I was wondering if the griffin big mom's talking about is the bird from torino kingdom and the long-arm long-leg man is one of the crew of the old brook's manager
that would be so funny
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Chapter 847 - Luffy and Big Mom
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Also, it must be someone who has the access to Uranus. I don't see any other power that can defeat all of the yonko. Especially Whitebeard.
There are plenty of possibilities that could give a Yonko hopes of rising above the others. Such as an alliance with Elbaf or the Celestial Dragons similar to what Doflamingo tried to do.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Man, I absolutely loved Luffy's attitude in this chapter, always confident and pissed off "I've been through this before and I'm not impressed. I don't give a damn that you're a Yonko, makes no difference." I can't wait till they eventually duke it out.
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OK, that crocodile guy was hilarious. Also Carrot being afraid of Pedro of all things in her current situation
Regarding BM´s issue with Giants. What if it´s an inferiority complex because she´s actually a giant, but too small for their kind? Like some smaller people in the real world who get very powerful (in politics), they despise anyone taller than them, because that´s something they cannot change, no matter what their status is.
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I'm surprised Lola rejected a Wedding.
"For nothing but a drop of water… We take an innocent life! What horrible times!"
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what i think is that Big Mom was kicked in Elbaf my giant mens because she wanted to rule but she was a women. Also because she doesnt want someone taller than her ( thats why Caesar will use the potion on Luffy so he can final hit Big Mom)
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Man, I absolutely loved Luffy's attitude in this chapter, always confident and pissed off "I've been through this before and I'm not impressed. I don't give a damn that you're a Yonko, makes no difference." I can't wait till they eventually duke it out.
Eh, I don't see Big Mom going down in this arc. I think it'll end with Luffy escaping with Sanji having destroyed or ruined all of Big Mom's plans. I don't see how half (the weaker half IMO) of the straw hats, can take down a yonko's crew. That would be some major BS on Oda's part.
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Eh, I don't see Big Mom going down in this arc. I think it'll end with Luffy escaping with Sanji having destroyed or ruined all of Big Mom's plans. I don't see how half (the weaker half IMO) of the straw hats, can take down a yonko's crew. That would be some major BS on Oda's part.
Ending a major arc without defeating the big bad would be an interesting direction to go in. I would accept it in this case since Big Mom isn't just your average villain.
Oda does seem to be hinting at that direction with Luffy and Big Mom's conversation.
It could be that the Vinsmokes are going to be taken down in lieu of Big Mom and that this arc is just a set up for her confrontation with Luffy.
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what i think is that Big Mom was kicked in Elbaf my giant mens because she wanted to rule but she was a women. Also because she doesnt want someone taller than her ( thats why Caesar will use the potion on Luffy so he can final hit Big Mom)
I don't think she is a giant in the first place, specially from Elbaf.
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Ending a major arc without defeating the big bad would be an interesting direction to go in. I would accept it in this case since Big Mom isn't just your average villain.
Oda does seem to be hinting at that direction with Luffy and Big Mom's conversation.
It could be that the Vinsmokes are going to be taken down in lieu of Big Mom and that this arc is just a set up for her confrontation with Luffy.
Big Mom does not have to be the big bad though. When she most likely goes into a mental illness rage and gets hit by the bomb, the Vinsmokes and/or Capone can take over.
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While I'm sad we only got a glimpse of Chopper, Carrot, and Brook, any chapter that has Big Mom in it is always great. Her facial expressions are always great, and she's just a fun character. Her in the chair showing the book to the Vinsmokes was pretty funny, then an innocent scene quickly became a very creepy scene. If there was a highlight for me though, it would be the Big Mom transponder snail, because that was just glorious in its own right. I always like seeing those.
The conversation was overall good, but the only thing that really stood out to me was Lola and the whole marriage thing (and the treasure that will explode on the wedding day). Hope to get some detail on that story later in the arc. Looks like we got an idea of what it takes to truly stop Big Mom from forgiving someone, and Pudding really dodged a bullet by Sanji agreeing to the terms.
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And Griffin got captured? So he finally got what he deserved all along!
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"What a boring story, Big Mom!"
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Eh, I don't see Big Mom going down in this arc. I think it'll end with Luffy escaping with Sanji having destroyed or ruined all of Big Mom's plans. I don't see how half (the weaker half IMO) of the straw hats, can take down a yonko's crew. That would be some major BS on Oda's part.
Seriously? What's with you guys and not wanting Luffy to win? If Luffy wants to become Pirate King he needs to beat the Yonko. Big Mom needs to be defeated period.
Andy Dalton the GOAT.
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I don't think she is a giant in the first place, specially from Elbaf.
