Chapter 858: The Meeting

Shobu Yoruichi

Sanji wanting to save his family isn't him being a pussy, it's him actually having human empathy and wanting to save lives. Attributing that to cowardice/wangst is laughable.

Now, I fully support Chiffon's decision, all power to her. But just because the two have different approaches to their abusive family doesn't mean one is better than the other.

Sanji is the only one outside Germa who knows how Vinsmokes cares for their clones :ninja: He wants to save murders and whatever the conclusion, can't stop them at keep killing.

Yet, i don't have a problem with that nor with punching the one he later pledges on in return with him but on one condition, plus crying all the arc. Instead, Chiffon… the very same but with Mom taking credits from her as a good for nothing, continues attaching to life, gives an offspring and supports the hardships that her spouse wants to face no matter the conclusion.

I just felt that, after reading Sanji's shenanigans, it deserved credit, and the best way to do it... it's calling him pussy xD

Sephi

Quite the humorous chapter. I found it enjoyable. More detailed thoughts after I sleep on it.

SabZ

Elbaf has a powerful army and is the strongest country in the world, I'm willing to bet the king is as strong as any Yonko but isn't considered as much of a threat without the allies or the motive to find One Piece (should that be the case). When we get to Elbaf I think Usopp will prove some sort of outrageous bravery which will lead to the Elbaf army being his own… now that I can't wait for.

KageKageKing

@$abZ:

Elbaf has a powerful army and is the strongest country in the world, I'm willing to bet the king is as strong as any Yonko but isn't considered as much of a threat without the allies or the motive to find One Piece (should that be the case). When we get to Elbaf I think Usopp will prove some sort of outrageous bravery which will lead to the Elbaf army being his own… now that I can't wait for.

An army of an entire kingdom made up by giants would easily be considered one of the strongest even if their leader isn't a strong individual like a Yonko.

Dranza

I never wanted CC as a crew member but GG has won me over, if Luffy becomes less innocent and more pirate-y with age he might actually accommodate former scumbags. Pedro looks so sick in that suit damn.

DemonX

Haha, loved this chapter.

SHpirates

@allbluebro:

Jump on that Carrot train buddy! Just lookout you will get haters saying she is a Chopper clone and has no place in the crew.

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Sanji is more like the underboss, Zoro is more like "The Wolf" or a hired hitman.

Carrot is not joining cause Jimbei is and if anyone else should join it would be either Pekoms or Pedro grownups is what SH needs now!

Fang- 0

@blue-san:

Some things here are strange… like Caesar being left by Big Mom trusting a new addition Capone so much. I dont buy it...She probably will get a wind if not already of this...

Also chopper who hates baths, takes one so hapily...?

Also it bothers me that up to now besides Capone and Caesar there are maybe just 2 of his crew who stand out...

Idk a lot of things which make me think this will go to poo fast

I often wonder why you continue to read One Piece, since every week seems to be met with negativity from you. No offense meant. I just lurk every week and never post, but I just had to say something. Carry on however you like, I just don't understand why you're here. Doesn't matter though lol as long as you enjoy what you do. I'm off to lurk some more. Have a good one

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Shobu:

Sanji is the only one outside Germa who knows how Vinsmokes cares for their clones :ninja: He wants to save murders and whatever the conclusion, can't stop them at keep killing.

Yet, i don't have a problem with that nor with punching the one he later pledges on in return with him but on one condition, plus crying all the arc. Instead, Chiffon… the very same but with Mom taking credits from her as a good for nothing, continues attaching to life, gives an offspring and supports the hardships that her spouse wants to face no matter the conclusion.

I just felt that, after reading Sanji's shenanigans, it deserved credit, and the best way to do it... it's calling him pussy xD

Chiffon and Sanji come from similar situations but do not follow the same arc.

Chiffon started suffering the abuse as an adult. Sanji was abused as a kid. Not to mention that we never even saw Chiffon abandoning her family on-panel, what's to say she didn't cry? I'd be willing to bet she did. Sanji isn't crying now either, he's all business, so there's really no way you can compare the two in that regard. Sanji moved on with his life just like Chiffon did, he found two real families in the Baratie staff and Straw Hats.

But now the situations they are in are different. Let's say Chiffon was captured by Big Mom and forced to bend to her will or else Lola would die. And let's say Luffy came up with a plot to take down Big Mom. Sanji would be onboard with that, considering that he was first on the fight train to Enies Lobby. And Chiffon probably wouldn't want Bege and Pez to have their lives risked just for her. See the difference here? In most other circumstances Sanji would probably be extremely willing to fight his family. But the two have gone through different arcs; Sanji's experiences have given him a compassion for his family, while Chiffon's have made her numb to hers. Don't have to degrade Sanji to make Chiffon look any better, both are making strong choices reflective of their characters and experiences.

