Let's All Complain About Snowstorms

Femme

So, as my city gets hammered for our second official snowstorm (in the beginning of December!?) let's compare how much our snowstorms suck, and I guess the other people who enjoy them can talk about their strange love for frozen water molecules.

I'll go first:

Torontonians will be heading out Friday morning with temperatures feeling as low as -25C with wind chill factored in. Environment Canada meteorologist Geoff Coulson said 10 to 15 centimetres are forecast to hit the city by Saturday.
Winds are expected to pick up to 20 kilometres per hour, which will blow the snow from the afternoon storm and make conditions difficult.

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Ughhh right now it's FREEEEEEZING and I don't want to shovel outside We haven't had a winter start like this in a long time!

Jabberwok

We've had some fierce rain here today. Maybe a quarter inch!

Ok, I'm done trolling and I'll observe quietly now.

Envy

How can I complain about snowstorms when I haven't seen one in years? The last substantial (note: substantial means accumulation at all) snow we saw here was a couple of years ago, and it was only a couple of inches.

Last year was so pathetic, I might as well live in Florida because I'm pretty sure the amount of winter weather we got last year wouldn't even phase a Floridan. (and yet those couple of times where it flurried a little bit, people were posting on FB "When will it ever stop snowing?!" Good grief.)

This year's not looking any better. I mean the weather forecasters are predicting a snowier winter, but I won't believe it until I see it. So far we're following the trend of last year where the precipitation happens mostly when it's above freezing (we had a big rainstorm last year where the temperatures hovered around 33/34F I wanted to cry.), and when it's below freezing there just isn't much.

With that said, I'm probably going home early tomorrow night because it's supposed to snow a little Saturday afternoon. A little. We might get a dusting, they said. But my parents don't want to drive on that, and I don't really blame them because it's supposed to drop into the single digits that night, whatever falls and melts will be solid black ice that night and the next day.

Crossing my fingers for a real snowstorm this year. We had blizzards in 2009 and early 2011, with some real deal cold temperatures (-20 and below) and snow totals of a foot to two feet. I want to see that again… Or at the very least a six inch or more storm. We've been so lacking ever since early 2011 it hurts.

C_uggs

Lives in the southern hemisphere + is summer right now = no problems with snow.:ninja:

Femme

@Jabberwok:

We've had some fierce rain here today. Maybe a quarter inch!

Ok, I'm done trolling and I'll observe quietly now.

O_O I like rain! It smells nice, and it sounds relaxing, and your plants get watered for free. We should trade. Where are you from?

@Envy:

How can I complain about snowstorms when I haven't seen one in years? The last substantial (note: substantial means accumulation at all) snow we saw here was a couple of years ago, and it was only a couple of inches.

Last year was so pathetic, I might as well live in Florida because I'm pretty sure the amount of winter weather we got last year wouldn't even phase a Floridan. (and yet those couple of times where it flurried a little bit, people were posting on FB "When will it ever stop snowing?!" Good grief.)

This year's not looking any better. I mean the weather forecasters are predicting a snowier winter, but I won't believe it until I see it. So far we're following the trend of last year where the precipitation happens mostly when it's above freezing (we had a big rainstorm last year where the temperatures hovered around 33/34F I wanted to cry.), and when it's below freezing there just isn't much.

With that said, I'm probably going home early tomorrow night because it's supposed to snow a little Saturday afternoon. A little. We might get a dusting, they said. But my parents don't want to drive on that, and I don't really blame them because it's supposed to drop into the single digits that night, whatever falls and melts will be solid black ice that night and the next day.

Crossing my fingers for a real snowstorm this year. We had blizzards in 2009 and early 2011, with some real deal cold temperatures (-20 and below) and snow totals of a foot to two feet. I want to see that again… Or at the very least a six inch or more storm. We've been so lacking ever since early 2011 it hurts.

We should trade, too. Take all of mine, take it all. Where are you from, too?

@Captain:

Lives in the southern hemisphere + is summer right now = no problems with snow.:ninja:

Can we trade hemispheres?

Johnny B. Decent

I live in Arizona, so….yeah.

Envy

@Femme:

We should trade, too. Take all of mine, take it all. Where are you from, too?

Be careful what you wish for. This year summer stayed into November. It was like 86 degrees in the middle of November this year.

I live in Oklahoma. I would gladly take all of your snow. But it doesn't work that way. I'll be lucky if we get anything beyond a dusting this year.

MetaMario

As a New Yorker, I want to say that snow is magical. Too much snow can bite me.

