sounds overrated
It's not. Yeah, there were parts about it that weren't great, but I wouldn't take back any of the time that I spent in it. I'd even argue that most of my social skills came from involvement in the Scouts.
American Politics thread: No Nazis Allowed
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sounds like fake news to me
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Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about to me.
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Can't help but get the feeling that you are all trying to knock a whole institution based around community involvement just because some of the communities are inherently conservative. Also, tabs, I kind of get the feeling that you never were in any way even close to being involved in the Scouts… so what's the motivation behind your vendetta?
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Also, tabs, I kind of get the feeling that you never were in any way even close to being involved in the Scouts… so what's the motivation behind your vendetta?
sounds to me like you're insecure in your love for The Scouts
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I like the Last Boy Scout:ninja:
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sounds to me like you're insecure in your love for The Scouts
If I was, then I wouldn't have continually admitted that there were parts about it that weren't great. Way to answer my question, by the way.
This was a waste of time.
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Can't help but get the feeling that you are all trying to knock a whole institution based around community involvement just because some of the communities are inherently conservative. Also, tabs, I kind of get the feeling that you never were in any way even close to being involved in the Scouts… so what's the motivation behind your vendetta?
My community was definitely not inherently conservative lol.
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@Monkey:
My community was definitely not inherently conservative lol.
Again, dude, you were obviously never a Boy Scout. This is the main thing that differentiates it from Cub Scouts. Which is obviously what you were.
The Boy Scout Troop is run by the boys, not by their parents. Even though I got bullied by the dipshit numbnuts who were forced into the program by their conservative parents, I also had plenty of friends in the program who didn't give a shit about that. I became part of the leadership not because of my political leanings but because of my social skills and my desire to help my peers and my community. A well run Troop has next to no involvement from the parents, which means that it is significantly detached from the politics of the community.
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If the Scouts legitimately cared about being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent, there's no way in Hell they'd associate with somebody who so egregiously violates every single one of those elements.
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Again, dude, you were obviously never a Boy Scout.
The Boy Scout Troop is run by the boys, not by their parents. Even though I got bullied by the dipshit numbnuts who were forced into the program by their conservative parents, I also had plenty of friends in the program who didn't give a shit about that. I became part of the leadership not because of my political leanings but because of my social skills and my desire to help my peers and my community. A well run Troop has next to no involvement from the parents, which means that it is significantly detached from the politics of the community.
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If the Scouts legitimately cared about being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent, there's no way in Hell they'd associate with somebody who so egregiously violates every single one of those elements.
You forgot the stubbornly long held tenant on keeping out the gays.
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sigh This is ridiculous.
People can think for themselves.
There's shit wrong with nearly everything in society. It doesn't make sense to pick on a program because some of the people get indoctrinated. I was part of that program, and I'm one of many who wasn't indoctrinated. So… I don't exactly understand what you're getting at.
I did adhere to the ideals of the law, and I'm all the better for it. You're making fun of me for being a good person and defending the program that instilled those ideals in me... why? This is ridiculous!
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bandana tied too tight
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Honestly, you all have more in common with the bullies I knew in the Boy Scouts than you might know.
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It's true, people. I'm kind of a silly person, but that doesn't invalidate my experience or my upbringing. I help my community, and am genuinely honest with people to a fault. I hold the same liberal ideals as literally all of you who have made a point to make fun of me in the last two pages. I admit my faults when I am wrong. And I'm gainfully employed and working to ensure not only the safety of myself and my family but the safety of the entire fucking world.
I say that at least some of my lifestyle was encouraged by my experience in the Boy Scouts and all you can think to do is laugh at me because that program can be seen as right leaning, depending on the community. Seriously. You all know fuck all about it, and you should really shut your damn mouths.
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@Monkey:
You forgot the stubbornly long held tenant on keeping out the gays.
Wasn't that something that cropped up during the '80s as way to distract from the bullying and molestation scandals that were hitting the organization during the '70s?
Right around the same time the Mormon Church really ramped up its involvement in the organization if I recall correctly.
