Okay, this topic deals with cliches found in most anime/manga is broken in One Piece. I knew some chiches that is broken like in most anime/manga protagoinst have spiky hair and always win and never needs help. In OP, Luffy don't have spiky hair and he does not always win the frist round and needs help.
Can some list most anime/manga cliches that is broken by One Piece?
Power up levels? There is no 'Ultimate attack' or 'that jutsu' in One Piece for the most part, except for the dials and Nami's clima tact.
1. not all the girls are drippy and need the main guy to save them.
2. Not full of girly-guy bishonen
I'll think of more…
Instead of some wild scrappy guy with a bottomless pit for a stomach, we have a sophisticated, calculating main character. Oh, wait.
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No aggrivating, pointless animal mascot. Instead we get an adorable reindeer for a doctor
No romance. There are some pairs that people consider practically cannon, but the only official couples are supporting characters that are married and it's not made a big deal out of. The rest is all subject to interpretation if the reader is so inclined.
No cute-but-stupid, helpless anime girl with huge eyes who looks at people with big cow eyes when she falls on her butt in the middle of something important.
No fanservice or panty shots.
If you spoiler me, I will eat you with tater tots.
No fanservice or panty shots.
No panty shots true… but you can't say theres no fanservice with some of the girls boob sizes and outfits...
Well the point is debateable. I consider fanservice to be a girl with very carefully animated boob bouncing, or that sort of thing. Yeah, the girls can dress in revealing clothing, but I never felt like it was gratuitous in any way, but that's me.
A lot of "service" characters blown up into major, defining roles (Sanji and Chopper)
It's not a quest that involves a successive set of bigger and bigger bosses necessarily. The bosses are also not all the same organization.
The handsome, polite butler isn't just a background character, and he's not a good if excessively proper and conservative man.
The women are equally competent as the men, and especially in early chapters, frequently smarter and more cunning.
No spiky hair.
On the power-level scheme, there's also no "formal transitions". Sanji doesn't ever have to take a test to qualify him as the next level of cook or kicking bloke, and Captain Morgan is the only one concerned with ranks.
Prettiness and goodness don't align. You have to admit bad guys like Mihawk, Kuro, Kuroobi, Smoker, and Alvida 2.0 are more fetching than Luffy and Zoro (dares not suggest Usopp isn't handsome around here ^.^)
The coward isn't comic relief.
Comic characters still can have touching stories (Gaimon)
There's no collecting. No "we must get the 40 keys to the gate of Raftel", no "we must amass all the Devil Fruits cos Sanji is making Nami one hell of a fruit salad"
I could swear I've seen a Nami panty shot before. But it's definately not something you see a lot, like some other anime I have watched.
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. . . What's a cliche??? :mellow:
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I could swear I've seen a Nami panty shot before. But it's definately not something you see a lot, like some other anime I have watched.
Or LACK of panty wasn't it? in arabasta Nami VS Miss double fingre
Prettiness and goodness don't align. You have to admit bad guys like Mihawk, Kuro, Kuroobi, Smoker, and Alvida 2.0 are more fetching than Luffy and Zoro (dares not suggest Usopp isn't handsome around here ^.^
saved! XD
I agree with your other points too. I hate when theres a char just put in to either JUST look pretty or to just be laughed at.. x.x
. . . What's a cliche??? :mellow:
Like a stero type.
I think? I know what it is I just can't explain… its like a tipical thing like say.. most other animes always have spiky hair? or loads of bad romance?
Okay, Thanks funkyfunkyusopp. I understand now. So, it's something that most of the anime/manga have in common but One Piece don't right?
The three sword-style - most tend to stick to only one or two (or none).
I could swear I've seen a Nami panty shot before. But it's definately not something you see a lot, like some other anime I have watched.
maybe its in the fourth opening, bon voyage
oh… thanks for telling me
Instead of some wild scrappy guy with a bottomless pit for a stomach, we have a sophisticated, calculating main character. Oh, wait.
Lol, you did it again! From now on I should really start to put my drinks aside before I start to one of your replies. :laugh:
Strong influence on friends, very rarely has a OP character gone off on his/her own like a lone ranger. (Apart from Usopp, but he'll be back.)
No cute-but-stupid, helpless anime girl with huge eyes who looks at people with big cow eyes when she falls on her butt in the middle of something important.
Well we have seen Nami play that role a couple of times, but only if she thinks she can get something out of it. In all fairness, she does get that calculating look in her eye beforehand so it may not count.
The new chapter doesn't start off with a "summary" of the last one, with the last panels redrawn. It's completely new from start to finish.
The action is mostly smooth, and isn't constantly interrupted by talk, taunts, screaming, and interior statings-of-what-a-persons plan is. In fact, plans, attacks and strategies are never explained and repeated to such an extent that it insults the readers' intelligence.
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…In fact, plans, attacks and strategies are never explained and repeated to such an extent, that it insults the readers' intelligence.
