Wasn’t a Pokemon in the beta which was found recently with a Pokemon which looked like the Slowbro Shell?
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I always have found it weird with Pokemon that -In their dex- are clearly merged Pokemon, but in terms of evolving it are simply level up.
Slobro and Shellder for example.
Regarding the whole Shellder, Slowpoke, and Slowbro question, my take is that when they were created, Pokemon evolution didn’t exist.
Slowbro was one of the earliest Pokémon created given that it appears as a sprite in the pitch Satoshi Tajiri and Ken Sugimori developed and submitted in 1990 back when it still called Capsule Monsters. Given that the Pokémon shown as sprites appear first in the in Pokémon index ordering (not the same as the Pokedex ordering), it’s reasonable to speculate that the index order is a roughly correlated with creation order.
Two Pokémon that also as drawings on that pitch are Staryu (#27) and Blastoise (#28) which are further down on the index list after Shellder (#23). So Shellder’s sprite was at least completed before those two. Slowpoke comes after those two at # 37, still pretty early on.Now this is speculation on my part and others. Game Freak had internal polls to judge the designs of the various Pokémon, and for one (I think from around October 1992) that was released for outside viewing, the last Pokémon on the list that was kept was Krabby at # 78. Of the Pokémon with a lower ID #, there’s not really a hint of that evolution was going to be part of the game (besides the Slowpoke line, only the first and final forms of the two Nidos, Gastly and Gengar, and the Exeggcute line appear, and let’s be frank, the last two groups don’t look anything alike).
But when you get to # 82 with Vulpix, Pokémon are introduced with clear evolution patterns in mind. Vulpix is followed by Ninetales (#83), Pikachu (#84) by Raichu (#85), Eevee and its three forms (# 101-105), etc and also Pokémon meant to evolve from and/or into older forms start showing up. Pokémon had a long development history with the team taking hiatuses from it to work on other projects to stay afloat (Game Freak was a really small team after all and Pokémon was Satoshi Tajiri’s dream project, so of course he’d take time), and it’s likely that the idea of evolution came to be during one of these hiatuses. Pikachu's designer, Atsuko Nishida, said that when she was given instructions to develop an electric type that evolved twice, so evolution predates Pikachu, but Pikachu is stated not to have been on the October '92 poll.
In conclusion, I personally don’t think that Slowpoke was meant to evolve into Slowbro originally, but the idea that there was a relationship between Shellder, Slowpoke, and Slowbro had been established early on. That was changed when they started to create new Pokemon for evolution lines, and they decided, why not just have Slowpoke lvl up into Slowbro because it was simple to do and they had a connection.
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Hey, at least they didn't just staple more Magnemite together to make it.
This would be a fair compliant, but all evidence suggests that Magneton (who was on the October '92 poll) was created before Magnemite (who is not). Diglett and Dugtrio, on the other hand.
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Wasn’t a Pokemon in the beta which was found recently with a Pokemon which looked like the Slowbro Shell?
Sort of. It’s technically the headpiece for Slowking because it has a jewel in it like you see in Indian turbans (even the pokemon’s name is Taaban, the word for turban), unlike Slowbro’s shell. But it has no real relationship in the game data to either Slowking or Shellder.
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This would be a fair compliant, but all evidence suggests that Magneton (who was on the October '92 poll) was created before Magnemite (who is not). Diglett and Dugtrio, on the other hand.
oh wow.
I totally would buy the idea of evolution coming later into the process. Biggest example is Cuboon.The mother angle makes 10x more sense with Kangaskhan, a decidedly maternal pokemon that has an offspring (that was never expanded into a standalone baby mon because ??? you'll always get an egg with an adult kanga which is a little disturbing)
Then you have butterfree looking more like venonat, not metapod or caterpie.
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I also seem to recall that Psyduck and Golduck names originally were supposed to go in the reverse order.
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I also seem to recall that Psyduck and Golduck names originally were supposed to go in the reverse order.
This one can be disproven just by looking at the Japanese name. Psyduck is "Koduck" ("Ko" meaning "Child") and Golduck has the same name in both English and Japanese. While having the yellow one be named Golduck and the stronger blue one being Psyduck might make sense, having the yellow one be Golduck and the stronger blue one being Child Duck… doesn't.
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The theory only makes sense with the localized names tho.
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Hey, at least they didn't just staple more Magnemite together to make it.
Hey at least they didn't invert the colors and give it a mouth like they did with Electrode.
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Then you have butterfree looking more like venonat, not metapod or caterpie.