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Alright, come on, we all know some good boy scouts. The school I work at runs a local troop. Good kids, polite, helpful, all around standup guys.
Though they did wreck my gym closet on occasion until I gave them a good talking to. Cleanliness was not this particular troop's strong point.
I don't know how this conversation even carried on this far.
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If the Scouts legitimately cared about being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent, there's no way in Hell they'd associate with somebody who so egregiously violates every single one of those elements.
You'd figure he'd a least be thrifty but he can't even do that right.
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Are you referring to any poll? anything?
Hey look quick google search https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/02/daily-chart-10
However, there is one right that young people are less keen on extending to others: the right to say what you want. Overall, fewer than half of those polled agreed that people should be allowed to express non-violent opinions even if they offend minorities. In Britain and Germany, for instance, only 46% and 48% did.
Provides a little substance to the feeling I get discussing the issue with friends whenever it comes up. Also: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
In Europe, where long-simmering racial tensions are of a different nature, compounded by the recent flow of migrants from North Africa and the Middle East, people are more willing than Americans to accept government controls on speech against minorities. A median of 49% across the six EU nations surveyed say this compared with 28% of Americans.
Among Europeans, there is a wide range of opinion on whether the government can prevent statements that are offensive to minorities. Seven-in-ten Germans say this should be the case (where there are clear laws against hate speech), as do 62% of Italians and half of Poles. The French are divided, with 48% saying that the government should have the ability to prevent speech that is offensive to minority groups, while 51% say people should be able to say these things publicly. In contrast, the balance of opinion in the UK and Spain is to allow people to say statements that might offend minorities.
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Alright kids enough of the Milhouse and back on the stupid watergate scandal
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@Purple:
Alright kids enough of the Milhouse and back on the stupid watergate scandal
Enough with the old Milhouse and more with the new Milhous.
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Also a long-time Boy Scout here, and I'm proud to be one. There were loads of cool skills and opportunities I got through the organization that really positively affected my life. I can genuinely say I'm a better person for it.
To paint all Scouts in the color of their worst representatives is to call all Protestants homophobic or all Georgians right-wing nutcases. There's a ton of variety in the leadership and practiced values from troop to troop, in the same way that people can read and practice the Bible in very different ways. Plus, there's a significant faction within the BSA pushing for equal rights. The BSA has a lot of problems but it still does a lot more good than harm.
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What the hell, the last two pages were just pathetic. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Monkey King and Taboo you guys should be ashamed, there was no integrity, no sharing of ideas, no dialogue. I don't even know much about the Scouts, but the two of you certainly didn't do anything to prove your disdain for them was justified. Just a wall of snarky responses, douchebaggery, and what I'd consider to be bullying, while benjamin tried to be reasonable, respectful, and argue his case.
Bleah. So this is what AP sees as 'constructive political conversations' eh? It's pretty disgusting really, especially since Taboo is a 5 star mod. But since you're railing against a supposedly 'right wing organisation' (the SCOUTS of all things!), it's all fair game at AP yeah? F*ckin' hell, this place is a walking contradiction. Respectfully argue for even joke about anything right of centre and you're vilified, but as long as your standing by the dems/against the reps, you can be an adhomineming ***hole all you want. Fix it, it's messed up.
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During WW2, half of the Scouts joined the Resistance, and the other half–----- the other half joined the Vichy regime.
Anyway, there is eve na wikipedia page about this kind of things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_controversy_and_conflictHey look quick google search https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/02/daily-chart-10
Provides a little substance to the feeling I get discussing the issue with friends whenever it comes up. Also: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
I can't read your polls.
What is an offensive statement to begin with?And in the first link, the Turks are shown to be the most pro-free-speech country somehow.
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During WW2, half of the Scouts joined the Resistance, and the other half–----- the other half joined the Vichy regime.
Anyway, there is eve na wikipedia page about this kind of things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_controversy_and_conflictI can't read your polls.
What is an offensive statement to begin with?And in the first link, the Turks are shown to be the most pro-free-speech country somehow.
