They only work 50% of the time or something though. So yeah I'll probably end up dead if I'm in DC and nuclear war breaks out.
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Jesus Christ my city is in that map.
I mean, it makes sense and that map is probably intentional posturing too. But still.
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There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.
Uh this is bad right
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Uh this is bad right
That depends. I don't know the Nation, so I'm not sure where its bias falls. That needs to be factored in to any reading if the news. Has anyone else been reporting in this?
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
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Reading the first couple paragraphs I get the sense that the Nation is definitely a right wing publication. Is there a more reputable source for this?
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Reading the first couple paragraphs I get the sense that the Nation is definitely a right wing publication. Is there a more reputable source for this?
A Google of "DNC hack" over the past week is showing the Nation as the only outlet reporting this, specifically. Skimming the article, it also seems to be implying that if the DNC wasn't hacked by Russians then all the Russian collusion stuff is, by extension, invalid
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Wikipedia claims "liberal/progressive" and judging by the accounts that are RT-ing/referencing this on my Twitter feed, leftier than your usual NYT/WaPo
Are we talking "Messianic Left", like the Bernie or Busters well despise the Establishment?
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Oh wait, it's pseudo-intellectual Russian-sympathizing Bernie Bros. Great.
Given how poorly sourced the article is I'd disregard it for now.
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Secretary of Defense James Mattis issued a similar warning to North Korea that Trump did.
But Rex Tillerson would like everyone to know there's “no imminent threat of war” and Americans can “sleep well at night”. I am reassured.
Finally i'd like to share an article where six top European government officials disclose the kind of reputation Fearless Leader has earned.
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The Nation is "dumbass left", yes.
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@Cyan:
The Nation is "dumbass left", yes.
Is there any leftist publication without a seering hatred for the Dem Party
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Is there any leftist publication without a seering hatred for the Dem Party
http://thehill.com seems left leaning but still reasonable.
I try to find stuff that's relatively neutral or less biased than stuff like the Nation, Breitbart, or similar, so I'm not the best judge.
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lol what is the tiny Korean text above NYC. Is Albany a secondary target??
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Is there any leftist publication without a seering hatred for the Dem Party
They're dumbass left because they belong to the club I described in this post.
Taken to the extreme of being skeptical of the entire Russia thing existing at all.
It's part of a new (as of Iraq) strand of dumbass left that has elected to regard all bad things done by any foreign country as false flags being used to set us up for war.These are the same people who cling to any low quality reporting suggesting that "GOSH MAYBE ASSAD IS NOT GASSING HIS PEOPLE, AND IS ACTUALLY A SWELL GUY".
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@Monkey:
Taken to the extreme of being skeptical of the entire Russia thing existing at all.
It's part of a new (as of Iraq) strand of dumbass left that has elected to regard all bad things done by any foreign country as false flags being used to set us up for war.These are the same people who cling to any low quality reporting suggesting that "GOSH MAYBE ASSAD IS NOT GASSING HIS PEOPLE, AND IS ACTUALLY A SWELL GUY".
Buh-But none of the leftist circles I hang around (fwiw: Jacobin [which even posted a Telesur-skeptic article recently], Chapo Trap House subreddit, certain leftie Twitter accounts that pop up on my feed here and then) ever go to the extent of being Assad or even Russia apologists. They just say that the Dem Party establishment is using the whole drama surrounding the Russia involvement to hide their own flaws (especially recently where there's been debate over Kamala Harris and her corporate ties/voting for anti-trans bill) (there was a joke for a while where leftists joking "about how the founder of Pussy Riot is a Putin shill" for her skeptical comments), or try to sweep under the rug tangible progressive achievements like single-payer healthcare or minimum wage (it's admittedly been a while since I bothered to check up on it but there's cases like California Dems stalling on single payer healthcare?)
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lol what is the tiny Korean text above NYC. Is Albany a secondary target??
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They're dumbass left because they belong to the club I described in this post.
Taken to the extreme of being skeptical of the entire Russia thing existing at all.
It's part of a new (as of Iraq) strand of dumbass left that has elected to regard all bad things done by any foreign country as false flags being used to set us up for war.These are the same people who cling to any low quality reporting suggesting that "GOSH MAYBE ASSAD IS NOT GASSING HIS PEOPLE, AND IS ACTUALLY A SWELL GUY".
