How the hell could Nami says "you fucking twat" when there aren't any swearing words in the japanese sentence. Slangastream
Chapter 850: Ray of Hope
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I find Mangastream's translation interesting.
"I don't want to see your hands getting ripped off either, YOU FUCKING TWAT!"
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Goddammit Sanji you poor bastard !
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Good News, guys and Girls:
There is a mirror in Pudding's room! -
As someone who actually thought Pudding was evil from the start and was still hoping it would turn out to be true by some miracle, I suppose I should be happy with this, but nah. The fact it was explained as just "pretend" even at this point doesn't seem to make much sense.
I totally called Pudding saying to Luffy and Nami she was going to kill Sanji - well, it was more of a wishful thinking than a prediction, so "called" may not be the right word -, but I was thinking something along she having a twisted mind and was actually thinking killing him to prevent the marriage from happening would be the best for him, this would fit her crying afterwards. But nah, it was just acting.
Acting would work as an excuse back when we first met her, but now, after all we saw of her, it doesn't seem to work anymore. Or maybe I just need to reread the arc…Anyways, at least Pudding is not the blandest Mary Namiclone Sue of the arc, so even if it doesn't make sense this is better than the other option. And the best part is that last page, FINALLY Sanji is going to awaken his Hunter mode now and we'll see everybody's favorite Mr. Prince at his finest in the coming chapters. And with some extra luck, we'll have Sanji growing out of his problematic (even if well-intentioned) view on women.
But the thing that matters the most to me is Tamago, sorry. Too bad everything point out to him being inferior to Pedro now - both in their first fight and in this one -, but I hope he is not finished yet. That last cut was fatal, but since this is OP and he can't die, he will probably have a way of completely neglecting it.
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I'm really a little bit disappointed.
I mean how come a Yonko, as Big Mom that create alliances with other nations and groups through marriage, is willing to destroy her reputation!! No nation or group will trust her later if this gets out in the public.
Something is really fishy.Can Pudding be doing this for the sake of Sanji??? And she wants to shake the Germa group by telling Reiju a "fake" plan??? Why not kill her now???
**What I think if this is true that, she told Luffy only to encourage him to move ahead, faster than now, for the sake of protecting his Nakama. SH Luffy is already famous for being so protective to his crew.Also Not to forget, Pudding's memories on Lola?! Any clues?**
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How the hell could Nami says "you fucking twat" when there aren't any swearing words in the japanese sentence. Slangastream
Twat isn't a swear word though.
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I dont see why the drama. The Vinsmoke are a bunch of bastards, if they get killed Sanji wont have to fear about them going against Red Leg.
He just has to help Luffy and maybe his sister and get the hell out of Mama's territory.
Why the drama? Sanji thought that she's his only hope, only to be betrayed like that. Also, only if getting out of a Yonkou's territory is that easy, eh?
Only problem here is that I don't want the Vinsmokes to be redeemed. Personal preference, I guess.
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Good News, guys and Girls:
There is a mirror in Pudding's room!Every well furnished apartment for important people have mirrors, but i agree that Chopper and Carrot showing up there would still be an interesting development and also a chance for Sanji to meet his nakama and make up his mind.
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Tamago has Cook Cook DF or some kind of Food Logia
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three-Eyed_One this Tezuka manga from 1978 is probably a big hint at Pudding's hidden nature.
It also appears that the acid-slime from her first appearance is maybe her devil-fruit instead of anything at all to do with Big Mom.Lots of excitement this chapter, but I still just don't care at all about Pedro.
Will be much more interested in what's happening between BM & Brook.
AND WHAT THE HECK'S HAPPENED TO JIMBEI?
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spit personality is really the only way oda has to make some of the previous parts of the story make sense.
it's either that, or I thought he was a much better writer than he is in reality…but i'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubtSo, Cavendish 2.0? LOL, will that make him a better writer? Oda's not gonna use that again. Ans she already said "acting" herself. Btw, in the spoiler thread, it says Big Mom is the only one who knows her true personality, so that explains all that acting even before her crewmates.
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So Tamago is literally an egg? You can see it after being sliced.
Also hope Sanji will finally do something, besides attacking his captain.
I wonder if he can put himself back together like Humpty since he was cut in half. No way is he defeated that easily, even though his bounty isn't really that high. Sanji would have no probably defeating Tomago if they fought, that is without the infamous power up everyone thinks he will get this arc.
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Sanji finally gets a girl and it's a psycho.
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I don't know about anybody else but I was thinking of Russian nesting dolls when Pedro cut Tamago. Maybe Tamago is smaller than he appears? Also I'm wondering if Pudding has a bounty on her head especially since she was able to take out Rejui quite easily. I read in the spoilers that some think that Pudding might be the Potato Starch Minister since the Capone like blob resembles what happens to potato starch when it gets boiled down, and I can get down behind this theory.