General theory is they switched butterfree and Venomoth around because Butterfree was the more popular design. You look at their heads and they absolutely look like switches of the early forms of the others… and given the "things weren't planned to evolve originally" take, that makes perfect sense. I'm not 100% sold on Venomoth originally being butterfree.... but Butterfree was 100% oriignally Venonat's evo. Even the hand positions!
Similarly, Dragonite was the original Charizard. Thats why it's so different from it's prevos, including it coloring. As early as Yellow, and definitely by the anime, Charmeleon looked pretty distinct from Dragonite, but in the very first games…
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Somebody I know wants to sell Let's Go Pikachu for super cheap and I'm kinda intrigued, but is there a point to the game for someone who never downloaded the let's go app and has no interested in it? If the game is basically just a Pokemon Yellow remake then I'm fine with it, but if I miss out on like half the game without the app then I don't feel getting it.
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The app makes it easier to get certain mons depending of your location (I'd guess), and in order to get the mystical pokemon Meltan, you have to unlock something in the game, send it to the app, and then play a lot of the app to get the evolution of Meltan.
If it is only yellow you are looking, you could watch a review to see what they say.
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The app makes it easier to get certain mons depending of your location (I'd guess), and in order to get the mystical pokemon Meltan, you have to unlock something in the game, send it to the app, and then play a lot of the app to get the evolution of Meltan.
I expected more connection with the app, but fine by me. Anything else about the game seems fine, good enough to drop 20 bucks on it at least.
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General theory is they switched butterfree and Venomoth around because Butterfree was the more popular design. You look at their heads and they absolutely look like switches of the early forms of the others… and given the "things weren't planned to evolve originally" take, that makes perfect sense. I'm not 100% sold on Venomoth originally being butterfree.... but Butterfree was 100% oriignally Venonat's evo. Even the hand positions!
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Similarly, Dragonite was the original Charizard. Thats why it's so different from it's prevos, including it coloring. As early as Yellow, and definitely by the anime, Charmeleon looked pretty distinct from Dragonite, but in the very first games…
https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/vp/thumb/1489/26/1489264326962s.jpg
Evolution not being at the beginning is really just an assumption on my part; there's just no mention of evolution in the Capsule Monster pitch, which you'd think would be a something worth mentioning if it was supposed to be there, especially when the four of the Nidos already existed. And most of the Pokemon evolution lines that come before Vulpix on the internal list either look rather different from each other, and aren't grouped together, which is kind of weird. But then again, you have the aforementioned Nidos, Growlithe and Arcanine, Slowbro and Slowpoke, so… I don't know, I could be wrong. At the very least, they didn't commit to the idea until they started working on Vulpix, Pikachu, and others.
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Venonat is pre-Vulpix, while the spot for Venomoth and the Caterpie line are post-Vulpix. So Venonat likely wasn't going to evolve at first, but that's all we can say about it and Butterfree. Sprite changes happened, sometimes big ones.
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But Dragonite originally being Charizard's design, that is incorrect. Atsuko Nishida (who also designed Pikachu), said that she designed Charmander by working backwards from Charizard, which she also designed (she did similar things with Squirtle and Bulbasaur, though Blastoise was Ken Sugimori's and likely so was Venusaur). Both were also late additions, compared to Dragonite.
Plus this is is an earlier sprite of Dragonair (also Nishida's creation). Notice it has the antennas and the ridge on the back that the Red & Green sprite of Dragonite had, but later versions have since removed it. Color also would not have been a concern because Gameboy was monochromed and Ken Sugimori said they didn't think about color when designing until the Super Game Boy came out, long into development. Even Nishida said even into Gold & Silver, she thought in terms of monochrome
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General theory is they switched butterfree and Venomoth around because Butterfree was the more popular design. You look at their heads and they absolutely look like switches of the early forms of the others… and given the "things weren't planned to evolve originally" take, that makes perfect sense. I'm not 100% sold on Venomoth originally being butterfree.... but Butterfree was 100% oriignally Venonat's evo. Even the hand positions!
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/822/644/a2e.jpg
Similarly, Dragonite was the original Charizard. Thats why it's so different from it's prevos, including it coloring. As early as Yellow, and definitely by the anime, Charmeleon looked pretty distinct from Dragonite, but in the very first games…
https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/vp/thumb/1489/26/1489264326962s.jpg
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Wow, those are really good obscure info!
Curiously, if we take the index numbers as an indication of the order they were created, and thinking of them as batches based on what you said, the whole Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree line was implemented at the same time, so maybe the Butterfree and Venonat similarities are really just a very weird coincidence. Hmm… I always wondered about that one, cool to have some indication Butterfree was always meant to be Caterpie's final form.