Last year I worked hard to shovel both the spot of my mother and this woman that offered to pay me. There was a lot, and the whole thing took over two hours. :Y

Rogues' Gallery

Going to my parents new retirement house in South Lake Tahoe for Christmas. As a previous native of drought-plagued California for well over 20 years, I truly hope it snows a lot there quickly, because I've never had a white Christmas before. So the prospect of possibly having one this year is exciting.

Jabberwok

@Femme:

O_O I like rain! It smells nice, and it sounds relaxing, and your plants get watered for free. We should trade. Where are you from?

San Diego, the land of fish tacos and surfer bros. I only like one of those though (It's tacos. It's always tacos).

It stays hot here through November too. I only started wearing pants regularly about two weeks ago.

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@Rogues':

Going to my parents new retirement house in South Lake Tahoe for Christmas. As a previous native of drought-plagued California for well over 20 years, I truly hope it snows a lot there quickly, because I've never had a white Christmas before. So the prospect of possibly having one this year is exciting.

Pretty sure Lake Tahoe is getting hit by a pretty powerful storm right now, but it's a little too warm to be snow outside of night time. Then again, I was there on October 1st and it actually snowed then!

Kaido King of the Beasts

My area doesn't usually get snow in December, that's generally reserved for late January and February. However, it was extremely windy today, which brought the temp down to the teens. We've had pretty plentiful storms the past few years, including Snowstorm Jonas this year. And given the weather so far, I'm pretty sure we'll be getting plenty of snow again this winter. As a student, I like snow since I'm not forced to work through it and school is cancelled. Snow is certainly better than a day like today.

Enzeru

I'd love to have a white Christmas this year, so… send over that bad boy, will ya, Femme?

Vectorkov

What's a snowstorm? :happy:

KageKageKing

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Femme

@Envy:

Be careful what you wish for. This year summer stayed into November. It was like 86 degrees in the middle of November this year.

I live in Oklahoma. I would gladly take all of your snow. But it doesn't work that way. I'll be lucky if we get anything beyond a dusting this year.

Well.. be careful what you wish for, too snow storms add a while other level of annoying to winter weather. Now I have to leave for work half an hour earlier after it snows, I have to worry about helping family members dig out their cars, and then if you don't have a garage or a underground parking you're basically screwed. It's nice to look at.. but from a distance. A far distance o.o

@MetaMario:

As a New Yorker, I want to say that snow is magical. Too much snow can bite me.

Last year I worked hard to shovel both the spot of my mother and this woman that offered to pay me. There was a lot, and the whole thing took over two hours. :Y

I hope you were paid well!

@Jabberwok:

San Diego, the land of fish tacos and surfer bros. I only like one of those though (It's tacos. It's always tacos).

It stays hot here through November too. I only started wearing pants regularly about two weeks ago.

Ohhhhhh nice. Is San Diego cooler than Los Angeles? Cuz I went to LA this year and I thought it was kinda overrated :ninja:. But yes curse you and curse your pants.

@Enzeru:

I'd love to have a white Christmas this year, so… send over that bad boy, will ya, Femme?

Sure okay, a white Christmas is a nice thing and all, but shoveling heavy half-slush snow? No fun, I say. NONE!

@Vectorkov:

What's a snowstorm? :happy:

Soggy freezing socks of sadness and a sorrowful trudge through powdery frozen water while you fog up your glasses from breathing through a scarf.

Jabberwok

@Femme:

Ohhhhhh nice. Is San Diego cooler than Los Angeles? Cuz I went to LA this year and I thought it was kinda overrated :ninja:. But yes curse you and curse your pants.

San Diego is a smaller, cleaner, more laid back and less superficial version of Los Angeles. So yes, it is significantly cooler and I feel very strongly on this matter.

Outerspec

I loved snow when I was a kid because it got me out of school.

And I love snow as an adult because it still gets me out of school.

Femme

@Jabberwok:

San Diego is a smaller, cleaner, more laid back and less superficial version of Los Angeles. So yes, it is significantly cooler and I feel very strongly on this matter.

That's good! Because beyond trying some great food in LA, it was definitely too superficial and touristy for me. Admittedly, the coolest touristy thing I did was taking pics with Muhammad Ali's star, but everything else was pretty meh. I'll add San Diego to my "would rather have a layover here than other cities" list.

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@Outerspec:

I used to love snow when I was a kid because it got me out of school.

And i love snow as an adult because it still gets me out of school.