The dumbass left faction I've seen discussed more often have, on the other board I follow politics on, become known as the "Unicorn Brigade" or, more recently following some debate about the term, "Messianic Left".
Their pattern, as I understood its description, is to find someone who satisfies them ideologically, such as one Bernie Sanders, and throw all their support behind him to the exclusion of all else, effectively adopting him as their messiah.
This often has one of two probable outcomes. If their Messiah wins both primary and election, then all is well… Until they realize the Messiah can not just magically fix all the problems and subsequently turn on him. Obama's meteoric rise and later drop in popularity are attributed to this.
Should the Messiah lose, like Bernie in the Primaries, them the victor is vilified as illegitimate and whatever name calling you want up add. At that point many either don't vote at all, or protest vote for someone else. I've need only look the Hillary Clinton campaign to see that in action.
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Vox also does a good job of being both progressive and reputable.
@Pachylad:Buh-But none of the leftist circles I hang around (fwiw: Jacobin [which even posted a Telesur-skeptic article recently], Chapo Trap House subreddit, certain leftie Twitter accounts that pop up on my feed here and then) ever go to the extent of being Assad or even Russia apologists. They just say that the Dem Party establishment is using the whole drama surrounding the Russia involvement to hide their own flaws (especially recently where there's been debate over Kamala Harris and her corporate ties/voting for anti-trans bill) (there was a joke for a while where leftists joking "about how the founder of Pussy Riot is a Putin shill" for her skeptical comments), or try to sweep under the rug tangible progressive achievements like single-payer healthcare or minimum wage (it's admittedly been a while since I bothered to check up on it but there's cases like California Dems stalling on single payer healthcare?)
Yes, the California Senate has been wringing their hands over a statewide single payer system and it's currently stalled.
The major point is that there's a difference between being angry about ineffectual Democrats taking weak stances and villainizing those same politicians when there are much greater antagonists out there. Progress is slow. Convince your rep to aspire to higher standards if they're not meeting yours.
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Buh-But none of the leftist circles I hang around (fwiw: Jacobin [which even posted a Telesur-skeptic article recently], Chapo Trap House subreddit, certain leftie Twitter accounts that pop up on my feed here and then) ever go to the extent of being Assad or even Russia apologists.
I'm surprised you haven't encountered far-lefties jerking it over Glenn Greenwald in regards to Russia, or Seymour Hersh in regards to Syria.
They just say that the Dem Party establishment is using the whole drama surrounding the Russia involvement to hide their own flaws (especially recently where there's been debate over Kamala Harris and her corporate ties/voting for anti-trans bill) (there was a joke for a while where leftists joking "about how the founder of Pussy Riot is a Putin shill" for her skeptical comments), or try to sweep under the rug tangible progressive achievements like single-payer healthcare or minimum wage (it's admittedly been a while since I bothered to check up on it but there's cases like California Dems stalling on single payer healthcare?)
The California single payer thing is very complex from what I know, and any framing of it as "Good leftist Dems vs bad centrist Dems" is simplistic. There's a lot more going on there.
I'm also skeptical of all the purity test type bullshit, where the existence of a corporate connection instantly creates an evil Dem.But on the main point I've encountered too many who take the Russia thing well past "This isn't all that should be talked about", and themselves seem to show next to no concern about weakening and compromising of democratic processes in the country, and or corruption by hostile foreign actors. As if these are not major issues at all.
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Today's initial WTF Just Happened Today summary:
1/ Federal investigators have sought the cooperation from Paul Manafort’s son-in-law.
https://t.co/mFRLCZ8LF6 Politico
2/ Special counsel Robert Mueller subpoenaed Manafort's bank records.
https://t.co/qySmORlO4q Bloomberg
3/ Trump's lawyer called the FBI raid on Manafort's home a “gross abuse of the judicial process."
https://t.co/51HV3dhWdf Fox News
4/ The White House has failed to coordinate with a coalition of Latino organizations to do ACA outreach.
https://t.co/CLFEvP0R3y Talking Points Memo
5/ A nonpartisan study found that Trump's own actions have triggered health care premium increases.
6/ Key posts across the executive branch are still empty.
poll/ 70% of Americans believe Trump's finances are fair game in the federal investigation.
poll/ Half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election if Trump proposed it.
https://t.co/pjcgdBlG2v Washington Post
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Statler: No you haven't.