Good point. I hate it when authors do that. Like in Revenge of the Sith when Amidala said: "Anakin, you are breaking my heart!" What the…? The scene itself should have delivered the message to us, we don´t need that dialog to tell us. It´s as if the creator included it because he doesn´t trust our intelligence to discuver it on our own.
Null actually include such additional stuff in their scanslations.
No character is the same as another. So, Luffy's a rubber, optimistic, hyperactive lil bloke, Zoro's calm, mocking and cocky, Usopp's strategic, slightly cowardly and comic, and so on.
The plot is different and it's not like some mangas where it's like a soap opera and is too complicated to even know what's happening
None of the heroes have a sword that's bigger then thier body.
Oda knows when the hero has been using Deus ex Machina too many times. (Some manga use DEM all the time)
Doesn't fill it to the brim with Japanese references thus making it impossible for the American reader to understand.
Each characters attack names are unique (Luffy's "Gomu Gomu no" followed by a weapon, Zoro using animals or demons, Nami with the weather, Usopp with "Boshis", Sanji attacking the person then saying the body part in French, Chopper's Rumble Balls and Points, Robin's Spainish names, Franky . . . it's hard to explain Franky)
No training-break-offs from the story; Zoro, doesn't count, he does it while they're travelling.
This of course results in: No time Skips.
Doesn't fill it to the brim with Japanese references thus making it impossible for the American reader to understand.
Oooh yeah. I like how I can pronounce all the names.
EDIT:
Robin's Spainish names
I thought that was French too?
None of the heroes have a sword that's bigger then thier body.
Oda knows when the hero has been using Deus ex Machina too many times. (Some manga use DEM all the time)
Doesn't fill it to the brim with Japanese references thus making it impossible for the American reader to understand.
Each characters attack names are unique (Luffy's "Gomu Gomu no" followed by a weapon, Zoro using animals or demons, Nami with the weather, Usopp with "Boshis", Sanji attacking the person then saying the body part in French, Chopper's Rumble Balls and Points, Robin's Spainish names, Franky . . . it's hard to explain Franky)
Franky is just Franky…. he's one of those things/people you can't explain.
also. good points!
Having the same type of eyes used constantly for each gender. (the males and females in anime are usualy assigned a different design for there eyes and it is applied for all characters) In OP, almost everyone has a different eye style
I thought that was French too?
Nope, Spanish. 
EDIT: Oh wait, I just looked up her attacks. They seem to be BOTH Spanish and French. ( Cinco Fleur, Veinte Fleur, and of course there's Clutch. )
I like how no one completely fits into any stereotype. For example, Zoro - he's a swordsman, but he's not overly "Blah blah blah I'M A LONE WOLF yada yada yada I'LL GO SIT IN MY CORNER WITH MY RAZORS AND LINKIN PARK" Every character has their own quircks that makes them them.
I could have sworn most of Robin's were Italian. Crocodile were in Spanish I think. Sanji was the French one.
I love how Oda puts hints and meaningful info in early and makes you remember instead of a character flashing back to a previous scence just to remind readers.
EDIT: Oops Nevermind, Robin was Spanish. Chopper was the Italian on
Robin´s is a mix of spanish and french. The "fleur" is french. Everything else is spanish, the numbers or the different ways of the attack (ex: Ojos Fleur). Ojos is the spanish term for eyes.
Robin: Spanish
Sanji: French
Crocodile: Italian
That's it, i think.
Actually, Crocodile's attacks are French as well, Demon Days. ^^
I thought they were Italian.
Hmmm, well "Sable" is French, at least according to the K-F translator notes, and I know at least one or two of the other half of the attack names are Spanish. But there might be Italian in there as well, I really don't know.
And Vilia, Nami's play-acting doesn't count in my mind, I meant a character that was genuinely like that in an effort by the creators to be cute or something. ^_~
There's one Italian move that Crocodile uses that I know of - 'La Spada,' which was translated to 'Blades.' Oi, DF users with their twisted use of romance languages. >_<
Actually, that really interests me. The languages I mean…
Lots of Luffy's moves use english words (Pistol, for example) but is that just because those words sound the same in japanese? And Sanji is french, and Doublefinger is in english....
Oda must know like a billion languages 0_0 or has friends who do, anyway.
There are no silver-haired heroes/villains at all.
The characters can cry seriously and not always in the hysterical sense.
Oh yeah! None of the girls weep pretty sparkly shoujo tears and look elegant and pretty while they do it, it's the quivvery-lipped, snot running out your nose, full-on bawling that everyone else does. And the men cry, too! And it doesn't decrease their manliness at all!
If you spoiler me, I will eat you with tater tots.
Last time I checked, crying increases a man's manliness by up to 30%. Oh God I'm so gay. Shame on me.(but thank you, Chopper and Vivi, for making me cry. Woohoo!)
Bevin thats one of the early things I noticed about the OP too. How many times have you seen a guy cry in any other anime/manga and still be manly?