Thats why she was kicked. Maybe his father was a normal human that falled in love with a Giant and because o that she was discriminated in Elbaf ( a very tradicional country male centered)
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Seriously? What's with you guys and not wanting Luffy to win? If Luffy wants to become Pirate King he needs to beat the Yonko. Big Mom needs to be defeated period.
Well that doesn't mean she has to be beaten now.
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@Count:
Probably. I'm curious of knowing whether or not Baron Tamago is her child, since he was revealed before we learned about Big Mom having a huge family making up most of her crew.
Also, I'm curious about the Longarm chick who shows up in the bottom-middle panel that's holding the page of the giant book.
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We see her behind Galette and Montd'or in Chapter 845 as well. And the swordsman next to Montd'or may also be a named member/child, along with the twins in suits next to the aforementioned Longarm chick.
I doubt Tamago is a part of Big Mom's family since he's already been formally introduced. Oda could of course introduce him anew as one of her children, but I think it would have already happened at this rate if that was the case. On top of that he doesn't seems to be interacting with Smoothie like a sibling, rather like an advisor.
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Seriously? What's with you guys and not wanting Luffy to win? If Luffy wants to become Pirate King he needs to beat the Yonko. Big Mom needs to be defeated period.
It's about not wanting a Yonko to go down to half of the (weaker) main cast no matter how many random allies they suddenly make while another demands the whole cast a bunch of built-up allies and big names to be present for their defeat. Especially when the protagonist struggled against one top commander (and needed help from another main character), as well as former aforementioned Yonko having a penchant for making negotiations and deals Mafioso-style and respecting selfish ambitions.
It's not about disparaging the protagonist, it's about giving proper credit to his growing strength and the credibility of the built-up antagonists.
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Seriously? What's with you guys and not wanting Luffy to win? If Luffy wants to become Pirate King he needs to beat the Yonko. Big Mom needs to be defeated period.
??? Who said anything about not wanting Luffy to win? I'm talking about expectations for the arc, if Luffy can't handle a sweet commander without the assistance of Nami, how exactly do you expect him to go up against Big Mom? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Luffy isn't that strong yet. The arc was set up to be an infiltration mission, get in and save Sanji then leave. It wasn't set up for Luffy to beat Big Mom. Secondly if Luffy did beat Big Mom that would make him on par with the other yonko, what challenges would Luffy have to overcome if he's already Yonko level? This story isn't DBZ.
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@Count:
There are plenty of possibilities that could give a Yonko hopes of rising above the others. Such as an alliance with Elbaf or the Celestial Dragons similar to what Doflamingo tried to do.
I think giants are getting overestimated…in the power range of Akainu,Aokiji,Shank,BB or Kaido, they are just another guy.Even if someone among them is as strong as these people it would be due to their haki and/or fruit power,not for his size.
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Also no, Luffy does NOT have to necessarily beat everyone else.
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From reading between the lines of this chapter I have to give credit once again to BM's Network:
A manticore from ID?
A centaur (though a fake one, thx to Law) from PH?Those Islands aren't easy to reach, and still, BM somehow collected her "pets" there.
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I think giants are getting overestimated…in the power range of Akainu,Aokiji,Shank,BB or Kaido, they are just another guy.Even if someone among them is as strong as these people it would be due to their haki and/or fruit power,not for his size.
How about hundreds of giants, or thousands of giants?
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I think giants are getting overestimated…in the power range of Akainu,Aokiji,Shank,BB or Kaido, they are just another guy.Even if someone among them is as strong as these people it would be due to their haki and/or fruit power,not for his size.
Oh, I agree that meta-wise, the Giants aren't really a big deal lol. But a whole army of them, as well as however strong their leader might be, has been build up as a major power. Just look at how the Marines commissioned Vegapunk and Caesar to create Gigantification to make Giant soldiers (and "coincidentally", Big Mom is having Caesar do the same thing for her family). Or how Moria wanted to use Oars against Kaido even though power scaling suggests that Kaido could swat Oars away like a bad joke. We know that Giants aren't a big deal in terms of feats, but Oda just likes hyping up characters and not caring much for power levels and the like.
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So yeah, I can see Giants being hyped up even though the likes of Aokiji could just freeze at least a fourth of them in a few minutes lol. Oda doesn't care about power structure, just hype and thematics.
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Loving badass Brook! It's about time we saw the Soul King in action (though, upon reflection, it's a bit strange no one's really noticed him as the Soul King considering he was a giant rock star and all)
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This arc is fire. Every chapter is a joy. So refreshing.
Loved this one.
All shs are doing so great imo. Even Sanji
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From reading between the lines of this chapter I have to give credit once again to BM's Network:
A manticore from ID?
