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    • Halfmetal-lich
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      @andre:

      That's true, but I'm going by the assumption that the leakers who initially leaked Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee were right and that information. I hope that I'm proven wrong and that this is not only a remake of yellow with new bells and whistles, but a complete revamp of Kanto with the other 6 gens of Pokemon available somewhere. I've been playing since the games first came out in the U.S. and the original 151 are nostalgic, but I don't get much joy from them anymore. But you're right, It'll be better to wait and hope there's more to this.

      Honestly, this just seems to be a Yellow remake to help tide people over while the core games are being worked on. Which I am sure they probably want to be written up in the sky to calm down the fans.

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        Update in the 151 thing from Pokemon twitter.

        Pokémon originally discovered in the Kanto region that you've caught in Pokémon GO can be brought into #PokemonLetsGo! http://bit.ly/2ISUMVX

        Urgh that might indeed mean we only get the 151 in this game :(, I disliked gen 3 system for that.

        Edit: PokemonGoers/Casuals already saying "kewl we don't need all those pokemon!"

        Pokémon Quest is available now on Switch, for free. The mobile version is coming at the end of June.

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          @GetsugaZoro:

          Update in the 151 thing from Pokemon twitter.

          Pokémon originally discovered in the Kanto region that you've caught in Pokémon GO can be brought into #PokemonLetsGo! http://bit.ly/2ISUMVX

          Urgh that might indeed mean we only get the 151 in this game :(, I disliked gen 3 system for that.

          The implication for that is worse than Gen 3. At least you could feasibly use all pokemon released through a bunch of convoluted means, but I think this is implying that only the original 151 are even coded into the game, which matches up with what the first Let's Go leaker said on 4chan about the games. https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/tripcode/%21%21VcYyqWkqKyF/

          "about johto/sevii islands, you can only get kanto pokemon in Let's GO."

          He even says prevos like Pichu and evolutions like Crobat won't be available. That's really disappointing if true.

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            It really looks fun, but it's only limited to Kanto, kinda kills my enthusiasm.

            Eevee is adorable, though.

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              Thank god gen 8 got delayed to 2019.
              Two years is way too short a development cycle for a major RPG.

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                One thing I noticed is that while the battling is in tact for the trainers, it didn't seem like they were facing any wild pokemon in battle.

                I'm fine with using Go's catching mechanics, but only if it's after reducing a Pokemon's HP low enough. If it's simply "catch pokemon by throwing balls and using berries" that's the deal breaker.

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                  @andre:

                  The implication for that is worse than Gen 3. At least you could feasibly use all pokemon released through a bunch of convoluted means, but I think this is implying that only the original 151 are even coded into the game, which matches up with what the first Let's Go leaker said on 4chan about the games. https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/tripcode/%21%21VcYyqWkqKyF/

                  "about johto/sevii islands, you can only get kanto pokemon in Let's GO."

                  That's really disappointing if true.

                  Yeah :(, I'm assuming these pokemon will later be transferable to Gen 8 by Pokemon bank.

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                  One thing I noticed is that while the battling is in tact for the trainers, it didn't seem like they were facing any wild pokemon in battle.

                  I'm fine with using Go's catching mechanics, but only if it's after reducing a Pokemon's HP low enough. If it's simply "catch pokemon by throwing balls and using berries" that's the deal breaker.

                  I didn't notice that either, man I hope its just a trailer thing, that would really bother me, I don't want the battling to be changed, weakening pokemon in battle to catch them is part of the battling

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                    Sun and Moon isn't even two yet and people are just furious this isn't the new gen. I don't mind not liking GO but this is too much lmao.

                    Was Ultra Sun and Moon really that bad?

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                      You know, this is pretty much the best possible outcome and exactly what I hoped for. Game Freak is taking their time to develop the new actual core RPG title(s) for next year, and in the meantime we're getting a fun little set of RPG/GO hybrid games. Nice. This will be plenty to tide me over, and hopefully the 2019 core titles will end up the best they can possible be (meaning not dropping to like 10fps whenever more than two critters happen to be on the battlefield at once).