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poll/ Half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election if Trump proposed it.
https://t.co/pjcgdBlG2v Washington Post
Holy FUCK. Might as well just suspend the Constitution until Trump can "fix" that too.
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Jacobin and Chapo Traphouse are very very much "dumbass left".
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Come to think, the number of left-media seems too disproportionate lately, the biggest ones are just "establishment-wing" and will go with hands with whatever party is in charge, the rare thing nowadays is to find media that is openly right-wing, besides this Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/PragerUniversity and a Newspaper called Reforma in my country, I don't know of any other right-wing media that doesn't care much about political correctness and spits it out as they believe it.
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The report states that "sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him."
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poll/ Half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election if Trump proposed it.
https://t.co/pjcgdBlG2v Washington Post
The Yanks in 2020 be like
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Come to think, the number of left-media seems too disproportionate lately,
All of the things Pachylad mentioned are outside the mainstream, only one of which is even actual media. The others were respectively…
-A podcast.
-Random people on twitter.
These are not even mainstream left. Ask Joe Democrat in the street about Chapo Trap House and you'll be given a confused look.the rare thing nowadays is to find media that is openly right-wing,
lol at this
besides this Youtube Channel
I don't believe even for three seconds that you are posting the concept of "I only know of one conservative Youtube channel" with even the slightest sincerity.
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The Yanks in 2020 be like
Elections in the US don't get postponed. It isn't worked into our system in the same way as parliamentary democracies, it would be the total opposite of the gif.
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Also wow that Prager University channel isn't just conservative, it's a huge frothing ocean of kooky laughable bullshit. They have a cool vid up with the title "If There is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong".
Ah, Dennis Prager. Guy who whined about Keith Ellison being sworn in on the Koran.
I too am very worried that the media isn't proportionately giving platforms to people whose goal in life is to deny people platforms. This makes me very upset! -
@Monkey:
All of the things Pachylad mentioned are outside the mainstream, only one of which is even actual media. The others were respectively…
-A podcast.
-Random people on twitter.
These are not even mainstream left. Ask Joe Democrat in the street about Chapo Trap House and you'll be given a confused look.I wasn't talking about that list, but mostly in general, as I said some of the biggest media are just business trying to protect and keep growing their interests, I don't consider several of them to be "right-wing media", they just go with the person in charge to keep their money safe, and don't ever swim outside the pool of political correctness, we have many of those in my country.
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@Monkey:
Also wow that Prager University channel isn't just conservative, it's a huge frothing ocean of kooky laughable bullshit. They have a cool vid up with the title "If There is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong".
Ah, Dennis Prager. Guy who whined about Keith Ellison being sworn in on the Koran.
I too am very worried that the media isn't proportionately giving platforms to people whose goal in life is to deny people platforms. This makes me very upset!yeah but the point is, how many "right-wing" media, speaks it out as fearlessly of criticism as that one channel, they don't block the comment section or stuff like that.
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I wasn't talking about that list, but mostly in general, as I said some of the biggest media are just business trying to protect and keep growing their interests, I don't consider several of them to be "right-wing media", they just go with the person in charge to keep their money safe, and don't ever swim outside the pool of political correctness, we have many of those in my country.
What is this obsession with going against "political correctness". What are you asking for here exactly, and why is "political correctness" not something that includes right wing valued topics.
yeah but the point is, how many "right-wing" media, speaks it out as fearlessly
Why are you prizing what you call "fearlessness" as some sort of premium, a premium over whether the content is insane or of course even garbage revisionist non-journalism like so much of what is on the Prager channel.
The point of looking for quality media should never be "Are they unafraid to yell at the top of their lungs about dumb poorly sourced and researched bullshit".
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Isn't it possible these conservative cirklejerks are so unafraid to publish their trash because next to nobody but other rightwingers read their shit?
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@Monkey:
What is this obsession with going against "political correctness". What are you asking for here exactly, and why is "political correctness" not something that includes right wing valued topics.
it kinda sets a line on a journalist's profession between what they want to say and what they're actually allowed to say.
Why are you prizing what you call "fearlessness" as some sort of premium, a premium over whether the content is insane or of course even garbage revisionist non-journalism like so much of what is on the Prager channel.
I find it to talk very reasonable on the self-victimization culture.
