Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
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Buh-bye Cracker! See you in your cover story! Hahaha.
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Well that was anti-climatic. Luffy's longest fight in the series and it ended like that.
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@Phoenix:
Well that was anti-climatic. Luffy's longest fight in the series and it ended like that.
I have no idea why people keeps saying that. This is a pretty damn crazy way to end a fight.
Beating a trickster opponent by being even more tricky. Cracker could've beaten just about anybody, but he got outwitted
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I have no idea why people keeps saying that. This is a pretty damn crazy way to end a fight.
Beating a trickster opponent by being even more tricky. Cracker could've beaten just about anybody, but he got outwitted
Outwitted? He jumped into Luffy's belly and then got blown away.
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@Phoenix:
Outwitted? He jumped into Luffy's belly and then blow away.
You do remember that after TS, Luffy can repeal cannon balls back at twice the original speed right?
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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What did Nami mean by telling Cracker is a yonkou's right hand man ? Is he Big Mom's first mate ? If so, then I'm disappointed…
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@Phoenix:
Outwitted? He jumped into Luffy's belly and then got blown away.
They soggied up his weapons, Luffy ate them, and used them to fuel his counter-attack.
He got massively outwitted. He thought he had him against the wall, but he was suckered into a trap.
And now he's knocked out thanks to a face to face meeting with his own weapons. Excellent fight.
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Without Nami he probably would have lost. Also I'm glad the fight is over, because right now I don't care for Luffy, I want to see the brunch between the Charlottes and the Vinsmokes already.
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It may be lost in translation. It's an honor to fight Luffy for 11 hours though.
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That was awesome!! I really like how Luffy utilized eating as a weapon. I would have never thought about that. Also glad he was able to beat Cracker.
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I love it.
Cracker's ability is ridiculous, it makes only sense for Luffy to defeat him in an equally ridiculous way.
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You do remember that after TS, Luffy can repeal cannon balls back at twice the original speed right?
Yeah and? It's still an extremely lame way to end that fight. Doesn't help that Cracker jumped right into the attack.
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ok,oda got me.
i expressed my problems with luffy being able to eat those harder than life biscuits, and here oda just gives us a perfect explanation of why luffy is able to eat themi'm curious if that tank man is something luffy made up on the spot or if it's gonna be a thing with g4 to have several "variants"
also, finally the confirmation that it's zeff that taught chivalry to sanji..i mean it was already implied at eneies lobby,but people were somehow convicned that it came from someone else…
enjoyable chapter all in all..i wonder if luffy really throw cracker out of whole cake island,possibily killing him..or if he's just going land somwhere on the island and maybe later we will see him again.
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Although I do wonder why cracker still mass produced biscuits, instead of going in with his sword much earlier. or heck, produced even more biscuit warriors until luffy fainted. Or tried to attack nami head on. Or called in more people? I mean, where did Randolph go? Cracker was fighting alone against Luffy, Nami and all the homies.
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Without Nami he probably would have lost. Also I'm glad the fight is over, because right now I don't care for Luffy, I want to see the brunch between the Charlottes and the Vinsmokes already.
Without Law he wouldn't have beat Doflamingo, I think we've reached the point in One Piece where Luffy won't be going against top tier opponents one on one. Or at least without some form of help.
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@Phoenix:
Well that was anti-climatic. Luffy's longest fight in the series and it ended like that.
I liked it a lot exactly beause it was not the "luffy just punches him really hard" kind of ending
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Although I do wonder why cracker still mass produced biscuits, instead of going in with his sword much earlier. or heck, produced even more biscuit warriors until luffy fainted. Or tried to attack nami head on. Or called in more people? I mean, where did Randolph go? Cracker was fighting alone against Luffy, Nami and all the homies.
he doesn't like pain,like,at all,so his preferred method of attack will always be to first send his army and only when he is convinced there's an opening (like in this case where luffy said he was done), he will attack with his sword
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Without Law he wouldn't have beat Doflamingo, I think we've reached the point in One Piece where Luffy won't be going against top tier opponents one on one. Or at least without some form of help.
Without Nojiko and Gen-san Luffy would have drowned and died. We can write an entire page of withouts for Luffy. All of that them means nothing.
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I liked it a lot exactly beause it was not the "luffy just punches him really hard" kind of ending
The idea itself it great but the fact that Cracker didn't catch on after 11 hours is dumb. The last time we saw him he speed blitzed Gear 4 Luffy and now after 11 hours he somehow can't stop Nami. Oda hyped up the hell out of Cracker when the fight started but then gave him an idiot ball for 11 hours.
