I think I'll stick around this thread instead… Haha. Waiting with bated breath for the solicits soon.
Funimation DVD Discussion IV (Please Check First Post for FAQ)
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Some solicitations were leaked last night, sadly no One Piece, but let's hope they list it today or tomorrow when they are due.
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There's a con on Saturday too, so there's a chance if we don't get them Friday (which has happened before) they'll just announce the slate at the con.
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Some solicitations were leaked last night, sadly no One Piece, but let's hope they list it today or tomorrow when they are due.
What did get leaked?
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@Elektrik:
What did get leaked?
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Only about half of the preorders dropped so far. OP could still be in the other half, but I’m never hopeful.
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Looks like the first half of the month May solicitations dropped. Glad to see MHA Season 3 is finally on there, but man I'll be distraught if One Piece isn't in that second half. Guess we'll find out no later than tomorrow.
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Starting the new year off with yet again no news on One Piece. Between "other things going on" and the lack of any information of One Piece, my respect for FUNi has plummeted considerably lately.
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Some solicitations were leaked last night, sadly no One Piece, but let's hope they list it today or tomorrow when they are due.
I'm still sticking with my prediction that if a future season is announced this year … it'll be late this year, fall/winter timeframe (but i also wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see any season 10 this year)
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I'm still sticking with my prediction that if a future season is announced this year … it'll be late this year, fall/winter timeframe (but i also wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see any season 10 this year)
But whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Funimation are remaining tight lipped on what's going on with the dub. People are asking, but nothing from them. We're not asking for much, we just want to know what is happening.
It would be nice if they would communicate with their customer base, especially as it has literally been a year now (assuming S10 V1 doesn't show up on the full slate later today) since we last got any dub episodes.
We were making real ground on the sub 3 years back, but since the Simuldub initiative came in, we've lost the momentum, and drifted further back.
If these Simuldubs are stretching them that thin, they need to starting being more selective.
Next season, Attack on Titan is back, but Kimetsu no Yaiba, One Punch Man and Bungo Stray Dogs will all go to Bang Zoom, not sure about KnY, but seeing as it's an aniplex licensed show, it is likely. There isn't a great deal I can see Funimation going for, so hopefully, they'll actually give One Piece and even Super a priority, as they are only 5 episodes recorded ahead of Toonami right now, which isn't ideal, as it's getting way too close.
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Well, next season Funimation is going to be really busy with Attack on Titan and Fruits Basket (the orginal Fruits Basket anime is one Funimation really huge hits) for sure.
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I get One Piece will never be in a position to be Simuldubbed, but they need to show some love here, as it's one of their biggest licenses.
I wouldn’t say that. They were open to it years ago, even asking around to test the waters, but there was no outcry and some people actively were against it because they thought it would negatively impact the quality. So Funi decided it was too hard a task to tackle for too little an audience. That’s disappointing, to say the least. A simuldub would make me very, very happy.
It’s ridiculous that they’ve been so tight-lipped for a year straight. Most companies would say a target date “spring 2019” or something. Even Colleen was saying on twotter a few months ago how she wanted more OP. So I really have no idea what the hold up is. Blu-ray rights or song licenses is the only thing I can imagine holding back the already dubbed season.
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Also, everyone needs to get out there and buy the DVDs to support the show.
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Was there a convention or something today? Why were people so sure the solicits would drop? Nothing yet.
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Just checked out the simuldub slate for this season, and I just kept finding myself asking "wtf were they thinking?"
They've got one show called "Rinshi!! Ekodachan" that's some sort of weird biography/interview series that's like 10% animated and 90% live action. While there wasn't a ton of resources put into the thing, since they only bothered to dub the animated bits, the question still remains why they even bothered to spend money and valuable resources for something absolutely nobody asked for?
Also, why does a show called "My Roommate is a Cat" need a simuldub? Do we really need 5 shows about being trapped/reincarnated in another universe with girls that look like they have mangos attached to their chests??
Seriously, Funi needs to get their act together instead of wasting $$ on this flash-in-the-pan crap and start investing more in their evergreen properties. You know, like One Piece.
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So maybe their industry panel tomorrow? I don't think solicits are going up today after all.
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Just checked out the simuldub slate for this season, and I just kept finding myself asking "wtf were they thinking?"
They've got one show called "Rinshi!! Ekodachan" that's some sort of weird biography/interview series that's like 10% animated and 90% live action. While there wasn't a ton of resources put into the thing, since they only bothered to dub the animated bits, the question still remains why they even bothered to spend money and valuable resources for something absolutely nobody asked for?