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I still don't get why that slime has the same face and hat as capone.
Is this the awakening of capone? he can creat slimes and place them all over kingdom?
Or did Bm steal some years from capone when he attacked her way back, like how she steals from pedro, and with those years she created the slime homie that looks just like capone and is helping pudding?
Would explain why capone could plan to take down BM, because not only she made him her underling but also stole his years.
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Seems like reiju found out about the plan. Got herself injured in doing so and has now been caught…. I think sanjis patience is running thin!
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I don't know about anybody else but I was thinking of Russian nesting dolls when Pedro cut Tamago. Maybe Tamago is smaller than he appears?
We already got that this arc with Cracker.
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Am I the only one appreciating this?
! Also F*ck Pudding. Honestly I was hoping for something more like a Conis-ish situation.
↑Biological Weaopn of Doom and Destruction
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Why did Pudding cry after annoucing her evil plan to Luffy and Nami? There was no one to fool anymore but… us, readers. And since obviously she didn't break the fourth wall, I wonder what those fake tears were for. If they were fake.
I saw it as her cruelly mocking them with her acting abilities.
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@.access:
We already got that this arc with Cracker.
True, but I highly doubt Tamago could be finished off so quickly. The egg is more than what it appears!
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I saw it as her cruelly mocking them with her acting abilities.
Oh yeah. Didn't think of that.
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@Uncanny:
So, Cavendish 2.0? LOL, will that make him a better writer? Oda's not gonna use that again. Ans she already said "acting" herself. Btw, in the spoiler thread, it says Big Mom is the only one who knows her true personality, so that explains all that acting even before her crewmates.
it would be re-uisng the same trope,but tat least the story would make sense..i take that over some little laziness with tropes
as for explaining,it doesn't explain why she wasn't trying to go away from tamago if she didn't had any intention to meet with the strawhats in the first place..what other engagement could she have that tamago was not informed about…capone? with pudding being a double-double crosser?
also the entire plan doesn't make sense either..there was no need for a freaking yonou do let luffy go so deep withing his own turf,specially when they are folowing pudding's map and so can be easily intercepted and sinked at sea
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Also, you can see how humbly resigned Sanji looks now when he is faced against a Door.
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I just realized that Brook could be Sonic with that afro.
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so pudding is evil person this is really shocking
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Am I the only one appreciating this?
http://i.imgur.com/HC98FLN.png! Also F*ck Pudding. Honestly I was hoping for something more like a Conis-ish situation.
Yep Tamago may be protected from being fried by Pedro's electroshock, but he is scrambling to find a way to poach this badass leopard.
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potato starch can be a an ingredient for pudding:ninja: -
Luffy was talking about not wanting to wait for someone to magically save them. I guess that's foreshadowing Bropper saving Luffy.
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Okay unless she has a split personality, her flashback with Lola now makes zero sense.
Not neccesseraly. She does't want to marry Sanji and she wants more freedom from BigMom, so she can do whatever she wants. That's basically Lola. Only that Lola is nice and Pudding isn't, the motive is the same, their personalities is very different.
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I think Pudding is faking this evil side.
This way the Germa's will fight against Big Mom and they will no longer threaten to kill Zeff, so Sanji is free to escape with the rest of the strawhats during the battle between Germa and Big Mom. -
so…
potato starch can be a an ingredient for pudding:ninja:While I can see pudding being a commander, I hope that is not the case since I want to see Nami soloing Pudding if indeed Pudding is truly evil. I'm still wondering why Pudding is crying when she was commenting on how naive the SH's are for believing in her.
Edit: I wonder if Pudding's 3rd eye allows her acess to some sort Super CoO, where she can see if her charades are being accepted by the party she aiming those actions towards?
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Why did Pudding cry after annoucing her evil plan to Luffy and Nami? There was no one to fool anymore but… us, readers.
Probably to trick Charlotte Opera? lol
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Where is Jinbe… It really is time to now how the game played out
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Why did Pudding cry after annoucing her evil plan to Luffy and Nami? There was no one to fool anymore but… us, readers. And since obviously she didn't break the fourth wall, I wonder what those fake tears were for.
Tears of laughter :ninja:
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i don't understand something what reiju is doing with pudding?
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Like I said before, I knew Pudding was just fucking setting the strawhats up from the start! And yet, I actually like this version of Pudding! :)
I wonder if she is also a commander. If so, then I'll be looking forward to see how she fights. I hope she knows Hand-to-hand combat at least.
