
sitfloat on his rear while his universe is down to three guys. Maybe he needs to mediate regularly in order to use his power, but I doubt the writers thought of even a simple reason for it (I'd gladly accept it if they proved me wrong). Also, I know DB is the poster child for this, but I was hoping that UI wouldn't stoop to the point where it's used for every fight after being obtained by everyone and their sayain grandmother like every SSJ form before it. You know, keep it as a special trump card that ISN'T used every five minutes? I'm not surprised, though.What does that mean? they had more powerful people or they just have a higher population???
I think it has to do something to do with morality, as Beerus accused Goku of lowering their unverse's level after they were informed of what the ToP would be like, to which Goku replied something like "Well, at least Gohan's bringing the level up" before Gohan started training again. It could also have something to with population, since U7 barely has two dozen planets with sentient life on them and they're second to last ranked.
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! I actually have a problem with Goku recovering because the explanation has been really loose (this week it was basically "it's Goku"), when they do have a solid one with SSJG's healing powers. Futher spoilers describe it as a brief "second wind" type of deal, though, where he's pushed to the brink of death again and attacks Kefla with a point-blank Kamehameha, but he's completely drained afterwards because others have to rescue him. They have to get him to eventually master UI, so briefly tapping into it here and there doesn't bother me. HOW he'll recover from this one could be really sloppy, tho… and they do have a solid answer for this, too, which is if U6 Namekians would offer to heal him as a last resort or something.
! I'm just gonna see how it's executed.
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What does that mean? they had more powerful people or they just have a higher population???
Basically, Zeno is done watching over 12 Universes so they want to only watch the most powerful ones.
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! in 115-116 Kefla pushes Goku to Ultra Instinct. In 117 Androids protect Goku by taking on U2, in 118 a universe is erased and in 119 a character from U7 is out, we don't know which ones. I actually like Goku being pushed like that. I like the main character not always being the strongest and it does again, open room for others to step in and give the new fusion time to shine.
I actually like this. If you hate how strong the Saiyan girls are by principle, then you probably won't like this.
I can hear the salty comments now….
! I'm more peeved by Goku still having enough stamina to power up again???? His battle with Jiren should've tired him out. As for their fusion, it's not so farfetched - Goku and Vegeta's potara manhandled Buu, a baddy that had no selled almost everything the gang threw at him, and he went toe to toe with Zamasu.
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! Honestly, I'm guessing Kefla won't really achieve much which is disappointing to me. I wish she'd knock a heavy hitter out. Vegeta is getting arrogant and cocky enough that I think it's time for him to get his ass handed to him again.
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! I'm also not entirely sure Goku has actually recovered. Being pushed to the brink again and recovering are two different things.
! The way I see it, it's him running on what he still has left from Freeza. The question is how he's gonna recover from this in turn.
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! Does Ultra instinct require vast amounts of energy to use?
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@K.:
! Does Ultra instinct require vast amounts of energy to use?
We don't really know. We've only seen Goku use it once, hardly under control (note the remarks about the 'heat' he is radiating) and on fumes (only energy being from the spirit bomb). We don't know how long Goku could potentially use it when he mastered the technique together with a rested body.
Time will tell.
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This might be a weird angle to look at it, but let's see.
Ultra Instinct has nothing to do with energy or power. I will elaborate. Ultra Instinct, from what I remember is the technique to allow your body to move without having to consciously think about it.
How does that tie in with the spirit bomb? Well, Goku had gone all out against Jiren, and probably used his entire energy to try and push it back. Having been depleted of his energy, and maybe because he was in his god state, the spirit bomb was received by a ~non-evil~ entity. Which made the results be different. Another possibility could be Goku unconsciously absorbing energy.
The energy given to Goku was just for him to be able to move, in other words, it didn't really activate Ultra Instinct. However, due to the nature of the spirit bomb, and Goku being in an almost unconscious state, it allowed his mind to be free, and which in turn enable him to be able to use ultra instinct.
Something like that.
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! U7 person getting knocked out I assume it'll be Piccolo because reasons. But I forgot the Androids are still running around. Hopefully it's 17 lol