Nice. Thank god 4kids doesn't do one piece anymore. I could already hear cringe worthy egg puns like Tamago saying he is eggcepital for example:getlost:
Dont you mean EGGsample lol
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@Tamiel:
The best way to explain it is that Pudding is kinda sadistic, and she wanted to see or make sure the Strawhats got beaten, eaten. From my perspective, might as well mitigate damage around Totland, as Luffy could have easily rampaged on each island on their way to Whole Cake Island.
Pudding could become a richer character if the next step for her is to act on her own. She did say she was getting tired of Big Mom. Her introduction box has not be shown yet, so Oda could be withholding further information about her. Or maybe wants to wait for a better spread at the wedding. That blushing after she helped the Strawhats on Cacao Island, bad acting right there.
they could have just intercept them at sea with the same "angry fleet" who drove off Urouge..storm and all…no matter how strong luffy is, if the sunny is sinked he would be dead without any need to fight him hand-to-hand, and they were following a pretty precise map too..so there were multiple spot where an ambush could have been set without really much effort
it would be different if they need luffy on whole cake island for some reason..but as of now Big Mom didn't seem to care about luffy that much, if ny at all..she just mocked him a bit and then left him in that prison.
also,another point that doesn't really make sense...big mom was so looking forward for the wedding...that she knows is not gonna happen...if you know there's really no "cerimony", why wait fo that to eat your delicious "wedding cake", or even to open the tametabako...both made sense before since it was a real wedding and a political one too..so it made sense for her to want to open a treasure in front of a crowd...but now that crowd is gonna be dead..so why doesn't she just open it?@X-Ray:
What if Pedro is the nakama with an eye patch??? We still haven't gotten the character with an eye patch :ninja:
welll i don't think so,but it also depends on if he is going for the stereotypical reason for an eye patch or for the real world reason, which has nothing to do with eye injuries
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@Tamiel:
The best way to explain it is that Pudding is kinda sadistic, and she wanted to see or make sure the Strawhats got beaten, eaten. From my perspective, might as well mitigate damage around Totland, as Luffy could have easily rampaged on each island on their way to Whole Cake Island.
That makes sense i guess. She was eager to go to the Seducing Woods and mock the Straw Hats, but she couldn't reveal her true self publicy inside that shop.
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851 should be out Next week right?
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If the 4Kids One Piece dub were still going on for some random reason I really want to see how they would have done Ace and Whitebeard's death. Probably something incredibly stupid like "Whitebeard has now gone to sleep, and has a habit of doing it standing up. Blackbeard placed the tarp over his body so he wouldn't get cold."
I'd hate to see how 4Kids would censor the war… brrr. Just think of how they changed guns to popguns, water-guns ... and that one time when Helmeppo had a spring loaded hammer-gun. Now take all that and superimpose it on the war. Did they censor swords as well? I can't remember.
4Kids likely would have made the hole in Ace's chest a big black bruise (hiding the fact it was a real hole), cut out the actual scene of a fist going through the body and make Akainu's flaming fist actually be covered with a boxing glove all to make kids think Ace got taken out by boxing -_- -
What's this thing about Sanji and doors?
With the absence of Big mom and Brook, he better not have been one-shotted.
Pedro doesn't entirely seem like a Straw Hat candidate. His flash back seemed quite short, with someone already dead. Also, is his dream just wanting to see the world change?
Assuming Pudding's eye does something, and Sanji is brave(?) enough, what if Sanji kicks pudding in the eye, doing that face scramble thing? Making it so she can't use that eye. That might involve harming her though which Sanji may not do…
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Yep, I had a feeling something like this was gonna happen. That chick seemed way too nice and cooperative to be for real.
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What a great chapter, that sanji dead stare gave me goosebumps
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What a great chapter, that sanji dead stare gave me goosebumps
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Back in Punk Hazard, Sanji couldn't kick open a door that later Franky destroyed with a beam. This, along with all the "defeats", became a sort of meme back then
Smoothie also couldn't get past the door that Brook locked in the treasure room. This actually confirms that Sanji is Yonko Commander level.
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851 should be out Next week right?
Shonen Jump break next week but we may receive the chapter early like last year. So monday after next if we are lucky.