Turkey's people seem to be more opposed to allowing insults and criticism of religion than the rest of europe. Perhaps living under an authoritarian government in a country that's only recently become highly religious makes young people more acutely aware of their right to speak being stripped away? No evidence to back it up, just a suggestion. I agree that Turkey's data seems a little anomalous compared with the rest.
But are you really going to argue that the Economist and Pew aren't valid sources because you can't read the polls? Just read the accompanying article, that's where I got the quotes.
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Do boy scouts have cookies? No, that's the girl scouts?
Boy scouts are irrelevant.
Unless its the kid from UP.
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The latest from the @PresVillain Twitter.
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But he said Obama was not an Arab, but a decent man once, so he is truly the pinnacle of what a politician should aspire to be.
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What the hell, the last two pages were just pathetic. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Monkey King and Taboo you guys should be ashamed, there was no integrity, no sharing of ideas, no dialogue. I don't even know much about the Scouts, but the two of you certainly didn't do anything to prove your disdain for them was justified. Just a wall of snarky responses, douchebaggery, and what I'd consider to be bullying, while benjamin tried to be reasonable, respectful, and argue his case.
Bleah. So this is what AP sees as 'constructive political conversations' eh? It's pretty disgusting really, especially since Taboo is a 5 star mod. But since you're railing against a supposedly 'right wing organisation' (the SCOUTS of all things!), it's all fair game at AP yeah? F*ckin' hell, this place is a walking contradiction. Respectfully argue for even joke about anything right of centre and you're vilified, but as long as your standing by the dems/against the reps, you can be an adhomineming ***hole all you want. Fix it, it's messed up.
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nah lol i know exactly whats happening here, yall just havent caught on yet
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Ben, I totally see and agree where you're coming from (seriously guys, why are we dismissing a whole organization due to its obnoxious republican figures, as if those few represent the whole?) , but as Robby and Taboo have already shown, some of the staff are just not willing to have a serious conversation about it. So I think your efforts are being wasted here :/
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I was a Boy Scout, and I hated it, but I agree with Ben and Jabberwok here. Several parts of my troop were toxic, but I came to know many other people and troops who exemplified the positive virtues of being a scout - and much of the reason I came to hate being a scout was because I associated myself with the toxic stuff. Of course you're going to run into problems when you're dealing with teenage boys, and the parents and older guys aren't always going to have a solution to that. But oftentimes they do, and I've met enough of them to know that Boy Scouts as a whole isn't going into a shithole. Two guys in my troop saved a guy's life thanks to practices they learned from Scouting, and I've seen several people grow and mature in their leadership positions. It's really no different from public education: are there areas of it that definitely need help? Sure, depending on the area and the people running it. It won't ever be a good fit for some people and that's fine. But it has shaped the lives of countless people for the better, and many of us recognize its potential for good. If one-liners and Milhouse videos are all you can do for counterarguments, then you really have no place talking about this.
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@Mr.:
Ben, I totally see and agree where you're coming from (seriously guys, why are we dismissing a whole organization due to its obnoxious republican figures, as if those few represent the whole?) , but as Robby and Taboo have already shown, some of the staff are just not willing to have a serious conversation about it. So
I think your efforts are being wasted here :/I'm perfectly willing to have a serious discussion, however I came in at the end of the discussion AFTER the angry tirade.
So I make a nice innocent joke to say "lighten up." I have no dog in this fight.
My interest in the organization, as I said, only goes as far as "do they have cookies", and the answer to that is "no." And Superman I guess. I, like most people, don't ever think about the scouts as anything at all.
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Boy Scouts sell popcorn but I have to agree, the Girl Scouts have a much better racket.
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Meanwhile, Portman and Heller have caved and are voting to proceed on Obamacare repeal. Scumbags.
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Meanwhile, Portman and Heller have caved and are voting to proceed on Obamacare repeal. Scumbags.
Well maybe if twenty or thirty other republicans would actually make a stand and spread out the resistance, instead of making it hinge on literally only one person being a swing vote (and that vote possibly being a man just diagnosed with brain cancer) there'd be more to actually discuss.