The point of looking for quality media should never be "Are they unafraid to yell at the top of their lungs about dumb poorly sourced and researched bullshit".
aah no, I given up of finding quality media long ago, people will always bash media, whatever anyone follows, there is always a negative thing. I don't know any media that is not a target of this bashing-media trend.
Like would you also be turned on to find the left wing equivalent of some youtube channel "fearlessly" decrying all the mean nasty news about glorious people's hero Maduro?
uhm that's not the equivalent, leftist media already does that(at least many Latin America journalist do), the equivalent would be a leftist media that speaks against the failures of a socialist government, which would be even rarer to see and I believe many do actually disagree with Maduro to some degree but don't speak out precisely because of fear of being eaten alive.
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it kinda sets a line on a journalist's profession between what they want to say and what they're actually allowed to say.
You didn't answer the part about why you frame it as inherently against right-wingers.
I find it to talk very reasonable on the self-victimization culture.
I find it very sad that you imagine that to be the only forum for discussions like that.
aah no, I given up of finding quality media long ago, people will always bash media, whatever anyone follows, there is always a negative thing. I don't know any media that is not a target of this bashing-media trend.
And is this something you tell yourself so that you don't have to listen when someone says one source of media is complete garbage? Because it sounds that way to me.
"It's all terrible, so I don't actually care about assessing what I am consuming."uhm that's not the equivalent, leftist media already does that(at least many Latin America journalist do),
Not in the US. What you seem to very very poorly grasp is that the discourse in the US is slanted very rightward compared to much of the world, we essentially have no visible far-left at all in any major media. Which wouldn't be so bad, but that's because the overall window is shifted way the hell to the right, and so the far-right is very visible. Right now more than ever in recent memory, to the extent that a far-right media mogul is a high ranking member of the current administration.
And perhaps that wouldn't be relevant to you, except you're clearly consuming American media, including that Prager garbage, which is far-right.
the equivalent would be a leftist media that speaks against the failures of a socialist government, I don't think you understand what the word "equivalent" means. That and are completely in denial of the existence of political correctness being as much right wing as left wing in concept, which shows some impressive blinders. In America it's still rare to find a Democrat politician who would openly describe themselves as socialist lol, Bernie made such a huge impression last year for being like the only example of one standing in the spotlight to use the word self-descriptively at all in more than a generation.
Part of me thinks yes, this might be because the window is different in your country. But Maxterdexter somehow never comes across like you do, and instead of a Mexican complaining about coverage of Venezuela, is actually Venezuelan. And also doesn't consume far-right American schlock.
> I believe many do actually disagree with Maduro to some degree but don't speak out precisely because of fear of being eaten alive.Now Imagine an American right wing pundit coming out against unregulated Randian capitalism. Totally tolerable and not an instant career suicide button no sir. -
it kinda sets a line on a journalist's profession between what they want to say and what they're actually allowed to say.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/business/media/sinclair-broadcast-komo-conservative-media.html
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This is the quality you go for Monquito?
This is built on outright lies and the sort of psuedo lies where an outlandish un-cited statement gets made that is vague enough to not really be falsifiable. And stuff entirely left out for "reasons".
-Claims that Palestinian refugees are a result of the Arab attacks on Israel. Which leaves out the inter-ethnic violence before the foreign interventions, and frames all violence as a result of Arab invasion. Almost to the extent of the Palestinians being refugees FROM the Arab armies. The idea of Israeli violence on Palestinian Arabs as any kind of push factor is completely left out. They selectively quote one person speaking of one lesser factor in exodus of Palestinians, and then just omit any other factors, you know…factors that actually describe more of what caused the exodus.
-It whines about UNRWA, because it treats Palestinian refugees differently from the normal UN refugee agency of UNHCR. Which surprise is because the normal one deals just in settling refugees down in their new locales, and doesn't deal with the idea of right-of-return issues that land disputes feature. Most refugee crisis doesn't involve ethnic land dispute, and I can't think of one on that same scale that has existed since that time.
And further it only seems unique because of the focus on refugees, but lo and behold it really isn't so unique to have conflict specific UN agencies that last indefinitely. In fact move just to the northwest of Israel and boom. And even the normal UN agency for refugees has sub-groups that are country specific, oh look what I found again. And gosh even in Cyprus they pass down the refugee status to the descendents of refugees? What? Those lucky lucky Palestinians! The only ones in the world!-Claims Jewish refugees from anywhere receive/received 0 dollars. Completely ignoring the UNHCR it mentioned earlier as existing. Outright lying.