But anyways it's a gag fight so whatever.
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This was one of the best fights presented early in a arc. Simply great work! I like the speed of this arc and I like the Sanji story ever more.
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@Phoenix:
The idea itself it great but the fact that Cracker didn't catch on after 11 hours is dumb. The last time we saw him he speed blitzed Gear 4 Luffy and now after 11 hours he somehow can't stop Nami. Oda hyped up the hell out of Cracker when the fight started but then gave him an idiot ball for 11 hours.
But anyways it's a gag fight so whatever.
In that 11 hours, Luffy fights, run, eat…. rinse repeat. Of course Luffy won't let Cracker attack Nami.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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What did Nami mean by telling Cracker is a yonkou's right hand man ? Is he Big Mom's first mate ? If so, then I'm disappointed…
Previous translations of Zou had Jack called Kaido's right hand man, even though we have enough evidence to know that the two other Calamities are called King and Queen (and might be stronger than Jack if we acknowledge how those are higher ranked playing cards). So just take "right hand man" to be a synonym for Yonko Commander at this point.
And damn, Cracker just got his New World cleansing. I'm just curious as to if Tankman is a legitimately new transformation or something temporary like Mizu and Nightmare Luffy.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Phoenix:
The idea itself it great but the fact that Cracker didn't catch on after 11 hours is dumb. The last time we saw him he speed blitzed Gear 4 Luffy and now after 11 hours he somehow can't stop Nami. Oda hyped up the hell out of Cracker when the fight started but then gave him an idiot ball for 11 hours.
But anyways it's a gag fight so whatever.
since the king tree is missing the top part i suppose he already tried to get to nami but both luffy and all the homies protected her
also i don't think this fight diminishes cracker's strenght at all..he basically fought both luffy,nami and all the homies at the same time and still lost only because his whole strategy backfired and he fell into a trap. -
In that 11 hours, Luffy fights, run, eat…. rinse repeat. Of course Luffy won't let Cracker attack Nami.
Cracker jumped right beside G4 Luffy the last time we saw him. So logically his real body could speed blitz Nami while the other biscuit bodies acted as diversions for Luffy as he went for Nami. Plus while Luffy is superfat his speed shouldn't be as fast.
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@Phoenix:
Yeah and? It's still an extremely lame way to end that fight. Doesn't help that Cracker jumped right into the attack.
He didn't though. He attacked what he thought was easy pickings.
Except it was a trap.
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Hahahaha that explains the problem people had with last weeks chapter.. Nami is making it rain making those hard biscuits soft
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@Phoenix:
Yeah and? It's still an extremely lame way to end that fight.
Looks like you were hoping for some generic shonen-esque ending. You're forgetting what series you're reading.
Doesn't help that Cracker jumped right into the attack.
He didn't. No one could have predicted that Luffy would have sucked him into his stomach.
The last time we saw him he speed blitzed Gear 4 Luffy and now after 11 hours he somehow can't stop Nami.
He never "blitzed" anyone. Last I recall, he attacked Luffy right in the middle of Luffy fighting his soldiers and Luffy dodged that.
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this kind of fight (taking advantage of the enemy's weakness) is far better than a punchy-punchy-my-haki-is-stronger-than-yours kind of fight. so i love it!
before someone said that cracker is weak, crocodile will be in a same trouble if nami keeps showering him with water.
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I feel somehow cheated on the chivalry thing. So it was Zeff all along. The most defining trait of a main character whipped through a few flashback panels…
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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Btw, why is there a tree in the head of the catfish?
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As woolfwood described great fight!.
That cannonball has one hell of a range
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I feel somehow cheated on the chivalry thing. So it was Zeff all along. The most defining trait of a main character whipped through a few flashback panels…
it was never really implied to be anything more that something zeff taught him.
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I have a feeling that Sanji's bruises being covered up might actually play a role in the plot with Reiju going as far as mentioning that it stalls the healing process. As terrible a villain Big Mom is, I keep feeling like story tidbits like this, not recounting how she technically murdered her son during her mental illness phase, and not knowing that Caesar experimented on kids and doesn't have a cure,are actually going to play a role in why Big Mom doesn't get beaten as an antagonist while Germa 66 is of course dethroned. As if she'll actually abhor children being treated in such a manner despite being in favor of political marriages and offing her insubordinate ex-husbands. I don't know, Big Mom's one big morally ambiguous mess the more we get to know about her.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Looks like you were hoping for some generic shonen-esque ending. You're forgetting what series you're reading. He didn't. No one could have predicted that Luffy would have sucked him into his stomach. He never "blitzed" anyone. Last I recall, he attacked Luffy right in the middle of Luffy fighting his soldiers and Luffy dodged that.
