I don't think it's odd. Thanks to Sugar Viola forgot that Kyros, her father and everyone who talks bad about DoFla existed.
Riku wasn't turned into a toy. Except for Kyros she didn't forget anything I believe.
I don't think it's odd. Thanks to Sugar Viola forgot that Kyros, her father and everyone who talks bad about DoFla existed.
Riku wasn't turned into a toy. Except for Kyros she didn't forget anything I believe.
Riku wasn't turned into a toy. Except for Kyros she didn't forget anything I believe.
A shit you're right she joined Dofla to save him, my bad.
Viola and doflamingo remind me a bit of joker and harley Quinn story. Since dofla is also inspired from joker.
The whole discussion here really made me laugh.
We have a story set in a huge world with LOTS of characters, it's mostly about pirates, there's a lot of politics, a lot of murder, slavery and just a giant bunch of other dark themes going on. Do you REALLY think that people just… not have sex? Just because Oda never covers this topic outside of gag jokes and children being born? Two characters belonging in a same group had a sexual relationship, WOW what a big deal (no, not really).
I understand it's problematic, but that's just how a lot of sexual relationships are in real life? You don't always limit your sex life to your one and only significant other, sometimes people have love affairs at work with their bosses while both sides are married or spontaneous drunk club sex or whatever else. Despite all the shit between them they are both grown up and good-looking people. Can you really blame them?
I think Oda wants to leave the matter of sex, as well as much more things, to the interpretation of the individual readers, if they think it would be weird and out of place in One Piece, good, otherwise if they prefer to think something happened between 2 certain characters, good as well. In the end such discussions leads to nowhere because they are based on a story that has been built intrinsecally ambiguous about the matter of sex, we can only express what we prefer to think. I'm sticking with the former anyway.
@Al!naJames:
I understand it's problematic, but that's just how a lot of sexual relationships are in real life? You don't always limit your sex life to your one and only significant other, sometimes people have love affairs at work with their bosses while both sides are married or spontaneous drunk club sex or whatever else. Despite all the shit between them they are both grown up and good-looking people. Can you really blame them?
And sometimes you end up fucking the guy who ruined your life, made your family the most despised in the country through a massacre, had your sister murdered, and caused your niece to fight in a life-or-death gladitorial arena…and its presented as a narrative footnote, a curiosity, some "spice" which doesn't really deepen the story in any way.
Like I asked the guy who insisted Rangiku had been raped in Bleach: what exactly is gained or explained by this? Violet having had sex -or even a romantic relationship, which Odas answer infers!-with the person she should hate more than anyone else in the entire world is incredibly dark and dramatic stuff, which should be acknowledged in the story if you want to go that route. Its not that subjects like this can never be employed in fiction - so why is possibly the most shitty thing Doflamingo ever did just some throwaway half-jokey SBS comment? yes OP has dark stuff in it, but when Oda brings up slavery or racism or children being unwittingly drugged guinea pigs or whatever he also spends time with the ramifications and drama of those things.
This particular trope is admittedly a big pet peeve of mine, but if you're gonna go down the "turns out the villain fucked one of the heroes at one point!", at least commit and explore it. You can brush it aside with "eh whatever, Viola and Doflamingo are both hot" but that completely ignores the dramatic, emotional fucked-upedness of these two specific people being together.
I mean, can you imagine:
Q: Oda, I have a question, why did Arlong call Nami cute that one time?
A: Well, I couldn't show my the exact reason for that because OP is a shonen manga, but lets just say Arlong kept Nami around for more than her maps!
Q: Ah I see, this narrative detail seems totally legit and necessary and gels perfectly with all the stuff presented on-panel, theres slavery and other bad stuff happening in the manga after all.
@Daz:
And sometimes you end up fucking the guy who ruined your life, made your family the most despised in the country through a massacre, had your sister murdered, and caused your niece to fight in a life-or-death gladitorial arena…and its presented as a narrative footnote, a curiosity, some "spice" which doesn't really deepen the story in any way.
