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    746: ''Rivals Stand Fast - The Raging Monsters of the New World''

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    • Crossword
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      I'm putting this up super-early because it turns out that I won't be around tomorrow evening, but I still don't want to miss the conclusion of such an enormous, mega-arc!

      Title: ''Rivals Stand Fast - The Raging Monsters of the New World''
      Chapters Covered: 801
      New Characters: Jack
      Episode Director: Masahiro Hosoda (***)
      Animation Director: Isamu Takara (***1/2)
      Time: 8:30PM EST (Saturday)
      Watch It: www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece

      Did you know that you are now two-and-a-half years older now than you were when the Dressrosa arc began (three if you count the manga)? Think about it.

      ~Stargazer~, ~Distance~ original stories.

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        ! Can't wait for this one. It's gonna be fun watching Jack's voice, Doflamingo's big speech, the Going Luffy-senpai, and the new bounties in all their full glory.

        And yeah, 2013 feels like ancient history to me by now.

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          @Crossword:

          Did you know that you are now two-and-a-half years older now than you were when the Dressrosa arc began (three if you count the manga)? Think about it.

          That's deep.

          I hope they don't..

          ! leave the new bounties' reveal to the end of the filler arc, with ch. 801 being fully covered already.

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            started this arc when i was 22 and now im 25 😢

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              ah wow, I was a senior in high school. I remember watching the first episode of the Dressrosa arc, episode 629. I remember being excited about the new opening.

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                Missed the ep and couldnt hear Jack. Who was his voice actor? I reeeeeeeeally hope he sounds like the man voice of Lord Dominator

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                  Oh shit! Lucci is going to be in this episode, I forgot he was going to be in it.

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                    New bounty's Straw Hat Pirate: https://www.facebook.com/fansofonepiecereborn/videos/1578251715800699
                    One Piece Episode 747 Preview - Silver Mine Arc (Filler)

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                      On Crunchyroll, the English subtitles called Barto's ship the "Mister Luffy Go".

                      Opinions?

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                        Yeah i have had a couple of birthdays since this freaking arc had began, so it was a long time getting here, and now ready for the filler arc.

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                          Can Toei do a filler arc that isn't just 2-3 episodes now? I feel the time passage would be a perfect moment to take things easy for once.

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                            Had to watch the episode on Crunchyroll because I'm not at my laptop at the moment so I couldn't watch it on FUNi like I usually do and while the episode was great and I'm happy that Dressrosa is finally over, I really dislike the terminology that CR use for their simulcast. Like, Coco Village? I didn't release we were using 4Kids terminology all of a sudden. Is it the same translation that FUNi gets?

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                              @G1Ravage:

                              On Crunchyroll, the English subtitles called Barto's ship the "Mister Luffy Go".

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                              Doesn't make sense. Made sense in the Viz manga, makes no sense here (especially since the subs use Going Merry moments later). For some reason the simulcast often tends to insist on using Viz terminology, even when its inconsistent with previous translation choices.

                              @TheGreatCaptainUsopp:

                              Had to watch the episode on Crunchyroll because I'm not at my laptop at the moment so I couldn't watch it on FUNi like I usually do and while the episode was great and I'm happy that Dressrosa is finally over, I really dislike the terminology that CR use for their simulcast. Like, Coco Village? I didn't release we were using 4Kids terminology all of a sudden. Is it the same translation that FUNi gets?

                              From what I can tell both use the same translations. And “Coco Village” is also what is used in the Viz manga, which is another example of my earlier point.

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                                Doesn't make sense. Made sense in the Viz manga, makes no sense here (especially since the subs use Going Merry moments later). For some reason the simulcast often tends to insist on using Viz terminology, even when its inconsistent with previous translation choices.

                                From what I can tell both use the same translations. And “Coco Village” is also what is used in the Viz manga, which is another example of my earlier point.

                                Yeah these translations are a little out of whack, I'm going to see what FUNi had for it.

                                EDIT: I checked and yup, same thing. Get your shit together Toei because I don't want to be hearing Coco Village instead of Cocoyashi Village when the dub gets to this point or Mister Luffy Go when it's clearly Going Luffy-senpai. Burning Blood had some pretty odd translation choices too but that's all because of Bandai Namco.

