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Episode of Alabishman Island.
Title: ''To the Reverie - Princess Vivi and Princess Shirahoshi''
Chapters Covered: half of 823 + recap
New Characters: Sally Nantocanette
Episode Director: Katsumi Tokoro (****)
Animation Director: Shigefumi Shingaki (**1/2)
Time: 7:30PM EST
Watch It: www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece
Did these people seriously just take like a handful of panels from one chapter and stretch them out into an entire flashback/filler episode? Jesus christ Toei never change.
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Huh, I thought next week would be more of the same, but they're actually covering more than I thought they would.
777 jackpot!
Carrot is the "shin member" aka new nakama !!!
I wonder if Vivi's seiyuu has gotten tired of saying the same lines from Alabasta over and over again.
Really strong art direction for a Shingaki episode.
I noticed that whoever did the key animation for Gum Gum Storm was trying really hard to emulate the original cut by Katsumi Ishizuka.
@Miss:
Did these people seriously just take like a handful of panels from one chapter and stretch them out into an entire flashback/filler episode? Jesus christ Toei never change.
It's called keeping the audience up to speed, at least it isn't recycled scenes like I originally thought, in fact redone animation is great.
I kinda wish that they didn't have to reanimate or re-record dialogue because of the old style clearly veing different. Never improves such iconic moments.
But rehashed flashbacks aside this was pretty solid. The opening scenes were lovely and pretty consistent. A- in my book.
Did they take the flashback scenes from here http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_of_Alabasta:_The_Desert_Princess_and_the_Pirates or did they reanimate it?
Oh come on, they didn't even take the whole chapter :getlost:. I mean it wouldn't have been enough even if they did, but splitting that chapter in two is just evidence of complete apathy on behalf of the storydirectors. " Yeah whatever, people pay to see it"
Did they take the flashback scenes from here http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_of_Alabasta:_The_Desert_Princess_and_the_Pirates or did they reanimate it?
They're reanimated from scratch, which is the policy they've been following for a while when it comes to pre-HD material. The last time I can remember them using the 4:3 footage in flashbacks was either when Kuma poofed the crew or the recap right before Marineford.
They're reanimated from scratch, which is the policy they've been following for a while when it comes to pre-HD material. The last time I can remember them using the 4:3 footage in flashbacks was either when Kuma poofed the crew or the recap right before Marineford.
The link I provided links to the 8th movie (retelling of Alabasta) which is available in BluRay format -> 16:9 & 1080p but I don't know if the BluRay version is true full HD or upscaled.
Oh come on, they didn't even take the whole chapter :getlost:. I mean it wouldn't have been enough even if they did, but splitting that chapter in two is just evidence of complete apathy on behalf of the storydirectors. " Yeah whatever, people pay to see it"
Well it's either that or a filler arc. And if the directors can make a compelling 20 minute episode covering half of a chapter, good on them. It's far easier to mess up when doing such a thing, but the fact of how much of the manga an episode covers doesn't immediately validate or invalidate it.
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lots of great art in the this episode, lots of mitsu yoichi but there's other really good art I suspect is Kitazaki Masahiro & others.
Croc-Boi!
Kitazaki Masahiro?
mitsu yoichi
Overall really good re-animation of a very old arc, which they really didn't have to they could of used old 2000s footage or movie 8 footage.
It's so good to hear Croc's laugh again! "ha..ha..ha..ha Love it! sounds like he's slowly dying
lol
Really is a lot of great art in this ep!
It's called keeping the audience up to speed, at least it isn't recycled scenes like I originally thought, in fact redone animation is great.
It's called lazy filler; not the first time they do it. But I sure am glad I was shown what happened in Alabasta for the 8th time.
Though I suppose you're right in that it could have been worse.
Is that Nobuo Tobita voicing the Kano king? Sweet.
@Miss:
It's called lazy filler; not the first time they do it. But I sure am glad I was shown what happened in Alabasta for the 8th time.
Though I suppose you're right in that it could have been worse.
