Hmmm, no something weird happened…
We know Oda only kills off flashback characters. But now Pekoms was shot in a flashback. Even though is a character from the main storyline. Is Pekoms dead?
Chapter 812: Capone "Gang" Bege
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Seems a little too convenient that chopper and nami were captured at all but scrubs. For higher up in the crew of a yonkou, Pekoms was taken out a little too conveniently too. It just sucks that it happens for plot but I don't like it.
Same with Sanji. At his power level, he should be able to compete with a supernova, considering Zoro is one too.
So it really does involve Sanji's family, the part with his bounty.
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Pekoms… I am interested in what is coming for this guy, but I can't lie: I was appalled by how easily he was taken out. Definitely not the kind of resilience I was expecting from someone I was hoping to be depicted as the likes of Marco, Jozu, Vista...
Glad I'm not thee only one. Both nami/copper and pekom should've been able to put up with a fight. Maybe it's shitty translation and they didn't want to hurt the minks anymore.
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LOL! next are the Rononas
You don't like the mobster idea / theory ? or your more inclined to the royalty approach.
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@uniaka:
So '' prince'', ''celestial dragon'', ''noble'' theories and he ends up as part of a mobster family… Oda, you.
Oh well, guess my theory that Sanji went at Baltigo and he is son of gorosei are out of question now lol.
This is directly connected to why his bounty poster says "Wanted Alive" - there is nothing to suggest he is part of a mobster family. They have to be Royalty and have the kind of pull with the World Government to have a member of the SH Pirates only have a poster of Alive…..
There is more to it....
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Seems a little too convenient that chopper and nami were captured at all but scrubs. For higher up in the crew of a yonkou, Pekoms was taken out a little too conveniently too. It just sucks that it happens for plot but I don't like it.
Same with Sanji. At his power level, he should be able to compete with a supernova, considering Zoro is one too.
So it really does involve Sanji's family, the part with his bounty.
Not too sure about that a Bounty that high is pretty dangerous, well we'll have to wait and see when Sanji goes all out plus those henchmen had Nami & Chopper hostage to keep everyone safe the best idea would be to stand down and hear him out.
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I loved this chapter. The year of Sanji begins, cant wait. Capone Bege is way more awesome than I thought he would be(I'm really happy). Sanji's getting married and his last name. So this is gonna be a Sanji rescue arc?
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He isn't, Bobbin is the equivalent for the Big Mom Pirates of those types.
Just because Bobbins was the one talking to her in that scene doesn't mean he is the elite or the only elite.
Kaido has 3 on the highest tier of his crew, Teach has 10, Whitebeard had 16. There is no reason to think Big Mom can only have one.
I feel like Sanji did not fight back due to not having enough knowledge on what he was up against and mainly that they had Nami and Chopper already captured and probably would have either shot or executed them if he tried to resist.
What I said was not exclusive to Sanji, but also went for Nami and Chopper. Even more for Nami and Chopper, since they were ones who justified being captured by being outnumbered.
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This is directly connected to why his bounty poster says "Wanted Alive" - there is nothing to suggest he is part of a mobster family. They have to be Royalty and have the kind of pull with the World Government to have a member of the SH Pirates only have a poster of Alive…..
There is more to it....
Couldn't big Mom also have a pull in the this ? Maybe she has someone in the Government doing changes, One Piece is pretty unpredictable.
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So… I am really not buying Capone's power. We had the SH fighting against tens of thousands of fishmen, each one of them as strong as 10 men, and they were perfectly fine with it. But now suddenly they are not even willing to try fighting back because they were outnumbered by what? 20 men? It seems like one of those cases where you have to believe a character is really powerful because it was said so, even though the evidences are not holding up. (EDIT: Or maybe they were just avoiding fighting there because of the minks)
The first half of the chapter also made me worry Capone was going to end up as a fodder type of villain who was obviously only being built up to have his ass kicked in the most shameful way, but the second half gave an interesting twist to his personality. I seriously hope he will not be depicted as below the popular supernova Luffy/Law/Kid (i.e. the young beautiful male ones).
