Chapter 818: In The Whale

Fraco

NICE art showing that! Way fancier than mine.
But mine is basically going by the idea that the art shown in the manga was roughly how it would be. Basically the most obvious scenarios. It also seems like the poneglyph describes a location in particular, like an island that's there in the grand line and would be near it. And given that this is the same chapter that they're talking about the Poneglyph translation, I don't have any reason to think anything else would be more likely. But we'll see.
Also, keep in mind Raftel has to be at the end of the grand line, or we've been fed more lies :ninja:

@Coookie really proved a point, your theory is not wrong but viable only if all the points written in the road ponegliphs are located on the grand line in the new world and that still wouldn't be enough.
If each point is located in one of the four seas you can't definitely be able to use the triangle to find out where Raftel is.

One ponegliph for each sea would also make sense for a lot of reasons (and plotwise), and would also make the wg flag consistent.
Everybody in this chapter is talking about secrets, not treasures…

DarkHamster

@FelRes:

Robin is stellar this chapter~ Bit of crew bonding there~

Yeah, this is not a generally smart forum apparently. These people would never make it as New World pirates smh

@FelRes:

Robin is stellar this chapter~ Bit of crew bonding there~

Yeah, this is not a generally smart forum apparently. These people would never make it as New World pirates smh

If the points were in the middle / the X that marks the spot, then you'd need three. But the points are like islands (from the translation) that point in the direction of the last island. So you'd need four…..I can't believe how long that argument went for on the spoiler thread...jesus.

sanji''s_dad

@King:

With Zou having a poneglyph that Kaidou is interested in, that sounds really, really, REALLY, unlikely.

jack will be coming back for raizo he does not need to know about it since kaido will not be the last yonkou to go down.
kaido and big mom will suffer heavy loses with big mom getting killed fighting over fishman island making kaido's crew weak enough for the straw hat alliance to take him down with shanks being killed by blackbeard since shanks has the 4th one since he would know where they're but he is waiting for luffy since he traveled with roger and devon or someone else from blackbeard's crew got from level 6 could either read them or hear the voice of all things like roger.

BeariousJones

@BellisarioFaith:

Oh, shit, I just thought of something that could be really bad, guys.

I assumed that Sabo making a vivre card for Luffy was gonna come back in a good way and be useful, and I imagine it still will at some point. But if Luffy and co. are the first group to figure out where Raftel is, and they start heading there, other people won't have to be able to read/hear the poneglyph to figure out the clues. If they find out about Luffy going there, all they'd have to do is get a piece of his vivre card and use it to follow him there. Which means that they'd have to steal it from someone who currently has one, so anyone who took a piece so far (Sabo, Bellamy, and all seven Grand Fleet divisions) could be in danger just by having it. And then, if somebody does attack one or more of them and steal it, Luffy and the others may end up leading somebody really bad right to Raftel. Final battle there, then?

That seems very feasible. Burgess steals it from Sabo?

LightningAce

@sanji''s_dad:

blackbeard will be the fight at raftel and he will kill shanks and his crew the 4th could be on one of shanks islands and catrina devon might be able to read them as well since she was in level 6.

Why would she be able to read them? Thete is both to suggest she could. She was an infamous female pirate back in the day

BellisarioFaith

@Psycrow:

Or else we're smart enough to know that "raftel is at the end of the grand line" doesn't mean across the world :ninja: And believe the manga

If Raftel literally was at the end of the Grand Line–as in, the last island you could possibly reach there--then it would be behind the Red Line, behind Reverse Mountain. The Marines, with their Sea Prism Stone ship-bottoms that can cross the Calm Belt, could have easily gotten to that point by entering the New World through West Blue or North Blue and found it by now. They've had 24 years by this point, after all. That always bothered me why that hadn't happened. It makes sense that it would be harder to find than that, and so it's probably pretty far along in the New World, yes, but not at literally the very end. And if you could find it with three poneglyphs, why would they bother making four?