                      Anyway, which version I get, Let's Go Pikachu or Eevee, will depend solely on whether the games let us evolve the titular critters. If I'm denied the ability to run around with a Raichu on my head in LGP, then I'll be picking up Eevee instead.

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                      • GetsugaZoro
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                        They mention getting a special Pokemon from Go, I assume its Mew if its 151 only.

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                        Sun and Moon isn't even two yet and people are just furious this isn't the new gen. I don't mind not liking GO but this is too much lmao.

                        Was Ultra Sun and Moon really that bad?

                        Nope, apparently adding a bunch of stuff post game, new Pokemon and other things to a game, is worse than adding a battle frontier/wtv facility and a new mythical pokemon as a third game, therefore USUM sucks.

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                          Sun and Moon isn't even two yet and people are just furious this isn't the new gen. I don't mind not liking GO but this is too much lmao.

                          Was Ultra Sun and Moon really that bad?

                          Ultra Sun and Moon introduced a number of good QOL changes and shook up a number of things concerning battling, but it did lack a deep postgame again and basically dumbed down what a lot of people remembered Sun and Moon most fondly for, the story ironically enough, back to more typical Pokemon levels.

                          This game, eh, if Pokemon catching is truly operating purely on GO mechanics than that's a hard pass from me and I'll gladly keep waiting for Gen VIII.

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                            So any Switch owners outside Europe tried to get Pokemon Quest? its not out in here yet.

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                              @Mr.:

                              Sun and Moon isn't even two yet and people are just furious this isn't the new gen. I don't mind not liking GO but this is too much lmao.

                              Was Ultra Sun and Moon really that bad?

                              Sun and Moon did alot of good, getting rid of the god awful HM system most notably.

                              But the handholding which was already grating in other games was pumped up to eleven. I understand that each game is someone's first, but holy FUCK, please add a skip tutorial option. I also personally wanted to stick a grenade in the mouth of the rival and pull the pin, but that's just me.

                              Plus Nebbie never could get into that fucking bag.

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                                Compared to Emerald, Platinum, and especially the unbelievably great Black and White 2, yeah, I think Ultra Sun and Moon are disappointments. The new pokemon were cool, though.

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                                  From Eurogamer **2019 core RPG (untitled) is set to be "in the style of X and Y and Sun and Moon". This should appease competitive players, with Let's Go! aimed at a broad audience, "a core RPG for everyone".

                                  Update 2: Players will be able to bring all 151 Kanto-region Pokémon from Pokémon Go to Pokémon Let's Go! Pikachu and Eevee, as well as the Alolan forms of those Pokémon such as Alolan Exeggutor (which has just been surprise-released to Pokémon Go, too).** We don't need a new thread for this game right? its not a gen change yet so we can probably keep it in this one.

                                  Pokemon Quest trailer

                                  Seems the game is out, downloading it right now.

                                  Ok now I'm getting pissed off, they really are trying to bring the GO players which looks like they mostly left the game already to play the main series, battling still seems unchanged looking at levels and pokemon HP.

                                  ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

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                                    @GetsugaZoro:

                                    From Eurogamer **2019 core RPG (untitled) is set to be "in the style of X and Y and Sun and Moon". This should appease competitive players, with Let's Go! aimed at a broad audience, "a core RPG for everyone".

                                    Update 2: Players will be able to bring all 151 Kanto-region Pokémon from Pokémon Go to Pokémon Let's Go! Pikachu and Eevee, as well as the Alolan forms of those Pokémon such as Alolan Exeggutor (which has just been surprise-released to Pokémon Go, too).** We don't need a new thread for this game right? its not a gen change yet so we can probably keep it in this one.

                                    Pokemon Quest trailer

                                    Seems the game is out, downloading it right now.

                                    https://i.imgur.com/8cRl8eD.jpg

                                    Ok now I'm getting pissed off, they really are trying to bring the GO players which looks like they mostly left the game already to play the main series, battling still seems unchanged looking at levels and pokemon HP.

                                    https://i.imgur.com/aGakSlQ.png

                                    I'm betting on Gorochu or a new eevolution.