The filler isn't "lazy", the audience is - and I'm being facetious when I say "lazy". The most infamous thing about One Piece is probably its length; it's so long now that you would have to watch the anime for over 12 days straight just to get caught up to it. And the medium of TV is far more likely to get new viewers that start somewhere in the middle of the series than the manga is. And in order to retain new viewers, it's important for the anime to explain things that reappear in the series after a long time, like Vivi, otherwise new viewers have no real way to understand what she's doing and what her overall connection to the plot is. Also, people who only watch casually might have forgotten about her.
Of course, for superfans like us this is unnecessary and can totally be skipped, but we're not the only demographic and should try to understand why certain things are being included in the anime. Overall, Vivi's flashback was pretty nicely done and re-encapsulated the dynamic between her and the Straw Hats pretty well. Plus Crocodile looked amazing :wub:. Everything else was pretty cool too, and the scenes with the other rulers were each of pretty good lengths.
I noticed that whoever did the key animation for Gum Gum Storm was trying really hard to emulate the original cut by Katsumi Ishizuka.
Sadly they didn't include my favorite part of it - the first-person POV shot of Crocodile getting his face smashed in by the first blow.
Shingaki's rehabilitation under Tokoro continues, but Yoichi Mitsui was the MVP here with some nice crowd and shading work. Recap is a necessary evil with a continuous television show this long, so I'm glad that they're at least making the effort to remake the material and not cheap out on it (though Crocodile's sand being completely static after dropping Vivi and rain falling from a very empty sky that's suddenly completely overcast in the next shot was eyebrow-raising) even though it won't live up to the original version. Interesting that they were copying some of the character design quirks from back then as well, like the big purple highlights in Crocodile's hair that were toned way down for his Impel Down reappearance.
I had originally assumed that the episode was going to end with the narrator's Reverie monologue, so it was a pleasant surprise to see them fit the start of Carrot's reintroduction in there. I find it amusing that the preview quickly fits that one shot of her trying to maul Luffy in among the ones of her being literally bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Looks like Ichikawa might be back for that bit too; I figured they'd pretty her introduction up. I'm also starting to realize from these last few episodes that Pekoms is actually pretty low-key funny; I didn't pay much attention to him in the manga.
Finally, the adult Stelly being voiced by Kosuke Toriumi is lol.
Well it's either that or a filler arc. And if the directors can make a compelling 20 minute episode covering half of a chapter, good on them. It's far easier to mess up when doing such a thing,
Then sign me up for a filler arc. At the very least they would have the decency to place it between arcs, while the straws are travelling.
but the fact of how much of the manga an episode covers doesn't immediately validate or invalidate it.
In the case of Toei that's pretty much exactly what it does. They've proven they can't work an even close to decent pacing with a whole chapter, how the hell are they going to make it work with a half? Like this episode was around 5 minutes of original content. I feel really bad for the poor animators with a vision and a hope to really put their watermark out there and then they are just stiffled by moneygrubbing executives who don't give a shit about making good art, but still rake in the most cash. It's pretty scumbaggy.
I was expecting a more despicable voice for Stelly. I read some comments that he may have grown up to be good looking in contrast to the usual ugly nobles. lol
And Stelly's wife speech pattern seem to be based on the pun in her name, I think?
I look forward to Sabo putting a dent in his face.
Then sign me up for a filler arc. At the very least they would have the decency to place it between arcs, while the straws are travelling.
In the case of Toei that's pretty much exactly what it does. They've proven they can't work an even close to decent pacing with a whole chapter, how the hell are they going to make it work with a half? Like this episode was around 5 minutes of original content. I feel really bad for the poor animators with a vision and a hope to really put their watermark out there and then they are just stiffled by moneygrubbing executives who don't give a shit about making good art, but still rake in the most cash. It's pretty scumbaggy.
But the standalone filler arcs in One Piece are typically not good. Expanding on existing material works much better in the long run. Especially since they don't really have much of a time gap in between travel time from place to place. This fleshed out episode had some really on point animation. Some animators are making there mark not every single moment of OP is filled with action. This is the good time to have a slower transition episode. And with a character like Vivi who is fairly popular get a bit more time to shine is great. Also what Kaido said.