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Every week, a live drawing video will be uploaded to Game Freak’s official YouTube channel featuring one of the designers who work at the studio in Japan conducting a drawing from scratch, providing a rare insight into each of the chosen designers drawing techniques and methods.
The first episode will be conducted by Ken Sugimori, an art director and one of the people who designed many of the original 151 Pokémon that spawned the cultural phenomenon. Hironobu Yoshida and James Turner will also be featured in their own episode as they showcase their drawing techniques in a rather relaxed environment using the technologies and material they would use to conduct their day to day work. During each of the episodes, they will be interviewed by fellow graphic designer Takao Unno.
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An EXTREMELY reliable insider and "leaker" named king zell (a member on the gaming forum, ResetEra, and a reddit user) has said (yesterday) that Pokemon 2019 (the next game, currently untitled, "true beginning" of Generation
is going to be Breath of the Wild-tier (apparently the game has been in development close to 3 years now) when it comes to design, scale, and importance placed on it by Nintendo (probably gonna be their BIG showcase game at E3 2019). It's suppose to do what Breath of the Wild did for the Zelda series, but…to the Pokemon series.They also made mention we should be hearing about it soon, the reveal, and the marketing cycle will be beginning (i.e. trailers revealing new pokemon, revealing the region, mechanics etc).
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An EXTREMELY reliable insider and "leaker" named king zell (a member on the gaming forum, ResetEra, and a reddit user) has said (yesterday) that Pokemon 2019 (the next game, currently untitled, "true beginning" of Generation
is going to be Breath of the Wild-tier (apparently the game has been in development close to 3 years now) when it comes to design, scale, and importance placed on it by Nintendo (probably gonna be their BIG showcase game at E3 2019). It's suppose to do what Breath of the Wild did for the Zelda series, but…to the Pokemon series.They also made mention we should be hearing about it soon, the reveal, and the marketing cycle will be beginning (i.e. trailers revealing new pokemon, revealing the region, mechanics etc).
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I'd like this to be true, but I don't believe it.
Well, aside from the part about the reveal and marketing starting soon.
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I wonder what this potential news means for the amount of new pokemon it'll deliver. If this was truly a large scale game, I would love to see the number of pokemon get to 999 or 1000.
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I wonder what this potential news means for the amount of new pokemon it'll deliver. If this was truly a large scale game, I would love to see the number of pokemon get to 999 or 1000.
Maybe, but I'll settle for being actually able to catch them all in one game.
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An EXTREMELY reliable insider and "leaker" named king zell (a member on the gaming forum, ResetEra, and a reddit user) has said (yesterday) that Pokemon 2019 (the next game, currently untitled, "true beginning" of Generation
is going to be Breath of the Wild-tier (apparently the game has been in development close to 3 years now) when it comes to design, scale, and importance placed on it by Nintendo (probably gonna be their BIG showcase game at E3 2019). It's suppose to do what Breath of the Wild did for the Zelda series, but…to the Pokemon series.
.Well, the BotW open world free exploration go anywhere you want without artificial barriers approach is basically what we all want, so… it'd be nice if true. But if they just mean "graphics" but the direction you go is as on-rails, hand holding and cinema heavy as SM was, then... bleh.
I wonder what this potential news means for the amount of new pokemon it'll deliver. If this was truly a large scale game, I would love to see the number of pokemon get to 999 or 1000.
That is incredibly unlikely. We're only at 809 right now, and even the biggest gens have only brought 150.
Especially now that they reinvent old monsters with mega forms and aloan forms (or whatever the new region variant is)… I'd imagine that we're probably going to see about 80 new things again (including 9 starters and 20 legendaries....) and 30-50 revisits of old things. That seems to have been their method of choice now.
If it was JUST the games they had to consider, I could see one of them randomly pushing into 200 monsters, since other monster collection games have managed that, but since they have to deal with marketing new toys, movies, the anime, etc., they seem to have figured out about what they can pace in a typical 3 year period comfortably.
But that'll pave the path for Gen 9 to hit 1000 in 2022 or so for a late 25th anniversary.
(The original game came out in February 96 in Japan so the actual anniversary would be 2021... but between anniveraries lasting a whole year, multiple games, the anime, and the rest of the world releases, they can fudge the dates however they want to exploit the big 25 for a while.)
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Yeah… I'd expect around maybe 70 to 75 (or something) new Pokemon at the very MAX (they will, of course, implement old Pokemon to make the dex of the game bigger of course) if they are truly redoing the world design and formula, and amping up the scale of the game itself as it sounds they are doing.