Like I asked the guy who insisted Rangiku had been raped in Bleach: what exactly is gained or explained by this? Violet having had sex -or even a romantic relationship, which Odas answer infers!-with the person she should hate more than anyone else in the entire world is incredibly dark and dramatic stuff, which should be acknowledged in the story if you want to go that route. Its not that subjects like this can never be employed in fiction - so why is possibly the most shitty thing Doflamingo ever did just some throwaway half-jokey SBS comment? yes OP has dark stuff in it, but when Oda brings up slavery or racism or children being unwittingly drugged guinea pigs or whatever he also spends time with the ramifications and drama of those things.
This particular trope is admittedly a big pet peeve of mine, but if you're gonna go down the "turns out the villain fucked one of the heroes at one point!", at least commit and explore it. You can brush it aside with "eh whatever, Viola and Doflamingo are both hot" but that completely ignores the dramatic, emotional fucked-upedness of these two specific people being together.I mean, can you imagine:
Q: Oda, I have a question, why did Arlong call Nami cute that one time?
A: Well, I couldn't show my the exact reason for that because OP is a shonen manga, but lets just say Arlong kept Nami around for more than her maps!
Q: Ah I see, this narrative detail seems totally legit and necessary and gels perfectly with all the stuff presented on-panel, theres slavery and other bad stuff happening in the manga after all.
I totally agree but I think Oda wanted to take that route and his editor forbid him. Maybe what he did wrong was inferring it still happened in the canon story instead of saying like "I wanted to do this but in the end I couldn't…"
@Al!naJames:
The whole discussion here really made me laugh.
We have a story set in a huge world with LOTS of characters, it's mostly about pirates, there's a lot of politics, a lot of murder, slavery and just a giant bunch of other dark themes going on. Do you REALLY think that people just… not have sex? Just because Oda never covers this topic outside of gag jokes and children being born? Two characters belonging in a same group had a sexual relationship, WOW what a big deal (no, not really).
that's the main point though.leaving stuff out means they are not a focus in the story.having something not being brought up for 83 volumes and then suddenly springing that stuff is not normal and IS a big deal
I understand it's problematic, but that's just how a lot of sexual relationships are in real life? Y
a relationship between Dofla and Viola is much,much more than "problematic".depending on your perspective,it can lead to rape.not to mention we are surprised by sex in OP,not real life
although i disagree with Daz who seems to assume any adult relationship between a villain and a hero=rape,throwing away any emotional complexity of relationships or characters and stuff like Stockholm syndrome for no reason,or even just flirting which would also be something Oda would term as "Adult stuff",given how One piece is and how their relationship would be viewed as disturbing by the readers.
nor do i think actually alluding to something makes that a part of the story.given how Oda specifically is unclear about the whole thing,jumping right on it being as rape is just dumb imo.their relationship could have gone a number of different ways,all of which Oda(or his editors) saw as not really working out with the overall story.it actually doesn't make anything a part of the story,but just leaves space and fanfictions for it.
if anything"Dressrosa is a land of passion after all" implies the relationship at least had some form of consent on both sides.
in the end,though i am of the opinion though that unless something is explicitly stated,it both exists and not exists.i mean,authors a lot of times tell a lot of stuff about their works which they though about but didn't end up including,doesn't mean they automatically become canon.
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@Daz:
I mean, can you imagine:
Q: Oda, I have a question, why did Arlong call Nami cute that one time?
A: Well, I couldn't show my the exact reason for that because OP is a shonen manga, but lets just say Arlong kept Nami around for more than her maps!
Q: Ah I see, this narrative detail seems totally legit and necessary and gels perfectly with all the stuff presented on-panel, theres slavery and other bad stuff happening in the manga after all.
the key difference here being nami and viola's age.
although you could say the same thing about Robin,and the key difference there would be robin is a main character wheras Viola is a relatively minor side-character.Oda can't affoed to make a throwaway comment like that with robin,but it doesn't really feel problematic if he does that with Viola.a;though of course everyone's impression will be different
@.access:
Ok, I'm confused now, doesn't everyone in the "family" call him Doffy? And isn't Viola just her real name?
Only the commanders. Everybody else calls him "young master", even the Mooks.