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                                      Pokemon CEO: Next year’s game (second half 2019) will be brand new game. So not like an upgrade of LGP/LGE Pokemon twitter confirms the new pokemon

                                      No online features, that will be for next years game…"its an home console game, but you can't play it online with other".

                                      Follow this guy on twitter he is posting extra info:

                                      https://twitter.com/ynakamura56

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                                        @GetsugaZoro:

                                        Pokemon CEO: Next year’s game (second half 2019) will be brand new game. So not like an upgrade of LGP/LGE Pokemon twitter confirms the new pokemon

                                        No online features, that will be for next years game…"its an home console game, but you can play it online with other"

                                        Follow this guy on twitter he is posting extra info:

                                        https://twitter.com/ynakamura56

                                        He said that wild pokemon battles don't even exist in this game and there goes any chance of me playing these down the gutter.

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                                          Good lord. It looks even worse than I imagined… It doesn't even look as good as Generation VII, it looks like Generation VI in HD.

                                          Remember when people were telling us not to worry about GO integration, that it would most likely be just for throwing the PokeBalls? It's actually just as a lot of us were fearing. Wow... Just wow...

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                                            Also no online play… What the hell are they thinking? You can casualize things and still leave in what will make them appealing to your hardcore fans. Christ.

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                                              One completely new Pokemon will be in the game, and I think it's a new eeveelution.

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                                                Somehow, this reminds me of E3 2008. The only difference is that there is hope for the future because this isn't THE Core RPG they announced last E3. Still… It's disheartening. Pokemon is already very 'casual'. It doesn't really need this. The option to throw a Pokeball like in GO but keep everything else the same would have sufficed.

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                                                  I can see where they are hoping to make a game easily translatable from a kid who maybe has only played Go. It's a smart move, but really unattractive to their core audience. I guess we'll see how they do. I'm sure they'll still sell a lot of copies.

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                                                    Are y'all somehow failing to grasp or just forgetting that Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee aren't part of the core series? They're fun little hybrids meant to entice GO players and hold us off until the real heavy-hitting core titles hit next year. You shouldn't be trying to judge them by the same standards or expectations as those core games.

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                                                      @Kaboom:

                                                      Are y'all somehow failing to grasp or just forgetting that Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee aren't part of the core series? They're fun little hybrids meant to entice GO players and hold us off until the real heavy-hitting core titles hit next year. Stop trying to judge them by the same standards or expectations as those core games.

                                                      This is the first big Pokemon game on Switch and the leaks didn't make it seem as bad as it is, plus most of them pointed to the games as the next core ones in the series. It's clear that isn't the case now, but even before the q and a section, it still seemed like games that could be attractive to fans that were ok with another Kanto remake. And then during the q and a began a descent into the truth about the game. That it was truly lacking the core of what the main games are about, though the trailer didn't spell that out. The internet learned that there wouldn't be wild pokemon battles, there would be no online features, and there would only be the original 151+1 and alolan pokemon, all within about 20 minutes. I think the response, here at least, has been reasonable.

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                                                        …... uuuuugh.....

                                                        I AM happy that it at least appears this is a spinoff. That this doesn't count as Gen 8 or even an entry in the "Core" series. The only thing I'm worried about now is how much of the design sensibilities from this one will bleed over into Gen 8.

                                                        I'm overall ok with a lot of this, but the lack of random encounters and the lack of wild Pokemon battles upsets me.

                                                        I just want someone to come out and say "Don't worry, that stuff will be back in the 'core' game coming next year".

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                                                          Just the fact that they made a point of mentioning the Gen 8 games for next year calms my fears. These are just spinoffs, so do with them what you want lol. I maintain they'll never seriously alter the core mechanics of the mainline Pokemon games. Too much at stake there. Until I hear anything disturbing about Gen 8 I don't mind.

                                                          I'm seeing a lot of Go players excited about this so mission accomplished I guess.

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                                                            Damn. It sucks because a part of me really does want to get the Pokeball controller and everything and enjoy it, but part of me doesn't want to reward Gamefreak and Nintendo for abandoning such a core aspect of the feature because of the bump Pokemon Go provided for a few months 2 years ago.