Regarding his bounty, obviously it is 300,000,000 and mangapanda just got it wrong.
Pekoms... I am interested in what is coming for this guy, but I can't lie: I was appalled by how easily he was taken out. Definitely not the kind of resilience I was expecting from someone I was hoping to be depicted as the likes of Marco, Jozu, Vista...
Ichiji and Niji, obviously
well,not all man are equaly strong,especially in the new world..the fact that they are nameless doesn't mean they are not storng in their own right..also all of them had guns and had them pointed at them at point blank
for pekoms..it has been shoot down by a firing squad at point blank and his guard down…it's not something you are supposed to shrug off,even in onepiece
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Couldn't big Mom also have a pull in the this ? Maybe she has someone in the Government doing changes, One Piece is pretty unpredictable.
I kept thinking it was big mam but reminded myself that a yonko does not have that pull.
well,not all man are equaly strong,especially in the new world..the fact that they are nameless doesn't mean they are not storng in their own right..also all of them had guns and had them pointed at them at point blank
for pekoms..it has been shoot down by a firing squad at point blank and his guard down…it's not something you are supposed to shrug off,even in onepiece
Yes it's a trope in anime that strong characters shrug off guns or wounds that normally would kill someone in the real world. It happens in One Piece a lot too. Look at what happened with Law, his body went through the wringer.
And Luffy's crew being taken by them is so stupid. B/c SHs have only 8 members besides luffy. And each one should be able to eventually match a captain of yonkou. And after 2 years of training, they should be characters that aren't bothered to be named, even out numbered. These are the crews of a subordinate of big mam, no crew mates of big mam herself. It just makes no sense to me for anyone to be taken easily.
Not too sure about that a Bounty that high is pretty dangerous, well we'll have to wait and see when Sanji goes all out plus those henchmen had Nami & Chopper hostage to keep everyone safe the best idea would be to stand down and hear him out.
You can pretty much reason that Sanji's bounty is so low b/c he didn't participate in dressrosa. But if he did, I can easily see him reach 250mil range. And that should put him on par with capone
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3 Billion is clearly a mistranslation :blink:
I feel as if Sanji could have put up a fight along with the rest of the crew and Caesar Clown there, but they were mostly concerned about the well being of the Mink people. Capone showcased his ruthless nature so you can't take any chances with that sort of an ability. Also, that nod between Capone and Sanji spells something in the works, and he said that they had met a week ago? Does he mean on Fishman Island?
Great to finally have the reveal of Sanji's last name and that he's of noble birth. To what standing his family holds among the aristocracy is still in the air so still waiting on that. Really going to enjoy this year and learning more about Sanji and his family - two brothers. Any sisters for Zoro to get along with and piss Sanji off to to end?!
I guess Sanji's also a furry :ninja:.
Pekoms is a nice guy, cares about his hometown, hate to see him get done dirty like that.
Caesar's interaction with the crew is improving. But I still don't ever see redemption on the table. -
So Sanji's family has ties to a Younko and the WG? Must be filthy rich and/or very powerful.
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Couldn't big Mom also have a pull in the this ? Maybe she has someone in the Government doing changes, One Piece is pretty unpredictable.
I very much doubt it.
DoFlamingo was only able to do what he did because he was a Former Celestial Dragon - and his knowledge of the National treasure of Mariejoa which he used to blackmail them, hence pulling strings like getting CP-0 to do his bidding, putting out false news etc…There must be something big going on here, which'll no doubt be explained in the coming months...
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Not even 5 pages in, and we are already having power level discussion.
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So Sanji's family has ties to a Younko and the WG? Must be filthy rich and/or very powerful.
Nami with cash symbols on her eyes - incoming.
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I seriously hope this Pudding girl is beautiful (maybe even 3-eyed girl) and Sanji left willingly to marry her.
