Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
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Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Hopefully there won't be any surprises coming from Cracker.I really want this fight to just be over so we can move on to other things.Not really interested in this fight.Also,I feel that the explanation for Sanji's chivalry is a little underwhelming.I'd like to see more about this being built on and shown in the future.
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What if by the end of the arc Sanji will be forced to rightfully hit a woman(a opponent from big moms crew etc.) and he will finally do it, thus giving him more development by learning that the world isnt so black and white where total chivalry can exist.
Btw, how does Stephen call the homies in the official translation? The same?
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What if by the end of the arc Sanji will be forced to rightfully hit a woman(a opponent from big moms crew etc.) and he will finally do it, thus giving him more development by learning that the world isnt so black and white where total chivalry can exist.
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Not gonna happens,general trend in shonen is good characters are true to their words till the end…
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He still was hinted to be Big Mom right hand man though.
Tankman looks to be second form of Gear Fourth - I imagine that Luffy added "full version" because of how stuffed he was and that we will get to see Tankman mode in future.
Cracker even added he is not sure if Luffys rubber is soft or hard, thats something new and doesnt sound like something that Luffy came up with just recently during fight.Also Haki pattern on Tankman looks different than in Bound Man.
Tankman is fine and funny,a very ingenious move…..i simply never liked cracker.
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Not a bad chapter, but for some reason something has been nagging me for a while about this arc and I think I finally figured out why. We have just a small chunk of the crew here in this arc, which is what we had for Dressrosa as well. However, in this arc it really feels like most of the crew here hasn't really been doing much compared to what it felt like the crew was doing in Dressrosa. The arc did cut to different areas, but we did get to see what various groups were up to constantly and felt like there was a flow to it. We saw Usopp and Robin meet the Tonattas, meet up with other crew members, then saw how they got to the underground port and a number of things that happened there. In this one we've had very little to see how much happened between groups. With Luffy and Nami we break to the next day to find out what happened. With Chopper and Carrot they are suddenly being chased by Brulee who we thought was down. Then Brook and Pedro went off in a Sub, they were at the place Pudding was at, then got into a cracker soldier and that's all we've seen of them. While this arc and Dressrosa cut to different places in many chapters, it feels like the flow in this arc is a bit weirder compared to when back when reading Dressrosa weekly. Perhaps it's stranger because we have two minks who are with the crew and because there's little going for them in terms of character and seeing them in action it's harder to be attached to them, and as such I'm waiting to see more of them so I can feel invested in them.
As for Cracker, while the idea of how he was taken down was interesting and it was kind of neat, the problem is the victory has little impact. At most I was supposed to hate the guy because of what he said about Sanji, and the fact that he's supposed to be a big name in the crew. With so little development of him I had little reason to be happy that he was taken down, and as Daz pointed out cutting out a chunk of the fight downplays the threat Cracker was supposed to present.
As for something positive, I did like that cover page.
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Btw, how does Stephen call the homies in the official translation? The same?
yup.it is homies by oda himself
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@Count:
It's a shame that Vergo beat them to it.
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It feels like Oda doesnt want me to forget Vergo.. first Judges spear being blocked by Sanjis leg, then Vergo clones and now that.. Oda you..
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he didn't seem that stoked about women in the kitchen in general.
It's like the manly men always say, women should stay out of the kitchen.
lol. Don't you have it in reverese? "women should stay in the kitchen" is the old cliche. At least in america.
Pretty good chapter, i wonder how far cracker was sent. That could be a plot point down the line.
yeah im here
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I wonder if Chopper and Carrot would get to the wedding first before Luffy and Nami.
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lol. Don't you have it in reverese? "women should stay in the kitchen" is the old cliche. At least in america.
What that's crazy talk. Sending women in there, with all the sharp knives, boiling oils and rampant machismo.
Perish the thought. You can't even beat them when they overseason the stew.
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so it was simply Zeff all along, i mean my take on this is that Sanji sees Zeff as a guy that totally gave up on his Pirate life and dreams to save the life of a random child and to raise him as if he was his own son, on the baratie arc he said that he feels like he took everything away from the old man
so i believe Sanji taking the "don't hit a woman" rule to the extreme goes with how much he values everything Zeff has done to him as a person, in a way like he doesn't want to fail Zeff as a man, but even by saying that… still... i wished it had something more to it...
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This chapter was great, and the end of this fight was just perfect. I love how this arc has quicker pacing than Dressrosa ever did.