A centaur (though a fake one, thx to Law) from PH?Those Islands aren't easy to reach, and still, BM somehow collected her "pets" there.
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No one teaches the Teach what you can and can't do.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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They would be more of a threat if OP wasn't taking place mostly on islands.
You can only fit so many giants on an area before they start to hinder each other.
Meh, they could just swim San Juan Wolf-style. And I believe that Dorry and Broggy's crew had their own ship, meaning that Giants have a bunch of ships of their own. And Oda could care less about size and geography proportions regardless lol.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
Meh, they could just swim San Juan Wolf-style. And I believe that Dorry and Broggy's crew had their own ships. And Oda could care less about size and geography proportions regardless lol.
Making them swim doggy paddle with their axes doesn't really make them look more threatening.
And the ship thing too, what kind of ship would ya need to ship a thousand giants.
They'd be sitting ducks with their 20 kilometer long ships.
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Eh, I don't see Big Mom going down in this arc. I think it'll end with Luffy escaping with Sanji having destroyed or ruined all of Big Mom's plans. I don't see how half (the weaker half IMO) of the straw hats, can take down a yonko's crew.
Agreed, they can't on their own.
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And Oda could care less about size and geography proportions regardless lol.
Sometimes I forgot that the New World and the GL in general is like 10 percent of the entire world of One Piece. Shima and Togashi pretty much took the idea in reverse, lol.
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Making them swim doggy paddle with their axes doesn't really make them look more threatening.
And the ship thing too, what kind of ship would ya need to ship a thousand giants.
They'd be sitting ducks with their 20 kilometer long ships.
You're still overthinking One Piece/shonen logic. And Marineford has eight Giants on the Marines' side, not counting Oars Jr. An army of Giants, even just a couple dozen, can squeeze in. I also think that we're focusing too much on quantity and not realizing how powerful Giants in Elbaf can be with Haki training and Devil Fruits (Hajrudin wanted to get Ace's Fruit, after all. Big Mom has one. And Kaido probably has a Dragon Zoan). If the Marines want to mass produce Giants, then it's understandable for a Yonko to make an alliance with a civilization of Giants.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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How about hundreds of giants, or thousands of giants?
For fodders it doesn't matter if they count in hundreds or thousands,end result will be same.And if Elbaf giants were really that strong as a group,i think they should have been one of the key powers in OP world by now.So going back to our original point,it is hard to believe that a political marriage with giants would have helped Big Mom to overpower Whitebeard,and conversely if giants were really that strong they wouldn't care about allying with someone like BM to conquer the ocean.So far what little we have seen of them,they seem to be very proud race….
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Nice chapter again. I hope this arc will be long with Big Mom going down at the end. Having all the weirdness contained in one arc would be nice.
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You're still overthinking One Piece/shonen logic. And Marineford has eight Giants on the Marines' side, not counting Oars Jr. An army of Giants, even just a couple dozen, can squeeze in. I also think that we're focusing too much on quantity and not realizing how powerful Giants in Elbaf can be with Haki training and Devil Fruits (Hajrudin wanted to get Ace's Fruit, after all. Big Mom has one. And Kaido probably has a Dragon Zoan). If the Marines want to mass produce Giants, then it's understandable for a Yonko to make an alliance with a civilization of Giants.
Well yes obviously. Just noting on how unthreatening a force they appear when they can maybe squeeze in like 15 guys at a large island. And even the giants who are incredible, like Saul who is probably the most physically powerful creature we've seen, takes a dive in one second flat against a devil fruit. I guess they could be seen as force to be reckoned with in-universe, but i can't see how an alliance with the giants would help at all against guys like Whitebeard. Let alone guarante that Kaido, WB and Shanks fall before her.
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I really hate the word "fooder" alot it makes me sad that we throw away characters as "fooders"
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To willingly kill your own kid over not getting forced into marriage, the groom must have been ridiculously loaded with influence and power.
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Well yes obviously. Just noting on how unthreatening a force they appear when they can maybe squeeze in like 15 guys at a large island. And even the giants who are incredible, like Saul who is probably the most physically powerful creature we've seen, takes a dive in one second flat against a devil fruit. I guess they could be seen as force to be reckoned with in-universe, but i can't see how an alliance with the giants would help at all against guys like Whitebeard. Let alone guarante that Kaido, WB and Shanks fall before her.
It's not like I disagree with your logic either. It's just that I can see Oda overhyping these Giants after how much he's been building up their army value since Oars and Punk Hazard. Of course they don't stand a chance to us as readers. But in-universe, Oda's always going to hype up creatures and armies that are humongous and foreign. It's just how a battle shonen series like One Piece works.