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Hmmm so as much as a like pudding to stay evil, wasn't there internal monologue where she apologized for not being able to meet the SHs?
I feel like there are inconsistencies, where there's no reason why she should have some internal monologue.
I think she's still evil and this isn't a cavadish situation. But she is trying to away from Big Mom and live a life she wants, she's just doing it by f*cking over everyone including SHs and Big Mom.
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I still don't understand why Pudding revealed everything to Luffy and Nami, just to mock them?
Hmmm so as much as a like pudding to stay evil, wasn't there internal monologue where she apologized for not being able to meet the SHs?
I feel like there are inconsistencies, where there's no reason why she should have some internal monologue.
I think she's still evil and this isn't a cavadish situation. But she is trying to away from Big Mom and live a life she wants, she's just doing it by f*cking over everyone including SHs and Big Mom.
I too think she desire freedom more than anything else, otherwise that flashback of Lola wouldn't make sense.
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Damn.. that reveal!
Now I'm kinda wondering if Pudding is in league with Capone and plotting a coup against Big Mom somehow. Mainly because her flashback panels seemed to point towards some discontent with BM, and while she was entertaining the crew at her house, Pekoms was getting got from their ship. And that homie that's always with her probably has Capone's soul or something too..
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Wow that's a real shocker. I remember people saying "Now you finally see Pudding is good! How could you doubt her?" last chapter :P
So it seems SHs got powerfull ally right now. So it's gonna be SH+Vinsmokes+Bege? vs Mama. A shame not all SHs are present. Still not sure if it's just gonna be escape mission or full on blown war/fight. Things certainly got even more exciting and fun.
Gonna be nice seeing Sanji cooperating with his family. Maybe even some reconciliation between them? Probably for the moment then Daddy V gonna show his bastard colors again. Unless he'll do something to redeem himself and sacrifice for Sanji? Yeah not very luckily but maybe….
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The father does have some humanity, so it's possible he does end up sacrificing himself. It's going to take a couple of sacrifices for the SHs to have any chance of escaping.
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Cool chapter.
But I still think that this "pure evil Pudding" thing is also another act…a mask covering another mask.
I guess only by the end of this arc we shall known for sure Pudding's true colours. -
Pudding and Cavendish
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It was nice to see Sanji make a bento for the straw hats without realizing it.
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Pudding and Cavendish Best couple ever!!
"Try killing each other" > "have sex" > "repeat"
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The early spoilers did not accurately convey Sanji's reaction at the end. He is clearly in between rage and despair at that moment, his heart clearly broken (putting it mildly!). His next action will almost certainly to free Luffy and Nami all the while keeping up the act of loving her from then on.
Also, I really don't think this is a Cavendish situation. I mean she's kinda crazy but she's clearly Big Mom's "best" child in terms of sheer ruthlessness and someone she handpicked to keep up the act.
Also, big question now is where the Bege faction will go. They are part of Mom's crew, but are clearly in admiration of the Vinsmokes. Would they willingly take part in their destruction? Or is that part of Bege's plan all along, to first allow the Vinsmokes to be killed, personally take charge of the army and use it to betray Mom? He can't really ally with the SHs because he twice tried to execute Pekoms.
As far as the Vinsmokes after this is all settled, I am starting to think Reiju will eventually be the head with her father and siblings either imprisoned or forced to work as underlings in a new "good" army. That is assuming the army will remain after all this. I mean, if you don't use a clone army as a villain, using a clone army as a good guy seems kinda strange and the science itself seems to dangerous to fall into the wrong hands.
Lastly, I agree with MS going overboard with the swearing. Was sort of a thing they had some time ago in Dressrosa where every time someone shouted, they had to drop an F-bomb somewhere. Disappointed to see that return and always with the SHs. Villains generally seem more appropriate for that or even Sanji but instead we get more out-of character phrasing like Luffy calling someone "that fucking bitch." So totally Oda, right?
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Gonna be nice seeing Sanji cooperating with his family. Maybe even some reconciliation between them? Probably for the moment then Daddy V gonna show his bastard colors again. Unless he'll do something to redeem himself and sacrifice for Sanji? Yeah not very luckily but maybe….
I actually think that Sanji may be considering allowing Big Mom to kill the rest of his family while avoiding being killed himself and saving Reiju. I have little doubt he hates his family that much. He would only warn Reiju, but I seriously doubt he cares about the fate of the Vinsmokes or their army
The only issue there is that it seems the killing will take place after the wedding, so Sanji would still technically be bound to Big Mom's crew thereafter and married to a woman who he knows doesn't love him (to say the least). So - eh - it looks like he will have to very reluctantly save the rest of his family