Psycrow

@Fraco:

@Coookie really proved a point, your theory is not wrong but viable only if all the points written in the road ponegliphs are located on the grand line in the new world and that still wouldn't be enough.
If each point is located in one of the four seas you can't definitely be able to use the triangle to find out where Raftel is.

One ponegliph for each sea would also make sense for a lot of reasons (and plotwise), and would also make the wg flag consistent.
Everybody in this chapter is talking about secrets, not treasures…

If it were referring to other seas, although it's possible and not a big stretch to suggest that what we saw displayed in the chapter was both hypothetical and off, I don't know how the Strawhats would ever know what locations it's talking about unless it was longitude/latitude (quite a lot of words if it's that, actually)
But you could still sail to all possible locations that are within the end of the grand line either way, if the seas allowed. A big unknown of course is why it wasn't found by now, but that's something we'll have to see. A lot of fog and bad luck (well, along with dangers obviously) is all I can think of right now.
Basically we've gone from obvious/simple scenarios to wild ones but it just adds up to more sailing time.

BellisarioFaith

@BeariousJones:

That seems very feasible. Burgess steals it from Sabo?

Yeah, I think Burgess taking Sabo's or someone taking Bellamy's (since it seems like he's all by himself now) are the most likely options.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@.access:

Everyone actually treats Robin very lightly. It doesn't make any sense the WG is not trying to actively hunt down the SH. They destroyed a whole country to avoid the knowledge about the void century from leaking, and now that Robin's location and affiliation is known, they simply don't give a damn.
The only time the WG tried to get her after she joined the SH was Lucci coincidentally crossing paths with her while spying on W7. But it was not as if they were looking for her, it was just luck she fell into their laps.

Now that she became a pirate, she should have a HUGE bounty on her head. Luffy should have a HUGE bounty just because he was the one housing her. And the WG should have admirals and Shichibukai on the SH's tail to make sure Robin would be captured.
Doflamingo had the senior vice-admiral Otsuru hunting him exclusively, aside from a Commander hidden among his ranks, and that just because he was this dangerous person. But the crew keeping the only oharan safe is out there, without getting any special attention…

Keep in mind the Straw Hats still haven't been in the New World that long, and on both Punk Hazard and Dressrosa they had Marines on their tail. Outside circumstances and said Marines personalities have prevented them from getting captured. Also Fujitora will probably resume hunting them down since he can't do anything rust

NateRich

@King:

With Zou having a poneglyph that Kaidou is interested in, that sounds really, really, REALLY, unlikely.

Why would Kaidou wait until now to copy it? Jack's only mission was finding Raizou, who is possibly going to head to Wano now. The fact that Raizou was actually chained to the poneglyph is an interesting coincidence though. 2 birds with one stone if Jack had succeeded.

RomanceDawn

Plot twist: Jinbe didn't retrieve that Poneglyph for Robin. He picked it up as a parting gift to Big Mom…

LucciJaguar

I really doubt Burgess to be able to steal Sabo's card, but Bellamy….

Also, MangaStream version is out: http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/1

RamistaR

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Yobiyopi

@.access:

Everyone actually treats Robin very lightly. It doesn't make any sense the WG is not trying to actively hunt down the SH. They destroyed a whole country to avoid the knowledge about the void century from leaking, and now that Robin's location and affiliation is known, they simply don't give a damn.
The only time the WG tried to get her after she joined the SH was Lucci coincidentally crossing paths with her while spying on W7. But it was not as if they were looking for her, it was just luck she fell into their laps.

Now that she became a pirate, she should have a HUGE bounty on her head. Luffy should have a HUGE bounty just because he was the one housing her. And the WG should have admirals and Shichibukai on the SH's tail to make sure Robin would be captured.
Doflamingo had the senior vice-admiral Otsuru hunting him exclusively, aside from a Commander hidden among his ranks, and that just because he was this dangerous person. But the crew keeping the only oharan safe is out there, without getting any special attention…

What you say makes sense, and we really need Robin to have an active role in the story from now on. But we have also to keep in mind that the current timeline has been less than 14 days, of which she has been in: a yonko's territory, a supposed poisonous desolated island no one should ever go to, an island with a corrupted shichibukai that couldn't give a damn about the WG interests, and about them they already had an admiral there, but as far as he was concerned he never saw her or knew the importance of it, then the Birdcage followed and in the chaos the priorities were elsewhere.