Most of the effort will probably be put into the world design and such over implementing a bunch of new Pokemon.
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I want my cake and to eat it too. My favorite gens are always the ones with a bunch of new pokemon that aren't just evos or prevos of old ones ie 3 (especially 3) 5, and 1. Buuuut, if they truly do expand the world and the gameplay in interesting and fresh ways, I'll be more than happy with a smaller amount of new Pokemon.
Also, if they do go the smaller pokedex route, I hope there are less legendaries or special (UB style) Pokemon, so more Gen 6 than 7.
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I'm hoping for some evolutions for old pokemon actually, the new Mewtwo movie is called evolution, so I'm hoping that is a theme once again like Gen 4, hopefully with Mega evolutions also being part of it.
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No more cross generation evolutions, they look weird and tack on concepts that are barelly related to the original mon (except weirdly eevee), like Rydon is now a construction worker! Magmar is now artilery! Baby pikachu has a litte suit/bib!
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The thing I want the most for the next Pokemon game is for leakers to shut the fuck up and just let people enjoy the pacing of release of information.
Maybe I'm just jaded because the Smash cycle involved such a stupid amount of rumors, insiders, "leakers", text leaks and all that, but it seriously just gets tiring. Particularly since when you follow gaming news and sites the leaks are outright shoved in your face more than half the time. Let pokemon company release information when they want and how they want and actually surprise people with that information.
It's like sitting down to enjoy a book while some asshole is sitting next to you screaming "HEY THERE'S SOME REALLY COOL STUFF IN TWO PAGES THAT WILL IMPACT X CHARACTER AND REVEAL Y INFO AND IT WILL BE SUPER COOL, TRUST ME." At a moderate level it can be enticing and make you curious for what's coming. But at the level it's like now it's just overwhelming and exhausting and makes you long for the release of everything officially not to enjoy it but just so people can stop being attention whores and shut the fuck up.At the least with this one it's something so impossibly vague and uninformative that it can be ignored, pretty much the equivalent of saying "the game will have new stuff that will change the franchise!" (which could be said about every pokemon release ever). And "leaking" that the marketing cycle will be starting soon is not a leak as much as it is a reasonable assumption. Not to mention the fact that soon could mean next week as easily as it could mean March or April.
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I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
Squirtle will always be my #1
Tododile, Treeko, Popplio, and Mudkip are all #2
I definitely don't favor water types :ninja:
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
It's either Squirtle or Oshawott for me. I always go for the Water starter.
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
Rowlet. Not for any practical reasons mind you, I just think it's over-the-top adorable.
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
Turtwig is my number 1.
If we go by region then: Bulbasaur, Cyndaquil, Mudkip, Turtwig, Snivy, and for the last two it's a toss up between Chespin/Fennekin and Rowlet/Popplio.
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Squirtle, Cindaquill, Totodile, Snivy, Fenekin, Rowlet
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Charmander, Chikorita, Treecko, Mudkip, Chimchar, Oshawoot, Litten, Popplio
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Torchic, Turtwig, Pipplup, Tepig, Chespin, FroakieList purelly based on their initial forms, there would be a lot of shuffling if it meant "the whole package".
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Totodile is my interior crocodile alligator.
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If we are going by initial form than charmander is the goat.
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
My top favorite is the Mudkip line. I loved the typing, it has a unique design, and was amazing to play through on Ruby for the first time.
Per gens, Charmander's line has become my favorite. It used to be a tie between Bulbasaur and Charmander, but I've become to Charizard after using it's X Mega in my normal OU team on Pokemon Showdown.
I….really don't like the Gen 2 starters. Cyndaquil is my go to, but I HATE the fact that they're all monotype, and really don't have anything unique to set them apart.
I actually really love all of the Gen 4 starters. I think my first run on Diamond was with Turtwig, but I've played through that and Platinum dozens of times with each of the starters. Love all of their designs and typing. Even Infernape, even if it was in the middle of the "fire/fighting" trifecta that overstayed it's welcome. Plus, part of it was because I loved Ash's infernape and it's story in the anime, which the Diamond and Pearl anime was the last I regularly watched.
Unova is my favorite region, though I'm not the biggest fan of the starters. I usually pick Oshwatt, and think he stands out enough in all of his evolved forms to say he's my favorite. Though my first run ever on black was with Tepig which I ditched once I was able to get a Darmanitan. At this point I was simply done with the Fire/fighting types. And while I don't like Snivy or most grass types, I appreciate it's design and can see why others would love it.