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                                  All right, finally done with Dressrosa! Liked the episode a lot. Luckily, the chapter it was adapted from had a lot going on, so that made it easier to adapt with no pacing issues. Enjoyed getting to see Doflamingo's speech and the new bounties.
                                  Looking forward to the filler arc starting next week. (My first filler watching it week-by-week!) Looks pretty cool!

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                                    I still think its bullshit Doflamingo got new sun glasses.

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                                      Great episode. Doffy's speech was well-handled and the images of the Emperors, Warlords, Worst Generation etc. would make great wallpapers.
                                      Takara did phenomenal with the art direction.
                                      My favorite segment had to be the showcasing of the Going Luffy Senpai and how much Bart was nerding it up. lol

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                                        I like how this episode had to add that dig by Usopp about Sanji's poster. In addition the episode removes any possible doubt the man on the other line with Lucci wasn't Kaku. It was mostly certain given his accent earlier, but this absolutely confirms it.

                                        I agree that the translation in this one seemed a bit off in spots. Also referred to the tangerines as oranges.

                                        Looks like the filler arc is officially starting. The main bad guy looks like a furnace/boiler-man. The others may also have some sort of mineral-based paramecia and logia powers (except diamond).

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                                          Okay, how the hell does Barto knows about Bellemere?

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                                            @AroNoah:

                                            I still think its bullshit Doflamingo got new sun glasses.

                                            why? they can clearly be seen in the manga panels as well….
                                            it's not like Toei just randomly gave him back his glasses...

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                                              Tremendous episode, art was on point all the while. Pata negra/10.

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                                                I like how this episode had to add that dig by Usopp about Sanji's poster. In addition the episode removes any possible doubt the man on the other line with Lucci wasn't Kaku. It was mostly certain given his accent earlier, but this absolutely confirms it.

                                                I agree that the translation in this one seemed a bit off in spots. Also referred to the tangerines as oranges.

                                                Looks like the filler arc is officially starting. The main bad guy looks like a furnace/boiler-man. The others may also have some sort of mineral-based paramecia and logia powers (except diamond).

                                                So…it was Kaku?

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                                                  Wow, it feels like just yesterday that we saw this content in the manga. They must be really close now. No wonder the upcoming filler arc is a thing.

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                                                    I guess it was Kaku, interesting because I wasn't even thinking that. Jack's voice actor is the guy who voiced Bobby Funk.

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                                                      I don't know about that art, but they nailed the big speech and that's literally all I could ask for.

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                                                      Okay, how the hell does Barto knows about Bellemere?

                                                      He's a crazy stalker fanboy. Motherfucker built an entire ship around that crew, is that really a shocker?

                                                      Working process.

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                                                        Did anybody notice Law being a dick to Nico Robin this episode? What's up is ass? Even in the manga, he seems distant and moody. It's like dude, Dofla is finished why you still mad? I still think one day he's going to betray Luffy and this episode really puts stock in my opinion!

                                                        Good ep though, it's definetely filler time cus the anime is getting way too close to the manga lol.

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                                                          I really liked this episode. The animation and direction were pretty solid. Then the transition from canon to filler I wasn't expecting was well done too. I thought they'd just handle ehat was in thr chapter then next week a clean start with filler. But this way feels much more organic.

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                                                            Good time for a filler after such a huge arc.
                                                            Don Acchiino the second incoming^^

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                                                            UnresolvedWeevil´s plan/Explaining DFs/Deal with Kuma-Bonney´s past/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan

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                                                              @evilvanessafan:

                                                              why? they can clearly be seen in the manga panels as well….
                                                              it's not like Toei just randomly gave him back his glasses...

                                                              Sorry I wasn't clear, I thought it was lame in the manga and it was lame in the anime. I wasn't expecting toei to change it, but was reminded in this episode how much I disliked this decision in the manga.

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                                                                @Green-Hair:

                                                                Did anybody notice Law being a dick to Nico Robin this episode? What's up is ass? Even in the manga, he seems distant and moody. It's like dude, Dofla is finished why you still mad? I still think one day he's going to betray Luffy and this episode really puts stock in my opinion!