It could also be that the WG has another person capable of reading the Poneglyphs, or Vegapunk may be capable of that too, either with some invention of his or who knows.

This chapter at least seems to be aware of this fact, and hopefully we will see how Robin's will go from now.

BlackLegEd

@RomanceDawn:

Plot twist: Jinbe didn't retrieve that Poneglyph for Robin. He picked it up as a parting gift to Big Mom…

The Tea Party is gonna be delicious

Sephi

A good chapter overall as it sets up a lot of exciting things…but needing 4 to get to raftel makes no sense...as others have stated...you'd only need 2 at most and then it'd simply take longer but you'd find it. Hell, even if finding all 4 somehow magically made it come out of the ocean, one could simply search for it underwater.

zeff redleg

Mangastream has finally uploaded the chapter, enjoy
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/1

Psycrow

So Kaido is indeed not the shogun, from how I'm reading it.
Good, because that would kind of make him feel like just another Doflamingo to me.

blackness662

Awesome chapter and I am glad that I waited for the mangastream scanlation!
Can't wait for next week.

parklane21

I got a bad feeling about the Oden Kozuki revealtion. Please don't make that breast-grabbing brat Momonosuke a permanent crew in the Sunny.

Bon Clay

AWESOME CHAPTER!

I wonder if Jinbe's poneglyph is the fourth one

Buggy D. Clown

OMFG so much in this chapter!

Path to Raftel finally revealed
Wano kingdom connection
Kaidou trying to find raftel/Occupying Wano
Momo's dad was Rogers crew mate!!!@

10/10 chapter

Wano is going to be a very dangerous place for the SHs

BellisarioFaith

Love this picture by Mangastream, used as one of the art pages.

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Zar

So we finally got a good answer for why nobody had found Raftel before.

It always seemed strange to me before; if Raftel was supposed to be the "end destination" that you reached after sailing a set path like Crocus hinted, there would be plenty of Pirates who set out way before Luffy. Like a race. And I thought the whole reason nobody has gotten there yet was because the Yonko was in a stalemate near the "finish line" and couldn't progress.

Instead it's a genuine treasure hunt, and the reason nobody knows where to go is because they can't get their hands on the hints - and even if they did, they wouldn't be able to translate them. The strawhats are incredibly lucky to have Robin in their crew.

Makes me wonder if any of the Yonko besides Blackbeard are interested in finding One Piece. I never got the feeling they really cared for the title of Pirate King (or Queen, in Big Mom's case). But then again, Kaido and Big Mom possess one stone each so it might mean there's some interest, at least in the treasure… Lastly, does anybody know if it's been confirmed if Buggy and Shanks followed Roger to Raftel, or if they missed it?

Carmilla

Am I the only one thinks that it's more probable for Shanks to have the fourth poneglyph than for BB? And the only one who hopes that it is not in any other yonko's hands but at some completely different place?
And after reading the chapter, I seriously wonder why was there a slightest need for discussion (in Spoilers section at least, I haven't read here) about those four points. :blink:

jazzflower92

Although it makes me wonder why haven't Big Mom or Kaido gone to war with each other in order to get each other's Poneglyph, because they do seem to be after One Piece.

Also I wonder if the World Government was partially lying about why Wano was unaffiliated, because they have been known to lie to the public.

Lao G

I love how Law is trying his damn hardest to keep his expression serious and not squeal in excitement along with the rest.

.access timeco.

I may be wrong, but didn't Oda refered to Newgate once as "the man closest to One Piece"?