I totally agree but I think Oda wanted to take that route and his editor forbid him. Maybe what he did wrong was inferring it still happened in the canon story instead of saying like "I wanted to do this but in the end I couldn't…"
Yeah, I choose to take it like that as well. Oda had something planned along the lines, but in the end they (the editor?) decided to scrap it. Then someone commented on the only, super tiny hint about it and Oda felt the need to get it out of his system through the SBS.
Still super out of place, though. Like a dead baby on a pile of cute stuffed animals. Hey, your mom loves you and is stronger than Kaido. Sai is 27. Doffy used to fuck Viola on off days. SBS over!
Just imagine how much longer Dressrosa would have been if that subplot was covered in full (maybe 5 chapters more)
To be fair Big Mom probably has sex with a bunch of dudes who probably don't like her too.
This is surpring bit of news. And here I thought Doflamingo had a thing for Crocodile lol.
This is surpring bit of news. And here I thought Doflamingo had a thing for Crocodile lol.
He probably does, me and others have h/c him as being someone who is pansexual.
Is it too late to call this "Discuss the sexuality of the OP characters Thread"?
To be honest I wouldnt have been surprised if the situation had been between Viola and Gladius, based on what he said on his full debut and later when he saw her :U
Not really the first time Oda gives us random relationships, we even had some with ZERO plot relevance like Shyarly and Arlong being half siblings, ands Sugar and Monet being sisters (And for all we know Sugar is completely unaware/indifferent about her sister being ded)
Eh, seems more like Oda admitting he wanted to have some sort of warped relationship history between Doffy and Violet but decided not to in a very early rough draft idea in the arc. Doesn't have to be sexual but "serious".
I had once theorized that Viola willingly got "very close" to Doflamingo at one point in order to sabotage him in a way similar to Corozon. Essentially playing a Mata Hari in hopes of one day assassinating him. Only that Corozon's betrayal of Doflamingo's trust made him highly suspicious of any newcomers and Doffy, unably to prove her treachery, decided to simply keep her at arms length and out of the Family's inner circle. Remnants of this MO as a femme fatale exists during her wooing of Sanji and presumed plan to execute him after peering into his mind and proving Sanji a liar.
Also there seemed to be some hints at something more during Doffy vs Viola, where she may have at least been less disposable to Doffy than the likes of Bellamy. Though in the end, there was nothing more than potentially misleading hints.
Could also hint that Oda wanted to make Viola more of a traitor and Monet-like. Because she'd have to be as crazy and callous as him to really make any relationship work even in the short-term.
This also indicates that Oda was showing interest not only in enlarging the focus on romantic relationships in the series (something we have already been seeing) but interest in showing more off-beat and unhealthy ones as well. This is something that may crop up in future volumes if the publisher decides to relent.
More funny that Shueisha decided to publish this. Because manga authors no doubt make some ribald comments on their own time, and these answered more than likely go to the publishers' office before being printed. Either Shueisha doesn't feel the need to censor Oda or this one slipped through the cracks.
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@Dr.:
I think Oda wants to leave the matter of sex, as well as much more things, to the interpretation of the individual readers, if they think it would be weird and out of place in One Piece, good, otherwise if they prefer to think something happened between 2 certain characters, good as well. In the end such discussions leads to nowhere because they are based on a story that has been built intrinsecally ambiguous about the matter of sex, we can only express what we prefer to think. I'm sticking with the former anyway.
Well, there was the Baroque works coverstory where Miss Valentine and Mr 5 were stranded alone on Little Garden for quite a while and were revealed to be living a primitive lifestyle together in what essentially amounted to their underwear.
that's the main point though.leaving stuff out means they are not a focus in the story.having something not being brought up for 83 volumes and then suddenly springing that stuff is not normal and IS a big deal
That's exactly the point though? It's not a part of the story, but because it's not covered doesn't mean it doesn't happen? We don't see characters portrayed going to bathrooms but that doesn't mean they don't go there for their regular humans needs. And Oda didn't even bring this up in-story, making a vague suggestion in a Q&A page doesn't really do much.