Strooger

@$abZ:

Elbaf has a powerful army and is the strongest country in the world, I'm willing to bet the king is as strong as any Yonko but isn't considered as much of a threat without the allies or the motive to find One Piece (should that be the case). When we get to Elbaf I think Usopp will prove some sort of outrageous bravery which will lead to the Elbaf army being his own… now that I can't wait for.

I would love it if Usopp was hailed as a hero on Elbaf when they go there. Oimo, Kashi and Haijrudin have spread all of these tales of his bravery and amazing abilities, but as time has passed, the Sagas are basically a replication of his old lies. Like his army of 8.000 men.

Xskart

wasnt wano also called strongest ? or was it just called so strong that they can be independent?

fuzi11

Why would Big Mom marry off her hated and despised daughter to a man she apparently trusted so much, that she would let him guard not only the key scientist to complete her giantification dream but also the key event giving her an unlimited amount of clone soldiers.

Something is fishy about that.

Psycrow

@fuzi11:

Why would Big Mom marry off her hated and despised daughter to a man she apparently trusted so much, that she would let him guard not only the key scientist to complete her giantification dream but also the key event giving her an unlimited amount of clone soldiers.

Something is fishy about that.

Is it? The Vinsmokes are trying to marry off their hated son to gain power. And trust, with a different person, is unrelated lol

Kaido King of the Beasts

@fuzi11:

Why would Big Mom marry off her hated and despised daughter to a man she apparently trusted so much, that she would let him guard not only the key scientist to complete her giantification dream but also the key event giving her an unlimited amount of clone soldiers.

Something is fishy about that.

It's not like she trusted Bege then.

ARTEMlS

Btw I love how Caesar is depicted on even terms with Luffy and Bege at the very end of the chapter narratively.

killerbee1000

Great chapter, I feel sorry for what Chiffon had to go through, being physically abused by her mother over something she has no control over.

I didn't even notice Caesar at first, until he was pointed out by Luffy lol.

Buggy D. Clown

@ARTEMlS:

Btw I love how Caesar is depicted on even terms with Luffy and Bege at the very end of the chapter narratively.

Ceaser? That's Gangster Gastino!!

I think it's just the 3 factions involved..Ceaser is on his own.

fuzi11

@Buggy:

Ceaser? That's Gangster Gastino!!

I think it's just the 3 factions involved..Ceaser is on his own.

For Now until he becomes a Straw Hat

Buggy D. Clown

@fuzi11:

For Now until he becomes a Straw Hat

Nah, he'll never be a SH

allbluebro

@SHpirates:

Carrot is not joining cause Jimbei is and if anyone else should join it would be either Pekoms or Pedro grownups is what SH needs now!

I would take Carrot and Momo over those two any day of the week. Any day. Pekoms is fodder and Pedro is a badass but is not as enjoyable of a character as Carrot and has much less personality to boot.

desa

@Xskart:

wasnt wano also called strongest ? or was it just called so strong that they can be independent?

They only said they were strong enough that marines left them alone.

allbluebro

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allbluebro

@fuzi11:

For Now until he becomes a Straw Hat

@Buggy:

Nah, he'll never be a SH

He experimented on children, tortured, killed ,and enslaved countless subjects. He is a likeable bad guy in a unique situation, not a SH. There is a small window for redemption at this point but I think if given the chance he will blow his chance to redeem himself and be stopped by an epic Vegapunk appearance.

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Jimbei is probably going to have his memory erased or get turned into an intimate object for 200 chapters or something, I can see it coming.

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After rereading my post I decided I'm not editing my typo because it's better this way.

Nycprodigy

I figure whatever Lola did to escape from Big Mom will be key for the Strawhats to escape Whole Cake in one piece.

dpstatic

I definitely feel like the Straw Hats could be getting two new crewmates out of this arc. Jimbe is obvious, as for the second I feel Carrot is most likely, but I could see that honor going to Pekoms or Pedro, but I feel like Carrot is much more likely.

@Nycprodigy:

I figure whatever Lola did to escape from Big Mom will be key for the Strawhats to escape Whole Cake in one piece.

I see what you did there.

Monquito

@dpstatic:

I definitely feel like the Straw Hats could be getting two new crewmates out of this arc. Jimbe is obvious, as for the second I feel Carrot is most likely, but I could see that honor going to Pekoms or Pedro, but I feel like Carrot is much more likely.