I was just talking about this the other day. >_< I work at a school too, but we barely get snow days! Our city is too prepared and efficient, dammit! The worst they'll do is cancel school busses, but school is still open.

Outerspec

@Femme:

I was just talking about this the other day. >_< I work at a school too, but we barely get snow days! Our city is too prepared and efficient, dammit! The worst they'll do is cancel school busses, but school is still open.

Yeah, you have to live in a place where the people are allergic to snow and extremely finicky around it. Like us Marylanders! We get it every year and still are ill prepared so we just shut things down when it's getting too heavy. The only problem is when we get too many snow days and they have to add days to the end of the school calendar because we weren't going to reach our minimum number of academic days. That happened to us 2 years ago.

Jabberwok

@Femme:

That's good! Because beyond trying some great food in LA, it was definitely too superficial and touristy for me. Admittedly, the coolest touristy thing I did was taking pics with Muhammad Ali's star, but everything else was pretty meh. I'll add San Diego to my "would rather have a layover here than other cities" list.

Dunno how many layovers we have considering we're in a corner of the country and the airport is far too small to service the 9th largest city in the nation…

But the airport is right across from the bay and it's easy to take a taxi/Uber downtown. So that's nice. Just come see the zoo. It's expensive but awesome with pandas and polar bears and elephants and gorillas and tons of gazelle and the exhibits are all so nice and cool and...(Jabberwok rambles on for several minutes) and SeaWorld is still pretty cool if the bad press hasn't put you off.

Femme

@Outerspec:

Yeah, you have to live in a place where the people are allergic to snow and extremely finicky around it. Like us Marylanders! We get it every year and still are ill prepared so we just shut things down when it's getting too heavy.

I giggled reading this. It's like you guys live simpler lives than us.

Weather Forecaster: "It's snowing, everybody!"
Mayor: "Alllright, shut the city down."
Townspeople: "Yaaay!"

The only problem is when we get too many snow days and they have to add days to the end of the school calendar because we weren't going to reach our minimum number of academic days. That happened to us 2 years ago.

Wow no way. How many inches does it take for a snow day? Over here it takes like 8 to 12 inches.

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@Jabberwok:

Dunno how many layovers we have considering we're in a corner of the country and the airport is far too small to service the 9th largest city in the nation…

But the airport is right across from the bay and it's easy to take a taxi/Uber downtown. So that's nice. Just come see the zoo. It's expensive but awesome with pandas and polar bears and elephants and gorillas and tons of gazelle and the exhibits are all so nice and cool and...(Jabberwok rambles on for several minutes) and SeaWorld is still pretty cool if the bad press hasn't put you off.

Well my husband and I travel-hack quite a bit, so whenever we're flying somewhere we'll book like individual segments cuz sometimes it's cheaper, or sometimes a reward flight forces you to choose this or that airport, etc. So who knows, one day maybe we'll go to some destination that requires a stop in San Diego.

Oooh a zoo! Sea world I'll pass on though, went to "Marine Land" here as a kid and the sad whales and dolphins put me off marine zoos forever. Honestly I usually pass on zoos too, unless they have something that's native to the area that I can only see there. I went to a petting zoo to see kangaroos and wallabys in Sydney, for example. I kinda like just doing local-experiences whenever I travel, tbh.

Jabberwok

California in general doesn't have a whole lot of endemic species and most of the ones that are are amphibians and some birds. But San Diego is just very, very proud of its zoo in general and the funding/production for it is extremely high. There are always new renovations going on and the breeding program is incredibly successful. Come in the late spring and see tons and tons of babies!

Outerspec

@Femme:

Wow no way. How many inches does it take for a snow day? Over here it takes like 8 to 12 inches.

About 3 - 6 inches. I circled Maryland:

I got it from this article.

Throughout the Northeast, Midwest, and Canada, you can plan on going to school with anything less than a foot of snow on the ground. Sorry, kids. Throughout the South and along the West Coast, they get excited for flurries. All it can take is “any snow” to close school for the day.

lol

Femme

Hahaha, Canada is perpetual dark blue lol. Well that's true. 20 cm is "ugh, bleh", but it's not THE WORST. Interesting, i thought Maryland was far enough north to experience similar weather to us. Guess my geography was wrong.

Cute southerners and west coasters with "any snow".

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@Jabberwok:

California in general doesn't have a whole lot of endemic species and most of the ones that are are amphibians and some birds. But San Diego is just very, very proud of its zoo in general and the funding/production for it is extremely high. There are always new renovations going on and the breeding program is incredibly successful. Come in the late spring and see tons and tons of babies!