Also, why does a show called "My Roommate is a Cat" need a simuldub? Do we really need 5 shows about being trapped/reincarnated in another universe with girls that look like they have mangos attached to their chests??
Seriously, Funi needs to get their act together instead of wasting $$ on this flash-in-the-pan crap and start investing more in their evergreen properties. You know, like One Piece.
I brought up the same thing on r/anime, but people hated on me for it. Apparently there is a vocal minority that actually like these shows AND wants dubs of them
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Yeah, some of the things they do simuldub doesn't make sense to me as well. I mean of the next season of stuff we know for sure both Attack on Titan and Fruits Basket is pretty much a sure thing for simuldubs. Since both Attack on Titan and Fruits Basket are two of Funimation's mega hit series outside of Dragon Ball (Fruits Basket in Funimation's early years was their first major hit series outside of the Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho.).
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List is populating now.
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Its rough being a One Piece english dub fan, there is no listing for One Piece yet again smh
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Looks like no One Piece again. I'm gutted. I appreciate that there are people that do want these shows simuldubbed, but surely, One Piece has to come above those?. Especially due to the fact that it is now 12 months since we last had a dubbed episode.
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This is pretty ridiculous and infuriating.
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I'd sooner burn most of the blurays they've announced in a literal dumpster fire than watch them.
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@Elektrik:
I brought up the same thing on r/anime, but people hated on me for it. Apparently there is a vocal minority that actually like these shows AND wants dubs of them
they can like them and they can want them dubbed but is it really necessary for funimation to dub these niche titles and release them same day? Uhhhhhh no … if "My Gall Bladder Was Put Inside Me by an Alien Who Plans to Takeover the Universe" premieres in Japan in March and completes in May there's no reason why funi needs to have it out now instead of waiting until the fall or winter.
*Regardless I don't trust FUNi anymore, even IF OP seasons ever come back I'm just going to wait on the collections instead
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they can like them and they can want them dubbed but is it really necessary for funimation to dub these niche titles and release them same day? Uhhhhhh no … if "My Gall Bladder Was Put Inside Me by an Alien Who Plans to Takeover the Universe" premieres in Japan in March and completes in May there's no reason why funi needs to have it out now instead of waiting until the fall or winter
And yet they're something like six years behind on One Piece, the biggest anime in Japan and one of the biggest here.
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I emailed them and they emailed back a whole lot of nothing.
"Thank you for contacting Funimation.com support. We’re glad to hear you’re a fan of One Piece. It is a great series!
Sadly, we have not made any announcements about One Piece English Dub. Please continue to visit our site at http://www.Funimation.com/blog/ as we will post all new information there first!"
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Crap. Well, like I said guys, give them until the end of summer. If we're still hearing radio silence by then, it'll be time to sound the alarms. I mean, I know NDA and negotiations are supposed to be hush-hush and all, but a would a little communication with the fans beyond a stupid corporate response be too much to ask?
At this point I can't tell who's dropping the ball here, Toei, Funimation, or the both of them. I'm leaning towards both.
Just curious, for those of you who don't already have a FunimationNow account (like me), would you subscribe if they were to announce a simuldub for OP?
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Show me an article that says that One Piece has been dropped or kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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Aw damn, looks like I made Romanmack crawl out of his hole again. And just when we had the thread back on topic too… Sorry guys. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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I was waiting. Haha. This guy.
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Arlong Park MOAR LIEK LINKIN PARK AM I RITE!?
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Thanks, that's a great compliment. I like it here.
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So nada at the industry panel today?
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No, nothing. They have a large One Piece poster in their lounge at Katsucon, but nothing in the way of news for more episodes.
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so do you guys think they dubbed the entire ceaser arc before hey went on hiatus?
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@LUFFY#1:
so do you guys think they dubbed the entire ceaser arc before hey went on hiatus?
I'm pretty sure I saw Michelle Rojas and Kyle Phillips discuss something on twitter, and it was at the tail end of the Punk Hazard Arc. At this point, it is impossible to say. It's possible they produced the scripts for it, and it hasn't been recorded yet.
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Sounds more like speaking of the past even in that tweet tbh. Or if anything those filler episodes were written and that's where they stopped.
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There was another tweet about the voice actors inpersonating one another.