@Al!naJames:
That's exactly the point though? It's not a part of the story, but because it's not covered doesn't mean it doesn't happen? We don't see characters portrayed going to bathrooms but that doesn't mean they don't go there for their regular humans needs. And Oda didn't even bring this up in-story, making a vague suggestion in a Q&A page doesn't really do much.
You do bring up a good point. I general characters having sex OP may not even be a big deal. XD
@Daz:
Violet having had sex -or even a romantic relationship, which Odas answer infers!-with the person she should hate more than anyone else in the entire world is incredibly dark and dramatic stuff, which should be acknowledged in the story if you want to go that route.
Oda is the "romance is bullshit for girls and this is MUH SHOUNEN MANGA" guy so I don't think he would ever go for such side plot-line. That's exactly the reason he dropped it off. I don't think it was "inappropriate" or whatever else, especially not for Oda himself considering all the penis jokes and stuff like 8-year old getting to bath with naked chicks he clearly lusts over. He just has it set in mind for the characters but doesn't want to include it in-story since "MUH SHOUNEN". He even says this exact reasoning in his answer, no?
@Al!naJames:
That's exactly the point though? It's not a part of the story, but because it's not covered doesn't mean it doesn't happen? We don't see characters portrayed going to bathrooms but that doesn't mean they don't go there for their regular humans needs. And Oda didn't even bring this up in-story, making a vague suggestion in a Q&A page doesn't really do much.
We did get a panel of Magellan taking a shit shortly after his first fight with Luffy. Truly a watershed moment in the series
@Mr.:
Eh, seems more like Oda admitting he wanted to have some sort of warped relationship history between Doffy and Violet but decided not to in a very early rough draft idea in the arc. Doesn't have to be sexual but "serious".
I had once theorized that Viola willingly got "very close" to Doflamingo at one point in order to sabotage him in a way similar to Corozon. Essentially playing a Mata Hari in hopes of one day assassinating him. Only that Corozon's betrayal of Doflamingo's trust made him highly suspicious of any newcomers and Doffy, unably to prove her treachery, decided to simply keep her at arms length and out of the Family's inner circle. Remnants of this MO as a femme fatale exists during her wooing of Sanji and presumed plan to execute him after peering into his mind and proving Sanji a liar.
Also there seemed to be some hints at something more during Doffy vs Viola, where she may have at least been less disposable to Doffy than the likes of Bellamy. Though in the end, there was nothing more than potentially misleading hints.
good theory.i'm gonna go with that.
@Al!naJames:
That's exactly the point though? It's not a part of the story, but because it's not covered doesn't mean it doesn't happen? We don't see characters portrayed going to bathrooms but that doesn't mean they don't go there for their regular humans needs.
i understand your point,but comparing going to the bathroom to a possibly warped,twisted,abusive relationship between Viola(who is essentially a "good" character) and the man who destroyed her and her family's life is erronous.not to mention it opens the door to imagining similar stuff like sexual abuse,rape,necrophilia.or do you mean to say that that stuff also happens between known characters in known story conditions,only that we don't see it?
And Oda didn't even bring this up in-story, making a vague suggestion in a Q&A page doesn't really do much.
yes,i mention the same thing in my post.but indirectly bringing up something is still bringing it up,after years of no such indication of an "affair" between characters directly involved in the present story in a relatively important role,let alone one that would constitute as "Fucked-up NTR like shit".if viola was not basically under Dofla's control,this wouldn't be as weird or raise eyebrows.
@Al!naJames:
Oda is the "romance is bullshit for girls and this is MUH SHOUNEN MANGA" guy so I don't think he would ever go for such side plot-line. That's exactly the reason he dropped it off. I don't think it was "inappropriate" or whatever else, especially not for Oda himself considering all the penis jokes and stuff like 8-year old getting to bath with naked chicks he clearly lusts over. He just has it set in mind for the characters but doesn't want to include it in-story since "MUH SHOUNEN". He even says this exact reasoning in his answer, no?
But…What about this latest chapter?:ninja:
Wut?
How is this a thing?
Yes, it's canon. The setting and lines for it are there.
'How could she love him?'
Wut?