EDIT: And seeing how Sanji thinks Big Mom looks like THIS, I wouldn't be surprised if he just assumed this is… Sanji's year.
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Why is everyone saying Pekoms was taken out too easily? He was riddled with bullets, point blank in the back, unsuspecting with his guards down by a comrade.
Him instantly going down is the most realistic way.Luffy would also instantly die if Zoro decided to stab him in the back through his heart while he was eating.
Only Law would survive this crap.
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Just because Bobbins was the one talking to her in that scene doesn't mean he is the elite or the only elite.
Kaido has 3 on the highest tier of his crew, Teach has 10, Whitebeard had 16. There is no reason to think Big Mom can only have one.
Very well, let me rephrase that. Bobbins is one of her elites, referred to as her "monsters" by Pekoms. Point is, Pekoms wasn't one of said monsters.
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Seems a little too convenient that chopper and nami were captured at all but scrubs. For higher up in the crew of a yonkou, Pekoms was taken out a little too conveniently too. It just sucks that it happens for plot but I don't like it.
Same with Sanji. At his power level, he should be able to compete with a supernova, considering Zoro is one too.
So it really does involve Sanji's family, the part with his bounty.
Glad I'm not thee only one. Both nami/copper and pekom should've been able to put up with a fight. Maybe it's shitty translation and they didn't want to hurt the minks anymore.
you are making assumption based on a title given only because of bounties,bounties that,as we already kow,aren't solely based aroun strenght
also,sanji has gone there to talk things down and was met with what was basically an ambush ..at that point the only think he would have accomplished by attacking is dozens of holes in his body
people in onepiece are reselient,yes,can survive gunshots,yes,but not dozens of them..even law had to change with the poor goons when doflamingo was discharging an entire clip on him..and got k.o.ed for a while when he got shoot 3 times earlier.
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Seems a little too convenient that chopper and nami were captured at all but scrubs. For higher up in the crew of a yonkou, Pekoms was taken out a little too conveniently too. It just sucks that it happens for plot but I don't like it.
Same with Sanji. At his power level, he should be able to compete with a supernova, considering Zoro is one too.
So it really does involve Sanji's family, the part with his bounty.
Glad I'm not thee only one. Both nami/copper and pekom should've been able to put up with a fight. Maybe it's shitty translation and they didn't want to hurt the minks anymore.
They avoided confrontation for the sake of the minks.
This is all explained.
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I feel as if Sanji could have put up a fight along with the rest of the crew and Caesar Clown there, but they were mostly concerned about the well being of the Mink people.
Any chance of reaction ended when Nami and Chopper showed up captured already.
Anyway, really nice to finally learn Sanji's family name. And i have the feeling Oda will reverse expectations here and make Pudding look really pretty.
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They avoided confrontation for the sake of the minks.
This. The country has just gotten over a near genocide, they do not want to go starting a war on their welcome mat.
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How possible Caesar chained with seastone into The castle body of Capone?
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Big mom has at least 35 daughters… And seeing how she wants to marry one of her daughters with a noble to, most probably, gain control of his families kingdom, I suspect these daughters to be her biological daughters.
Big Mom is a very busy woman.
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You can pretty much reason that Sanji's bounty is so low b/c he didn't participate in dressrosa. But if he did, I can easily see him reach 250mil range. And that should put him on par with capone
This is an assumption.
Not to mention that everybody was trying not to start a fight.
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Any chance of reaction ended when Nami and Chopper showed up captured already.
Anyway, really nice to finally learn Sanji's family name. And i have the feeling Oda will reverse expectations here and make Pudding look really pretty.
That too, but I think collectively they did not want to fight there, better to get dragged off somewhere and improvise. And well we already know that was the right choice.
Haha I've got this feeling that he'll just play some kind of mental jujitsu on us. We expect him to reverse expectations, but really he'll just stick to the same formula and pair him up with an absolute Beast. But I hope you're right.