This is NOT journalism.
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@Monkey:
You didn't answer the part about why you frame it as inherently against right-wingers
Never heard of left media speaking out against or without PC culture.
I find it very sad that you imagine that to be the only forum for discussions like that.
I don't.
And is this something you tell yourself so that you don't have to listen when someone says one source of media is complete garbage? Because it sounds that way to me.
"It's all terrible, so I don't actually care about assessing what I am consuming."uhmm nope, because it's very hard to find impartiality out there, the best thing one can do is listen to both(specially) the most far-fetched sides of it, and make up your own critical opinion out of this practice, because I came to agreed with their argument on self-victimization, doesn't mean I also support all their religious conservative positions.
Not in the US. What you seem to very very poorly grasp is that the discourse in the US is slanted very rightward compared to much of the world,
we essentially have no visible far-left at all in any major media.
Which wouldn't be so bad, but that's because the overall window is shifted way the hell to the right, and so the far-right is very visible. Right now more than ever in recent memory, to the extent that a far-right media mogul is a high ranking member of the current administration.
I see, this explains your whole position then, we have 9 political parties here, from which only 1 identifies itself as right-wing, the rest are all centre-left or just left. you'd imagine how the media is mostly biased.
but in both cases I find fine that the internet does an opposed force to the mainstream media.And perhaps that wouldn't be relevant to you, except you're clearly consuming American media, including that Prager garbage, which is far-right.
Ye, but falling into the bashing-media trend is no good either, everyone on the internet calls "garbage" whatever media they want. I wouldn't be able to recall any journalist, tv channel or newspaper that haven't been called "garbage" by someone on the internet.
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Alpha dog Trump literally thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats.
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Oh yeah, he also took credit for the 15-0 UN vote, stating that no other President could do that. Trump seemed particularly a trainwreck today. I would have forgotten every question trying to follow him if not for the text blurbs on the screen.
Also, it occurs to me that a great way to waste a majority is to bully your party and try to suck up to the one that hates you. Trump really is losing with a winning hand.
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Never heard of left media speaking out against or without PC culture.
Because contrary to even your own definition from before, you believe in such a thing as "PC culture", and likewise that it only applies to the left.
I don't.
The reason I find it sad is that that forum is entirely incapable of an honest discussion of it, and you are unawares of the difference.
uhmm nope, because it's very hard to find impartiality out there,
And this too is an arch-lazy excuse to ignore quality and standards as existing.
I am still in the mode of genuinely assuming that you struggle with this and are giving in to laziness out of some kind of exhaustion.
But increasingly I wonder, as with so many others left or right, that this is the excuse you use out of an excuse to fully indulge in confirmation bias friendly non-news, and pretend what you're doing is anything other than feeding what you want to hear while getting to ignore anyone saying you shouldn't.the best thing one can do is listen to both(specially) the most far-fetched sides of it,
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You are completely bypassing the issue of quality, completely.
Not only does this not make any sense, but since you went out of your way to include "specifically" it sounds outright insane.
Specifically listen to the loudest insane people and sort through the rubble.
Where on earth does a person come to this conclusion from.because I came to agreed with their argument on self-victimization, doesn't mean I also support all their religious conservative positions.
A chronically dishonest, non-journalistic standard having, confirmation bias glutton source in most respects, will not ever be an honest open forum for such an idea. You fool yourself to think otherwise.
You're exhibiting the profile of the people who follow Trump and Maduro off their respective cliffs, someone susceptible to populism. Loud fearless yelling people unconcerned with accuracy and social sensibilities, must have some…credibility I guess because of those same characteristics. Is your thinking.
This means that the one thing not involved in your process, is actual thinking of the issue. No premium on quality ultimately means no premium on substance either. The loudest yelled taboo is what has value.
All those Maduro humpers you rightfully view with contempt, this is the same thought process they operate under.I see, this explains your whole position then, we have 9 political parties here, from which only 1 identifies itself as right-wing, the rest are all centre-left or just left. you'd imagine how the media is mostly biased.
Yet still no red alarms go off in your head over American far-right material. But hey, when you aren't caring about quality or substance of course that happens.