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tbh Pudding is much more interesting than those three combined, I don't even understand how the wagon isn't full of Puddiners when people have tried to justifiy evil-doers before(Monet for example)

however, if you considered a 2nd joining, how come you picked up the most boring ones??

dpstatic

I don't think Carrot, Pekoms, or Pedro are all that boring, aside from the whole deception plot twist, I don't think Pudding is all that interesting, but who knows where things will go from here. I guess the idea of Pudding joining the Straw Hats left my mind when it was revealed that she'd been deceiving the Straw Hats. I will concede that she deserves a place on the list of potential Straw Hats, however I am still placing my bets that it will either be Jimbe joining solo or Jimbe and Carrot joining.

Shobu Yoruichi

@Kaido:

Chiffon and Sanji come from similar situations but do not follow the same arc.

Chiffon started suffering the abuse as an adult. Sanji was abused as a kid. Not to mention that we never even saw Chiffon abandoning her family on-panel, what's to say she didn't cry? I'd be willing to bet she did. Sanji isn't crying now either, he's all business, so there's really no way you can compare the two in that regard. Sanji moved on with his life just like Chiffon did, he found two real families in the Baratie staff and Straw Hats.

I wouldn't put teenhood in the same grade as adulthood, but i'm not here to debate about that.

I don't mind Chiffon crying, whatever is happening to her. Sanji is now better, asking for help… the same he was kicking before, for plotsake obviously. That, at least to me, puts him in a moronic neanderthal childish state of mind, and i what used to read on Mr. Prince's cleverness, things would've been better for Sanji as a person, that in the same moment he met Luffy, the battle started. They would've ended in prison either way... but killed and with the Baratie either!? Obviously no.

But now the situations they are in are different. Let's say Chiffon was captured by Big Mom and forced to bend to her will or else Lola would die. And let's say Luffy came up with a plot to take down Big Mom. Sanji would be onboard with that, considering that he was first on the fight train to Enies Lobby. And Chiffon probably wouldn't want Bege and Pez to have their lives risked just for her. See the difference here? In most other circumstances Sanji would probably be extremely willing to fight his family. But the two have gone through different arcs; Sanji's experiences have given him a compassion for his family, while Chiffon's have made her numb to hers. Don't have to degrade Sanji to make Chiffon look any better, both are making strong choices reflective of their characters and experiences.

Oda puts Sanji's mind with the view of Vivi at Alabasta, wanting everybody alive. That is impossible, because people dies, just as Luffy replied her. I'm noting how the stupidity of a character make it look worse when other one with similar situations decides all with a simple answer. Now, after saving the Vinsmokes, what are the chances of them to not kill all the people in the Baratie in retaliation for Sanji's future actions against the wedding?

Still, i don't mind pretty much about Sanji's actions until now. But really Chiffon's simplicity over her very similar predicament, makes Sanji look like he returned to that age of abuse, and while being adult, just a pussy xd.

uniaka ikuzakas

I wonder if the 43 ex husbands of BM are invited at the wedding. I can see them turn into luffy's allies.

lello4ever

carrot would be a boring crewmate. half chopper cuteness half nami sexiness… she would add little to the complexity of the strawhats imo

KageKageKing

@uniaka:

I wonder if the 43 ex husbands of BM are invited at the wedding. I can see them turn into luffy's allies.

Pretty sure all of them have nothing to do with her anymore….Just like real life.

G_soildier

pedro from the minks would be my pick…. with fish Boss. but all three minks joining or none would not be bad imo. This chapter..... the excitement builds......

big mom future: not pretty for her..... i hope for once oda shows people suffer due to the actions of the strawhats; if an emperor falls akin to whitebeard all places under their protection n rule and its inhabitants should have a similar fate even for emperors with reputations like big mom and kaido

fun times ahead.

Lengsel

The whole Vinsmoke family will be wiped out except for Sanji and Reiju. Next SH member will be Reiju. I like the cognitive dissonance that's at play inside her head.

K. Kira XXIII

I think at best, Pedro, Pekoms and Carrot go help with the search of the final Poneglyph. As the Nox Carrot Pirates.

G_soildier

@Tamiel:

I think at best, Pedro, Pekoms and Carrot go help with the search of the final Poneglyph. As the Nox Carrot Pirates.

lol nox carrot…..hahahahaha

huron

@lello4ever:

carrot would be a boring crewmate. half chopper cuteness half nami sexiness… she would add little to the complexity of the strawhats imo

Could not disagree more she would be so awesome in the crew…I d like her Jinbe and Reju to join ..