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@Count:
Smoothie also couldn't get past the door that Brook locked in the treasure room. This actually confirms that Sanji is Yonko Commander level.
douriki came from dooriki, the number of doors you need to be ineffective
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@Count:
Smoothie also couldn't get past the door that Brook locked in the treasure room. This actually confirms that Sanji is Yonko Commander level.
This actually doesn't confirm nothing btw. Do you think if you want to impress a girl you enter her room kickin' down her door?
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and smoothie just decided to play smooth :ninja:
"I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"
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I wonder if Sanji will manage to win Pudding over with his chivalry like he did Viola. I don't think the two would have any kind of relationship if that did happen, but it's always good to see the positive aspects of his chivalry. Though I would like to get a bit more info on Pudding first.
I enjoyed watching the contrast in Luffy's and Sanji's actions this chapter, with Luffy pulling as hard as he can at his stake and being willing to do whatever it takes to free himself. It's basically what everyone wishes Sanji was doing now, but instead we get Luffy doing it because he has nothing to lose except his own life. It really helps to highlight the differences in situation between the two. And Sanji's reaction to Pudding's reveal is pretty cool, and leaves a lot of open-ended questions. Sure, he's shell-shocked, but then again the other Straw Hats were played as pawns too and none of them except Pedro suspected anything sinister. Luffy's reaction of course turned into anger quickly because of the threat to Sanji basically being the only thing of importance to him, while Sanji has to accept that the ONE thing he believed would be able to make his eternally screwed life happy was never there at all.
But…what's he going to do now? He's down enough that he might accept Pudding killing him, but what about his family? Would Sanji attack a woman to save a sister he despises, though much less so than his brothers? Does he want to defend his family? Year of Pudding 2017 needs to come quickly...though we may get a chapter next week.
pudding has no reason whatsoever to turn against her own mother, she's irritated by her trying to control her but not the point of betraying her.
actually if she wants to betray her mom, last thing she'll do is injure an enemy and try to kill them. she's more likely to just ally herself with the vinsmokes and tell them before hand about mom's plan so they can make a counter trap.
plus, she seems very proud of being manipulative, deceptive and sadistic. she seems genuinely evil, unlike voila who's forced to be on doflamingo's side but was actually a kind hearted person. if sanji tries to be chivalrous with pudding she'd probably laugh at him as she's shooting him with her gun.
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For everyone who hopes for Pudding's redemption, I gotta say: Look at Luffy's reaction. This isn't like the time he was "trapped" by Conis or when he got "assaulted" by Rebecca in the Coloseum catacombs. He seriously doesn't intent to forgive Pudding (at least right now).
I have no doubt that, even IF Brook is immune to BM's life-drain-abilities, BM still beats Brook. A Yonkou can't rely only on a DF (unless it is BB, who has 2 DFs, but I guess a guy who scarred Shanks without a DF still kicks ass).
This chapter we have been explained more precisely how BM's "fortune wheel" works and what those numbers mean. Maybe Brook has to "sacrifice" 1000 years, but since he is dead, it won't have the effect BM wants to have (Brook's death).Honestly I am disappointed that there is no Smoothie vs Brook: this would have been quite a funny fight, like Franky vs Sr. Pink. A longleg Girl who Shows her Pants like all the time vs a Skeleton who loves to see panties and has no "Juice" to offer for Smoothie.
Anyway "the Soul Queen vs the Soul King" makes up for the "waste of a lot of Comedy". Maybe even a funny fight wouldn't have fitted for BM's 2nd commander, since Cracker was defeated…, well, the way he GOT defeated (by the power of fullness... and rain made by Nami).
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I also saw the similarities between Zepo and Bepo and even their names indicate that they are Brothers at least (maybe they're even twins,but I guess Zepo was older than Bepo). But if the minks' genes are like those of the merfolk, it is possible that a goat-Mink is the father of, let's say an elk-Mink or a reindeer-Mink.
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douriki came from dooriki, the number of doors you need to be ineffective
I wonder what Jimbei's Douriki level is then since he apparently can't fit through the Sunny's doors in terms of detrimental crewmate potential.
This actually doesn't confirm nothing btw. Do you think if you want to impress a girl you enter her room kickin' down her door?