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So I imagine what we have here is that the first real bounty poster of Sanji allowed him to be recognised by not only the World Government ("Wanted Alive") but also by someone in The New World who has ties to Big Mom.
So now the World Government wants Sanji alive, probably to give him back to the Vismoke family and reap the benefits.
While Big Mom wants to connect her own dynasty to that of the Vismoke's, probably for the prestige/whatever benefits.
With two major powers vying over it's third son, the Vismoke family must be a pretty big deal to say the least.
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Lets wait for a better translation….
If they somehow got a basic error of giving Capone a 3 Billion bounty, i don't have much faith in any other translation they put out....Japanese numbers work a little different and translators often mix "hundreds of millions" with "billions". It was supposed to be 300.000.000.
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They avoided confrontation for the sake of the minks.
That's what I thought. But my other criticism if that was the case, it might be poor translate or poor execution on oda's part. And it felt too convenient of a plot device, "oh don't do this b/c of the minks" only to let the next arc happen, seems lazy to me. (personal opinion).
you are making assumption based on a title given only because of bounties,bounties that,as we already kow,aren't solely based aroun strenght
also,sanji has gone there to talk things down and was met with what was basically an ambush ..at that point the only think he would have accomplished by attacking is dozens of holes in his body
people in onepiece are reselient,yes,can survive gunshots,yes,but not dozens of them..even law had to change with the poor goons when doflamingo was discharging an entire clip on him..and got k.o.ed for a while when he got shoot 3 times earlier.
I'm confused. It's either we can't make assumptions on bounty b/c capone is weaker, or we can't make assumptions b/c he's stronger. Same with sanji. You can't make assumption one way with capone and then the opposite with sanji, without it being convenient for your own argument (and even same with pekom as well).
At the point that Law had to change places with the goon, he had already fought a sh*t ton. I was talking about being the initial shooting (out of coliseum) he was alive and kicking even with bullets IN HIM.
This is an assumption.
Not to mention that everybody was trying not to start a fight.
I say it's an educated guess. And I think we can reason that pretty easily based on his strength level in the SHs and zoro's bounty and his strength level in the SHS
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I kept thinking it was big mam but reminded myself that a yonko does not have that pull.
Yes it's a trope in anime that strong characters shrug off guns or wounds that normally would kill someone in the real world. It happens in One Piece a lot too. Look at what happened with Law, his body went through the wringer.
And Luffy's crew being taken by them is so stupid. B/c SHs have only 8 members besides luffy. And each one should be able to eventually match a captain of yonkou. And after 2 years of training, they should be characters that aren't bothered to be named, even out numbered. These are the crews of a subordinate of big mam, no crew mates of big mam herself. It just makes no sense to me for anyone to be taken easily.
teah,but being able to survive 2 or 3 gunshots doesn't mean you can shrug off dozens of them..hell,even in reality,with adrenaline going on you can actually shrug off several gunshots wounds..but it doesn't mena that taken enough you are not going down
pekoms didn't got sho once or twice..capone had an entire firing squad inside him remember?for the starwhats,they are not yet that strong anyway,especially nami or chopper that had a really low number of victories after their "training"
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I wonder how Bege's ability works. Is it like if anything gets close to him, it shrinks down? The dudes who come out of him grow to normal size, so I'd assume it's like a radius around him where this happens. So if someone fires a gun at him, the bullet would just shrink and hit the walls of his "castle" doing no damage to Bege. People seem to think his ability is crap, but if it works that way he's pretty tough to deal with. You'd have to fight him from inside or somesuch.
I just hope his troops are semi-competent fighters. They got weapons made of seastone and such, so I'd assume these guys are above your average flunkies at least.
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I think, we know Charlotte Pudding already…
Remember back to Thriller Bark. Well Lola can be the short form for Charlotte"Charlotte" seems to be the family name of Big Mom, since her name is Charlotte Linlin
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That's what I thought. But my other criticism if that was the case, it might be poor translate or poor execution on oda's part. And it felt too convenient of a plot device, "oh don't do this b/c of the minks" only to let the next arc happen, seems lazy to me. (personal opinion).