Hard to see how he could have earned such title if there are 4 "keys" to OP and not a single was in his hands while two other Yonkou had a "key" each. Unless the lost poneglyph used to be with Whitebeard…

@jazzflower92:

Although it makes me wonder why haven't Big Mom or Kaido gone to war with each other in order to get each other's Poneglyph, because they do seem to be after One Piece.

Also I wonder if the World Government was partially lying about why Wano was unaffiliated, because they have been known to lie to the public.

Going to war against another yonkou just to go from 1 to 2 road poneglyphs is probably not worth the trouble. I suppose each is focusing on finding the missing 2 (they probably don't know there is one in Zou), then getting Robin and only then, when the clash is inevitable, will take the offensive.

King Cannon

@.access:

Everyone actually treats Robin very lightly. It doesn't make any sense the WG is not trying to actively hunt down the SH. They destroyed a whole country to avoid the knowledge about the void century from leaking, and now that Robin's location and affiliation is known, they simply don't give a damn.
The only time the WG tried to get her after she joined the SH was Lucci coincidentally crossing paths with her while spying on W7. But it was not as if they were looking for her, it was just luck she fell into their laps.

Now that she became a pirate, she should have a HUGE bounty on her head. Luffy should have a HUGE bounty just because he was the one housing her. And the WG should have admirals and Shichibukai on the SH's tail to make sure Robin would be captured.
Doflamingo had the senior vice-admiral Otsuru hunting him exclusively, aside from a Commander hidden among his ranks, and that just because he was this dangerous person. But the crew keeping the only oharan safe is out there, without getting any special attention…

There's not many Shichibukai that they could reliably have after the Straw Hats. Who are they going to send? Kuma, even after full transformation, still has some sketchy behaviors. Mihawk and Hancock are not reliable at all. And Buggy, well, he's Buggy.

Admirals are busy people. And most Vice-Admirals are probably not a threat at this point.

parklane21

That explains about how Roger was able to write on the Poneglyph of SkyPiea. He has someone who is knowledgeable in his crew. Kaido is very stupid to kill Oden w/o making sure that the knowledge is passed on to Momonosuke.

King Cannon

@.access:

I may be wrong, but didn't Oda refered to Newgate once as "the man closest to One Piece"?

Hard to see how he could have earned such title if there are 4 "keys" to OP and not a single was in his hands while two other Yonkou had a "key" each. Unless the lost poneglyph used to be with Whitebeard…

Didn't Roger tell him the trick? I don't remember if Whitebeard refused it or not.

Regardless of that, Whitebeard directly competed with Roger for sea supremacy, so he could have figured some stuff on his own.

Heck, Whitebeard probably know what One Piece is. That alone would have given him an edge over the others.

Brotato

@.access:

I may be wrong, but didn't Oda refered to Newgate once as "the man closest to One Piece"?

Hard to see how he could have earned such title if there are 4 "keys" to OP and not a single was in his hands while two other Yonkou had a "key" each. Unless the lost poneglyph used to be with Whitebeard…

We don't really know when the others were obtained, it's very possible it could've been after his death. Hell.. for all we know Big Mom and Kaido's poneglyphs were previously in Whitebeard's territory.

King Cannon

@NateRich:

Why would Kaidou wait until now to copy it? Jack's only mission was finding Raizou, who is possibly going to head to Wano now. The fact that Raizou was actually chained to the poneglyph is an interesting coincidence though. 2 birds with one stone if Jack had succeeded.

Not only the poneglyph, Robin is in Zou as well.

A lot of things Kaidou wants are in Zou.

BlackLegEd

Kaido and the Shogun have a weird since of humor boiling a guy named after Soup alive.
Kinda feel bad that Momo's dream of being a Shogun is occupied by a guy who killed his dad.

Jameswuds

@sanji''s_dad:

By Wano's Shogun AND Pirate Kaido lord oden was executed so it clearly clearly says they're different people also it seems some of the pages were done by different people since the first pages have typos/spelling mistakes but then the later pages of the chapter get better with the translation.