And it's possible that Big Mom is just biased towards praising the strength of Giants. Just look at how Moria was so sure that Oars and zombies were his ticket towards kicking Kaido's ass lol.
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Can't blame Lola. Sex with a giant is suicide.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
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Can't blame Lola. Sex with a giant is suicide.
Otohime would beg to disagree. She had sex with Neptune and GAVE BIRTH TO SHIRAHOSHI.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Anyone notices Sanji in one page is praying that is friends don't do anything wrong in the same chapter Luffy is shit talking Big Mom, Pedro is acting as a decoy, Chopper is about to do something crazy. When the the bomb explode it may take out the book devil fruit user as he may be the one to open the box, in the end Big Mom anger may turn to fishman island because of Jimbe leaving and the whole bomb in the box situation.
The wedding day will go to shit if Big Mom only new that wherever the Straw Hats are present there is bound to be chaos, she should have killed them or kicked them off her island as soon as possible. Think of all the things that will go down, the information off the stones getting stolen, Brulee getting knock out so that may help the Straw hats to escape through her world or reduce BIG Mom pirates transportation or information network, the whole bomb going off causing panic and releasing the people and animals trap in the book, what a day it will be. Big mom will lose a lot and the Straw Hats will end up disappearing without a trace mark my words.
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@Count:
Otohime would beg to disagree. She had sex with Neptune and GAVE BIRTH TO SHIRAHOSHI.
Those could be explained by external fertilization. It is quite the case with fishies.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
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Those could be explained by external fertilization. It is quite the case with fishies.
SBS Volume 10:
**D: When the Arlong guys and the other Fishmen give birth, do they lay eggs like fish?**O: BZZZT. Fishmen are still mammals, so they give birth the way humans do. There are fishwomen too, of course.And the possibility that she may have been born small is rendered mute because she's already been seen huger than her family as a baby.
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Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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For fodders it doesn't matter if they count in hundreds or thousands,end result will be same.And if Elbaf giants were really that strong as a group,i think they should have been one of the key powers in OP world by now.So going back to our original point,it is hard to believe that a political marriage with giants would have helped Big Mom to overpower Whitebeard,and conversely if giants were really that strong they wouldn't care about allying with someone like BM to conquer the ocean.So far what little we have seen of them,they seem to be very proud race….
While for a high ranking marine or an elite yonkou fighter/commander, the average giant might not be much of a threat, there are only so many of these. Most of the navy's and Yonko's strength lie in their numbers and one fodder giant could smash a whole regiment like nothing. And then of course, there are undoubtely giants who are more powerful than their peers. Like the king of Elbaf just has to be in the same powerrange as an Admiral in order to live up to the hype surrounding them.
As for why they would want to marry into Big Mom's family, I think the theory we are crafting around that is basically that a giant prince fell deeply in love with Lola and refused to marry anyone else basically.
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@Count:
It's not like I disagree with your logic either. It's just that I can see Oda overhyping these Giants after how much he's been building up their army value since Oars and Punk Hazard. Of course they don't stand a chance to us as readers. But in-universe, Oda's always going to hype up creatures and armies that are humongous and foreign. It's just how a battle shonen series like One Piece works.
And it's possible that Big Mom is just biased towards praising the strength of Giants. Just look at how Moria was so sure that Oars and zombies were his ticket towards kicking Kaido's ass lol.
At the same time, Oda has a pretty good track record of things living up to their hype. The Grand Line really is a graveyard for the uninitiated, for example. The biggest thing I've felt hasn't lived up to hype is the New World itself until Zou. It's supposed to be this place with islands even crazier than Paradise, but outside of places we only got a glimpse of, Punk Hazard's weirdness was recent and man made while Dressrosa was completely civilized and its weirdness, too, was recent and man made. Zou and Totto Land are making up for that, now, though.
@parklane21:Those could be explained by external fertilization. It is quite the case with fishies.
I don't know if it holds true with Merfolk, but I recall an SBS confirming that Fishmen were still considered mammals. Plus a mermaid's tail splitting at a certain age could also be Oda's answer to "the mermaid problem"
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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@Count:
SBS Volume 10:
**D: When the Arlong guys and the other Fishmen give birth, do they lay eggs like fish?**O: BZZZT. Fishmen are still mammals, so they give birth the way humans do. There are fishwomen too, of course.And the possibility that she may have been born small is rendered mute because she's already been seen huger than her family as a baby.
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WTF?! Hahaha. I guess we just found who's the previous eater of Gomu Gomu No Mi.
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Cool chapter and Brook hype… That's it.
Sanji is still a troubled mind... Oh well