                                                            And I'm somebody that plays Pokemon Go every single day. I will admit, they've been more on top of their shit since they began quests (glad I got a Mew!) and yet still maintains the regular bullshit in the game as more features revolve around teaming up with others when the game's audience is not that peak amount of players in it's infancy that Niantic believes it still has.

                                                            I play it every day -despite all the dumb aspects of it- but don't reward Niantic for their awful attempt of "pay-to-play" and horrible EX raid systems, and the raids in general. But after the first few months in which I had put a few dollars of my own money for currency in the game, I stopped because I didn't want to keep feeding into a company that continued to half ass it. Nearly 3 years after the trailer for it that aired with Trainer Vs Trainer battling as a major mechanic -in addition to a pokemon tracker that measured in EXACT METERS-, none of those features were brought to the game. They ditched the tracker for the most part all together after 2 months when they realized it was crashing the games too much. And that wasn't even as accurate as the one in the trailer.

                                                            So I'm extremely wary about these games being THIS close to "GO". This just adds to my major complaint of the main games over the last few years, that they're dumbing them down further and further to appease a broader audience. From Gen 6 and onward, the games have held your hand every step of the way. Remember when there was actual REQUIREMENTS to get the EXP share? One that was much less useful than the one given now at the beginning of games. Kalos gives you a starter AND a Kanto starter(can't forget to appease those Gen 1 fans). Oh want a cool Mega Evolution because this game wasn't easy enough to roll through? Take my Lucario. Please.
                                                            Still not as bad as ORAS though. 5 badges in and you're giving me a mega Legendary in this remake that you couldn't get until the end of the original game. And weaker than this one. Are people actually complaining about the difficulty of these games? Same goes for most of Gen 7, in addition to the further Gen 1 wank. And i don't know if they've done the research and believe that these attempts to pull a more casual/nostalgic audience in is worth whatever percentage of the existing customers that sit this one out. But stripping away the wild pokemon battles to simply maintain the familiarity of "Go"'s capture style is really, really stupid.

                                                            As I said, despite all the dumb aspects of it, I still play Pokemon Go because it's on my phone I'm constantly using for school and work, I walk a lot so it gives me progress in the game for doing something I'm already doing, and because I had been close to finishing the Kanto Pokedex before I stopped playing 6 months after it began. As of yesterday, I'm only missing Mr Mime, Kangheskan, Mewtwo(beat it in a raid, used every ball and it wouldn't stay in) and Arcticuno which will be out on friday.

                                                            So in retrospect, kind of sucks I spent the time to finish the dex when this game -that trades with Go- will let you catch them without having to travel.

                                                            To hammer home the point that Gamefreak is dumbing down these games and trying to just appease to the broadest base, they're only including the first 151(plus a new one).

                                                            This literally ONLY appeals to people that recognize the original Pokemon and are willing to take a chance on this Switch Game because it looks new, but familiar. This isn't designed towards new younger fans, as they just released USUM. They have an anime airing with Alolan Pokemon. Pokemon Go has released the majority of Hoenn Pokemon at this point, with Alolan forms coming currently. And they've maintained a healthy balance (more or less) of rotating Pokemon of the 3 generations you can find in the wild. It just feels like the "Lets GO" games are so half assed by using the most common and overexposed Pokemon the franchise as their big leap into this console.

                                                            It does also raise the question of the balancing for a game like Pokemon Go. The trailer seems to imply it's a straightforward transfer between your Pokemon Go account and the Switch game. If this is the case, and it's not a trade, theoretically somebody can just be staying home catching thousands of pidgeys to transfer over and evolve in mass to level up. And if it's trade based(meaning it will only be Gen 1 for Gen 1) it kind of defeats the purpose of the special limited events Go is known for doing to require Pokemon not normally available in an area.