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I honestly think it has to do with the TV deal. Toei made FUNi sit on the dub for the second season of Dragon Ball Z Kai for 3 years before it finally aired on Toonami, and once it did, they released the whole second season on Blu-ray/DVD pretty much all at once. Season 10 is technically the first season since it was removed from the block so, and I could be wrong here, it just makes the most sense to me. If it's because they're too busy with the simuldubs then that really is a shame. One Piece is one of their biggest, and at this point, one of their longest running properties, so it would be upsetting to see them put it aside to focus on random new anime that have a 50/50 shot of actually being interesting.
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I guess you could also add weither to redub the Sabo special.
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I honestly think it has to do with the TV deal. Toei made FUNi sit on the dub for the second season of Dragon Ball Z Kai for 3 years before it finally aired on Toonami, and once it did, they released the whole second season on Blu-ray/DVD pretty much all at once. Season 10 is technically the first season since it was removed from the block so, and I could be wrong here, it just makes the most sense to me. If it's because they're too busy with the simuldubs then that really is a shame. One Piece is one of their biggest, and at this point, one of their longest running properties, so it would be upsetting to see them put it aside to focus on random new anime that have a 50/50 shot of actually being interesting.
I never thought of the TV situation. I think Toei US have come to the realisation that One Piece is just not going to cut it on US TV. I don't see that being the reason, as for instance, Kai was airing on Toonami, and only one episode a week. It made sense for them to hold out until they reached the Buu Arc, and then release it all at once, as it began airing. The dub was finished only about 9 months before it started airing, so they weren't quite sat on it. One Piece ended on Toonami at the climax of the CP9 Arc, so if Toei had an issue, they wouldn't let Funimation continue unless they found a TV station for them to air the rest. The fact they aren't airing on TV, means that they have to be released on home video before they can stream on Funimation Now. It has to be because they are simply overloaded with all the Simuldubs they are taking on. As we've seen, even the fly-by-night one season shows have people who will vehemently defend their existence and be adamant they should be dubbed. I don't share that opinion, Funimation should be prioritising on what makes them money, and what is popular. One Piece has been in the process of dubbing there for 10 years, so it should remain a priority. Would they pause Dragon Ball? no they wouldn't. They are being stretched, and need to be more selective moving forward.
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And yet they're something like six years behind on One Piece, the biggest anime in Japan and one of the biggest here.
One Piece is one of their biggest, and at this point, one of their longest running properties, so it would be upsetting to see them put it aside to focus on random new anime that have a 50/50 shot of actually being interesting.
No, it's not. As fans we want to believe that, but its not the case at all. Long running? Sure. A badge of honor? Right on. Most profitable? No way. Most popular? Not even.
Yeah, in Japan its the hugest thing ever, but here it's pretty niche following… it can't even keep ratings up on Cartoon Network at a 2 am slot and stay on the air more than a single major arc. The manga sales have traditionally not been good and lagged far behind counterparts Naruto and Bleach. They've tried several times now to make it work and it just doesn't go for american sensibilities or what the audience wants out of their anime. (Though they should have paired it with Adventure Time, rather than with the darker serious animes)
Which is made worse by the fact its now 90 volumes and 800 episodes long. Fans of the show that have bought the earlier episodes fall behind, and then stop getting the new releases as they come out, only binging maybe if theres a big sale. Even a megafan like me that lives on a OP forum, has had a Jump subscription since the first issue of the physical magazine, and owns a 300$ Jinbe statue doesn't quite get every volume immediately after it comes out. I usually end up getting them two or three at a time once or twice a year... and I'm still missing the later dvds that have been out for years.
Dragonball Z, for all of its 291 episodes, fits into like 9 boxed sets that are conveniently broken down into three easily digestable arcs, made even easier to do with Kai. (They don't care as much about Dragonball, it doesn't sell well either. Z is all that matters) One Piece, even at its most crammed, fitting as many episodes into a set as is reasonable, is going to be 30+ sets, and it's not even done, and won't be for another decade. That's an incredibly hard sale, even to big fans, let alone the more casual audience they count on to actually make money.
Maybe if they'd taken advantage of the timeskip as a renumbering point and started with a new #1 it'd be in slightly better shape, and they'd better be able to repackage the first half of the series, but they didn't, and that wouldn't have affected things too much.
You mock and insult those random 12 episode harem animes, but those are assuredly cheaper to license, cash in on the current promotion in japan, and release in a quick box set that can sell to a casual buyer for 30$. Whereas One Piece? You're only going to get super hardcore fans going in on the new volumes on release... even I don't fit that demographic. That dreck they're prioritizing simulcasting probably makes them a lot more money.