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It feels like Oda doesnt want me to forget Vergo.. first Judges spear being blocked by Sanjis leg, then Vergo clones and now that.. Oda you..
maybe vergo will return in the story with doflamingo in the kaidou arc. similar how mr 1 and crocodile return in the war. sanji will have his rematch. and maybe law will also have his rematch with doflamingo.
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Anyone else think that "Enjoy your trip to the ends of the New World" line should have Cracker land in Raftel right as the Strawhats finally reach there, ala the flying cow at the beginning of Earthworm Jim?
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Great chapter.
I liked the way Cracker was "defeated" (putting it between quotes because IMO he will just be unconscious long enough for Luffy and Nami to leave the forest). It was fun and cool at the same time.
I also liked the support role Nami had in this fight. That reminds me of an RPG with her nerfing her opponent's defense.What I liked the most is the flashback. It was fantastic to read it now that we know what happened to Sanji before meeting Zeff.
Knowing the regret he expressed in the SBS, I didn't expect to have Oda actually draw someone teaching chivalry to Sanji. I think it's obvious with his answer that he didn't plan to develop that side of Sanji at the time.
But I think he just found a great opportunity in this arc to go with that explanation (the one that made the most sense IMO).
Zeff identifying himself as his parent was obviously a very huge deal for Sanji. So, it makes a lot of sense to me that the lesson Zeff delivered at the time of that declaration holds a very high importance for Sanji. Going against that lesson would be growing as someone who will be despised by the one man who recognised him as his son when his blood father wouldn't.
That's really powerful to me. That's a much better explanation than any theory I've read here and elsewhere. -
He still was hinted to be Big Mom right hand man though.
Tankman looks to be second form of Gear Fourth - I imagine that Luffy added "full version" because of how stuffed he was and that we will get to see Tankman mode in future.
Cracker even added he is not sure if Luffys rubber is soft or hard, thats something new and doesnt sound like something that Luffy came up with just recently during fight.Also Haki pattern on Tankman looks different than in Bound Man.
It's the same thing that happend when Luffy fought DoFlamingo.
Gear Fourth mix of rubber boddy and haki techniques makes Luffy both hard, his haki unbreakable, and squishy, because he's rubber.
Imagine trying to stab a basketball with a dull knife. It's the same effect.I also noticed the different patterns.
Looks like in the normal Gear Fourth Luffy gathers his haki in the arms and upper chest region, since he figths by punching, and this timehe gathered the haki in his belly region to take Cracker's attack.
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It feels like Oda doesnt want me to forget Vergo.. first Judges spear being blocked by Sanjis leg, then Vergo clones and now that.. Oda you..
You're only seeing what you want to see. If even "break a leg" throwaway comment is enough to remind you of him, you are going reaaally deep to find Vergo anywhere you look.
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epic chapter, gear 4th fullness is so luffy
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@Count:
I don't know, Big Mom's one big morally ambiguous mess the more we get to know about her.
Yeah, totally this! I definitely don't think she'll get beaten here and now, but I have absolutely no clue how things will go on afterwards. There probably will be some kind of agreement between her and Strawhats at the end of this arc, but I expect it to be very shaky and unstable.
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I like that cracker got beaten is such an absurd manner considering just how absurd him being biscut human and that powerful is. Lol
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Another excellent chapter
Cracker was a clear step above Doflamingo and Luffy managed to absolutely stomp him. Bodes well for the future
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Another cool chapter sullied by Oda's awful gender politics. In a world where women can be just as powerful as men, they're still too pretty to hit. What absolute horseshit.
As a woman, I would never respect men like Sanji or Zeff who would elevate me just because of my gender.
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Another cool chapter sullied by Oda's awful gender politics. In a world where women can be just as powerful as men, they're still too pretty to hit. What absolute horseshit.
As a woman, I would never respect men like Sanji or Zeff who would elevate me just because of my gender.
If you can't see Sanji's reasoning for going to the extremes of Zeffs general policy, then you're not reading between the lines enough.
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Zeff's policy is literally if i can't kick you in the face i can't hire you.
It is in itself an extreme position, Sunkist is just keeping up the tradition of drawing shit to an extreme end.
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If you can't see Sanji's reasoning for going to the extremes of Zeffs general policy, then you're not reading between the lines enough.
I'd accept the narrative reasons for it if the sexist nonsense was limited to just Sanji, and other characters were cool with treating women equally. But this is the same manga that had Zoro vs Monet and has (up until a few chapters ago with Cosette) never featured a female character who truly looked beaten the way the men always do.
These aren't Zeff's beliefs or Sanji's beliefs, they're Oda's beliefs. And they stopped being cool about 40 years ago.