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I mean, not even mangastream gave us a clear confirmation. But usually when you speak about somebody with a title, you say his name. Meaning that I feel as if the Shogun was a different person, they would have revealed his real name. Wheras with them saying ''the Shogun of Wano and pirate Kaido''. That could at the very least mean two titles. I almost definetly hope that Kaido is the Shogun and that we won't have to deal with an additional moustache twirling,bad guy who's evil because power and shit…

black-leg jex

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I love that even Franky's whale hair is shocked by all this XD

BeariousJones

@DarkHamster:

If the points were in the middle / the X that marks the spot, then you'd need three. But the points are like islands (from the translation) that point in the direction of the last island. So you'd need four…..I can't believe how long that argument went for on the spoiler thread...jesus.

@Coookie:

I have only looked at the pictures because I don't trust the translation, but the amount of people saying three points are enough to find Raftel is too damn high. That's not how it works. With four points of reference on a sphere there are six locations where the lines intersect.
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Take one of those points away and you don't have any indicator where on the remaining three lines Raftel is supposed to be. You can't even "simply" sail along all of them due to the harsh navigation circumstances on the Grand Line and the New World.
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Point is, you NEED all four of them and even then you can't be too sure. Of course I may be overthinking it (studying Math btw, might explain it) and Raftel could be simply in the center of the four, but even then you'd have to navigate the whole triangle if you choose to ignore the last Poneglyph. That, again, proves to be very dangerous in the New World.

After rereading the first post I should add: The distances from each point to one another don't have be be equal in measure. Raftel isn't necessarily in the dead center between two chosen points. In my last image, the remaining Poneglyph could be either above or to the right/left side of the triangle, each resulting in a different intersection. Which is exactly why you'd have to seach in the entire triangle including its sides to find it. And what if the last Poneglyph lies in the dead center?

This was similar to what I was trying to say. Didn't realize you put yours up first. Good thinking and display. I'm studying math too. You thinking of Differential Geometry?

Maybe this may cause some confusion in manga on the location of Raftel later after they find all 4 Road Poneglyphs.

.access timeco.

@Brotato:

We don't really know when the others were obtained, it's very possible it could've been after his death. Hell.. for all we know Big Mom and Kaido's poneglyphs were previously in Whitebeard's territory.

WB having three would explain his title. And also why the other two suddenly would manage to get their hands in the RP in the last two years even though they couldn't before. I like this one.

@King:

There's not many Shichibukai that they could reliably have after the Straw Hats. Who are they going to send? Kuma, even after full transformation, still has some sketchy behaviors. Mihawk and Hancock are not reliable at all. And Buggy, well, he's Buggy.

Admirals are busy people. And most Vice-Admirals are probably not a threat at this point.

I don't mean just now, but ever since the WG became aware she joined the SH.

However, now that I think about it, they only became aware of it in W7, when she was captured by them. And seeing how the crew was "disbanded" in Sabaody, this would leave only the time of Thriller Bark arc for the WG to take action against the SH.

Hmmm.. I didn't thought it through. Ignore my complaint.

BingBang

So the war for Raftel is going to have 4 spots to activate the island:

1-Burgess/Shilew - Sanji/Zoro (strongest duo)
2-San Juan Wolf/Devon - Jimbei/Nami (navigator - sea support)
3- Van Auger/Doc Q - Chopper/Ussop (doctor sniper)
4- Pizarro/Vasco - Franky/Brook

Last team running into emerging Raftel: Blackbeard/Lafitte - Luffy/Robin (the two of them can fly, Robin and Lafitte, and Robin is the only one who can talk/read the ancient language to help him find the correct way in Raftel to get teh One Piece)

That's how i see the final battle.

desa

@Kishido:

Why Kaidou not simply beats the shit out of Buggy to get informations… Or Buggy knows jackshit. Kaidou for sure wouldn#t go after Shanks or Rayleigh easily.Even the WG learned of Buggy affiliation recently and even to Shanks Buggy's actions are rumored. He probably never thought about Buggy if he even knew he existed.