Nah, I was expecting a little more than a gag fight. It was funny I will give it that. As for the Cracker blitzing Luffy part, that was the last thing we saw of Luffy and Cracker before the timeskip. Luffy could've dodged it or cut Luffy like he did earlier. We have no idea since everything was off paneled. At least, the anime has alot of potential filler action scenes to animate now.
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@Phoenix:
Yeah and? It's still an extremely lame way to end that fight. Doesn't help that Cracker jumped right into the attack.
what about doflamingo too. its just a matter of luffy's opponents underestimating him throughout the series already.
doflamingo also jumped right into the attack thinking that he would never lose in the air, end up he lost, if not doflamingo could have won if he played safe till gear 4 was over a 2nd time
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@Count:
I'm just curious as to if Tankman is a legitimately new transformation or something temporary like Mizu and Nightmare Luffy.
Luffy did say "Tank Man… Full Version", so I think there's probably a legit version of Tank Man where he doesn't have to fill his stomach with food. It can maybe just be the Gomu-Gomu no Fuusen on Gear 4th... not as exciting. Haha.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
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it was never really implied to be anything more that something zeff taught him.
Yeah but then Oda decided that there is a whole new backstory to be explored with Sanji. So people thought maybe there is another reason.
On the other hand it doesn't change anything. Zeff's reasoning is silly and Sanji is silly to believe in it at his age. Maybe it was the first time Zeff called himself parent in front of him?
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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Luffy did say "Tank Man… Full Version", so I think there's probably a legit version of Tank Man where he doesn't have to fill his stomach with food. It can maybe just be the Gomu-Gomu no Fuusen on Gear 4th... not as exciting. Haha.
Yeah, that "Full Version" tidbit is what caught my attention. Because Gear Fourth is already pretty fat, and some part of me feels like Tank Man might just be a bad translation of Bound Man because of that.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Wonder how many total forms he has now.
Awesome way to end a fight. Really enjoyed it.
Btw, honestly expected Sanji's chivalry had deeper roots. Like, connected to his mother as well.
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Btw, honestly expected Sanji's chivalry had deeper roots. Like, connected to his mother as well.
Same. Sanji getting his chivalry from Zeff feels a little underwhelming. Only because I really don't see why we couldn't have gotten this back during Baratie or Enies Lobby.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Yeah, chalk me up as one of the people this didn’t really work for. The conclusion is imaginative, memorable and neat, as is Nami helping Luffy, but corners were cut to get there. This is a case where I’d have preferred a “11 hours earlier” flashback to show those corners. Specifically I would have liked to see the moment where the fights dynamic changed; I would like to see Luffy coming to a realization and eating the first soldier and Crackers annoyed surprise. I would have liked to see Nami showing up at a crucial moment and figure out the weakness instead of just characters directly expositing that this thing happened: show, don't tell. A Luffy fight becoming an eating contest is a fun concept, and at least a montage of Luffy gorging himself on increasingly numerous and elaborate biscuit structures would’ve been a novel way of doing fight-escalation. You don’t need to skip straight to the endpoint.
Plus, the truncated format of the fight –both in terms of the preceding chapters and this chapter itself- just end up reducing the impact of the big finale. The only buildup we get is Cracker making some soldiers that get eaten before they do anything, and then Cracker gets repelled after lunging at Luffy. In terms of composition its just very “stop and go”, which is a shame, since the initial battle against that one Biscuit Soldier had some kinetic, flowing choreography.
The lack of comparative impact also comes from Crackers character itself being largely forgettable. His personality wasn’t fleshed out into something memorable (his pride in Biscuits could’ve been an obvious route to take; maybe have him be conflicted about the fact that Luffy is enjoying his “art”), and he’s quite removed from the emotional core of the Sanji drama we just spent several chapters establishing. Cracker was in the end just an obstacle; someone to go “No, I won’t let you do that” and little more. In that regard he’s comparable to someone like Wanze, but Wanze had at least had a ton of personality, and wasn’t a top Emperor officer.
The 1-page Chopper/Carrot scene mostly suffers from the same problems: fragmented, and without much time spent developing the mirror world or Brülee, and explain why exactly these two competent fighters have been running like headless chickens for 11 hours straight. The time skip could’ve been a chance to shuffle the cards and reintroduce Chopper and Carrot in a new situation in the arc, but both this and the Cracker fight feels like they were forcibly put into stasis.