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I'd accept the narrative reasons for it if the sexist nonsense was limited to just Sanji, and other characters were cool with treating women equally. But this is the same manga that had Zoro vs Monet and has (up until a few chapters ago with Cosette) never featured a female character who truly looked beaten the way the men always do.
These aren't Zeff's beliefs or Sanji's beliefs, they're Oda's beliefs. And they stopped being cool about 40 years ago.
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Another excellent chapter
Cracker was a clear step above Doflamingo and Luffy managed to absolutely stomp him. Bodes well for the future
I don't see how he was a clear step above. I mean Doflamingo didn't sit back spamming clones for 11 hours.
We forget a lot about Doflamingo's feats and general devil fruit power.
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Short list, of the top of my head, of people in OP who are fine with beating up either gender.
Pell, Luffy, Magellan, that fat guy from Skypiea who beat up on Robin, Enel, Crocodile, Ivankov, Aokiji, Galdino, Django, that weird kabuki guy from CP9, probably the entirety of the CP9 grouping really, Fuhranky, that guy who looks like Steven Tyler who's name i'm drawing a blank on. I'm probably forgetting somebody, but it's a start.
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@Mr.:
The most interesting thing about the Zeff flashback was that Zeff said that he would "cut his own throat." This adds a new layer to his chivalry in that he wasn't only doing it for his own pride, but for the sake of the old man–who is undoubtedly the most central person in Sanji's life. In other words, doing such a thing would be akin to killing Zeff by his own hand.
Also note that Zeff at this time assumed that Sanji would be devoting his life to Baratie as a chef and a gentleman toward patrons, not as a globetrotting pirate taking down kingdoms.
I still believe that Sanji developed his moral code to fit his lifestyle and his personal beliefs over time. It may even be possible that he doesn't even remember Zeff being the one who first taught him that and the flashback was more for the readers' sake than Sanji actually remembering it. At this point, it is a subconscious instinct and belief that goes beyond Zeff.
That's a pretty interesting way to look at it. Looking at it again yeah this is a pretty powerful moment. We may not see it in Sanji's eyes or anything like that but considering all he had gone through there is a lot going on if this translation is accurate.
Another cool chapter sullied by Oda's awful gender politics. In a world where women can be just as powerful as men, they're still too pretty to hit. What absolute horseshit.
As a woman, I would never respect men like Sanji or Zeff who would elevate me just because of my gender.
I think things go far beyond being too pretty to hit. Why can't Sanji and Zeff just be the kind of men who won't strike a woman? I don't think anything is wrong with that at all, even if Sanji does take it to the extreme. So Sanji goes around the world and does all these amazing things contributing to entire countries being liberated and such and you can't respect him because of one aspect of his life style. Ok.
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I know this is not quite chapter related, but it was at the end of the mangastream chapter.
It was quite cool I must say..
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Also, think a bit on what the scene really meant. We just got off a 2-chapter flashback where Sanji was treated like a subhuman (or perhaps regular human would be more accurate) by his family. He ends up with Zeff, who actually treats him like a son. Do you not think that, after the drastic positive change in what he had been through, that Sanji would find himself in the position to question Zeff?
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I like that the civilians saw Chopper and Carrot in the mirror.
That´s how fairy tails with animals are created in this world
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@Kaido:
He'd managed to find a way to break the biscuits, sure, but not how to deal with the infinite amount of biscuits Cracker can produce, which he couldn't keep up with in Gear Fourth forever. And as Maju said, him hitting the biscuits would have still allowed Cracker to maintain control of them, regardless of how soft they were, as he could reinforce them with more biscuits. Considering all that, eating the biscuits was a pretty smart thing for Luffy to do.
The biscuits would be soft and worthless, so let him make infinity of them. If they are soft enough to eat then Luffy should be able to punch through them like tissue paper and hit Cracker. Heck, with Cracker's self stated weakness of hating pain it should only need to happen once for him to be down.
Eating them was needlessly silly.
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The biscuits would be soft and worthless, so let him make infinity of them. If they are soft enough to eat then Luffy should be able to punch through them like tissue paper and hit Cracker. Heck, with Cracker's self stated weakness of hating pain it should only need to happen once for him to be down.
Eating them was needlessly silly.
Have you ever seen a soggy biscuit?
They don't become more breakable they become muddy. Sure, it's no problem if it's just one but a whole package, which in this case is nigh infinite?
Punching a barrier of mud is not very effective. Luffy would get his limbs trapped in it.Eating them is not only a better idea it's funnier.