How on earth is that your first conclusion?
Viola used her body to survive.
Oh noooo, confirmation that a bad guy is actually a bad guy….
Not like there weren't hints folks.
Didn't you ever find it odd that Mingo just happened to keep her around?
It didn't hit you as strange that she uses a term for him that, even only the inner circle of his inner circle uses to address him?
End of story.
Wut?
How is this a thing?
Yes, it's canon. The setting and lines for it are there.
'How could she love him?'
Wut?
How on earth is that your first conclusion?
Viola used her body to survive.
Oh noooo, confirmation that a bad guy is actually a bad guy….
Not like there weren't hints folks.
Didn't you ever find it odd that Mingo just happened to keep her around?
It didn't hit you as strange that she uses a term for him that, even only the inner circle of his inner circle uses to address him?End of story.
I guess some fans don't know what a Honey Pot is?
https://www.fanfiction.net/anime/One-Piece/?&srt=1&r=10&c1=4760&c2=4005 Edit: one thing i can say that stood out to me while reading through Dressrosa(others have already pointed some stuff,bit's only now that i notice that)
is that Dofla seemed shocked and angry that Viola betrayed him. that did seem strange to me,even after we learn how much he hates betrayal.i thought,surely he expected that Viola will betray him?
Not like there weren't hints folks.
Didn't you ever find it odd that Mingo just happened to keep her around?
High-profile leverage (considering Riku was still missing) + extremely useful devil fruit ability?
It didn't hit you as strange that she uses a term for him that, even only the inner circle of his inner circle uses to address him?
Isn't that easily explained by them being an evil ex-employer and an ex-employee who are sarcastically using their established monikers? As in, Violet just using the word to mock him? Kinda like when Crocodile would call Vivi Miss Wednesday. If I was confronted with someone I hated more than anything and knew he had a cute nickname among his closest friends, I wouldn't have to have had sex with the guy to use the nickname to get under his skin.
Regardless, I just don't see anything going on in the final form of the manga which merits the damn dark "Viola had sex with the person responsible for her sisters death" backstory in any way. Judging by everyones surprised reactions, it doesn't seem there was any real demand for this, and if you go back to the chapter in question I doubt you'll find any theories that go "something fishy is going on here- I know! Violet was fucking Doflamingo all along to survive!". Because Violet isn't presented as someone who's had to go through that experience. This doesn't feel like some missing puzzle piece.
Ultimately, no one cares about Violet or Scarlet, so no one cares that Violet apparently had sex with the reason Scarlet died.
i understand your point,but comparing going to the bathroom to a possibly warped,twisted,abusive relationship between Viola(who is essentially a "good" character) and the man who destroyed her and her family's life is erronous.not to mention it opens the door to imagining similar stuff like sexual abuse,rape,necrophilia.or do you mean to say that that stuff also happens between known characters in known story conditions,only that we don't see it?
Yeah, in a story about pirates who constantly invade islands/countries and robe/kill citizens and in a world where there are SLAVES I'm 100% sure rape happens quite often. Do I need to remind you of a scene with Absalom creeping up on Nami in the shower and holding her naked against a wall, saying how he likes weak girls? I think he licked Robin too, didn't he? You don't think that qualifies as a pretty rape-y scenario?
Do you know how many females a year die from domestic abuse? There are a lot of married couples out there where either of the sides (abuse happens to males too, of course) constantly physically abuses the other or even threatens to kill them. Yet people still live together and have sex/children.
Viola could have had many reasons to have a fling with Doflamingo with it being completely consensual on both sides.
But…What about this latest chapter?:ninja:
The marriage between Sanji and Pudding is 1) set up by their families and 2) is done for plot purposes, so it's not really romantic.
! That last page with Sanji embracing her is still probably going to be the most romantic page you ever see in One Piece though.