If OP was a huge perennial hit they'd never fall behind the japanese release if they could avoid it, Cartoon Network would air in in hour long blocks like they used to do for Naruto constantly, and we'd see tons of advertising. And yet....
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Actually, Toonami aired from the start of Davy Back to the end of Thriller Bark. That's a solid 200 episodes.
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I honestly think it has to do with the TV deal. Toei made FUNi sit on the dub for the second season of Dragon Ball Z Kai for 3 years before it finally aired on Toonami, and once it did, they released the whole second season on Blu-ray/DVD pretty much all at once. Season 10 is technically the first season since it was removed from the block so, and I could be wrong here, it just makes the most sense to me. If it's because they're too busy with the simuldubs then that really is a shame. One Piece is one of their biggest, and at this point, one of their longest running properties, so it would be upsetting to see them put it aside to focus on random new anime that have a 50/50 shot of actually being interesting.
Yep, that's my theory as well. I even posted about it a while back.
The fact of matter is, Toei is living in the past when it comes to flagship titles like Dragon Ball and One Piece. They think that the only way to justify licensing out these properties are to have them on TV and collect revenue from advertisers and broadcasters - get exposure to the widest audience possible.
It's why they are still passing out fliers like these at licensing expos. Subscription-based services like FunimationNow or VRV subscriptions (where an OP simul-dub would no doubt show up) are peanuts for Toei. They're for niche audiences and they don't bring in any real ad $$. That’s not what Toei’s looking for. The only reason we get the simul-cast of the sub on crunchyroll and FunimationNow is probably because Toei thinks that they are doing something nice for the niche fanbase who wants to watch the show in that format. That and to stop piracy (but that still didn't stop them from putting a legal subbed version of Dragon Ball Super up until it was half-way over and everyone and their grandma had already pirated it, so who know what they actually care or think about in that department). The dubbed and localized version, though, is something that should go out to the "masses", in their eyes.
Also, Toei might feel like turning solely to streaming or subscription-based service is still too risky a prospect - and they wouldn’t be wrong about that, actually. Just take a look at the climate in the last 6-7 years. Viz's Neon Alley went belly-up. Amazon's anime streaming service virtually crashed and burned. Daisuke was a bust. Even the grand Funimation-crunchyroll marriage turned into divorce. So, to a certain degree, their rationale does make a bit of sense. At least now they are experimenting with Netflix, since they recently added a bunch of old shows and OP episodes (in Japan only), and added that new Saint Seyia show, but even that doesn’t bring in precious ad revenue like a traditional broadcaster would.
Would you say Toei is being greedy, and that having their property show up on a niche streaming service would be better than nothing? Are they off-base by thinking no-one would watch dubbed One Piece on FunimationNow or Netflix? I would say yes, but tell that to the folks at Toei. They view One Piece as one of their jewel-in-the-crown titles, and selling it off to small-time, risky streaming or subscription-based service for peanuts does not make good business sense for them. They want to go big or go home. Let’s just hope, for our sakes, they don’t decide to pack up and go home with dubbed One Piece.
But don't get me wrong, I think properties are out of wack as well. It's bad situation on both ends.
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Just found out the dub was removed from hulu recently, so not sure wtf that means.
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Which is made worse by the fact its now 90 volumes and 800 episodes long. Fans of the show that have bought the earlier episodes fall behind, and then stop getting the new releases as they come out, only binging maybe if theres a big sale. Even a megafan like me that lives on a OP forum, has had a Jump subscription since the first issue of the physical magazine, and owns a 300$ Jinbe statue doesn't quite get every volume immediately after it comes out. I usually end up getting them two or three at a time once or twice a year… and I'm still missing the later dvds that have been out for years.
Dragonball Z, for all of its 291 episodes, fits into like 9 boxed sets that are conveniently broken down into three easily digestable arcs, made even easier to do with Kai. (They don't care as much about Dragonball, it doesn't sell well either. Z is all that matters) One Piece, even at its most crammed, fitting as many episodes into a set as is reasonable, is going to be 30+ sets, and it's not even done, and won't be for another decade. That's an incredibly hard sale, even to big fans, let alone the more casual audience they count on to actually make money.
You mock and insult those random 12 episode harem animes, but those are assuredly cheaper to license, cash in on the current promotion in japan, and release in a quick box set that can sell to a casual buyer for 30$. Whereas One Piece? You're only going to get super hardcore fans going in on the new volumes on release... even I don't fit that demographic. That dreck they're prioritizing simulcasting probably makes them a lot more money.