                                                            Unless some other news changes my opinion on these games, these might be the first Pokemon games i've ever sat out on. I'm still getting a Switch for the One Piece World Seeker game, but I'm sure at some point I'll get the Pokemon Lets Go's. But I just feel like this is Gamefreak's official endorsement of Niantic's policy of half assing it to the extreme.

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                                                              Things I like: seeing the pokemon on the overworld. This includes following pokemon.
                                                              Stylization is really cute.
                                                              Possibility of new Eeveelution (not holding my breath)

                                                              Don't like: no battling wild pokemon. Incorporating the battle mechanic woth Go's capture mechanic seems like such a natural progression of the brand. This is just simplifying for the sake of simplifying. Will we just have to capture hundreds of the same pokemon to level it up? Do levels not matter?

                                                              My enthusisasm for this game plummetted.

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                                                                @Md-Martin:

                                                                It does also raise the question of the balancing for a game like Pokemon Go. The trailer seems to imply it's a straightforward transfer between your Pokemon Go account and the Switch game. If this is the case, and it's not a trade, theoretically somebody can just be staying home catching thousands of pidgeys to transfer over and evolve in mass to level up. And if it's trade based(meaning it will only be Gen 1 for Gen 1) it kind of defeats the purpose of the special limited events Go is known for doing to require Pokemon not normally available in an area.

                                                                I thought the same thing at first (especially with the regionals in Go, but then the only Gen 1 regional I'm missing in Go is Mr. Mime), but I don't think you can transfer Pokemon from Go to Let's Go. You transfer over "presents" to Go. So I'm thinking it'll probably work sort of like the research rewards (which does include Pokemon encounters). And then whatever the new Pokemon is will no doubt be added to Go and only be available from Let's Go.

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                                                                  Only thing that actually bothers me is the "CP" being shown. That system is too simple.

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                                                                  Other bothersome thing, Eevee now "speaks" like pikachu. It took a lot of me to accept pikachu saying it's name like the anime, as in marketing wise it doesn't make sense, but the slow but inevitable change is going to come? Or is it just for mascots?

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                                                                    Wow… there wasn't a single second in that trailer that had me feeling like "I want to play this game".

                                                                    @Envy:

                                                                    Remember when people were telling us not to worry about GO integration, that it would most likely be just for throwing the PokeBalls? It's actually just as a lot of us were fearing. Wow… Just wow...

                                                                    It's just a spin-off. Like Mystery Dungeon, like Detective Pikachu, Rumble, Pokkén, Stadium, Pinball, etc. You people were freaking out like they were changing the core games so now its fighting style would be the same as Go.

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                                                                      Wow… there wasn't a single second in that trailer that had me feeling like "I want to play this game".

                                                                      It's just a spin-off. Like Mystery Dungeon, like Detective Pikachu, Rumble, Pokkén, Stadium, Pinball, etc. You people were freaking out like they were changing the core games so now its fighting style would be the same as Go.

                                                                      It's definitely not the next core mainline games, but I wouldn't call it a spinoff, either. According to Joe Merrick aka Serebii:

                                                                      "Also for the record. Ishihara states in the presentation that these are mainline titles. They are not spin-offs."

                                                                      I guess take that as you will.

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                                                                        I'm not sure how Go mechanics even work? CP is…....what, exactly? The mon's strength?

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                                                                          It's an agregated number of the attack, defense and stamina of the mon, where stamina is total hp:

                                                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4t7r4d/exact_pokemon_cp_formula/

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                                                                            @andre:

                                                                            It's definitely not the next core mainline games, but I wouldn't call it a spinoff, either. According to Joe Merrick aka Serebii:

                                                                            "Also for the record. Ishihara states in the presentation that these are mainline titles. They are not spin-offs."

                                                                            I guess take that as you will.

                                                                            Well, that's a really weird way of seeing things. I can't see a middle ground, to be honest, if it isn't one of the core games, it is a spin-off. I can't see how this one can be seen as a "mainline title", unless they have a broader view of what that means than I do.

                                                                            That said, with a new pokémon being introduced in those games it is pretty much a given we are getting Gen VIII next year, so I suppose I will only bother in 2019.

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                                                                              Think of it like final fantasy x-2, clearly more mainline than theatyrim or dissidia.