@Al!naJames:
Yeah, in a story about pirates who constantly invade islands/countries and robe/kill citizens and in a world where there are SLAVES I'm 100% sure rape happens quite often. Do I need to remind you of a scene with Absalom creeping up on Nami in the shower and holding her naked against a wall, saying how he likes weak girls? I think he licked Robin too, didn't he? You don't think that qualifies as a pretty rape-y scenario?
not really.that's sexual harassment sure,but that's not exactly rape.and he may have raped women,but probably nothing that would ever be directly related to anyone in the story or include characters in the story.that's the main thing.obviously rape and abuse are gonna happen in a world,but we have never been hinted about them in such a way before.god knows what absalom did or planned to do,but none of it came to fruition
although i will take your answer as you expect stuff like this to happen in the known parts of OP.which,not a lot of people think,hence the suprise.
Do you know how many females a year die from domestic abuse? There are a lot of married couples out there where either of the sides (abuse happens to males too, of course) constantly physically abuses the other or even threatens to kill them. Yet people still live together and have sex/children.
Viola could have had many reasons to have a fling with Doflamingo with it being completely consensual on both sides.
again you seem to be bringing up real life scenarios when it's not really pertinent to what we are discussing.we are not saying we are shocked by abusive relationships per se,we are shocked by their presence in OP,where usually such matters are not touched
@Al!naJames:
Yeah, in a story about pirates who constantly invade islands/countries and robe/kill citizens and in a world where there are SLAVES I'm 100% sure rape happens quite often. Do I need to remind you of a scene with Absalom creeping up on Nami in the shower and holding her naked against a wall, saying how he likes weak girls? I think he licked Robin too, didn't he? You don't think that qualifies as a pretty rape-y scenario?
Do you know how many females a year die from domestic abuse? There are a lot of married couples out there where either of the sides (abuse happens to males too, of course) constantly physically abuses the other or even threatens to kill them. Yet people still live together and have sex/children.
Viola could have had many reasons to have a fling with Doflamingo with it being completely consensual on both sides.The marriage between Sanji and Pudding is 1) set up by their families and 2) is done for plot purposes, so it's not really romantic.
! That last page with Sanji embracing her is still probably going to be the most romantic page you ever see in One Piece though.
While I completely agree with Robby Daz, you could also bring up how Blackbeard offered Bonney to avoid being sold to the Marines if she became his personal wench.
Wut?
How is this a thing?
Yes, it's canon. The setting and lines for it are there.
'How could she love him?'
Wut?
How on earth is that your first conclusion?
Viola used her body to survive.
Oh noooo, confirmation that a bad guy is actually a bad guy….
Not like there weren't hints folks.
Didn't you ever find it odd that Mingo just happened to keep her around?
It didn't hit you as strange that she uses a term for him that, even only the inner circle of his inner circle uses to address him?
End of story.
Praise Greg for words of wisdom clap emoji
@Al!naJames:
! That last page with Sanji embracing her is still probably going to be the most romantic page you ever see in One Piece though.
Well we have this too
Even if it will never happen between the Strawhats, it would warm my heart to have more romantic scenes like these with some side characters that won't end in tragedies.
not really.that's sexual harassment sure,but that's not exactly rape.
It's not rape, but it's a rape-y scenario. He could have raped her there and then if One Piece was 16+ instead of 13+ and if Usopp and Chopper didn't watch out for her.
I don't know why are we discussing rape anyway since what was between Doflamingo and Viola was clearly not rape.
I thought this whole relationship was obvious. Dressrosa women stab lovers that piss them off, and Viola attempted to use a knife on Doula Mongo on their battle. Not to mention that whole thing with Viola wanting Sanji to assassinate a certain man early in the arc and her general distrustfulness on men, which she must have acquired from somewhere.
This is definitely a dropped plotline, as Oda did make a big deal of murderous Dressrosa women early on, but didn't really go anywhere meaningful with it
again you seem to be bringing up real life scenarios when it's not really pertinent to what we are discussing.we are not saying we are shocked by abusive relationships per se,we are shocked by their presence in OP,where usually such matters are not touched
My exact point is that I don't understand why people are shocked since it didn't really happen on screen and it makes all possible sense to happen.