Dranza

Carrot is imitating the strawhats and is figuring out what it means to be like them, to be their nakama. She's got a vicious side to her as well which Chopper doesn't have, her electro is unique to her race, her sense of adventure is something Luffy would admire, her gender will be very welcome as it's becoming a sausage-fest. She has a lot going for her and it's a bit unfair for people to just set her aside because of personal bias. She's awesome. Before this arc some people were saying Jinbei was bland and some are still saying it but are now having to reconsider because he's inevitably going to become a member or they're hoping he gets "killed off". Jinbei dying will add absolutely nothing to the story, nothing.

sgamer82

Personally I think I'd like to see Carrot opt to set out to sea on her own. I can already picture the cover story: The White Rabbit's Journey Through Wonderland

flyingpanman

@G_soildier:

pedro from the minks would be my pick…. with fish Boss. but all three minks joining or none would not be bad imo. This chapter..... the excitement builds......

big mom future: not pretty for her..... i hope for once oda shows people suffer due to the actions of the strawhats; if an emperor falls akin to whitebeard all places under their protection n rule and its inhabitants should have a similar fate even for emperors with reputations like big mom and kaido

fun times ahead.

Oda did show people suffering due to the actions of the strawhats in Dressrosa - because Doflamingo was brought down, lack of weapons supply caused certain countries to lose the war they were fighting

Monquito

@sgamer82:

Personally I think I'd like to see Carrot opt to set out to sea on her own. I can already picture the cover story: The White Rabbit's Journey Through Wonderland

I saw this comment of yours in other thread, and I do agree, the Nox pirates are back with Captain Carrot!! or I don't know, Join the beautiful pirates to get the salad with Carrot and Cabbage??

Dusty

I wouldn't mind Carrot and Jinbei joining up. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR JINBEI FOR YEARS SO WE BETTER BE GETTING HIM. As for Carrot… it's tough to say..... Jinebei's proving to be a really great strategist, so i'm not sure what role Carrot could play if she did join...

The merchandise for her would be crazy if she did join though lol

Don Ed

I wonder who else will attend Big Mom's tea party/ the wedding ceremony, invited or not, besides the characters that already arrived on the island?..

IMO Aladine should be there since he is part of her family now but -

What about other pirates, parts of BM's fleet, members of the underground, or maybe representatives of the other yonkous, or even the World Government?

The party is a huge event, and Big Mom is portrayed as insanely powerful, also she has been around a long time,

Any suggestions?

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@Monquito:

I saw this comment of yours in other thread, and I do agree, the Nox pirates are back with Captain Carrot!! or I don't know, Join the beautiful pirates to get the salad with Carrot and Cabbage??

That's a healthy pair, I ship it

lello4ever

@Dranza:

it's a bit unfair for people to just set her aside because of personal bias. She's awesome.

it's personal opinions here, just like your awesome

choperman

Do we have a chapter this week? I heard Golden week was coming up soon

Galaxy 9000

@choperman:

Do we have a chapter this week? I heard Golden week was coming up soon

Yes, there will be a chapter this week.

Golden Week is at the end of April.

choperman

@Galaxy:

Yes, there will be a chapter this week.

Golden Week is at the end of April.

Thanks Man!!!!

16 characters of thanks

Kuraudo Sutoraifu

@Dranza:

Carrot is imitating the strawhats and is figuring out what it means to be like them, to be their nakama. She's got a vicious side to her as well which Chopper doesn't have, her electro is unique to her race, her sense of adventure is something Luffy would admire, her gender will be very welcome as it's becoming a sausage-fest. She has a lot going for her and it's a bit unfair for people to just set her aside because of personal bias. She's awesome. Before this arc some people were saying Jinbei was bland and some are still saying it but are now having to reconsider because he's inevitably going to become a member or they're hoping he gets "killed off". Jinbei dying will add absolutely nothing to the story, nothing.

Assuming Jinbei is actually lying about losing some life to Big Mom, I could picture a situation where Jinbe only has like 1-2 years left which would add some urgency in finishing the story and finding the One Piece. I would personally hate this outcome, but I can't believe for a second that Jinbe actually backed down against Big Mom and she let him go without any actual consequences.

As for Carrot, hoping it's a one-two join situation. I'm still holding out hope for more development on Pudding as a potential ally once we know her backstory and if she's tied to Bege in any way.

O baba

I like carot but the fit the nakama pattern she missed the dream factor

Dranza

@Kuraudo:

Assuming Jinbei is actually lying about losing some life to Big Mom, I could picture a situation where Jinbe only has like 1-2 years left which would add some urgency in finishing the story and finding the One Piece. I would personally hate this outcome, but I can't believe for a second that Jinbe actually backed down against Big Mom and she let him go without any actual consequences.

As for Carrot, hoping it's a one-two join situation. I'm still holding out hope for more development on Pudding as a potential ally once we know her backstory and if she's tied to Bege in any way.

Oh I've been holding out for Pudding having more to her ever since the "reveal" of her being evil, I think she's team Chiffon and Lola