Gen 6 is weird. I hated X and Y. It highlighted a lot of the issues I've had with the franchise going forward. That absolutely played into my feelings with these starters. I believe I chose Froakie on my first play through of X. While I appreciated the inclusion of the Dark/Psy/Fighting triangle many had theorized they'd use for a group of starters, instead of the Fire/Water/Grass, it felt flat for me. Mainly because in these games....well you get handed EVERYTHING. You always got Pokemon as gifts in games but I mean
-Kalos Starter
-Kanto Starter w/ Mega Stone
-LuccarioAnd I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting. But the fact that they gave two starter Pokemon just made me lose any connection to my Kalos Starter.
And finally, for Alola, I honestly really liked all of their designs. While my first run on Moon was with a Litten, I played Ultra Moon with Popplio and fell in love with the little guy. The fact that Rowlett eventually lost it's Grass/Flying typing is what kept me from ever playing it. i wanted to! In the hype for Sun/Moon I was set on getting Rowlett. I always loved Tropius from Gen 3, but it sucked. So I thought this would be the redemption for that. Nope.
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1st stage: Rowlet. 2nd stage: Grotle. 3rd stage: Serperior/Incineroar
Don't know which starter would be my favorite if I took the whole line into account, never figured it out.
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Favorite/Least Favorite
First stage:
Charmander, Mudkip/They all are effective
Second Stage:
Dewott/Monferno(it's really boring)
Third Stage:
Greninja, Decidueye, Charizard, Sceptile/Incineroar, Primarina, Samurott (I absolutely hate all three of these. They're the reason I'll never complete the pokedex, lol)
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What are your guys favorite Starter pokemon???
Unlike daxter I'm kinda taking the average feeling of the whole line.
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Bulbasaur, Snivy, Totodile, Treecko
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Chikorita, Turtwig, Charmander, Squirtle, Mudkip, Popplio
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Cyndaquil, Fennekin, Chimchar, Piplup
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Tepig, Litten, Torchic, Froakie, Rowlet
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Oshawott, ChespinI almost always pick grass, but Totodile was a standout.
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Unlike daxter I'm kinda taking the average feeling of the whole line.
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Bulbasaur, Snivy, Totodile, Treecko
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Chikorita, Turtwig, Charmander, Squirtle, Mudkip, Popplio
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Cyndaquil, Fennekin, Chimchar, Piplup
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Tepig, Litten, Torchic, Froakie, Rowlet
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Oshawott, ChespinI almost always pick grass, but Totodile was a standout.
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Totodile is my interior crocodile alligator.
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Totodile is pretty great, and I love Feraligatr's design, even though all of the Gen 2 mons are just "Pokemon Gets Bigger"
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Wow I haven't seen this many responses in a long time! Glad to see it's a question that people really liked
I guess I'll tell my favorites
I hgonestly love all three of the first gens, Nostalgia might have a bit to do with it though lol
I'm not a huge fan of the second gen except for Totadile, the other two just don't do much design wise for me
it's the opisite on the third gen, I love Treecko and Torchic (although I'm a bigger fan of there evolved forms) and not so in love with Mudkip
and all the fourth gens are just….. okay
I haven't played any games since then so I can't really speak to what my favorites are but since playing smash bros, I've kind of fallen in love with Greninja and incineroar lol
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Smash is really good at making you like characters. I always thought Gen VI was a complete miss as far as starters go, but now I am finally warming up to Greninja (Ivysaur also finally got on my good side thanks to it).
I suppose Pokkén could have the same effect, but it would need at least a few names I already liked to begin with so I could be interested enough to buy it (and 2 is too few for that).
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An EXTREMELY reliable insider and "leaker" named king zell (a member on the gaming forum, ResetEra, and a reddit user) has said (yesterday) that Pokemon 2019 (the next game, currently untitled, "true beginning" of Generation
is going to be Breath of the Wild-tier (apparently the game has been in development close to 3 years now) when it comes to design, scale, and importance placed on it by Nintendo (probably gonna be their BIG showcase game at E3 2019). It's suppose to do what Breath of the Wild did for the Zelda series, but…to the Pokemon series.They also made mention we should be hearing about it soon, the reveal, and the marketing cycle will be beginning (i.e. trailers revealing new pokemon, revealing the region, mechanics etc).
I really hope this news is true, the way they changed the formula on both Zelda and Mario, gets me really excited to see what they'll do next with Pokemon
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Got let's go pikachu for Christmas. Its pretty good so far but it feels like something is missing. Plus can't wait to use the pokeball option
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I got to say I like the designs from what I can see in the trailers.
