Chapter 849 - Bropper in Mirrorland
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Without having even started the chapter, the title is giving me TOO MUCH hope. . .
. . .let's NOT get disappointed, please!
EDIT: Ok, midway through the chapter, and this is AWESOME.
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If Oda skips Brook VS Big Mom (or whatever happens) I am going to be so angry
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Ahahahaha. This chapter made me excited even when I read the Korean scans. Reading it in English was just about perfect.
Spoiler:
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AU where Big Mom ran into Brook first and asked him to join her crew. That's gotta be a thing, right?
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The most creative cover request that I've ever read in OP (y)
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Oh hell, this was the best chapter since I can't remember when. Seriously, that panel with Bropper slaming Noble Croc down was nothing short of epic. And honoured esteemed gentleman Soul King was nothing short of awesome. Take that, Yonkou crew.
Wonder how he survives BM, though.
Pedro having his life shortened sucks, but maybe he can get it back. This is OP.
So, guesses on who hurt Reiju? Without any kind of time frame it's dificult to tell. If it's someone outside the Vinsmokes then Capone seems like a natural choice. Maybe he wants to stop the alliance by framing her death on BM or something. Too little info.
Btw, how long until new cover story? I lost count.
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Is there anyone besides Pudding that might've beat up Reiju?
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Oh, I love chapters where Oda press the Randomness Button multiple times.
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Chapter was pretty cool, however I was confused with the Vinsmoke interaction. Why are the Vinsmokes so sure Big Mom will let them take Pudding hostage? Also why are they talking so reckless in front of the green and black teas? Also why is Niji so excited to have Sanji back, Sanji can kick his ass. I was very entertained with the Bropper fights, but why did Bruele not know that it was a frog that just looked like a rabbit. Going to re-read.
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Is there anyone besides Pudding that might've beat up Reiju?
That's interesting too, I guess.
It seems Pudding was leaning more on the escape, but maybe Reiju caught her or something. And maybe she's not as innocent as she lets on.
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Also, amazing at Midoriya as Sanji and Aster as Zoro.
And Yuuna as Nami, Emma as Chopper….Can we get someone to do a list here?
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So, guesses on who hurt Reiju?
I'm still of the idea that Pudding did it. This chapter Judge said they will have to take her as a hostage so BM won't be able to hurt them after the wedding. They know what kind of crazy they're dealing with here. Well, maybe Pudding thought that the best way to give Sanji his freedom back is if the Germa themselves backed off on the wedding arrangement – and what better way to convince them to do so other than having the bride-to-be going on a little psycho spree attacking the Vinsmoke?
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I was very entertained with the Bropper fights, but why did Bruele not know that it was a frog that just looked like a rabbit. Going to re-read.
Because she forgot her ability could turn animals into people, I guess.
Maybe it was all that steam from cooking. Or she's suffering from dementia.
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Also, amazing at Midoriya as Sanji
Which makes total sense, since Mido also uses his kicks for combat.
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Interesting chapter, SHs, still have a surprise, Chopper in control of mirror world is big escape port for everyone without them noticing. The Battle between Big mom and Brook is like Enel and Luffy but Brook still need to make copy of Polygliff and escape. Big Mom can't hurt him. Pedro will defeat Tamago, Bomb will disable Mont D'or, Luffy and Nami escapes, the big question is still Sanji, how do you make him leave?
Wondering who is strong enough to leave Reiju is such a state.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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I'm glad to see team Chopper shine in this chapter, but I am the only who find it VERY covenient that Brulée couldn't make the distinction between a Carrot clone and the real alone? And nobody hears the "ribbit" in Brulée team despite the clone being just a few meters from them?:wassat:
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Really great chapter! Interesting stuff about Pedro and Reiju, too bad we have to wait two weeks til the next chapter. Chopper and Carrot finally defeating those in the Mirror World was great
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I'm glad to see team Chopper shine in this chapter, but I am the only who find it VERY covenient that Brulée couldn't make the distinction between a Carrot clone and the real alone? And nobody hears the "ribbit" in Brulée team despite the clone being just a few meters from them?:wassat:
You didn't noticed Carrot disguising the shouts?
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What if Pudding has actually her own agenda and she has team up with Capone and they both did that to Reiju. I hope Pudding is the last of the Sweet Commaders and she is betraying Big Mom just like Lola did.
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You didn't noticed Carrot disguising the shouts?