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                                                                                We still get EXP from capturing Pokemon even though we don't fight them, also from Serebii:

                                                                                When asking about EV training Pokémon, IGN reveals that the team wanted to simplify things with how you level up, raise & train your Pokémon, stating more details will come at a later date

                                                                                I've seen people asking for them to get rid of IVs some times, but not EVs, I wonder if this is just for this game or if they stick to it with Gen 8

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                                                                                  @maxterdexter:

                                                                                  Think of it like final fantasy x-2, clearly more mainline than theatyrim or dissidia.

                                                                                  I get it now. I don't know if it was worthy of being reminded of X-2, but I got it…

                                                                                  Anyways, I have two friends who like pokémon but are normies (one only played Go of all Pokémon games, the other bought a 3DS to play Moon but hadn't played since Gen II before that). Both were completely hyped with the trailer! The first (who already has a Switch) saying it will be a day one purchase and the second one already admiting he will buy a Switch to play Let's Go!.
                                                                                  Even though I like Gen 1 (my fav is from it, afterall), I can't for the love of me pay a cent to play a game with only the original 151 at this point, but it is pretty clear to me that it's Gen 1 that pleases most of the people (gamers who are not hardcore pokémon fans), so Gen I pandering seems like a given to me... wish people would simply accept that instead of being annoyed every time it happens - and let's face it, it will not end with Let's Go.

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                                                                                    It's just a spin-off. Like Mystery Dungeon, like Detective Pikachu, Rumble, Pokkén, Stadium, Pinball, etc. You people were freaking out like they were changing the core games so now its fighting style would be the same as Go.

                                                                                    It's more like a mainline spin-off. I know that makes no sense, but you could see it possibly more like the 3D Mario series where there are games like 3D World, and then there are games like Odyssey. The thing with having this kind of split is that… Companies don't always exactly understand where the split should lay, and aren't always honest about it, either. Hence the 3D Mario series. When 3D World was released, Galaxy was considered a follow-up to 64 and Sunshine with 3D Land/World being something different with linear level designs, but in reality both 3D Land/World and Galaxy had linear level designs. It was very concerning to me, to the point that I thought something like Odyssey would never even happen, and we had every reason to believe that.

                                                                                    Not to get off-topic here, though. I will take GF for their word when they say that the 2019 games will be like pre-LGP/E games, for now. However, the fact of the matter is that several pages back some people were posting concern about Pokemon GO influencing LGP/E even further than just throwing Pokeballs like in Pokemon GO, and they were pretty much shut down. Yet their concerns actually became true. I was, personally, more in line with the people thinking that it would just be a simple option to throw Pokeballs like in Pokemon GO, but I had some concerns.

                                                                                    Regardless of where these games stand in the mainline series, they exist, and they almost entirely take the form of previous mainline Pokemon games, and thus I can't help but want to be drawn to them because they have so much of what I like, but then feel a bit burned when I see that the wild Pokemon encounter system is just like Pokemon GO's. It's a weird feeling, I do have to say. Either way, they look like a cheap cash-in, and I'm just incredibly disappointed. Even if they wanted to pull in the GO crowd, they still could have been a bit more ambitious than just remaking Kanto to look like a Generation VI game. It's just so… been there done that. There is nothing inspired about this game at all. It is a shame.

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                                                                                      Pokemon go has IVs, only to 15 and as it has just 3 stats, that reduces variance a lot, but I've seen 60+ years old talk about them.

                                                                                      But then again, making competitive only to lvl50 effectivelly cut the variance of IVs by half, as a 0 spd or 1 spd have the same final speed, granted everything else is the same.

                                                                                      I'm sure I'm not counting or double counting the zero in one of these examples.

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                                                                                        @Envy:

                                                                                        It's more like a mainline spin-off. I know that makes no sense, but you could see it possibly more like the 3D Mario series where there are games like 3D World, and then there are games like Odyssey. The thing with having this kind of split is that… Companies don't always exactly understand where the split should lay, and aren't always honest about it, either. Hence the 3D Mario series. When 3D World was released, Galaxy was considered a follow-up to 64 and Sunshine with 3D Land/World being something different with linear level designs, but in reality both 3D Land/World and Galaxy had linear level designs. It was very concerning to me, to the point that I thought something like Odyssey would never even happen, and we had every reason to believe that.