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"Needlessly silly" in the series where Luffy once tried to eat Crocodile in the middle of the desert. Where, later on in their second fight, Luffy consumed a barrel of water and dubbed himself as water Luffy.
But sure, who needs fun. Simply punching him would just be so much better.
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Nice chapter, so Luffy could enter and then out from his G4 form whenever he wants without needing to reach his limit? cuz otherwise that wouldn't make any sense, other then that it's very clear what happened during that time skip and I wouldn't like to see it taking part of chapter, it would be so annoying. Anyway that's really impressive, it's just shows how different One Piece then any other shounen, that's what we used to get from Oda, whenever Luffy fight against a strong antagonist you wouldn't know who was the strongest, that's Oda's way to give the antagonist what he deserves without wronged him.. but still, there's those people who still thinking about Luffy is as weak as before the time skip, going around calling everyone who's defeated by him are weak
Cracker puppets were overpower no doubt about that and it's served him right as one of the Yonko's commanders, but that's it? he was totally depending on his DF and without even awaking it.. and what about that sword isn't it a special one? was it just for show? that's the only thing that disappointed me from this fight, but I dunno.. maybe giving him all that would make him an overpower, unless he's really BM's right hand. Doffy has the birdcage who's an overpower but that was far away from what all he got.. but he doesn't use it on the fight unlike Cracker, so that's make it kinda different
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The biscuits would be soft and worthless, so let him make infinity of them. If they are soft enough to eat then Luffy should be able to punch through them like tissue paper and hit Cracker. Heck, with Cracker's self stated weakness of hating pain it should only need to happen once for him to be down.
Eating them was needlessly silly.
Luffy's G2 Hawk Gatling didn't do anything to Cracker's soldier, and it was also durable enough to block an Elephant Gun.
Did you also not see Luffys reasoning? Punching through them would give Cracker the ability to fix it. If Luffy eats it, nothing left to fix.
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@Galaxy:
"Needlessly silly" in the series where Luffy once tried to eat Crocodile in the middle of the desert. Where, later on in their second fight, Luffy consumed a barrel of water and dubbed himself as water Luffy.
But sure, who needs fun. Simply punching him would just be so much better.
I think the people making these complaints now would make the same ones if they re-read the series and offered the same chapter by chapter feedback. Kinda makes you wonder how some have been reading for so long…
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@Phoenix:
Nah, I was expecting a little more than a gag fight. It was funny I will give it that.
No he's right, you've either forgotten what series you're reading. Or you've never really known the entire time.
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Just because we are on the New World, people wants this to become something like Bleach or something.
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Loved that one panel of Luffy forcing himself to eat that one Cracker biscuit soldier with tears in his eyes. This also might have been the most help Nami has been in a very long time–softening up the biscuit army, building up Luffy's confidence, and preventing the Homies from mobbing Luffy the whole time?
The pep talk kinda reminded me of that moment during the Aqua Laguna where Nami had remind Luffy of the gravity of the situation while his body and face were squished between two buildings in order for Luffy to give that one last energy/confidence boost–except not that quite that level of bizarre.
Also, the big question now is whether Nami will maintain control of the Homies. I think so, at least until they run into some other crew member with a vivre card or Big Mom herself.
At any rate, with Chopper and Carrot keeping Brule busy, it seems they are finally going to get out of that forest. Either Brule will be oblivious of Crackers' defeat for a while or she will attempt to take his place in stopping Luffy but prevented by Bropper and Carrot.
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Eating biscuits wet with water sounds disgusting.
I feel bad for Luffy's teeth and pancreas.
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Short list, of the top of my head, of people in OP who are fine with beating up either gender.
Pell, Luffy, Magellan, that fat guy from Skypiea who beat up on Robin, Enel, Crocodile, Ivankov, Aokiji, Galdino, Django, that weird kabuki guy from CP9, probably the entirety of the CP9 grouping really, Fuhranky, that guy who looks like Steven Tyler who's name i'm drawing a blank on. I'm probably forgetting somebody, but it's a start.
And Doflamingo, and Diamante.
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The funniest chapter in a while, I had some good laughs
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I like the solution. Cracker got launched away from the island probably, so he's defeated, but not beaten as in KO'd. Keeps the commander level pirates looking strong!
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Great chapter. tank man looks great looking forward to seeing a not full version, loved seeing chopper and carrot in the mirror world i really wanna see more of it. cracker's defeat was good, one less obstacle. the scene with zeff telling sanji what it means to be a man was great, reiju said she won't assist sanj further but i want to believe that that isn't true and in the future she will help him again!