But the standalone filler arcs in One Piece are typically not good. Expanding on existing material works much better in the long run. Especially since they don't really have much of a time gap in between travel time from place to place. This fleshed out episode had some really on point animation. Some animators are making there mark not every single moment of OP is filled with action. This is the good time to have a slower transition episode. And with a character like Vivi who is fairly popular get a bit more time to shine is great. Also what Kaido said.
I mean yeah, it isn't as horrifyingly bad as it could have been. Although rehashing old series content to pad an episode is definetly something I don't approve off. But if this is going to be a trend, we're going to see some godawful pacing even by One Piece standards. Hence why I think a filler arc would be better, even if it wouldn't be the best thing ever.
I mean yeah, it isn't as horrifyingly bad as it could have been. Although rehashing old series content to pad an episode is definetly something I don't approve off. But if this is going to be a trend, we're going to see some godawful pacing even by One Piece standards. Hence why I think a filler arc would be better, even if it wouldn't be the best thing ever.
It's a personal preference. But filler arcs in OP are terrible. I much rather have added scenes to flesh out an episode. The added scenesâŚ.minus the killer bee attack in Zou have been pretty good. Plus I hate that the filler arcs really don't and can't impact the story. I much prefer a bit more dialogue to 3 to 4 episodes that don't matter.
Ugh, why does Crunchyroll use Rogue Town? And other 4Kids-ish/Viz terms? Is this some sort of Toei mandate?
Ironic considering the shot pans up to a sign saying "LOGUETOWN" immediately afterwards
Roguetown and the like only blight the streaming subtitles, the DVD releases are free of that. It's been the case ever since they started the simulcast.
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The Crunchyroll streams tend to edge towards Viz terminology/spelling a lot of the times, barring some of the more extreme naming differences. Similar to certain Bandai tie-ins
Here are some facts:
It has been 15 years since Alabasta Arc was finished.
Although there's a movie which was adapted from Alabasta Arc, it was released 10 years ago. And the movie was heavily rushed because of many reasons including schedule issues, not to mention that there are not many people who've watched this movie.
Unlike oversea audiences who can easily watch the anime again and again, Japanese audiences cannot access episodes which was released 15 years ago as easily as oversea audiences can do. In this case, many OP fans didn't have chance to re-watch these classical moments while they do miss the story and characters a lot.
Quite a number of audiences even don't know what happened in the past and who is Vivi at all because they began to watch One Piece much later.
Now I think we can easily get why they included many classical moments of Alabasta Arc based on the facts I mentioned above: indeed these two episodes (#777 and #778) are two special episodes with an "episode-of" style. By the way, the episode director of #777 is the director of Episode of Nami and Episode of Merry.
Production wise it also had a special-episode standard. This episode was apparently one of the most expensive and highest priority episode in these few years, in every aspects. For example, many good even great animators joined this episode, and all the scenes of Alabasta Arc were remasted from beginning. The overall quality of these remasted scenes were overall A grade or even better. (By the way, they didn't need to do this hard if they just wanted to "drag out" the anime.)
I have to say that I may feel very upset If one thought this episode was bad because of these remasted flashbacks of Alabasta.
There were still some problems here and there in Zou Arc, but I believe that many audiences has already noticed the progress that the anime staff has made. And this episode and #775 has already shown that the staff are trying to do something.
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Then sign me up for a filler arc. At the very least they would have the decency to place it between arcs, while the straws are travelling.
In the case of Toei that's pretty much exactly what it does. They've proven they can't work an even close to decent pacing with a whole chapter, how the hell are they going to make it work with a half? Like this episode was around 5 minutes of original content. I feel really bad for the poor animators with a vision and a hope to really put their watermark out there and then they are just stiffled by moneygrubbing executives who don't give a shit about making good art, but still rake in the most cash. It's pretty scumbaggy.
If you think this episode was around only "five" minutes of original content, I think maybe you should have a check again. And I have written some words that why they included these flashbacks.
By the way, I think they have proven that they can of course make an episode with over all more than decent pacing when it covers a full chapter.