I'm confused. It's either we can't make assumptions on bounty b/c capone is weaker, or we can't make assumptions b/c he's stronger. Same with sanji. You can't make assumption one way with capone and then the opposite with sanji, without it being convenient for your own argument (and even same with pekom as well).
At the point that Law had to change places with the goon, he was already found a sh*t ton. I was talking about being the initial shot, he was alive and kicking even with bullets IN HIM.
you said that sanji should be able to defeat capone because he is a supernova and zoro also is.
that doesn't make any sense,both because being a supernova is based on your bounty,and because just counting the "worst generation" supernovas we had a huge difference in strenght between them..so we can just dismiss the idea that there is a "supernova" level and that we are able to decide who is gonna beat who based on that title.i didn't made assumption on anything really..i just said that sanji was ambushed and that he is probably not gonna be able to attack before getting riddled with bullets so much that he would make whistles while falling to the ground
law took THREE bullets,and it was enough of a big deal to put him KO for a while
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I say it's an educated guess. And I think we can reason that pretty easily based on his strength level in the SHs and zoro's bounty and his strength level in the SHS
A 300 Million just shot down a 330 Million easily.
Never mind that Capone is supposedly Luffy's rival (like every Supernova), making him closer to his level than Sanji's.
Capone had the advantage in numbers and range. So what if Sanji took down 20 or so guys? Capone could just summon more.
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I think, we know Charlotte Pudding already…
Remember back to Thriller Bark. Well Lola can be the short form for CharlotteWell, Big Mom's name is Charlotte Linlin and their family is the "Charlotte family", so it's more like Charlotte is their surname - as weird as Edward being Newgate's and Weevil's. If so, all of her daughters would be Charlotte.
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This was definitely a good chapter to start the new year. Capone was awesome.
And Luffy's crew being taken by them is so stupid. B/c SHs have only 8 members besides luffy. And each one should be able to eventually match a captain of yonkou. And after 2 years of training, they should be characters that aren't bothered to be named, even out numbered. These are the crews of a subordinate of big mam, no crew mates of big mam herself. It just makes no sense to me for anyone to be taken easily.
Remember also that this "subordinate" of Big Mam is one of the Worst Generation of pirates to which Luffy and Zoro belong to, so let's not just wildly assume that Capone's subordinates are mere pushovers.
"Yes, I'm only bones, but that's because I have an interest… in dieting."
-Gentleman Skeleton Brook
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teah,but being able to survive 2 or 3 gunshots doesn't mean you can shrug off dozens of them..hell,even in reality,with adrenaline going on you can actually shrug off several gunshots wounds..but it doesn't mena that taken enough you are not going down
pekoms didn't got sho once or twice..capone had an entire firing squad inside him remember?for the starwhats,they are not yet that strong anyway,especially nami or chopper that had a really low number of victories after their "training"
..so,no,they are not suddenly gonna be able to shrug off bullets and fight their way against 20 men of undiscolsed strenght1.) the depict of 3 people shooting at pekoms, we're not sure how many bullets actually went into him. He had multiple but crewmates of younkos have been depicted to be fairly resilient.
2.) No in reality YOU CAN'T SHRUG OFF multiple gun shots. Think of blood lose after minutes with multiple gun holes.
3.) Law wasn't shot just one or twice either.
4.) SHs have to take on each of the blackbeard fight crew. It's kind of been set up that way (in my opinion at least). They will all have to fight bouty members of pirate crews eventually. They took down daflamingo, meaning their future enemies as stronger, just based off story structure of all mangas. THEY will have to fight stronger men than capone's crew that are unnamed and without bounties (not saying bounties are 100% judge of strength but has indication of it at least). Anyway, my point is each crewmate of the SHS currently should be able to fight nobodies easily.
