Chapter 838: "Bropper"

Robby

So saying that he won't have PTSD is the same as saying as Sanji won't have any charcter development?
If I don't say that Ichiji/Niji was the cruelest among the family and Sanji has a special relationship with them than the other family members and he fears them or has some sort of anxiety.. is me claiming that Sanji won't have any character development.

Seriously, you need to read the post.

I'm sceptical to how much time Oda-sensei will put into his personal relationships complexity with his family. Do you see a difference? Because there is one.

Please don't report other people's posts when they aren't actually being offensive. It's a waste of the staff's time.

Please grow a thicker skin and don't get insulted or annoyed so easily as you seem to be getting in reaction to nearly every poster here for calling out your logic flaws that you are then backpeddling on.

You've been on this forum for 10 years apparently (and a whopping 133 posts!) you should know better.

LuckyDerp

that sanji scene to me looked like sanji had just cut his hand of

dirt monkey AL

@Regular:

So saying that he won't have PTSD is the same as saying as Sanji won't have any charcter development?
If I don't say that Ichiji/Niji was the cruelest among the family and Sanji has a special relationship with them than the other family members and he fears them or has some sort of anxiety.. is me claiming that Sanji won't have any character development.

Seriously, you need to read the post.

I'm sceptical to how much time Oda-sensei will put into his personal relationships complexity with his family. Do you see a difference? Because there is one.

As those relationships with his family directly relates to his "PTSD" (which isn't PTSD, it's his fear/anxiety of them), then, YES.

Do we really have time for a Sanji with PTSD?

Yes, your beloved Oda-sensei does have time to write about Sanji's fear and relationship with his brothers.

Regular

@Robby:

Please don't report other people's posts when they aren't actually being offensive. It's a waste of the staff's time.

Please grow a thicker skin and don't get insulted or annoyed so easily as you seem to be getting in reaction to nearly every poster here for calling out your logic flaws that you are then backpeddling on.

You've been on this forum for 10 years apparently (and a whopping 133 posts!) you should know better.

Not really used to getting called fanboy and having foot fetish for having a different opinion. But sure if that's what is ok here… fine. I'm out.

firelord111

@LuckyDerp:

that sanji scene to me looked like sanji had just cut his hand of

running away getting his hand exploded is better for him and does less damage to him since he has haki

Razh

@Kdom:

Sanji shiverring was a bit annoying. We already have him in shackles. I don’t want he transforms into a princess to rescue. I hope he plays a big role in his rescue plan.
The fact that Chopper has access to the mirror and can talk to him gives me hope though.

It bothered me a little too, but I guess the childhood trauma is just too big.

It will probably make Sanji's payback later on even more glorious. Conquering your deep instilled fears and whatnot.

Wonder what went on with Luffy's fight. Perhaps they managed to capture the baddies inside mirror world somehow. No way BM wouldn't receive any news if her kids weren't incapacitated in some way.

dirt monkey AL

@Kdom:

Sanji shiverring was a bit annoying. We already have him in shackles. I don’t want he transforms into a princess to rescue. I hope he plays a big role in his rescue plan.

firelord111

@dirt:

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16 chars of lol

MasterKingJC

@Murcielago:

No, I like how they mastered them. I just don't like the fact that they (clones from fruit) can talk. It's nonsense even for One Piece. It happened only recently.

They're not really talking. The users are talking through them. It's basically the same concept as puppetry and ventriloquism.
Way more plausible than Kinemon talking with farts, for example.

Kdom

@Regular:

Not really used to getting called fanboy and having foot fetish for having a different opinion. But sure if that's what is ok here… fine. I'm out.

Hum didn't you realize how interesting it was to discuss with Monkey King ?

Double-Dudes

People seriously think a Yonko commander is going to get oneshotted? "I can't stand pain" doesn't necessarily mean that he can't handle it - he just dislikes it. Dude seems pretty straightforward lunging at Luffy at the end of the fight, I highly doubt he's never been struck in his life before.