Don´t know if it has been said before, but one cliche Oda broke in One Piece and what makes it so great is that the next villain they approach is the next "super-strongest-dude-in-the-world/universe".
It is so annoying if someone is established as the strongest there is but once he gets surpassed by the hero there´s the next strongest there is. For instance DragonBall, Piccolo was the strongest there was until Goku defeated him. But then Raddiz was the strongest there is until he got killed. After that Vegeta was the strongest there is and after he got defeated Frieza was the next one and so on and so on.
One Piece is different here. Of course the strenght of the antagonists grows if you compare guys like Crocodile and Enel, to guys like Arlong and Don Krieg. But the cool part is that nobody of them is labeled as the worlds strongest man. They are all just the next big thing the Strawhats encounter but the strongest are already established with Mihawk being the strongest swordsman, Aokiji being the strongest marine officer and Whitbeard being the strongest guy in the world.
This is great because no matter who the Strawhats defeat on their way to the top, nobody will go and ask "And why didn´t we hear anything of Whitebeard before if he is the strongest guy in the world?". In DBZ you could ask this question whenever a new villain appeared.
And another great thing is that the next villain does not automatically have to be stronger then the previous one. In fact with on the right terrain and with a good battle tactic Crocodile, Enel, Lucci all could beat each other. Definitely a broken cliche because it´s not that linear.
While I'll admti that DBZ was bad about "He's the strongest, no wait he's the strongest, no wait, HE'S the strongest" you can't say it went without reason. Most common of which was the simple fact that most of the characters (and through that, the readers) didn't even know those other strongests existed at all.
Though I do agree that One Piece does this very nicely. Establishing, to the readers anyway, just who are the most powerful around and even making clear (or at least implying) it'll probably still be awhile before the crew ever encounters them (Or encounters them again, int he cases of Mihawk and Blue Kiji).
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
Don´t know if it has been said before, but one cliche Oda broke in One Piece and what makes it so great is that the next villain they approach is the next "super-strongest-dude-in-the-world/universe".
It is so annoying if someone is established as the strongest there is but once he gets surpassed by the hero there´s the next strongest there is. For instance DragonBall, Piccolo was the strongest there was until Goku defeated him. But then Raddiz was the strongest there is until he got killed. After that Vegeta was the strongest there is and after he got defeated Frieza was the next one and so on and so on.
Bounties as well. Through Alabastia, Crocodile had an extremely high bounty of 81,000,000 berries, which was dwarfed by Luffy's 100,000,000. At the time, I'm sure people were thinking, "Luffy's pretty much the strongest pirate around!"
Not too long after that, Oda introduces Kuma and de Flamingo, which absolutely huge bounties, which present such a dramatic contrast that Luffy and Crocodile (who seems completely inferior) are paled in comparison.
Futhermore, the weakest newbie on Shank's crew, Rockstar, had a bounty of 94,000,000 and was relatively unknown.
There's no massive ego trip in OP. What a pleasant change.
While I'll admti that DBZ was bad about "He's the strongest, no wait he's the strongest, no wait, HE'S the strongest" you can't say it went without reason. Most common of which was the simple fact that most of the characters (and through that, the readers) didn't even know those other strongests existed at all.
Very true what you say. And yet another (or should I say sub)point why Oda broke a cliche here. It´s the let´s call it framing the room where it takes place.
In DB/DBZ the frame is set to take place on (Toriyama´s own) Earth. And the strongest there were already found. So in order to find the next strongest you have to widen the frame so now it is the Galaxy. When you found the strongest in the Galaxy then out of a sudden there was North, South, Hork and Pork Galaxies. That is a cliche that also gets constantly reused in stereotype Hollywood crap. It can be found in every move that has a "…the Return/returns/blah blah blah" in the title. It´s a very classic cliche.
And Oda is different. The frame is set. It is just this planet. There´s the four Blue´s, the Red Line and the Grand Line. Everything that takes place happens in this frame. Oda doesn´t have to widen the frame. He made it wide enough to leave lots of free spaces within it that weren´t discovered yet. That´s what I call breaking a cliche.
Two more cliches' that Oda has broken.
1. Finishing moves. Many times, there is some final move that the main protagonist pulls off that signals the end of the battle. With Luffy, it seems like he develops a new devestating move with each big bad guy that he uses in later battles.
2. The useless cute character. Look at Chopper, he represents the cute side character, but he has also had his share of tough battles, like the Mr.4/Mrs. Merry Chistmas team. Or he went one on one with Gedatsu. Which is probably why we adore him instead of hate him like most other fluffy characters on other anime.
If I think I'm insane, does it mean I'm not? Because a truly insane person wouldn't know that they are insane?
I'm looking through the colourspreads right now and I've noticed: has there been any other manga that had the main characters pictured relaxing with groups of personified animals?
one piece can go over 200 episodes and still be one of the best shows ever if not the best.
this one is just for me but, i like most of the characters.
the girls aren't helpless. (sorry if this has been said i don't remember)
 