If OP was a huge perennial hit they'd never fall behind the japanese release if they could avoid it, Cartoon Network would air in in hour long blocks like they used to do for Naruto constantly, and we'd see tons of advertising. And yet....
Yeah. I've always figured their sales go down with every boxset. And then they hit an unpopular arc like Fishman Island and sales probably noticeably dipped–making them hesitant about the future of the property. They don't realize it'll spike back up for Punk Hazard and Dressrosa... Though I do wonder how many fans just buy their favorite episodes... Long running series like this are tough; people don't buy every volume.
And I suspect some of the shit anime they're spitting out are nearly as profitable and less of a hassle. And our stand-alone specials and movies are easy enough and more likely to be purchased by the average fan, so they keep releasing those.
It's all pretty upsetting. I'm starting to wonder if the show is actually cancelled. Do they ever make a statement when a show is cancelled, or do they just go silent? What do they say at conventions when people ask them about OP's future? If they say, "we can't talk about that," then that's indicative of a deal in progress, which is a good sign. Someone needs to ask them in person and see what the response is.
It's an odd scenario: hold on to the franchise by advertising its simulcast and release movies/specials but ditch the main episodes. But if that's what makes sense for them financially... :[
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I just hope that either they continue or they sell it to Netflix.
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Netflix makes terrible dubs. I really don’t want another dub. If this really is cancelled, I’ll be heartboken.
What proof do we have that they dubbed punk hazard—besides the script writers talking about watching those episodes?
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Colleen said in interviews that she recorded the whole Straw Hat Body Switch shebang.
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Actually, Toonami aired from the start of Davy Back to the end of Thriller Bark. That's a solid 200 episodes.
The first time around they failed to get through Alabasta, and that was skipping entire arcs and cutting episodes to get through as fast as possible.
The second time around they failed to get through Skypeia.
Third time around they got through Water 7 and some change, in a timeslot that started at 10pm and then got moved to a 2 am timeslot where they didn't need any ratings at all, and still stopped before the war, one of the biggest and most popular arcs.Multiple times in every timeslot possible it failed.
Meanwhile DBZ and Naruto at one point they were doing six episode marathons on a daily basis in prime time, and Sailor Moon the channel personally paid to get the second half of the series done.
They had no problem getting through 220 episodes of Naruto (And would have aired the rest had Nick not gotten Shippuden) and 366 episodes of Bleach and 167 episodes of Inu Yasha all in actual good timeslots with constant promotion. Inu Yasha they even kept in rotation from 2002 until 2014 when they lost the rights, and picked up and aired the Final Act as soon as they could.
Cowboy Bebop despite only being 26 episodes never once left the schedule between 2001 and 2007, and still gets rerun in its entirety once a year for half the year.They aired OP because they felt like they should due to its pedigree, not because the ratings actually warranted it. Same with 70s Lupin the Third and original Gundam (which they also didn't finish.)
It's all pretty upsetting. I'm starting to wonder if the show is actually cancelled. Do they ever make a statement when a show is cancelled, or do they just go silent? What do they say at conventions when people ask them about OP's future? If they say, "we can't talk about that," then that's indicative of a deal in progress, which is a good sign. Someone needs to ask them in person and see what the response is.
It's an odd scenario: hold on to the franchise by advertising its simulcast and release movies/specials but ditch the main episodes. But if that's what makes sense for them financially… :[[/QUOTE]
If they outright lose the license, that HAS to be announced for a whole variety of reasons.
I doubt they will though. No other anime company at this point is big enough to take the property, and no one else would want it in full, only maybe the movies. It's in Toei's best interest to keep it at Funimation, and in Funi's interest to keep it… even if they aren't putting it out regularly. They want it to stay with the guys also handing Dragonball.
They might in a few years have another popular arc and try it on tv again, but that exposure is the only way its going to work.
I just hope that either they continue or they sell it to Netflix.
Simialrly, Netflix is a terrible fit for it. Again, the problem of it just being TOO LONG. There's no good place for something like that on American setups. Even in Japan they don't actively keep rerunning the old episodes, they just churn out new ones every week and then do condensed specials later.
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Netflix seems unlucky not because it isn't impossible to get it on there? But also the money it has to cost to get the rights to it on the streaming service which includes dub and sub episodes and not all of the dub been completed yet. So I don't even think that's a yes. But somethings can happen. (Fruits Basket getting a new anime in 2019) But Netflix is like Umm…..