                                                                Do you really read the manga? Because that scene never happened. lol

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                                                                  @MasterKingJC:

                                                                  Do you really read the manga? Because that scene never happened. lol

                                                                  Of course I read the manga you smart-ass. 😉

                                                                  And yeah I know that was an extra scene not in the manga I was even confused as to what was going on. It's just that Law never really seems as cheerful as he was in the first part when he was introduced. I don't even think he smiles that much anymore and in the anime (especially in this scene with Robin), he comes across like even more like a moody loner. IDK, maybe im just jumping to conclusions but he's like the only D. I know that doesn't smile all time and be a least a little cheerful.

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                                                                    Is it weird that i wasn't expecting Zoro to give that "aww, boring!" reaction to Sanji's new poster? I thought it was Luffy or Usopp in the manga..

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                                                                    I guess it was Kaku, interesting because I wasn't even thinking that.

                                                                    I had forgot about that, but the speech pattern in the manga made it pretty much clear, for japanese readers at least, that it was Kaku.

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                                                                      Man, what a great sendoff for Dressrosa. Doflamingo's speech was powerful and awesome, and Jack sounds exactly like I thought he would. Now, filler arc hype!

                                                                      @KageKageKing:

                                                                      Okay, how the hell does Barto knows about Bellemere?

                                                                      Bartolomeo is from East Blue, so it wouldn't surprised me if he visited the Straw Hats' homes like they were historical sites.

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                                                                        @goty:

                                                                        I had forgot about that, but the speech pattern in the manga made it pretty much clear, for japanese readers at least, that it was Kaku.

                                                                        speech pattern? Could you please make it more specific?

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                                                                          @Laffitte:

                                                                          speech pattern? Could you please make it more specific?

                                                                          Kaku talks like an old man in Japanese.

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                                                                            There's even a gag back in Water 7, when Luffy calls him an old man because of the particular way he talks, and he says he's just 23.

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                                                                              Law being rude to Robin and her smile reaction was really out of place.
                                                                              Other than that, very good episode.

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                                                                                Did anybody notice Law being a dick to Nico Robin this episode? What's up is ass? Even in the manga, he seems distant and moody. It's like dude, Dofla is finished why you still mad? I still think one day he's going to betray Luffy and this episode really puts stock in my opinion!

                                                                                Good ep though, it's definetely filler time cus the anime is getting way too close to the manga lol.

                                                                                I really hated how he behaved there. I mean, what a jerk! "Leave me alone". Seriously? I wonder what the point of that scene was. Just made me dislike law that time.

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                                                                                  @Laffitte:

                                                                                  speech pattern? Could you please make it more specific?

                                                                                  Old men in japanese (mainly in animes or so) use "ja" instead of "desu" or "da", Kaku uses that word a lot, like an old man would do. In this episode he says "jaga" (like and old man), when the word is "daga". (That's roughly the explanation).

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                                                                                    @Galaxy:

                                                                                    Kaku talks like an old man in Japanese.

                                                                                    Thank you Galaxy

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                                                                                    Old men in japanese (mainly in animes or so) use "ja" instead of "desu" or "da", Kaku uses that word a lot, like an old man would do. In this episode he says "jaga" (like and old man), when the word is "daga". (That's roughly the explanation).

                                                                                    I see. I sort of figured that when I revisited the raws back to the water 7 arc. Thank you!

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                                                                                      I hope Oda explains how the CP9 became the CP0. Last I checked, they were expelled from the government and were to be hunted down, and now they got a promotion? I call ass pull on Oda. He probably couldn't come up with a new government crew as memorable as CP9 so just brought them back.

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                                                                                        DoFlamingo gives great speeches as always. Its been a joy hearing his voice actor in action the past couple of years, he did a great job with him.

                                                                                        Jack's voice sounded as i thought it would.

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                                                                                          I hope Oda explains how the CP9 became the CP0. Last I checked, they were expelled from the government and were to be hunted down, and now they got a promotion? I call ass pull on Oda. He probably couldn't come up with a new government crew as memorable as CP9 so just brought them back.

                                                                                          No doubt Spandine and Spandam failed in their endeavor given that Spandam has been is clearly not giving orders to Cipher Pol anymore. If you recall the CP9 members vowed they would one day return to be part of Cipher Pol when Lucci used Capt. Berry Good's transponder snail to call Spandam directly. In addition, there is still some mystery in regards to the Cipher Pol "homeland" which suggests that they have some level of independence and are rather in alliance with the WG rather than being a direct part of it. So perhaps Sakazuki or another official went over Spandine's head and reinstated them into a separate CP branch.