Less than half the Straw Hats are on the island and they're right in the middle of Big Mom's main headquarters. Luffy's not beating Big Mom here, they're there to get Sanji and run for it, maybe pick with some big square rock too.

Kdom

@Razh:

It bothered me a little too, but I guess the childhood trauma is just too big.

It will probably make Sanji's payback later on even more glorious. Conquering your deep instilled fears and whatnot.

What is strange is that he wasn't traumatize when he saw his father or Yonji. But it is possible that he starts to get desperate since he doesn't see any way to escape the wedding at the moment.

Wonder what went on with Luffy's fight. Perhaps they managed to capture the baddies inside mirror world somehow. No way BM wouldn't receive any news if her kids weren't incapacitated in some way.

Well it is possible since Nami is now ruling over the forest homies. For me the fact that Big Mum has no news indicates the fight has ended and Cracker has lost. Which is perfect since now the Strawhat can start their undercover mission without having to worry about being discover since Big Mum doesn't search them anymore

G1Ravage

We need a name for Big Mom's talking hat.

I suggest Big Hat.

KageKageKing

@Long:

So is the dad yellow or black or white or does he just not have a name? I havent watched power rangers ( Im assuming that's just the dub name and the show reuses a bunch of japanese material ) seriously since I was 6 or 7. So is there any speculation on that?

He is pretty much the 6th Ranger archetype.

Maju

@Murcielago:

I don't like where the devil fruit abilities are going. I mean how the fuck strings or bisquit can create a clone which is similar to human and able to TALK ? How ? This just doesn't make any sense. It's ok with Moriah or Big Mom, because their fruits are aimed for that purpose. But bisquit…

he creates the clones by maing his "biscuits" into powder and molding them..he basically took a simple "manipulation of somehing" devil fruit and turned up his mastery of it to eleven to be able to mold it to that degree and continue moving it as if it's alive.
as per the talk part,he was actually inside the talking armor,so he was talking from within..the other armors don't seem to be able to talk.

John Doe

@Alucard_LX:

I can't believe that some people still refuse to think that Cracker can beat Luffy.

Week 1 - Bounty reveal of 860 MILLION berries, as well as being one of Big Mom's direct commanders. People: "Nah man, Luffy will beat him easy lol."

I've already said it but

Luffy > Doflamingo > Jozz.

Even if the math could be bullshit, Luffy winning this fight isn't impossible. ( the "math" suggests that he could have beaten a yonkou commander )

flandrian15

@John:

I've already said it but

Luffy > Doflamingo > Jozz.

Even if the math could be bullshit, Luffy winning this fight isn't impossible. ( the "math" suggests that he could have beaten a yonkou commander )

One Piece really doesn't work like this and we haven't seen enough of Doflamingo vs. Jozu to say Doffy would win in a match. We actually haven't seen enough of Jozu to know how strong he is or isn't.
Also, Doffy's devil fruit might be better suited against a diamond man, which I presume has quite a good defense against melee attack à la Luffy.

andre

@Regular:

I'm trying to have a logical approach to this, how much panels and chapters can Oda-sensei afford to their relationship? How many chapters can this arc possibly be? We have so many elements in this current arc atm.. it's awesome but crazy as well, so I don't think Oda will indulge us to much into Sanji's complex relationships with each of his sibling.

As many chapters as possible! This is the most compelling character development and revelation we've had for any of the crew post-timeskip. This is exactly what I've been waiting for and knowing that Oda can deliver and for me, he has delivered thus far. I'm interested in Sanji's family and I know I'm not the only one. Give me a Noland size flashback; please and thank you.

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@Kdom:

What is strange is that he wasn't traumatize when he saw his father or Yonji. But it is possible that he starts to get desperate since he doesn't see any way to escape the wedding at the moment.

Reread the flashback. I think it shows the relationship between all 6 prominent Vinsmoke family members pretty well. Ichiji is the ringleader when it comes to picking on Sanji.