Well we have this too
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/29/1d/96/291d96e018579f22550dec53d020b7da.jpg
Even if it will never happen between the Strawhats, it would warm my heart to have more romantic scenes like these with some side characters that won't end in tragedies.
yeah,i would say that is the most and best romance we have gotten in OP.it's tragic,but it's still romance
@Count:
While I completely agree with Robby, you could also bring up how Blackbeard offered Bonney to avoid being sold to the Marines if she became his personal wench.
goof point.i completely forgot about that.though,Robby isn't in this conversation
@Al!naJames:
It's not rape, but it's a rape-y scenario. He could have raped her there and then if One Piece was 16+ instead of 13+ and if Usopp and Chopper didn't watch out for her.
Exactly
I don't know why are we discussing rape anyway since what was between Doflamingo and Viola was clearly not rape.
agreed
@Al!naJames:
My exact point is that I don't understand why people are shocked since it didn't really happen on screen and it makes all possible sense to happen.
it didn't happen on Screen but it is hinted at by Oda,something not happening before.
anyway,what's done is done.it it a part of the story in some manner,but no concrete indication is done either way.as Mr Luffy stated,this indicates a desire to include more romantic/sexual subplots by oda and also ones that are less conventional,only more affirmed by recent developments
also,i think we have only gotten some parts of the SBS,but there should be more stuff
yeah,i would say that is the most and best romance we have gotten in OP.it's tragic,but it's still romance
goof point.i completely forgot about that.though,Robby isn't in this conversation
Exactly
agreed
Ugh, gosh darn it. I meant Daz. Sorry, I've been getting a lack of sleep for the past week lol.
Yeah, mostly, it was established her insanely OP eye powers were her main asset to be a part of the family for so long. Doffy had a gazillion groupies/hookers around him during his re-introduction chapter back in Punk Hazard, so unless he found Viola to be much better than the rest (or there was some sort of infatuation or romantic feeling involved, which is not what's beeing implied here), that doesn't seem like a top reason to keep someone around.
And as Daz said, the "Dofi" and "Violet" during their confrontation sounded like pure mocking to piss each other off, or at least I never thought there was a hint of anything else in there.
This is surpring bit of news. And here I thought Doflamingo had a thing for Crocodile lol.
They probably got it on when Croco-boy was Croco-girl, or he's just bi: who knows.
High-profile leverage (considering Riku was still missing) + extremely useful devil fruit ability?
Any semblance of leverage is entirely null and void because of Sugar.
Many DF's are useful when used creatively but let's not tit-for-tat that point. It remains valid that he's not going to gamble his entire business empire based solely on the fact that one lady (whom he royally screwed over…no pun intended) has a useful ability. He had to trust her.
He chose poorly. Too bad for Mingo, GREAT NEWS FOR THE WORLD.
Isn't that easily explained by them being an evil ex-employer and an ex-employee who are sarcastically using their established monikers?
Nope.
It's not fair to explain it away as, "It's a Japanese thing, you wouldn't get it deeeeeerp!", and it's tempting to say that's the case because, to a certain extent, the cultural importance of the naming and the impact of it is in there but luckily this is a trope in any number of foreign films/stories as well.
There would be, in fact, no weight to her use of the name there unless she used it previously.
Why would her using a term that only Vergo, Pica and Trebol (literally only three other characters) use for him as an affectionate term that expresses their closeness? By using the term there, out of the blue, she'd be painting a strange connection between them for no reason with zero impact.
Consider the house battle in 'Mr. & Mrs. Smith' where they refer to each other by pet names that they used for each other in the past. This is also precisely why the naming is highlighted in quotes in the Japanese version. (Not sure about the English version)
There's really no story here folks. It is what it is, the hints are there and you might not like it but for those looking to read deeper into the world of OP, it's there. I get 'not enjoying' it but denying it or getting angry over it when all the hints are there and it makes sense is just odd.
That's a rather dark thing to even casually imply to a kid.
Cultural differences i guess
lol, that it is. I'm a little surprised myself but I have yet to read the Japanese version of his answer.
I don't think it's that weird that DD and Viola have some kind of sexual relationship in the past. Yes, people can willingly have sex with someone they hate to gain an advantage. Human relationship are complicated to say the least.