Don't take me for an idiot please, people can hear several sound at the same time and the clone was really close from Brulée. I have the right to find it too convenient.
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So.
On one hand, I would've enjoyed 2-3 chapters of these multiple scenarios EASILY. The Chopper-Carrot scenario alone was filled to the fucking brim with great designs and possibilities. Brulee and, to a lesser degree, Randolph already had a bit of action beforehand, but Diesel and Noble Croc did nothing, so it feels a bit of a waste to thrash them so fast. Same with the two bulky dudes in the Treasure Room Brook took care of so easily. I kinda liked their designs.
On the other hand. . .BOY was this an awesome display of awesomeness! Chopper and Brook were great, that goes without saying, but I'll have to hand it to Carrot here. How many guys did she just floor in a fucking second? And I just love that it was a believable turn of events: It's not that these guys were weak, this was just a perfectly timed assault they were not expecting at all.
And the exchange between Pedro and Tamago was awesome. The art, once again, shines like crazy here. I want to see just a couple of panels of them duking it out, please pretty please?
And finally, the last page was like "WHAT?".
Exciting stuff all around. I can see Oda is hitting the "go go go go!" button, the thing it's been worrying half the forum for the past week, but if the next 20-30 chapters are all like these? Holy ass. . .
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Reiju… just giving birth???
Yes we can
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Chapter was pretty cool, however I was confused with the Vinsmoke interaction. Why are the Vinsmokes so sure Big Mom will let them take Pudding hostage? Also why are they talking so reckless in front of the green and black teas? Also why is Niji so excited to have Sanji back, Sanji can kick his ass. I was very entertained with the Bropper fights, but why did Bruele not know that it was a frog that just looked like a rabbit. Going to re-read.
16 charaters of zeff
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Don't take me for an idiot please, people can hear several sound at the same time and the clone was really close from Brulée. I have the right to find it too convenient.
I don't think frogs are that loud either.
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Because she forgot her ability could turn animals into people, I guess.
Maybe it was all that steam from cooking. Or she's suffering from dementia.
Hm, the Brulee part was a little too quick and a little too easy for my liking. It's nice that not everyone has haki and unlimited toughness and some enemies can still be caught off-guard, but going as far as to simply forget one's powers and not even land a single counter-strike feels too much like a plot-driven victory. I usually prefer when the opposing force …exists at all.
Then again this is not unlike the Jola situation, where enemies with mind-based powers can barely fend for themselves in combat and at least the pace is faster. All in all, I'm not going to complain
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I'm glad to see team Chopper shine in this chapter, but I am the only who find it VERY covenient that Brulée couldn't make the distinction between a Carrot clone and the real alone? And nobody hears the "ribbit" in Brulée team despite the clone being just a few meters from them?:wassat:
maybe that's why carrot was talking te whole time? to not let them hear the ribbit from the frog
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The Battle between Big mom and Brook is like Enel and Luffy but Brook still need to make copy of Polygliff and escape. Big Mom can't hurt him.
You mean other than by grinding his bones to dust, I presume ?
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I'm glad to see team Chopper shine in this chapter, but I am the only who find it VERY covenient that Brulée couldn't make the distinction between a Carrot clone and the real alone? And nobody hears the "ribbit" in Brulée team despite the clone being just a few meters from them?:wassat:
The truly weird thing is how and why the frog-Carrot got created, and how they got mixed up. Overall I appreciate Chopper and Carrot getting something to do, but this whole scenario was set up extremely clunkily, and the whole thing is hurt by how completely fragmented this whole plotline has been. Like, Brülee has appeared so little since getting electrocuted that seeing her getting electrocuted again doesn't leave much impact. Also, I guess Randolph is out now. Bye Randolph!
Its not that it isn't entertaining to see Chopper throw a giant crocodile man, or see Carrot tackle train-guy, but everything just needed more buildup.
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There are only Katakuri and Capone who are free and capable of hurting super human. But I don't see why Katakuri would do so. Capone adores Vinsmokes which cancels this version as well. That's why I think Ichiji was the one who hurt Reiju, even though he pretends to know nothing about her location. He seems like a sadistic maniac who hates everything good connected with Sanji.