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Jabberwok

It's just an infrastructure thing. Why would any of us need snow plows or insulated pipes when we never see snow?

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Note to self: Send Femme live feed of pandas next time there's a baby one

Femme

@Jabberwok:

It's just an infrastructure thing. Why would any of us need snow plows or insulated pipes when we never see snow?

Of course it's logical but it doesn't make it any less funny to the rest of us :ninja:

Note to self: Send Femme live feed of pandas next time there's a baby one

Yes plz.

C_uggs

@Femme:

Can we trade hemispheres?

Lets see… grabs a terrestrial globe, turns it upside down There !! Is this how it works ?

KageKageKing

@Captain:

Lets see… grabs a terrestrial globe, turns it upside down There !! Is this how it works ?

That would put Canada next to the South Pole that is colder than the North Pole, so I guess it would put her in a colder place?

I guess you have to be closer to the Equator Line in this case.

C_uggs

@KageKageKing:

That would put Canada next to the South Pole that is colder than the North Pole, so I guess it would put her in a colder place?

I guess you have to be closer to the Equator Line in this case.

So I guess the better option would be to put Canada in the place of Brazil and Brazil in the place of Canada.:ninja:

Vectorkov

@Outerspec:

lol

Those ultra rare snow days… those were the best.

@Jabberwok:

Dunno how many layovers we have considering we're in a corner of the country and the airport is far too small to service the 9th largest city in the nation…

But the airport is right across from the bay and it's easy to take a taxi/Uber downtown. So that's nice. Just come see the zoo. It's expensive but awesome with pandas and polar bears and elephants and gorillas and tons of gazelle and the exhibits are all so nice and cool and...(Jabberwok rambles on for several minutes) and SeaWorld is still pretty cool if the bad press hasn't put you off.

I'd like to visit San Diego some day. Should be a cheap flight, probably free with SouthWest points.

BartArt

Now I live in Iceland and let me tell you! It's… ... ... 8 degrees Celsius and cloudy.

Sakonosolo

It snowed like a week ago but just yesterday we had all this freezing rain fall, basically coating everything in ice. It wasn't bad on the freeway but as soon as I got off the freeway I had to slow down to like 15 or 20 mph, and even then I could feel my car fishtailing and me basically drifting around corners because of no traction. I couldn't even park on my driveway because my car would slide down it because of the ice.

Envy

Well, we got a little snow. Less than an inch of accumulation. Yet people are running around like its the end of the world. We have officially turned into the deep South. You go just five years without a significant snow-storm and now any snowfall at all is treated like the major snowstorms back then.

le crystal

I used to think that having winters (and season changes) seem fun.

After reading this thread I came to the conclusion that its not worth the hassle. :ninja:

Bond en Avant

@le:

I used to think that having winters (and season changes) seem fun.

After reading this thread I came to the conclusion that its not worth the hassle. :ninja:

Well, I'm about to experience my first winter over here (no snow yet), so I'll see if I can confirm that notion.

Katzztar

Well after 3 days, I finally see the sun again. But it sure doesn't feel like it! It's currently -5 F, feels like -21 F (-20 C feels like -29 C)
Yesterday was overcast and snowing most of the day. Once the show lightened up I went to get food, it felt like 5 F….after the sun had set. It's colder now with the sun shining then it was yesterday brrrr

Talking about snow days, in NE Texas we didn't get snow days. Well it was called snow days but we didn't use them as that since it didn't have real snow in the DFW metroplex while I was growing up (didn't see the powdery snow until I was 18!) instead we had ice and slush. A snowstorm in the upper Midwest could result in an icestorm in Texas. And that is what closed schools in Texas. I still remember the few times we had up to 1 to 2 inches of ice on the ground.

@Envy:

Be careful what you wish for. This year summer stayed into November. It was like 86 degrees in the middle of November this year.
I live in Oklahoma. I would gladly take all of your snow. But it doesn't work that way. I'll be lucky if we get anything beyond a dusting this year.

That 'late summer" (high temps in fall) is 1/3rd part of why I moved out of Texas to Wisconsin?
What are the other 2 reasons, you ask? Why the high temps of 'early summer' (the so-called springtime) and really high temps of 'real summer', of course!

@Enzeru:

I'd love to have a white Christmas this year, so… send over that bad boy, will ya, Femme?

Where do you live? I thought you were the other one in Texas, but can't remember who it really was. I remember there was at one point 3 of us in the N.E to S.E. parts of Texas. But I moved then Robby did as well. Now I can't recall who else was there.