Sure Viola ability is useful but literally almost all the top members are devil fruit users. Pica's ability literally modify the entire Dressrosa landscape. There is also sugar. Also Law & his hax fruit.DD is also able to gain access to many devil fruits. He could easily replace her if he wanted to.
Her seducing him to gain favour & trust is not of the question. If DD was infatuated with her (clearly not), he could even spare her family.
Heck, Irina from Assassination classroom flirted and sleep around to get closer to her target.
Without getting into the "it was obvious" - "no it wasn't" discussion (it wasn't :P), Viola's Devil Fruit IS special and incredibly useful if your business model concerns a New World-spanning secret network, with exclusively shady business partners.
I mean jesus, she has the ability to read your mind. Forget about the super vision. She can read your mind. It was even highlighted by Doffy himself how valuable the ability is when they interrogated Law. Don't compare it to the few dozen purely offensive Devil Fruits out there, it's a completely different level of usefulness. Not just a simple "do + 500 damage".
Sure, to a degree Doflamingo had to trust her about the retrieved infos being legit, but with Rebecca as a hostage? What could she possibly do, especially when there was no end in sight? No other choice but play along and use her powers however Doffy sees fit.
Yeah, see that's the tit-for-tat I was talking about. It's never-ending and I can't counter that with any information I have that hasn't been publicly revealed and since there isn't anything concrete available in the comic both sides of that view can bicker endlessly. So if that's what you feel in your heart or what you read, then I guess some part of it might be true in the eye of the reader and that's all that matters, eh? :)
Oh sandman, can you please find Pandaman in the alternative cover?
And Odachi's comment in the cover, too.
Thank you.
@Al!naJames:
My exact point is that I don't understand why people are shocked since it didn't really happen on screen and it makes all possible sense to happen.
Because even if you can make up all sorts of lemon-y reasons for it to have happened "nicely", at the end of the day Violet fucked the guy who had her sister killed. No matter how you slice it thats an insanely huge deal; I don't think Rebecca would shrug at the knowledge that Viola banged Doffy, even if she goes "nonono see, we were both consenting adults! Nothing morally messed up going on here that needs to be acknowledged in-story!" Violet and Doffys history should have a clear impact on her in the manga- show her wrestling with guilt, or at least be deeply conflicted about it.
In related news, I've been inspired to try my hand at the fanfiction business
Dark Tangerine, chapter 1:
Nami was sitting in her map room. It was a starry night. She was working hard, and was very alone and emotionally vulnerable. Suddenly Arlong walked in. He was shirtless, with water running down his amazingly sculpted body. Nami found herself noticing how cool the tatoos actually looked on him. She also noticed that he was drinking, just like her, and thus they both had their inhibitions lowered.
“I just saw your latest map. Good stuff! You’re great at these!”
Nami tried scowling at him, but couldn’t help but be happy at the appreciation of her skills.
“You’re the best human ever Nami…you’re not just good at maps, you’re also cute, what with being 17 years old in this story and thus above the age of consent”
Nami blushed, beside herself. Cute! No one had ever called her cute! In her intoxicated and lonely and emotionally vulnerable stockholmy-state, this suddenly mattered a lot to her. Nami shivered as Arlong put his big, webbed hands on her shoulder. As he leaned in towards her, she caught his intoxicating fishy smell.
“Wanna have a taste of the fishman master race?” he breathed, into Namis ear, and with that her defenses melted. She suddenly turned, and embraced Arlong, much to his surprise.
"Why not" Nami breathed, "Its not like this is going to impact my character or how people see it going forward. We’re both consenting adults so I can’t see anything weird here”.
“Definetely nothing weird”
“Nope. Lets do it, Arlong-san”
“Wait, you don’t think this’ll affect your relationship with your sister?” Arlong replied.
“Shh, don’t make people think about that”, Nami silenced him, and embraced him again.
To be continued in chapter 2: Soft fins, hard erection
What I don't get is Oda going "I didn't said it in the chapter because it would be too dark for kids, so I'm saying it now in the SBS the kids will read with the chapters".
He is not so much directly saying it but rather alluding to it. I doubt a kid would really get what he was implying there.