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There are only Katakuri and Capone who are free and capable of hurting super human. But I don't see why Katakuri would do so. Capone adores Vinsmokes which cancels this version as well. That's why I think Ichiji was the one who hurt Reiju, even though he pretends to know nothing about her location. He seems like a sadistic maniac who hates everything good connected with Sanji.
you are confusing him with Vito
if anything,i'd say capone is the biggest suspect right now,he is the one with the secret plan after all, no need of another one -
@Daz:
The truly weird thing is how and why the frog-Carrot got created, and how they got mixed up. Overall I appreciate Chopper and Carrot getting something to do, but this whole scenario was set up extremely clunkily, and the whole thing is hurt by how completely fragmented this whole plotline has been. Like, Brülee has appeared so little since getting electrocuted that seeing her getting electrocuted again doesn't leave much impact. Also, I guess Randolph is out now. Bye Randolph!
Its not that it isn't entertaining to see Chopper throw a giant crocodile man, or see Carrot tackle train-guy, but but everything just needed more buildup.
It isn't feasible to build-up all the interactions with the named characters in an arc of this scale.
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Noda Skywalker's request again??
maybe he actually was N[ODA] Skywalker
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@Daz:
The truly weird thing is how and why the frog-Carrot got created, and how they got mixed up.
I'm guessing the theory is that they somehow snatched one in the forest, but the explanation for when and how they managed this cannot withstand close scrutiny. Not to mention how it was brought to the mirror world and switched with the real carrot. Altogether I agree that the whole sequence feels rushed.
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you are confusing him with Vito
if anything,i'd say capone is the biggest suspect right now,he is the one with the secret plan after all, no need of another oneCapone indeed has some plans against Mama. But I'm convinced it was Ichiji :)
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Capone indeed has some plans against Mama. But I'm convinced it was Ichiji :)
I think it's neither of the the Vinsmoke men. If everything is happening in real time, there's no way any of them would have time to fight with Reiju. Unless it was done before the tea, but neither of them had any traces of fighting.
So, Capone and his gang, Pudding, Potato…
Who else?
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Mona might go for another wedding tomorrow.. Look at the heart… Love struck by soul King!
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It isn't feasible to build-up all the interactions with the named characters in an arc of this scale.
No, not if you cut corners and forcibly accelerate the pacing for specific plotlines. Allotting more time to the Chopper-Carrot plotline and its players could have alleviated this. Yes, it'd have made the arc longer, Oda is getting older, the series need to end at some point etc.; but those points don't change the fact that the scene would've had more impact if the setup had been more fluid, and we'd had a bit more investment in the opponents Chopper and Carrot are escaping.
Besides, I'd argue that besides Big Mom herself, her arc has shown an overall surprising dearth of distinct personalities in its new characters, despite their elaborate visuals.
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Yeah, carrots situation seems a little bit doubtful, but at least Oda made the ribbit speech bubble the first time we saw her tied up so he had that planned but the explanation could have been a bit better
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Oh boyyyy!!!!!Fragmented storylines,extreme jumps between plot points,enemies that barely do anything before they are taken out in one hit,main characters taking action for a few pages after years of absence and the complete lack of decent fights all in one chapter!
And we have 25 more of this,just in order to get quickly to Wano,the pay-off of the pay-offs!
We have been hearing for this Wano from before we land to Punk Hazzard,so why don't we rush everything between?No problem,Wano will fix everything up!!!:getlost:
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Oh boyyyy!!!!!Fragmented storylines,extreme jumps between plot points,enemies that barely do anything before they are taken out in one hit,main characters taking action for a few pages after years of absence and the complete lack of decent fights all in one chapter!
And we have 25 more of this,just in order to get quickly to Wano,the pay-off of the pay-offs!
We have been hearing for this Wano from before we land to Punk Hazzard,so why don't we rush everything between?No problem,Wano will fix everything up!!!:getlost:
This was so dumb that I can't see it straight.
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I think it's neither of the the Vinsmoke men. If everything is happening in real time, there's no way any of them would have time to fight with Reiju. Unless it was done before the tea, but neither of them had any traces of fighting.
So, Capone and his gang, Pudding, Potato…
Who else?
Pudding ? She isn't even elite fighter in Mama's crew. How she supposed to injure a super human ?
Capone may have done it. But due to the fact that she is alive, I think it was punishment because she helped Sanji.
Who knows, perhaps there are some unknown forces that would be revealed in near future. -
Hm, the Brulee part was a little too quick and a little too easy for my liking. It's nice that not everyone has haki and unlimited toughness and some enemies can still be caught off-guard, but going as far as to simply forget one's powers and not even land a single counter-strike feels too much like a plot-driven victory. I usually prefer when the opposing force …exists at all.