@Bond:

Well, I'm about to experience my first winter over here (no snow yet), so I'll see if I can confirm that notion.

What region are you in now?

Bond en Avant

@Katzztar:

What region are you in now?

Manchester. I'm pretty sure we get winter here, but I don't know if we get snow.

Enzeru

@Katzztar:

Where do you live? I thought you were the other one in Texas, but can't remember who it really was. I remember there was at one point 3 of us in the N.E to S.E. parts of Texas. But I moved then Robby did as well. Now I can't recall who else was there.

Texas? That would be quite the interesting place to live in haha.

No, I'm from Austria actually and lately (ie. the past 2-3 years) a traditional White Christmas has become a rarity. It's especially hard for me as I grew up in the nineties with hot summers and cold winters. Now it's anything goes weather-wise…

Katzztar

@Enzeru:

Texas? That would be quite the interesting place to live in haha.

No, I'm from Austria actually and lately (ie. the past 2-3 years) a traditional White Christmas has become a rarity. It's especially hard for me as I grew up in the nineties with hot summers and cold winters. Now it's anything goes weather-wise…

wow I was waaay off LOL. Austira would be interesting place to from my pov, mainly since I've never been outside the USA.
I understand how the weather change though. As I said before, growing up in NE Texas, it had hot summers and mild winters (rarely got to 30 F) and almost a total absence of snow. We'd get slush and ice, but not the powdery soft stuff. It was 1988 before I saw the stuff… and that was only 2 inches! Other times we got snow in Texas (while I lived there) was barely 1 in and that was only 2-3 times in my adulthood. BUT once I moved (2007? or was it '08?) it started to snow more often in that region of Texas ... once it even 6 inches! Very rare for NE Texas, its like getting snow in Florida! I heard they got snow (the real stuff, not slush) for 3 winters in a row... which never happened while I was living there.

Vectorkov

Well… 27F this morning but no snow.

RoboBlue

Two days ago it was below zero (with wind chill). Yesterday we had an extremely wet blizzard with several inches of snow that made the ground slippery and horrible. Today it's 60 F and we had a thunderstorm. What the hell?

Katzztar

@RoboBlue:

Two days ago it was below zero (with wind chill). Yesterday we had an extremely wet blizzard with several inches of snow that made the ground slippery and horrible. Today it's 60 F and we had a thunderstorm. What the hell?

One day it was below zero and the next a blizzard then another was 60 f?? Where is this?:blink:
Well with that 60 F that wet snow shouldn't stick around too long.

Envy

@Katzztar:

That 'late summer" (high temps in fall) is 1/3rd part of why I moved out of Texas to Wisconsin?
What are the other 2 reasons, you ask? Why the high temps of 'early summer' (the so-called springtime) and really high temps of 'real summer', of course!

Finally someone I can relate to! Everyone tells me I'd hate it if I went up North. But I'm so unhappy here in Oklahoma. It gets worse as the years pass by. It didn't use to be like this in Northeast Oklahoma. I'm not saying we had real winters like the North/Northeast, but 70s (and I've seen 80s, too) in the middle of winter were not a thing when I was a kid. Nor 90s straight through the end of October, and some 80s in November.

I was so mad that it stayed that hot into early October, but now it sticks around into November, which before this year was the month I always looked the most forward to because the heat is gone and it's finally nice… but this year nothing is sacred anymore.

My main thing is that I don't like being the opposite of everyone - I don't like loving Winter and hating Spring. But it's really hard to thinking any different for me where I live. Winter is the season where it is primarily in the 40s/50s/60s for highs, with occasional cold spells which bring it lower. Spring jumps straight to the 80s and has severe thunderstorms and tornadoes, which are really scary. Spring is a terrible season and I hate it. I dread it. Just the fact that we're nearing the winter solstice is scary to me because I know the next seasonal shift is the Spring equinox and that it will be here in no time because time flies by that fast. The disappointment of winters getting warmer makes it fly by even faster. By the end of the Christmas season, it feels like that dreaded Spring season is already knocking on the door.

I want to live somewhere where Spring is a happy time. Where the Winters are cold and the Spring is nice. I have a feeling up North/Northeast the weather of Spring is more like it is in the Winter where I live.

@Katzztar:

One day it was below zero and the next a blizzard then another was 60 f?? Where is this?
Well with that 60 F that wet snow shouldn't stick around too long.

Sounds like Oklahoma.