I can't fault the one or two people that stood against it in the first place for giving up. One person collapsing under the weight of their entire party putting pressure on them isn't awful.
The entire party having that position however, IS.
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American journalists and punditd can't help showing how it's all just a game to them. Except when Trump throws out a dumb meme, then they scream that Adolf Trump will throw them into a concentration camp and expect everyone to rally behind them as the last line of defense against tyranny.
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Pressure? Portman isn't going to be running again for another six years and Heller was already going to be on his way out. Portman can talk about the opioid crisis in Ohio as much as he wants but the fact is that he's a goddamn coward for even entertaining the notion of screwing them over, much less embracing it. And McCain coming back to the floor just to do his old "words of concern" routine and then vote to take away health care for other people with cancer when he will never run for office again means that he's an unprincipled yes-man as well. The party is bad, but individuals who are still a part of the congressional GOP are also bad.
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What the hell, the last two pages were just pathetic. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Monkey King and Taboo you guys should be ashamed, there was no integrity, no sharing of ideas, no dialogue. I don't even know much about the Scouts, but the two of you certainly didn't do anything to prove your disdain for them was justified. Just a wall of snarky responses, douchebaggery, and what I'd consider to be bullying, while benjamin tried to be reasonable, respectful, and argue his case.
Bleah. So this is what AP sees as 'constructive political conversations' eh? It's pretty disgusting really, especially since Taboo is a 5 star mod. But since you're railing against a supposedly 'right wing organisation' (the SCOUTS of all things!), it's all fair game at AP yeah? F*ckin' hell, this place is a walking contradiction. Respectfully argue for even joke about anything right of centre and you're vilified, but as long as your standing by the dems/against the reps, you can be an adhomineming ***hole all you want. Fix it, it's messed up.
But enough about us Afro, tell us your feelings on black people again. Those were always rich.
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Also a long-time Boy Scout here, and I'm proud to be one. There were loads of cool skills and opportunities I got through the organization that really positively affected my life. I can genuinely say I'm a better person for it.
To paint all Scouts in the color of their worst representatives is to call all Protestants homophobic or all Georgians right-wing nutcases. There's a ton of variety in the leadership and practiced values from troop to troop, in the same way that people can read and practice the Bible in very different ways. Plus, there's a significant faction within the BSA pushing for equal rights. The BSA has a lot of problems but it still does a lot more good than harm.
Right I apologize to Benjamin, because no matter how overly serious and oversensitive he was being, he never did something as completely fucking dumb as comparing making fun of the Boy Scouts to prejudice against Religious and Ethnic groups lol.
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@Mr.:
Meanwhile, Portman and Heller have caved and are voting to proceed on Obamacare repeal. Scumbags.
Voting to procede means they're voting to discuss the law, not pass it.
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@Monkey:
But enough about us Afro, tell us your feelings on black people again. Those were always rich.
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Right I apologize to Benjamin, because no matter how overly serious and oversensitive he was being, he never did something as completely fucking dumb as comparing making fun of the Boy Scouts to prejudice against Religious and Ethnic groups lol.
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Voting to procede means they're voting to discuss the law, not pass it.
Your confused because your brain probably rejected the idea of something so stuffy and bureaucratic and semi-meaningless being put to vote.Either way it's still proceeding with the repeal process.
At this point I think the hope is that they can't hammer out something that'll appeal to enough of one set of Republicans without alienating the other.
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Right… Heller could just see this as more potentially good PR for him. He shows he's reasonable by going ahead with the "discussion" part (which...should happen? I mean, it should be happening in the light instead of in McTurtleton's broom closet, if it's going to happen at all?) and then gets to vote down some abominable 3rd/4th/5th version of the bill again anyway. Not sure what Portman's long game is.
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Question: If all this passes and goes back to the House, if the House changes the bill before passing it does it go back to the Senate once again and, if so, what if it all takes so long reconciliation can't be used anymore?
That's been the Republicans' biggest club to brute force it all through.
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Mike Pence is a gigantic piece of shit.