Myu

Hey guys, sorry for being a lazy-ass but can you fill me in as to why Sanji's tremors were for? Some traumatic memories of his older brothers?

UPDATE: yeah, people seem to think it's that way too. thanks, anyway.

Razh

@Kdom:

What is strange is that he wasn't traumatize when he saw his father or Yonji. But it is possible that he starts to get desperate since he doesn't see any way to escape the wedding at the moment.

I guess #1 and #2 bullied Sanji the most. Father and sister seemed to be mostly uninterested and #4 was younger and probably not as violent.

BartArt

@Regular:

Now now, it's really not extremely obvious. You seem certain of an uncertainty.

Anger/excitement - His face on the panel (and the fact that he fought and beat Yonji and fought his father without any kind of problems)

Fear/anxiety - He is shaking, his grip and a sweat drop on the same panel.

So yeah… you could be right, but you could also be wrong. So we are left with assumptions.

He is trembling, burying his fingers into his arms and breaking into a cold sweat.

Exactly like my ten year old self on Christmas evening!

KageKageKing

@Razh:

I guess #1 and #2 bullied Sanji the most. Father and sister seemed to be mostly uninterested and #4 was younger and probably not as violent.

They have the same age yo.

Razh

@KageKageKing:

They have the same age yo.

He's still younger, even if by a small margin, otherwise he wouldn't be named Yonji. I meant more "younger than first 2 bros". They might have been more close with eachother than with other siblings.

Phage

Childhood trauma is a rational thought out process where a person weighs their traumatic experience with how far they've come and what they've been through, and removes the trauma from their brain like they complete a math equation.

Talk to us about your experience instead of being a jerk.

Razh

@Phage:

Talk to us about your experience instead of being a jerk.

Huh. It was sarcastic. Obviously you can't just resolve your childhood fears of 2 older brothers that were bullying you regularly just by being aware how far you've come. Especially when you can't now how far each of them has progressed.

Man I'm so going to enjoy when the time for Sanji fucking up his family comes. Something like that makes me forget how I'd like for Zoro to fight Cracker.

NateRich

4 more months of Sanji!

I can't wait to see those funky hairstyles get the spray kicked out of them.

Count Mario

@Razh:

Huh. It was sarcastic. Obviously you can't just resolve your childhood fears of 2 older brothers that were bullying you regularly just by being aware how far you've come. Especially when you can't now how far each of them has progressed.

Man I'm so going to enjoy when the time for Sanji fucking up his family comes. Something like that makes me forget how I'd like for Zoro to fight Cracker.

I personally like the fact that we're seeing Luffy fight and probably defeat a swordsman. I feel like there is plenty of potential in Zoro fighting opponents that aren't swordsman thst can uniquely test his swordsmanship is creative ways. Pica was actually an example of that, but Oda copped out and gave him a seird for two seconds thst didn't compliment his powers or the fight whatsoever for no reason. And seeing a hand-to-hand combatant like Luffy take on someone with a blade is quite the unique spectacle to witness. I don't think we've seen a battle similar to that since… Kuro? I hope I'm wrong lol.

fuzi11

I wonder how unbeatable Mr 3 turns out to be, if he learns to control his wax figurines as good as cracker does. Because then not only can he create practically anything including torture devices and clones of every human imaginable, he can also create dense shields and prisons as well as actual perfect masks to disguise himself as anyone and make himself a protection against all kinds of fluids. He would still be weak to fire, though. On the other hand, Cracker might be immune to heat, but even weaker to water and fluids, as biscuits absorb the water and loose their dense structure.

Luffy can easily beat him, if he drinks the river and blasts the water against him. He wouldn't even need gear 4th.

Vectorkov

@Murcielago:

No, I like how they mastered them. I just don't like the fact that they (clones from fruit) can talk. It's nonsense even for One Piece. It happened only recently.