Remember also that this "subordinate" of Big Mam is one of the Worst Generation of pirates to which Luffy and Zoro belong to, so let's not just wildly assume that Capone's subordinates are mere pushovers.
That I take into consideration but we have to remember not every member of his crew is that strong. Even whitebeard have crewmates (not talking about the captains obviously) that were fodder b/c that's what mangas really demand in a world setting like this. To say each member of capone's hundreds (seemingly b/c of his castle ability we don't know his actually crew #) is on par with members of SHs wouldn't make sense. How would SHs EVER take on a yonko or even a subordinate of a yonko, if each member is taken out 1 vs 1 and there are only 9 members in the SHs. It would be a short fight.
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I very much doubt it.
DoFlamingo was only able to do what he did because he was a Former Celestial Dragon - and his knowledge of the National treasure of Mariejoa which he used to blackmail them, hence pulling strings like getting CP-0 to do his bidding, putting out false news etc…There must be something big going on here, which'll no doubt be explained in the coming months...
That's true, I also don't expect Oda to reuse the same material with someone in the marines working for pirates, (Vergo) but the same case this is why I always thrown out the Royalty theories. Isn't Sabo enough ? ( A renegade Royalty not acting like he's supposed to )
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I like how everything shifts from Kaido to Big Mom so quickly… Everything is really becoming more chaotic now.
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A 300 Million just shot down a 330 Million easily.
Never mind that Capone is supposedly Luffy's rival (like every Supernova), making him closer to his level than Sanji's.
Capone had the advantage in numbers and range. So what if Sanji took down 20 or so guys? Capone could just summon more.
About the supernova thing. The monster trio is based on power, the supernovas are not based on power, so sanji is more likely close to luffy based on that. Besides, supernovas also have non captains so not all are his rivals.
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That I take into consideration but we have to remember not every member of his crew is that strong. Even whitebeard has crewmates that were fodder b/c that's what mangas really demand in a world setting like this. To say each member of capone's hundreds (seemingly b/c of his castle ability we don't know his actually crew #) is on par with members of SHs wouldn't make sense. How would SHs EVER take on a yonko or even a subordinate of a yonko, if each member is taken out 1 vs 1 and there are only 9 members in the SHs. It would be a short fight.
Good thing Luffy now has +5600 members, most of them being fodder themselves.
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This was definitely a good chapter to start the new year. Capone was awesome.
Remember also that this "subordinate" of Big Mam is one of the Worst Generation of pirates to which Luffy and Zoro belong to, so let's not just wildly assume that Capone's subordinates are mere pushovers.
Exactly this , and wasn't it stated he keeps a Majority of his crew in his body ?
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So I guess Sanji is from some sort of Mafia family, huh? Interesting, didn't see an arranged marriage coming in One Piece
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Yes! Finally Capone! Him and Urouge are my favorite Supernovas, so it was great seeing him in action. His fruit is amazing imo.
Can you imagine someone like San Juan Wolf with his fruit? Lol
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So I guess Sanji is from some sort of Mafia family, huh? Interesting, didn't see an arranged marriage coming in One Piece
should've seen it coming with him dress in black suits all the time…......but it could be something else going on. His "alive only" bounty is what makes you wonder how far this goes.
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Yes! Finally Capone! Him and Urouge are my favorite Supernovas, so it was great seeing him in action. His fruit is amazing imo.
Can you imagine someone like San Juan Wolf with his fruit? Lol
As a fan of Capone do you think his Bounty is too high ? Some believe its a mistranslation (Jack all over again)
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Given some patterns in One Piece, i wonder if Nami is going to save Sanji from the marriage at the end of it. What follows after it may be either her wanting Sanji to repay her with some absurd amount of berries or her saying that she really cares for him as a friend, or both of them.
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As a fan of Capone do you think his Bounty is too high ? Some believe its a mistranslation (Jack all over again)
3 billion is definitely a mistranslation. Mangapanda mixes up billions/millions all the time.