My thoughts exactly. People complaining about flashbacks to Alabasta need to start changing their mindset and understanding that these episodes are not catered for westerners complaining on the internet who've been watching the series for years but to TV audiences in Japan, many of which were not even alive when the arc first aired. Getting recap episodes to an arc that aired on TV years and years ago is not that big of a deal and not worth complaining about.
Notice that the flashbacks catered to Alabasta and barely touched Fishman Island, which is more recent in the memory of people. Expect the same when it comes to Drum Island versus Dressrosa next week, considering Dressrosa only just aired last year.
Roguetown and the like only blight the streaming subtitles, the DVD releases are free of that. It's been the case ever since they started the simulcast.
So, do the DVDs fix the subtitles for the episodes that use those terms?
So, do the DVDs fix the subtitles for the episodes that use those terms?
The DVD releases have fixed terms to make the episodes more consistent with previous sub translations:
http://i.imgur.com/o2sgoul.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1r0bwrn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8K9CjaW.jpg
Also DVD subs fixed inconsistencies in the simulcast itself:
http://i.imgur.com/6mZO9WE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/G2a7X0z.jpg
A couple inconsistencies may have managed to slip through, but the most notable changes seemed to have been fixed for DVD release.
Though during the Marineford episodes the simulcast actually bothered to remember that âLoguetownâ was the proper translation:
http://i.imgur.com/Nl2jvi3.jpg
The DVD releases have fixed terms to make the episodes more consistent with previous sub translations:
http://i.imgur.com/o2sgoul.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1r0bwrn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8K9CjaW.jpg
Also DVD subs fixed inconsistencies in the simulcast itself:
http://i.imgur.com/6mZO9WE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/G2a7X0z.jpgA couple inconsistencies may have managed to slip through, but the most notable changes seemed to have been fixed for DVD release.
Though during the Marineford episodes the simulcast actually bothered to remember that âLoguetownâ was the proper translation:
http://i.imgur.com/Nl2jvi3.jpg
Interesting, good on FUNi for fixing them. I thought that they would simply just leave them as is but thankfully they didn't
Did anyone else notice the music when Vivi is shown for the first time is straight out of Gravity Rush 2? I recognized it immediately because I just wrapped up spending 42 hours with that game. It threw me for a loop when I heard it on One Piece.
Geez. Another reminder that the translation inconsistencies between the simulcast, the games, and the DVD subtitles continues to annoy me.
I'm almost certain that Bandai, Funimation, and Toei have completely different terminology rulebooks.
Did anyone else notice the music when Vivi is shown for the first time is straight out of Gravity Rush 2? I recognized it immediately because I just wrapped up spending 42 hours with that game. It threw me for a loop when I heard it on One Piece.
Gravity Rush has the same music composer as One Piece, Kohei Tanaka.
Same composer doesn't mean he has to use the same song twice.
That song's from Movie 6 actually, loooong before Gravity Rush was a thing. It's called "Resort Island".
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Same composer doesn't mean he has to use the same song twice.
It's not uncommon for composers to re-use/flat out plagiarize their own work.
Geez. Another reminder that the translation inconsistencies between the simulcast, the games, and the DVD subtitles continues to annoy me.
I'm almost certain that Bandai, Funimation, and Toei have completely different terminology rulebooks.
Toei canât even keep consistency in the simulcast subs, which was particularly notable in just Dressrosa alone:
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http://i.imgur.com/QsFLOdS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wyOgeHB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jxfSUub.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RSFIjSI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/b25E7Bw.jpg
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So its not just a matter of inconsistency between the simulcast and DVDs.
Okay, you're talking about people subbing this series hours after it airs on live TV in Japan. Assuming there are most likely 2 or 3 people assigned to the project in case someone is sick there's plenty of room for inconsistencies. I'm sure they're all fixed for the DVD releases but I think it's too harsh to criticize them for that in the simulcast.
That song's from Movie 6 actually, loooong before Gravity Rush was a thing. It's called "Resort Island".
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Thank you for the sub screen caps!
I would have preferred such an episode when we´re actually starting the reverie, so it just feels out there.
When the whole cake arc is done and we´re actually dealing with Vivi for a bit longer, a reminder would have been more useful.