Hell yeah. What better way is there to impress a lady than hoping to accidentally see her nak-I mean, testing out fire hazard precautions with locked doors.
and smoothie just decided to play smooth :ninja:
If she's so smooth, than she should have slid right through that door like Pedro did with Dr. Eggman.
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But even if you're not amused about Pudding being evil, you've got to admit, that Oda managed to shock most of his audience just like Sanji was shocked this chapter. I Held my Hands in front of my mouth and nose when I read this plot-Twist. I was full of disbelief in the very first Moment.
For those who suspect Pudding's 3rd eye to be responsible for her evilness, you Need to look at her first Panels right after FI. She seemed to look like she wasn't OK with BM or slightly scared of BM. But maybe she already acted there for Bobbin's men (I guess not all of them were "blood-sons" of BM).
BM also is a good actress. But I couldn't trust her all nicey-face when she promised to Sanji that his friends would be spared.The title-choice was also good. Until this very chapter Sanji has called Pudding at least once his "ray of hope".
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Don't degrade Sanji all the time. Until now he played along. Not because his life was at stake, but those of his friends and beloved ones.
I hope Oda gives us an epic Moment with Sanji, that we even Forget what he did back then in Arabasta. At least I am pretty sure Sanji will do sth epic. He Needs to make up for the Bullshit he said to Nami and Luffy in this arc. -
I bet next chapter, Sanji is gonna don a mask and present himself as Kukku-King to Luffy.
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@Long:
She has the blood on her leg in the scene with pudding
Oda usually shades borders gray if there is a recent flashback
Pudding is the one responsible for the wound on Reijus leg and its not a flashback.
While telling a story you can first show a result and then show how the result came.
As an example, when the Strawhats were separated and Luffy infiltrated Marineford a second time with Rayleigh and Jinbe, first we saw how the Strawhats got the newspaper with the message, thats the result, after that we learned about Luffys actions. I hope you get what I mean. :D
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I wonder what Jimbei's Douriki level is then since he apparently can't fit through the Sunny's doors in terms of detrimental crewmate potential.
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That can't be right. How did he fit through the doors of Law's submarine?
…Unless Law had to use his Devil Fruit to transport him in piece by piece lol.
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This joke is old and lame.
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Leggs Benedict just cracks me up so much.
I sure hope Oda eggscalates the egg puns.
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@Count:
I wonder what Jimbei's Douriki level is then since he apparently can't fit through the Sunny's doors in terms of detrimental crewmate potential.
for him frankie will make an underwater pass, so he will obviously have a negative douriki. problem is if e bring with him the big fella wadatsumi, in that case you should use imaginary numbers to define his level of douriki
@Count:
Hell yeah. What better way is there to impress a lady than hoping to accidentally see her nak-I mean, testing out fire hazard precautions with locked doors.
To be honest, I think, since we are near christmas, that descending through the chimney would be cooler
@Count:
If she's so smooth, than she should have slid right through that door like Pedro did with Dr. Eggman.
She's way smoother than that, you better recognize
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This joke is old and gay.
even saying that something is old and gay is old and gay to be honest
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Leggs Benedict just cracks me up so much.
I sure hope Oda eggscalates the egg puns.
It's really cool, at first I thought was made by the translator, happy to know it's from Oda
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There's still one more chapters before sanji's redemption, Oda has hinted that in the clock chapters ago.
In the next chapter Chopper probably will meet Sanji and it will start from there. Or something else.
Really enjoying this arc, so fresh
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Using the word gay to mean something bad is quite homophobic.
And homophobia is quite an outdated and old fashioned thing. So get with the times Brazil
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Mr prince mission begins.
Sanji can't act alone since he has the exploding cuffs on, and if pudding and bm find out he knows the truth, then he will cook with feet.
I think he will send note to his brothers that reiju is captured, so they will be the one to free her, not him. then vinsmokes make plan to kill BM family at the wedding because of what she did.
Then he will deliver food to luffy, but he can't free him, since he would have to beat up both books guy and cream guy.
Could there be some kind of romance between capone and pudding? Maybe pudding wanted t omarry him, since they both evil bastards, but bm forced capone to marry the other daughter. that slime with capone's face makes me think he Works with pudding, since he is always around her.