In the last 8 years I've seen it go from 80 degrees to snow on the ground overnight. I've seen it go from -30 degrees to 80 degrees in one week. I've seen it go from 90 degrees to an ice storm in less than 48 hours. I've seen it go up to the 70s after it snowed in the morning, too.

Katzztar

@Envy:

Finally someone I can relate to! Everyone tells me I'd hate it if I went up North. But I'm so unhappy here in Oklahoma. It gets worse as the years pass by. It didn't use to be like this in Northeast Oklahoma. I'm not saying we had real winters like the North/Northeast, but 70s (and I've seen 80s, too) in the middle of winter were not a thing when I was a kid. Nor 90s straight through the end of October, and some 80s in November.

haha I can relate. When I was telling everyone that I was moving to Wisconsin of all places, they would say "Don't you its cold there?" My reply was ""Don't you know that's the point?"

Yeah, when I was growing up it would be chilly to cold on Halloween. I remember many times having to have a coat or a warm costume to go trick or treating. That was in the 70s/80s. By 2000s it was warm enough to wear skimpy costume on Halloween and no coat.

Kaido King of the Beasts

This is what happened in my area today:
Morning: 60°
Noon: 54°
2pm: 47°
6pm: 39°
11pm: 32°
2am: 29°
7am: 24°

firelord111

I wish i see a snow storm

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Last time i saw snow was 2 years ago and it was just 1 day

RoboBlue

@Katzztar:

One day it was below zero and the next a blizzard then another was 60 f?? Where is this?:blink:
Well with that 60 F that wet snow shouldn't stick around too long.

New York. It's 20F today.

Envy

@Katzztar:

haha I can relate. When I was telling everyone that I was moving to Wisconsin of all places, they would say "Don't you its cold there?" My reply was ""Don't you know that's the point?"

No one wants to believe that people who prefer cold weather over hot weather even exist, I've found. Liking Spring/Summer/Warm/Hot weather is just so normalized and 'default' that people will pretty much stick their fingers in their ears and sing "la la la" if you disagree.

My dad is just dumbfounded by the idea that I'd prefer to live in Michigan or the Northeast. He tells me that there is less summer up there (I'd say, it's more like summer stays within its bounds, instead of lasting 85% of the year) and that it's colder. He seems to not be able to realize that here in Oklahoma it's the reverse - where summer dominates the year. As if it's that's just a-okay and I'm supposed to like that by default. NOPE.

@Kaido:

This is what happened in my area today:
Morning: 60°
Noon: 54°
2pm: 47°
6pm: 39°
11pm: 32°
2am: 29°
7am: 24°

You should have seen it here the other day. It warmed up into the 60s overnight. It dropped down into the 20s during the following day, and that night it dropped down into the low single digits.

Katzztar

@Envy:

No one wants to believe that people who prefer cold weather over hot weather even exist, I've found. Liking Spring/Summer/Warm/Hot weather is just so normalized and 'default' that people will pretty much stick their fingers in their ears and sing "la la la" if you disagree.

My dad is just dumbfounded by the idea that I'd prefer to live in Michigan or the Northeast. He tells me that there is less summer up there (I'd say, it's more like summer stays within its bounds, instead of lasting 85% of the year) and that it's colder. He seems to not be able to realize that here in Oklahoma it's the reverse

I know, whenever someone would say "why would anyone want the cold over summer?" I'd say "skiers" with a smirk. I have never been on skies and with my bad knees I doubt I ever will, but it IS something that can be backed up with facts as Denver and many ski resorts are big tourist spots. And that usually shuts them up.

And yeah, I do NOT miss the "summer makes up three seasons out of the year" phenomena of the south. Nor do I miss living in "Tornado Alley" or even the "Flood Alley" (yes it exists) that stretches from south of Austin (or was that Houston?) to just north of Dallas. I was hear for two years before I realized what was wrong with the spring…. more like what went right lol. In the E TX up to OK (at least, not sure if it go further to Kansas) the wet winds coming from the Gulf would hit the hot winds coming from the deserts in the west and we'd get violent thunderstorms that dominate the spring it seems. And those are what caused the Flood Alley in Texas. Fun times, watching the seasonal flooding of streets and certain streets (in low areas of course) would be closed off quite often in spring.

Up hear of course we get spring showers but nowhere as violent as the ones down south. Of course we get thunderstorms, but not as often. Best part is the spring temps of 60-70 F temps last longer than one to two weeks!

Jabberwok

Additional reasons to hate LA: it's 80 degrees and I'm stuck in traffic.