How Kaidou learned about This Wano stuff after all. Not even the WG seems to know it… Who told him? The Shogun or even Shanks back at the meeting before the war?It's unlikely both emperors would have a red stone if this was not common knowledge among emperors. The WG probably also know about it but each force hold a piece making it hard to make a move. If you mean about Oden, a mink of his crew might have tell him(in hope of making him PK).

How is Ohara tied to this all? Or even more the story about Olivia and her husband? Have they been on Roger's ship as well?Those on Ohara knows how to read the glyps since they study them. Momo would probably have recieved the same education. Ray mentioned how they were mere pirates, they probably had no scholar.

Why do you need 4 of them… Actually with 2 it should be possible as well to find Raftel with looking at the map2 is a whole line. But I think 3 should be enough. Maybe they had 4 for accuracy or you have something to activate from those islands.

How are Rayleigh and Co reacting to the fact that their former crewmate has been killed by Kaidou and the Shogun? Do they don't give a fuck?
It seems to be pretty secret. But should they would probably be sad however I doubt they would hunt Kaido. They each have separate lives by now and have been apart for years. Shanks reaction could be interesting tho.

Was the guy in the cover story with Crocus really Oden? If yes… How is it possible in such a short timeline for him sailing from Wano to Crocus and back and still being killed?Unlikely it was Oden. He was the shogun of a country cut from the world, I doubt he goes on field trip. More importantly I doubt he would know where Crocus is.

Where is Scopper Gaban?Still no idea.

Why all the years before no one of the big shots as Kaidou has been after Robin?She spent 20 years evading the WG. I doubt Kaido who is operating in the NW want to spent ressource chasing a ghost. Oden is easy since he is constantly on Wano.

With Oden being a former nakama… do you think we will get someone from Wano as well? What Oden's role have been. Was he swordsman? If yes, I think it is clear to say he wasn't Rayleigh level.

Kaido and the next shogun killed him. I doubt we can yet assess his level.

kcity

With all this Raftel end game talk, does anyone else feel like Luffy becoming pirate king might not be the end of the story?

At the moment I feel like the yonkou with Blackbeard at the forefront are the big hurdles for Luffy to take to become the pirate king with Shanks obviously playing a big role as well. After that though there's still the World Government(Gorosei, Nobles and their allied kingdoms not so much the marines), the ancient weapons, the void century and Dragon and the revolutionaries. These feel like seperate entities that operate on a much more global scale than the yonkou who are pretty much only interested in the New World.

kakarla

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Brotato

@BlackLegEd:

Kaido and the Shogun have a weird since of humor boiling a guy named after Soup alive.

It was actually a thing in Japan once upon a time. The most famous case being the legend of Goemon.

HeartOfDarkness

@Carmilla:

Am I the only one thinks that it's more probable for Shanks to have the fourth poneglyph than for BB? And the only one who hopes that it is not in any other yonko's hands but at some completely different place?
And after reading the chapter, I seriously wonder why was there a slightest need for discussion (in Spoilers section at least, I haven't read here) about those four points. :blink:

If Shanks has it then BB killing him to get it becomes even more apparent.

zeff redleg

umm what is this?

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a bug?

BlackLegEd

@Brotato:

It was actually a thing in Japan once upon a time. The most famous case being the legend of Goemon.

Ouch
1. Does OP gave Goemon inspired character? IF not Want might introduce one.
2. I'm convinced Oda gave him that name for this situp and Oda has a sick sense of humor…
Edit : Oden could have Goemon inspired look..

Sparsebeard

Hmmm, how are they supposed to triangulate coordinates when the regular navigation tools don't work?

Bon Clay

@Psycrow:

New translator, huh? Alright.

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! Sorry for any flames on that, just my own take on it

No pirate has ever acquired two red poneglyphs, even if he able to get more than one he will not be able to read it tho

RamistaR

How could Raftel be the last island if it's in the middle of a square formed by 4 islands ?
LoL I don't really care, the chapter is awesome!

Just wish we got the name of the first island.

auem

what is bugging me is how can Raftel be 'final island' when it is actually surrounded by four 'locations'…