! Hope there is no door in sanji's way this time or the mission fails.:ninja:
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Using the word gay to mean something bad is quite homophobic. And homophobia is quite an outdated and old fashioned thing. So get with the times Brazil
Did you just attacked a country and its people because of an individual's comment? Because referring to a country as a whole to assume their thoughts and positions is quite xenophobic and racist of your part. And Racism and Xenophobia are quite outdated and old fashioned things. So get with the times, friend.
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So anyone think its possible that Pudding is going by her own plan? A couple of things make me think this. First of all why is she telling Reiju this? What does she have to gain? Unless she wants Reiju to go to tell her family of the plan. You could say that Reiju stumbled onto the plan or figured it out or something but the only way i can think of that that would happen is if Pudding broke character….. and considering how she has been this arc I somehow doubt that.
Another thing is that killing the Vinsmokes doesn't do all that much for BM. I mean if they are in an alliance she wouldn't get the cloning info from them? That seems rather dumb to me and even if they didn't I feel like it would be quite easy to just sneak in and steal it or something. It just doesn't fit all the way for me. I'm rather liking the idea that her and capone have hatched something to get free of BM. Capone may have been forced into the marriage and Pudding was somewhat frustrated at BM so maybe Oda is just hinting at a larger problem.
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Considering Mama has Ceasar, she might think that he would be enough to handle the Vinsmoke's research.
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I am also of the opinion that pudding is going by her own plans, albeit still evil :) she wants freedom methinks
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they could have just intercept them at sea with the same "angry fleet" who drove off Urouge..storm and all…no matter how strong luffy is, if the sunny is sinked he would be dead without any need to fight him hand-to-hand, and they were following a pretty precise map too..so there were multiple spot where an ambush could have been set without really much effort
it would be different if they need luffy on whole cake island for some reason..but as of now Big Mom didn't seem to care about luffy that much, if ny at all..she just mocked him a bit and then left him in that prison.
also,another point that doesn't really make sense...big mom was so looking forward for the wedding...that she knows is not gonna happen...if you know there's really no "cerimony", why wait fo that to eat your delicious "wedding cake", or even to open the tametabako...both made sense before since it was a real wedding and a political one too..so it made sense for her to want to open a treasure in front of a crowd...but now that crowd is gonna be dead..so why doesn't she just open it?welll i don't think so,but it also depends on if he is going for the stereotypical reason for an eye patch or for the real world reason, which has nothing to do with eye injuries
The real world reason is to hide an injury as well for most people who wear them
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This is the perfect moment for Sanji to shine. He'll finally understand who his allies truly are. Since Pudding lied to him, he is probably doubting Big Mom's promise to let the Straw Hats live too. I think that, for now, he'll act as if he didn't hear anything, and take advantage of the situation to free Luffy, Nami and Brook (I'm assuming that he will be made prisoner in the next couple of chapters - but who knows?). Maybe with the furry duo's help?But how will things go for Germa?
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@Tamiel:
Considering Mama has Ceasar, she might think that he would be enough to handle the Vinsmoke's research.
I can see her eating churrasco instead of cakes while thinking in an army of giants clonered for the lulz to overthrow all the giants who bullied her in childhood.
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so pudding is evil person this is really shocking
Just like your tits! LOL.
How is this guy getting away with showing those boobs? and why is nobody is saying anything about it?
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For his own sake I hope Bepo was, at some point, part of the Nox pirates. You can't decline the opportunity to be part of the –> Pedro Zepo Bepo <-- top trio.
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The real world reason is to hide an injury as well for most people who wear them
wrong..at least for pirates that is.
pirates used to wear an eyepatch because that way they were able to keep an eye permanently in the dark, allowing them to assault ships and go directly into the dark underbelly of said ships (there was no electrical light,so at best you had a couple candles here and there, no windows of course) without having to wait for their eyes to get accustomed to darkness …they just switched the eyepatch to the other eye and used the already accustomed one to see in the dark...otherwise they would have been at a big disadvantage against the part of the crew of the ship that was already inside the ship, in the dark, and thus way more able to see (and fight).
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I can't understand how no one has started the conspirative theory about the Devil Fruit of the Egg.
Just like the question: 'What came first? The chicker or the egg' In what group would you put that fruit?
Logia: as to yolk or albumine as touched
Paramecia: with the heat neccesary to a hard-boiled egg or whatever shit.