Robin has being able to make full talking clones since the timeskip and before that she could create unattached cloned eyes and ears that can see and hear. Yes, Robin's abilities make more sense in the context of her powers, but given what she can do I don't think Cracker's power is all that weird… especially in the context of all the other weirdos on the island that's made of cake and candy.

BlackLegEd

Looking forward to the Red Wedding at untimely death of the Vinsmokes family.

John Doe

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uniaka ikuzakas

They said today vinsmokes and big mom will meet and exchange gifts. I imagine here will be used the bomb from fishman island?

Random underling:'' here is the gift we got from straw hat. Bm: do I smell cake? * opens gift slowly* hmmmm * bomb explodes*''

BM is angry then…cracker lands from the roof on the table... cracker: ..straw...hat... ''.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@Maju:

he creates the clones by maing his "biscuits" into powder and molding them..he basically took a simple "manipulation of somehing" devil fruit and turned up his mastery of it to eleven to be able to mold it to that degree and continue moving it as if it's alive.
as per the talk part,he was actually inside the talking armor,so he was talking from within..the other armors don't seem to be able to talk.

Not to mention the sentient ones walking around probably got souls from big mom's fruit

Forestry

@fuzi11:

I wonder how unbeatable Mr 3 turns out to be, if he learns to control his wax figurines as good as cracker does. Because then not only can he create practically anything including torture devices and clones of every human imaginable, he can also create dense shields and prisons as well as actual perfect masks to disguise himself as anyone and make himself a protection against all kinds of fluids. He would still be weak to fire, though. On the other hand, Cracker might be immune to heat, but even weaker to water and fluids, as biscuits absorb the water and loose their dense structure.

Luffy can easily beat him, if he drinks the river and blasts the water against him. He wouldn't even need gear 4th.

the delicious juice river, we might end up praising the juice

Murcielago

Just thinking… If Magellan is able to create clones as Cracker, then I guess he is almost unbeatable. Especially if the clones are from his demonic poison.

Elektrik Dynomite

I don't understand the whole "Brother Chopper" thing. Is it a joke that just didn't translate well? Like what is the correlation between Chopper having a plan, and then wanting Carrot to call him "Brother". Is he planning to fool Big Mom into thinking he's her kid or something. I just doesn't make sense to me and feels random, like a gag that didn't translate easily

Tanuki

@Elektrik:

I don't understand the whole "Brother Chopper" thing. Is it a joke that just didn't translate well? Like what is the correlation between Chopper having a plan, and then wanting Carrot to call him "Brother". Is he planning to fool Big Mom into thinking he's her kid or something. I just doesn't make sense to me and feels random, like a gag that didn't translate easily

To be honest this sounds like something he picked up from Franky. Didn't Franky insist on people calling him Big Bro when he first joined?

BatrozX

@uniaka:

They said today vinsmokes and big mom will meet and exchange gifts. I imagine here will be used the bomb from fishman island?

Random underling:'' here is the gift we got from straw hat. Bm: do I smell cake? * opens gift slowly* hmmmm * bomb explodes*''

BM is angry then…cracker lands from the roof on the table... cracker: ..straw...hat... ''.

Now that I think about this, what if Big Mom exchanges gifts with the Vinsmokes and one of the gifts BM gives to them is the one from FI? The ones who could end up receiving the bomb are the Vinsmokes and it could ruin the entire wedding plans.

funebre

@Tanuki:

To be honest this sounds like something he picked up from Franky. Didn't Franky insist on people calling him Big Bro when he first joined?

in my opinion Chopper has enough of the "the tanuki is a mascotte" gag, and is trying to get more credit :D

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@funebre:

in my opinion Chopper has enough of the "the tanuki is a mascotte" gag, and is trying to get more credit :D

Maybe he is sick of not being recognized for having a bounty and wants his name heard by the big mom pirates so he'll get a real bounty hahaha

Maju

@Elektrik:

I don't understand the whole "Brother Chopper" thing. Is it a joke that just didn't translate well? Like what is the correlation between Chopper having a plan, and then wanting Carrot to call him "Brother". Is he planning to fool Big Mom into thinking he's her kid or something. I just doesn't make sense to me and feels random, like a gag that didn't translate easily

probably chopper is just happy to have a subordinate for once and want to be called like a big brother from carrot

BlackLegEd

@Maju:

probably chopper is just happy to have a subordinate for once and want to be called like a big brother from carrot

Plus Chopper is considered the baby /little brother of the group. XD

Uncanny Cyke

I'm waiting for Luffy to eat Cracker. Let's see his teeth go black!