Then again this is not unlike the Jola situation, where enemies with mind-based powers can barely fend for themselves in combat and at least the pace is faster. All in all, I'm not going to complainI get what you are saying, but the more I read the comments and think back on it, I think water might have been Brulee's weakness. Kind of like a wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz, because everyone was like we need to help Brulee quickly almost as if the water would damage her more than anyone else.
@Murcielago:There are only Katakuri and Capone who are free and capable of hurting super human. But I don't see why Katakuri would do so. Capone adores Vinsmokes which cancels this version as well. That's why I think Ichiji was the one who hurt Reiju, even though he pretends to know nothing about her location. He seems like a sadistic maniac who hates everything good connected with Sanji.
I will have to disagree, how could Ichiji be that strong to be able to beat up Reiju and not get a few bumps and bruises as well. I just don't believe they could have that large of a power gap between her and him, especially since she is the oldest.
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Oh boyyyy!!!!!Fragmented storylines,extreme jumps between plot points,enemies that barely do anything before they are taken out in one hit,main characters taking action for a few pages after years of absence and the complete lack of decent fights all in one chapter!
And we have 25 more of this,just in order to get quickly to Wano,the pay-off of the pay-offs!
We have been hearing for this Wano from before we land to Punk Hazzard,so why don't we rush everything between?No problem,Wano will fix everything up!!!:getlost:
Careful there, some people will get butthurt over your opinion. :ninja:
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sso… anyone else wondering, why a carrot-clone was in the mirrorworld to begin with?
Anyway, probably the least interesting chapter to me in a while. No progress regarding any situation really, except Chopper and Carrot breaking free. And maybe the Vinsmoke discussion about taking Pudding hostage. The rest was basically just setting up scenes to come.
But I didn not expect Big Mom to confront Brook this quick.
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Pudding ? She isn't even elite fighter in Mama's crew. How she supposed to injure a super human ?
Capone may have done it. But due to the fact that she is alive, I think it was punishment because she helped Sanji.
Who knows, perhaps there are some unknown forces that would be revealed in near future.Yes Pudding. The woman who has yet to uncover her third eye which might mean she has an ability she's hiding which might be potent enough to injure a super human.
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Pudding ? She isn't even elite fighter in Mama's crew. How she supposed to injure a super human ?
.Now. Now. Let's not jump to conclusions too fast.
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@Daz:
The truly weird thing is how and why the frog-Carrot got created, and how they got mixed up. Overall I appreciate Chopper and Carrot getting something to do, but this whole scenario was set up extremely clunkily, and the whole thing is hurt by how completely fragmented this whole plotline has been. Like, Brülee has appeared so little since getting electrocuted that seeing her getting electrocuted again doesn't leave much impact. Also, I guess Randolph is out now. Bye Randolph!
Its not that it isn't entertaining to see Chopper throw a giant crocodile man, or see Carrot tackle train-guy, but everything just needed more buildup.
I'm pretty sure she was created all the way back when Brulee made all the decoys that Luffy found. She had to have done that at some point.
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Pudding ? She isn't even elite fighter in Mama's crew. How she supposed to injure a super human ?
Capone may have done it. But due to the fact that she is alive, I think it was punishment because she helped Sanji.
Who knows, perhaps there are some unknown forces that would be revealed in near future.Punishment by who? Germa? They don't even know where she is. Big Mom? What aid has she given Sanji that could provoke that from anyone on her side?
Pudding is possible only because we don't know what powers, if any, she has.
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@Daz:
No, not if you cut corners and forcibly accelerate the pacing for specific plotlines. Allotting more time to the Chopper-Carrot plotline and its players could have alleviated this. Yes, it'd have made the arc longer, Oda is getting older, the series need to end at some point etc.; but those points don't change the fact that the scene would've had more impact if the setup had been more fluid, and we'd had a bit more investment in the opponents Chopper and Carrot are escaping.
Besides, I'd argue that besides Big Mom herself, her arc has shown an overall surprising dearth of distinct personalities in its new characters, despite their elaborate visuals.
People do apparently feel things are being sped-up. Every week it's a conversation point.
Personally i'm not noticing it. The speed of which the plot moves feels entirely natural to the plotline.
Devoting entire chapters to building up each of of the 25 minor roadblocks would just throw of the pacing.