Zoan: It changes to be an egg and plenty of forms.Pudding? Sanji? Who fucking cares? We know that Luffy will escape eventually with Sanji because plot. WHAT ODA TRIES TO DO WITH THE FRUIT OF THE EGG…. Nobody knows shit, i'm shocked, really.
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Just like your tits! LOL.How is this guy getting away with showing those boobs? and why is nobody is saying anything about it?I found it weird and ignored it for a couple of times, but it is still here. lol the first time I saw it, I thought I was imagining things and had to zoom in to make sure:ninja:
Reading this is so weird when you're on the mobile version!
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First Pedro pulling a tails-like heli-move, Then:
@KageKageKing:I just realized that Brook could be Sonic with that afro.
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I was looking at the passage reiju was in last chapter and the lights outside pudding room, actually i was looking at the path Sanji took this chapter and I realized the lights on the wall are different. The lights outside Pudding room is the same lights that are constantly on the wall in Big Mom castle unless there are different kind that i did not see. I wonder if it was an error on Oda's part or their is some clue as it relates to the light and where Reiju is.
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I can see her eating churrasco instead of cakes while thinking in an army of giants clonered for the lulz to overthrow all the giants who bullied her in childhood.
Another reason why Pedro can't join, Big Mom's churrascos are made out of Pedro.
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If Pudding didn't have the third eye I'd be more willing to believe she's not Cavendish 2.0 or something similar. Unless I am just like Sanji and fell for her charm which is possible but I'm not fucking buying it. I am so confused because when we first see Pudding in chapter 651 she looks like she is appalled by Big Mom's evil shit. I think she is good and is ether being forced or controlled. She may have to put on the evil act in front of that evil looking slime guy. She may be plotting all of this like a female Mr.Prince. She's not evil I'm going to stand by that. There is a chance that Sanji realizes she isn't really evil and that something extra fishy is going on. Noticing the third eye on his future wife SHOULD be a giant red flag for him, I know it would concern me if I were him. We will get more backstory and info on Pudding, she isn't purely evil guy's there's more to it she just got VERY interesting though that's for damn sure.
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If Pudding didn't have the third eye I'd be more willing to believe she's not Cavendish 2.0 or something similar. Unless I am just like Sanji and fell for her charm which is possible but I'm not fucking buying it. I am so confused because when we first see Pudding in chapter 651 she looks like she is appalled by Big Mom's evil shit. I think she is good and is ether being forced or controlled. She may have to put on the evil act in front of that evil looking slime guy. She may be plotting all of this like a female Mr.Prince. She's not evil I'm going to stand by that. There is a chance that Sanji realizes she isn't really evil and that something extra fishy is going on. Noticing the third eye on his future wife SHOULD be a giant red flag for him, I know it would concern me if I were him. We will get more backstory and info on Pudding, she isn't purely evil guy's there's more to it she just got VERY interesting though that's for damn sure.
Yeah no real evil lady would have random thought bubbles about Lola and Sanji's well-being just to fool the reader, yeah actions and words to fool the people she needs to fool makes sense but personal thoughts that no one else can see but us is a bit fishy, plus what's she going to do about Reiju opening her mouth before the wedding, they're obviously going to look for her or she's let her go deliberately. But Reiju doesn't even seem fully convinced by her act sat on that chair lol. There's going to be another twist and ultimately she will lean on the strawhats to win her freedom when she sees no other way and then the real tears will come out. Oda will never go through with a fully evil cutie that will require a beat down. He's more than happy portraying ugly females getting battered though lol
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Oda will never go through with a fully evil cutie that will require a beat down. He's more than happy portraying ugly females getting battered though lol
"because she's cute, she's definitely not evil!"
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"because she's cute, she's definitely not evil!"
thats just so naive and shallow. oda has dealt with tons of attractive female villains before, he usually had them square off against either nami or robin.Not naïve and shallow at all because Dranza is basing his opinion on Oda's style + OP's history. He's not saying that he doesn't think cute people can be evil he's simply stating that Oda's track record is having his female "evil" characters be ugly as sin. Granit that doesn't prove anything, but I find it funny that you call his opinion shallow and then you back your argument with "Oda has dealt with tons of attractive female villains before" but I can't think of hardly any unless you are into bird chicks, oh wait there was the soap chick.