There are tons of left wing American fools who "rebel" against our situation and rush off to join the circus of english language Russian propaganda. Not caring about quality, or substance. Because wow can you believe the daring anti-American anti-global hegemony things these guys publish?? Can you believe that ACTUALLY everyone in Syria loves Assad except for just dirty terrorists? Whoa! Wow! So un-PC! No one gets to say THAT on American TV! No one EVER says that Ukraine is heavily infiltrated by Nazis! Gosh! So anti-PC!but in both cases I find fine that the internet does an opposed force to the mainstream media.
If by internet you mean youtubes and blogs, it absolutely does not at all. And you are once again showcasing a prizing of whether a source says something "fearless" rather than if there is any quality to it at all.
This will make you an easily lead sucker in someone's scam. Just like the Republicans who voted to suicide bomb their own healthcare, and the Venezuelans who keep supporting a man whose policies mean they eat out of dumpsters.
When you ignore quality and substance, for edgy taboo line steppers who have "the inside scoop" the man doesn't want you to know about.Ye, but falling into the bashing-media trend is no good either,
Are you so completely blind to the idea of quality being under discussion, that you can't even perceive me talking about it as anything but generic media-wide bashing?
everyone on the internet calls "garbage" whatever media they want.
And here is more proof of your lazy nihilistic excuse to not worry about quality.
"EVERYONE calls sources garbage, so actually looking into that and worrying about quality is POINTLESS. So I WON'T".I'll say what I always say to this excuse. If you truly deep down believed in it that sort of nihilism at all, your reaction would be to stop consuming media period.
But you don't.
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I'm currently in an anti telesur rant. But.. I suppose that it should be judged by its merits and not how much it tells that I don't exist, or how much the CIA pays me (still waiting guys), or how marvelous is the Venezuelan diet because everyone is getting thinner.
Nope, sorry, can't do, fuck them in the ass and return my tax money please.
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I'm currently in an anti telesur rant. But.. I suppose that it should be judged by its merits and not how much it tells that I don't exist, or how much the CIA pays me (still waiting guys), or how marvelous is the Venezuelan diet because everyone is getting thinner.
Nope, sorry, can't do, fuck them in the ass and return my tax money please.
No you don't judge it by its merits, you listen to it rant and rave, then find a far-right source and listen to that rant and rave.
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Oh yeah, that's the path to true enlightenment. Listen to both crazies, and… Miraculously find the truth in the common stories like, you can't trust the other, mankind is doomed if you don't do something crazy, and you should give them your time and money.
If both crazies say it then it must be true!
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Re Trump thanking Putin
I've said before, when you're under fire for possibly being a Russian stooge, DON'T DO THINGS THAT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A RUSSIAN STOOGE!
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The WTF Just Happened Today afternoon update
1/ Trump doubled down on his threats to North Korea, suggesting that "maybe it wasn’t tough enough."
https://t.co/PLy3yc8LHX. USA Today
2/ Trump tweeted that Mitch McConnell should "get back to work"
3/ Scott Pruitt cast doubt on the idea that climate change poses a threat to the US.
https://t.co/N8jZ5o0DYQ The Hill
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McConnell sits in his shell and idly realizes that he could end all this real easily.
Then he remembers all the upper-class taxes that need cutting and promptly smashes that epiphany.
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@Cyan:
McConnell sits in his shell and idly realizes that he could end all this real easily.
Then he remembers all the upper-class taxes that need cutting and promptly smashes that epiphany.
Wouldn't Pence be up for that? He's a rich guy, isn't he?
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@Monkey:
The reason I find it sad is that that forum is entirely incapable of an honest discussion of it, and you are unawares of the difference.
uhm not, that they talk one side of a topic and in their own opinion want to hold responsibility on certain factors they argued that provoked a problem/issue, doesn't make it into some sort of "undeniable truth".
And this too is an arch-lazy excuse to ignore quality and standards as existing.
I am still in the mode of genuinely assuming that you struggle with this and are giving in to laziness out of some kind of exhaustion.
But increasingly I wonder, as with so many others left or right, that this is the excuse you use out of an excuse to fully indulge in confirmation bias friendly non-news, and pretend what you're doing is anything other than feeding what you want to hear while getting to ignore anyone saying you shouldn't.absolutely false, as I said I do not agree with all of their opinions and, there is also nothing wrong with listening to what they have to say either.
besides the fact that I already stated that I read/watch/follow several other people with very different opinions.A chronically dishonest, non-journalistic standard having, confirmation bias glutton source in most respects, will not ever be an honest open forum for such an idea. You fool yourself to think otherwise.
you're literally attacking it over sole disagreement, they're just the non-liberal opinion, not the absolute true kings, they're susceptible to mistakes and misunderstandings like every other media.