                                                                                        Not to get off-topic here, though. I will take GF for their word when they say that the 2019 games will be like pre-LGP/E games, for now. However, the fact of the matter is that several pages back some people were posting concern about Pokemon GO influencing LGP/E even further than just throwing Pokeballs like in Pokemon GO, and they were pretty much shut down. Yet their concerns actually became true. I was, personally, more in line with the people thinking that it would just be a simple option to throw Pokeballs like in Pokemon GO, but I had some concerns.

                                                                                        Regardless of where these games stand in the mainline series, they exist, and they almost entirely take the form of previous mainline Pokemon games, and thus I can't help but want to be drawn to them because they have so much of what I like, but then feel a bit burned when I see that the wild Pokemon encounter system is just like Pokemon GO's. It's a weird feeling, I do have to say. Either way, they look like a cheap cash-in, and I'm just incredibly disappointed. Even if they wanted to pull in the GO crowd, they still could have been a bit more ambitious than just remaking Kanto to look like a Generation VI game. It's just so… been there done that. There is nothing inspired about this game at all. It is a shame.

                                                                                        That's it right there. It just reeks of a cash-grab for millenials that stopped playing after gen 1 and only jumped back in for Pokemon Go. Why not put in some incentive for the fans that have stuck with the games for this 20th anniversary to get these games, too? Hell, an expanded Kanto with just a choice of different Pokemon from the other gens would have been enough for me. (along with actually being able to battle them, that Go catching crap will never, ever do it) Looking forward to 2019, though! I hope it's better than the last two gens and a return to form and even if it's about the same quality, I'll feel ok.

                                                                                        The one group of people who I really feel bad for are the Gen IV fans who were hoping for remakes though. Who knows how long that's going to take now? And the chances that it's similar to Let's Go would be devastating.

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                                                                                          It's cynical, but it makes perfect sense to target the Go crowd. Go still has a massive player base and they have every reason to want to try and convert some of those players to the main series. I'm just relieved that this Go integration is contained within a spinoff/sub-mainline/whatever the hell you want to call it rather than the actual Gen 8 titles. Again, I have zero concern until I see something disturbing about the actual next mainline games. The Gen 8 games are coming out next year, right on schedule for the usual generational cycle, and so long as I don't see any of this watered down crap in there they can do what they want.

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                                                                                            Wow, my hope to play Pokemon again this year just dropped to the abyss.
                                                                                            I didn´t want a glorified Pokemon Go version, but that´s all they give us…damn.
                                                                                            Also just the original Pokemon...iam a gen1 dude, but that just sucks, would have loved to discover all the new Pokemon i missed in the last years and build a team out of it...but not even being able to roam freely around and catch wild Pokemon...lol, this game is the opposite i hoped for.

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                                                                                              The game is a glorified Pokemon Go version because the capturing is the same?

                                                                                              Well seems the Pokemon Go/Casual crowd is eating it up pretty well, so their idea seems to be an hit, I only have twitter as far as social media, but just from it I see a lot of support.

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                                                                                                I've seen people asking for them to get rid of IVs some times, but not EVs, I wonder if this is just for this game or if they stick to it with Gen 8

                                                                                                The problem with IV's is simple. They are a fantastic element to the game. They make every critter you capture unique and different, and then the personalities and battles you have along the way make it truly your own in an organic way.

                                                                                                The issue is, people figured out what they all meant, and how to manipulate them, and in the most recent gens they even gave you training equipment. So instead of being a system to give you a unique personal monster, it's just a matter of endless breeding and min-max training now. And that just kind of sucks.

                                                                                                Sure the customization in stats is nice but… it reeeeally just takes the journey out of it and makes it into a puppy mill.