And the Zeff part was…not good. As far as “explanations” for Sanjis chivalrousness goes it could’ve been a lot worse, but its still rather cringeworthy. Moreover, it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that’d render Sanji literally incapable of facing Kalifa in order to save his friend.
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Yeah but then Oda decided that there is a whole new backstory to be explored with Sanji. So people thought maybe there is another reason.
On the other hand it doesn't change anything. Zeff's reasoning is silly and Sanji is silly to believe in it at his age. Maybe it was the first time Zeff called himself parent in front of him?
"a man shouldn't hit a woman" isn't really anything silly to teach to a kid..and i doubt zeff was implying female warrior pirates in that,or that sanji should die because of that..it's just that sanji fixated himself on that teaching,especially since zeff said that he doesn't like men who hit women,and one of sanji's objectives in life has always been to get zeff's approval..which makes sense since he was not able to get the approval of Judge,his real father
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Maybe crackers's body will drop into sanji engagement
And he'll say mugiwara do that to him…
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@Count:
Same. Sanji getting his chivalry from Zeff feels a little underwhelming. Only because I really don't see why we couldn't have gotten this back during Baratie or Enies Lobby.
actually,we did got something in enies lobby…sanji said that he was EDUCATED that way when nami asked him about his chivalry...actually,in the italian version ,that it's the first version i've raid,he specifically said that he was taught that through kicks..so if that translation was correct ,it was pretty much implied that it was one of zeff's teachings and nothing more...it's sanji that then decided to bring it to the extreme,since zeff just said it as a general rule a man should follow, he wasn't talking about dying against female warriors during a grand line exploration.
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I don't think Luffy's getting enough credit for his resilience here. Soggy biscuits are the absolute worst, and he must have had so many of them.
Also, calling it now, the face mask thing is a long term gag setup. Sanji's gonna get rescued and they'll get back to the ship and everyone will be celebrating that they got him out safe and sound. Then he takes it off for the mass face-fault. That's how we're doing this.
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actually,we did got something in enies lobby…sanji said that he was EDUCATED that way when nami asked him about his chivalry...actually,in the italian version ,that it's the first version i've raid,he specifically said that he was taught that through kicks..so if that translation was correct ,it was pretty much implied that it was one of zeff's teachings and nothing more...it's sanji that then decided to bring it to the extreme,since zeff just said it as a general rule a man should follow, he wasn't talking about dying against female warriors during a grand line exploration.
I know that. But the fact that it was kept ambiguous on the same level of Sanji's North Blue origins raised a inch of intrigue. And Chopper even got his own mini-flashback to explain Monster Point, so seeing a brief glimpse of Zeff telling Sanji to never hurt women wouldn't have seemed out of place in the slightest for the arc. If anything, it would have helped Sanji not seem so hopelessly irrational since a lot of people still criticize Sanji for that scene, and even Oda admitted that he felt uncomfortable writing it and really wanted to hammer home how Sanji is literally unable to hit a woman.
Also, there are several panels in both Baratie and the recent flashbacks of Zeff criticizing Sanji for ogling woman. While you can still teach someone to not hurt women while still be critical of being hopelessly enamored by them, its connotations still warded away notions of Zeff being responsible for teaching Sanji his chivalry. In fact, Oda was even asked in an SBS if Zeff taught Sanji his chivalry and gave a really vague non-answer about it (like he usually does).
Here's my question: on p. 80 of Volume 42, Sanji says "I was raised to never kick a woman." Would that have been a lesson from Zeff the Chef? Would that mean Zeff is very soft on women, as well? Tell me. from Ariga-san
O: Oops, this one's from the same person as the last one. This is a good question though, so I'll answer it. When I drew Sanji vs Kalifa (Chapter 403), some people lauded Sanji's stance, and some people felt sorry for him. The truth is, I didn't really want to write those lines. Sanji doesn't have a "policy" of not kicking women; the truth is that he actually CAN'T kick them. He is a very proud man. I think he was really frustrated at that. think Nami recognized that, and chose to praise him for once. It's a scene that I hope will resonate with male readers, but everyone's free to take it as they wish. Also, Zeff is just a man among men.There was really no point in hiding that Zeff upheld chivalry and taught it to Sanji. It's something that could have easily been assumed, yet Oda liked to sidetrack away from it for years as if this is a built-up reveal meant to spark at least some small bit of surprise.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Wait a minute! I might be on to something here! in ths page, http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/842/3716/10 , Reiju said things about Sanji not looking like a blowfish so that the bride could take a liking on him. BUT, Didn't Sanji and Pudding already met before???! What the heck, could it be that Pudding lied, as in they never really met, and only led the SH into the trap?!
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