You're exhibiting the profile of the people who follow Trump and Maduro off their respective cliffs, someone susceptible to populism. Loud fearless yelling people unconcerned with accuracy and social sensibilities, must have some…credibility I guess because of those same characteristics. Is your thinking.
This means that the one thing not involved in your process, is actual thinking of the issue. No premium on quality ultimately means no premium on substance either. The loudest yelled taboo is what has value.
All those Maduro humpers you rightfully view with contempt, this is the same thought process they operate under.I follow several people of very distinct points of views, at this point you probably got carried way too far with one Youtube Channel.
Yet still no red alarms go off in your head over American far-right material. But hey, when you aren't caring about quality or substance of course that happens.
There are tons of left wing American fools who "rebel" against our situation and rush off to join the circus of english language Russian propaganda. Not caring about quality, or substance. Because wow can you believe the daring anti-American anti-global hegemony things these guys publish?? Can you believe that ACTUALLY everyone in Syria loves Assad except for just dirty terrorists? Whoa! Wow! So un-PC! No one gets to say THAT on American TV! No one EVER says that Ukraine is heavily infiltrated by Nazis! Gosh! So anti-PC!I just seemed to be unaware that the dominant media is backwards to what it is here and got carried by it, I've noticed media was more up to support Hillary during elections, and polls appointed her to win, which she did… well, the popular vote.
Makes me wonder and if you'd like to answer this(since it caught my interest), have you guys ever considered to change or disappear the electoral college system??If by internet you mean youtubes and blogs, it absolutely does not at all. And you are once again showcasing a prizing of whether a source says something "fearless" rather than if there is any quality to it at all.
the internet does affects the political/electoral field, it did affected 2012 national elections here, not massively, but it did notably.
Are you so completely blind to the idea of quality being under discussion, that you can't even perceive me talking about it as anything but generic media-wide bashing?
if by quality you mean a journalist with majestic attributes of being purely objective, impartial and non-prejudicial, that informs things without sliding away own political views/agendas, well that's hard to find.
Tho a funny thing I been noticing is how both conservative and liberals pass on constantly the flag of "we're the minority now, the other side is trendy and trendy=wrong" oftentimes, haha that's pretty funny.
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I'm currently in an anti telesur rant. But.. I suppose that it should be judged by its merits and not how much it tells that I don't exist, or how much the CIA pays me (still waiting guys), or how marvelous is the Venezuelan diet because everyone is getting thinner.
Nope, sorry, can't do, fuck them in the ass and return my tax money please.
now that's the funniest thing I've read today xD, but I thought you fled Venezuela??
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The Manafort raid clearly has the Il Douche camp worried.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/john-dowd-manafort-raid-abuse-judicial-process
Also, considering the situation, there's an absolutely beautiful line in there that I'm not going to quote out of context. Read the article to find it.
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@S.C.:
Wouldn't Pence be up for that? He's a rich guy, isn't he?
They probably want to keep Pence out of the driver's seat for as long as possible if only so people will have less time to realize what a worthless excuse of a human being he is before the next elections.
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@Cyan:
Oh, and shockingly, The Nation's DNC hack story is completely incoherent and not worth anyone's time.
Well good! Now that this has been settled clearly no one will bring it up again. Yep. Glad this is over…
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you're literally attacking it over sole disagreement, they're just the non-liberal opinion, not the absolute true kings, they're susceptible to mistakes and misunderstandings like every other media.
I follow several people of very distinct points of views, at this point you probably got carried way too far with one Youtube Channel.
if by quality you mean a journalist with majestic attributes of being purely objective, impartial and non-prejudicial, that informs things without sliding away own political views/agendas, well that's hard to find.
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It isn't about it being non-liberal opinion. It's about stuff that's not actual journalism. There is plenty of left-wing, bat shit crankery. There is no legit excuse to consume that either as though it's real news or actually worthy of forming your opinion on anything. If your point is to go into media to look for faults then yeah, it's fine. But the way you're talking it sounds like you view it as just as legit as any other source. And there are no reasons to consume religious bigotry, conspiracy theories or Russian state propaganda as though it's real reflections of the world.