                                                                                                So at this point, really, they either should take out the system and just have every version of a monster get the same stats and same static gains.... which is boring but the ultimate result.... or re-lock those attributes in a way they can't be bred or trained for, and go back to the only way of getting perfect mons being to hack the game. I think people would be upset after they introduced the training element though?

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                                                                                                  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B5epMdm1Wcvh33qFABpw-SO76uZt6WNSl0UsD5yq_dI/htmlview?sle=true#

                                                                                                  So, who wants gen2 pre-release data???

                                                                                                  Click on the pokemon tab, and jump to chikorita to see the surprises.

                                                                                                  ! –- Update From New Post Merge ---
                                                                                                  ! So, we originally were supposed to get a TON of babies. While I would have liked baby Vulpix, I'd rather stay in this less baby filled pokedex.
                                                                                                  ! Baby Ponyta, Vulpix, Grimmer, Goldeen, Doduo, Growlithe, Meowth, Tangela, Paras
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                                                                                                  ! Other interesting stuff:
                                                                                                  ! There was a Farfetch'd evolution, now shut up.
                                                                                                  ! A Ditto evolution, using the metal coat but without a type change.
                                                                                                  ! A branching Weepingbell evolution to complement Gloom into Bellosom.
                                                                                                  ! A discarded Qwilfish evolution.
                                                                                                  ! The Slowking's turbant as a standalone mon
                                                                                                  ! Porigon2 with a wildly different style
                                                                                                  ! Some of the gen4 evolutions are here, proto- Tangrowth, Leafeon, Mime Jr, Licky-Licky..
                                                                                                  ! The Noctowl line was supposed to be pure flying
                                                                                                  ! If I'm getting this right, Alolan Meowth was supposed to branch evolution from baby-meoth for females only.
                                                                                                  ! So, type combinations that we don't have yet: none, but we would have gotten way earlier:
                                                                                                  Steel/Water from a deep sea fish/anchor themed line
                                                                                                  Dark/Normal from girafarig, and possibly it's deleted prevolution
                                                                                                  Fire/Water from a weird fire juggling standalone seal
                                                                                                  ! Suicune looked like Chimera Nina with Panpour's hair, shesh. The other beast also looked very un-legendary.
                                                                                                  ! The original fire starter was a bear (that would have killed the damned zodiac theory at least, untill they started to claim that "a bear is a type of dog!") and the water starter a more animalistic popplio line.

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                                                                                                    Thank you, dexter!

                                                                                                    -Man, they really put a lot of work on those sprites between the demo and final versions. Bulbasaur demo sprite looked hella cute, though.
                                                                                                    -I may like Demo Pichu, Cleffa, Phanpy, Smoochum and Murkrow more than the final ones.
                                                                                                    -WTF was going on with Bayleaf?
                                                                                                    -I hope that fire bear starter comes back at some point. The final evolution looked amazing.
                                                                                                    -Noctowl's original design… I can't tell how much I hate that they didn't used it for Decidueye. Look at that... it would have been perfect.
                                                                                                    -Mantine originally seemed to be a blue sea slug or is just me?
                                                                                                    -I wished Mega Sharpedo had gotten that anchor for a tail since this Ikari thing clearly became Sharpedo on Gen III.
                                                                                                    -A lot of babies I feel like… whatever, but Doduo's baby is. just. perfection!

                                                                                                    • Umbreon was supposed to be POISON! I am heartbroken now. I suppose this explains its dex entry, but I just realized how much I would have liked Umbreon as the poison eeveelution (one of the five things I am looking for the most as far as new pokémon go)

                                                                                                    Seeing how Leafeon, Tangrowth and Lickilicky were already there... who knows? Maybe some day one of those discarded critters may join the games

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                                                                                                      About the anchor fish, we got the sharpedo line, the lanturn line, the clamperl line and dhelmise, I think that we are through with anchors and anglerfishes for a while.

                                                                                                      Oh, and I missed completelly Poison Umbreon, I was just looking for unusual combos, so single poison was completelly ignorable.

                                                                                                      I want the werewolf/yeti thingie, even if it was repurposed to the swinub line or the abmomansnow line.

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