Periwinkle

So is Big Mom even going to be the main antagonist for this arc, or is it gonna be the Vinsmokes? Lola's vivre card is going to come into play in a big way for sure, but how seems pretty up in the air. From the way she's been shown to treat her own family (eating her son and all) I wonder what her relationship is with Lola considering she left in search of love. Did she have permission? It's kind of hard to speculate on that part. However this plays out though, I kind of get the feeling that she'll turn out to be an ally in the end. Kind of hope she lends a hang with Kaido as well.. But who knows..

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@Periwinkle:

So is Big Mom even going to be the main antagonist for this arc, or is it gonna be the Vinsmokes? Lola's vivre card is going to come into play in a big way for sure, but how seems pretty up in the air. From the way she's been shown to treat her own family (eating her son and all) I wonder what her relationship is with Lola considering she left in search of love. Did she have permission? It's kind of hard to speculate on that part. However this plays out though, I kind of get the feeling that she'll turn out to be an ally in the end. Kind of hope she lends a hang with Kaido as well.. But who knows..

I really opposed to big mom teaming up in the same manner as law because luffy has to be the strongest / most well renowned part of the alliance or else the WG and pirate world will see it as big mom topples kaido featuring strawhat luffy and trafalgar law

madriano

@John:

this is a manga, Cracker could definitely create a weapon as sharp as a sword with biscuits.
he stopped a red hawk gattling with his biscuits so… doesn't matter if his sword is true steel or not.

Not saying this is absolutely wrong. BUT! You are ignoring how Luffy blocked all previous sword attacks, and as soon as Cracker pulls out the real sword he gets cut through.

f1g4zz

I didnt have time to read 18 pages so i dunno if it was mentioned already but here's what i think o cracker's power.

We never see in this chapter any of his dolls doing complex movements or using haki apart from the one he was directly inside (the one luffy's fought past chapter).
So my guess is that the dolls cant use haki, he can just instill it in them if in direct contact, also they cant make complex movements if not (as per haki) in direct contact with cracker himself.

OF course it could also be that we simply had no time to see all of this cause the fight cut short and skipped.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@madriano:

Not saying this absolutely wrong. BUT! You are ignoring how Luffy blocked all previous sword attacks, and as soon as Cracker pulls out the real sword he gets cut through.

I don't think Cracker imbued most of his swords with Haki, but when he used Haki in Pretzel Roll, he was able to beat Luffy's defensive Haki. When he attacked Luffy's arm with the real Pretzel he used Haki as well.

Periwinkle

@Long:

I really opposed to big mom teaming up in the same manner as law because luffy has to be the strongest / most well renowned part of the alliance or else the WG and pirate world will see it as big mom topples kaido featuring strawhat luffy and trafalgar law

I somewhat agree. By lending a hand I didn't necessarily mean fight along side them.. I just think it would show how dangerous and influential he really is to sail into the New World after 2 years and basically take over Big Moms territory (FI) and declare it's under his protection and then make an ally of her without having to take her flag and be an underling. All within a few weeks. The Straw Hats are gaining allies and underlings for a reason, whether it's just for the upcoming war or not is yet to be seen. Just hope she turns out to be an ally in the end. The Emperors should be taken out by the new generation for sure. Maybe she just stops anyone from interfering.

O baba

I have the feeling Luffy will lose and later in the arc Sanji will beat Cracker using some counter-cooking technique against cookies