                                                                                          Also, the only known members are Kaku, Lucci, and Spandam. Many other members could very well be new characters, which is why they have not been revealed yet except possibly as the earlier shown masked members. We may see one of those "next generation" Cipher Pol members shown training in the cover story. Whether any other former CP9 members are part of CP0 is currently unknown.

                                                                                          I'm pretty sure we are going to get the low down eventually given that CP0 is certainly going to play a significant role in future events. The cover story introduced elements of Cipher Pol that should be elaborated on. What we got in this episode is just a tease.

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                                                                                            I hope Oda explains how the CP9 became the CP0. Last I checked, they were expelled from the government and were to be hunted down, and now they got a promotion? I call ass pull on Oda. He probably couldn't come up with a new government crew as memorable as CP9 so just brought them back.

                                                                                            cp9 most likely explained why they were doing it and spandam got demoted in exchanged for not killing him.

                                                                                            dragon and his army most likely wiped out most of the former cpzero some of the former cpzero members are still most likely alive but they had to recruit more members to replace the dead ones

                                                                                            i think spandine is the leader

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                                                                                              @genocyber:

                                                                                              I hope Oda explains how the CP9 became the CP0. Last I checked, they were expelled from the government and were to be hunted down, and now they got a promotion? I call ass pull on Oda. He probably couldn't come up with a new government crew as memorable as CP9 so just brought them back.

                                                                                              Another thing is that CP-0 directly serves the world nobles and people on Mariejois, so their process is probably different. We still need a lot confirmed though.

                                                                                              Also, don't forget the three members showed at the beginning of the arc - none of their bodies seem to match those of CP9. CP-0 is much more than promoted CP9.

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                                                                                                One thing to say.. Doflamingo voice actor deserves an Oscar

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                                                                                                  No doubt Spandine and Spandam failed in their endeavor given that Spandam has been is clearly not giving orders to Cipher Pol anymore. If you recall the CP9 members vowed they would one day return to be part of Cipher Pol when Lucci used Capt. Berry Good's transponder snail to call Spandam directly. In addition, there is still some mystery in regards to the Cipher Pol "homeland" which suggests that they have some level of independence and are rather in alliance with the WG rather than being a direct part of it. So perhaps Sakazuki or another official went over Spandine's head and reinstated them into a separate CP branch.

                                                                                                  Also, the only known members are Kaku, Lucci, and Spandam. Many other members could very well be new characters, which is why they have not been revealed yet except possibly as the earlier shown masked members. We may see one of those "next generation" Cipher Pol members shown training in the cover story. Whether any other former CP9 members are part of CP0 is currently unknown.

                                                                                                  I'm pretty sure we are going to get the low down eventually given that CP0 is certainly going to play a significant role in future events. The cover story introduced elements of Cipher Pol that should be elaborated on. What we got in this episode is just a tease.

                                                                                                  What I got out of that was Spandam remained captain of the CP9 who would train new recruits. Spandam had become Lucci and the others main target they would go after, rather than the World Government for having them marked for extermination. Since they were a secret organization I doubt the Marine admirals would have knowledge of them, or have any say over how they conducted themselves. As we have seen, the Marines are given no respect by the Elder Stars or Celestial Dragons, so they are beneath Cipher Pol in terms of recognition.

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                                                                                                    What I got out of that was Spandam remained captain of the CP9 who would train new recruits. Spandam had become Lucci and the others main target they would go after, rather than the World Government for having them marked for extermination. Since they were a secret organization I doubt the Marine admirals would have knowledge of them, or have any say over how they conducted themselves. As we have seen, the Marines are given no respect by the Elder Stars or Celestial Dragons, so they are beneath Cipher Pol in terms of recognition.

                                                                                                    Of course the Marine overall knowledge of CP9. Maybe not every little foot soldier around the world, but there were numerous Marine Soldiers at Enies Lobby. No doubt the higher ups were aware of CP9. Don't you remember Vice-Admiral Doberman giving that little speech about Luccis background to his subordinates? Not to mention that Aokiji even appeared on Enies Lobby at the end of the arc.

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                                                                                                      so luffy has a weird looking jolly roger on the back of his singlet in this episode… did he always have this?!

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