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      @Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

      At this point I really think Oda will have to make Uta a cannon character. Her popularity here right now is insane for a movie character.

      If what I found on what Oda said in the Film Commentary is true, he is very fond of her as well.

      It's all about trying/figuring a way to introduce her, I would guess.

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        Actually, I don't think this is quite right.

        The narrator said Kaido was defeated 'seven times as a pirate', but when he showed up on Fullalead at Age 15, he was asked to 'become a pirate'.

        Kaido wasn't a pirate until joining Rocks at age 15. He was frequently intentionally captured and escaped before joining Rocks.

        Kaido was defeated 7 times, but captured 18 times. It doesn't perfectly match up.

        I think there's still more to his story.

        Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

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          So yeah, audio commentary reveals everything I've suggested.
          -Uta confirmed in 1055 so her existence is now canon, as expected.
          -Her status at the end is still unknown, as expected.
          -The director didn't want to make it a multiverse film so they tried to make it non-multiverse (and failed, unless it happens after Egghead) but he overstepped his boundaries by saying it was canon and admits that, that the only person who can decide the movie's canon nature is Oda....as expected.

          Uta is canon and can easily show up if/when Oda wants and ignore the events of the film without disavowing them (ie. a text bubble-free panel of a reuniting OR just ignoring talk about the film's events). RED? Probably not canon but if it is, look for it to happen after Egghead.

          No matter where you go, there you are.

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            Not surprised to see her become a canon character. As far as the movie goes one solution might be to take it as an alternative portrayal of events that took (or will take) place in the canon story. Luckily we have a precedent of this with the Chopper movie. The only difference being that we have no canon source material (yet).

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              I like that idea, but I'm not sure this story would fit in any future arc if Oda wants to finish One Piece in this decade. Egghead seems to be the arc where lots of stuff will get revealed and explained but I'm sure this is only going to lead to more questions and mysteries about the government, the ancient kingdom, the Revolutionary and the worst gen left overs.

              I do wonder if we are going to see Urouge again, and if so where? Could he somehow be connected to Black Beard?
              I would love the idea if Skypians, Shandians and Birkans are somehow related to Lunarians. They have wings so they should be related to them, though there's a color mismatch between them and they have no flames.
              Come to think of it, does the world government know of those Sky people? Cause we've never seen one part of the marines or the CP agents. The only prominent one is Urouge and he's currently MIA.

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                @Ivotas Uta the same as shiki she's cannon but the movie isn't

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                  What franchise has actually had events in a film be 'canon' outside of manga adaptations? I'm genuinely asking because I haven't read many mangas, and I don't know of any films that are 'canon' outside of manga adaptions.

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                    @danie My Hero Academia's and Inuyasha's movies come to mind.

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                      @andre Events in an anime film are essential to understanding the events in the manga, or are at least mentioned in it? That's what I mean by 'canon'.

                      If events in an anime film are not essential to the events in the manga, or even mentioned in it, so what if they call it "canon".

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                        Since we're getting closer and closer to the moon, a solid choice for Urouge to enter in a meaningful way would be for Urouge to enter when there's a level of altitude required in story progression.

                        Egghead is a strong candidate for moon-related hi-jinks and in that nature, anything related to going up...or down. Elbaf also works to that end given the size of the trees, but we'll have to see how Oda wants to proceed.

                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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                          @danie said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                          What franchise has actually had events in a film be 'canon' outside of manga adaptations? I'm genuinely asking because I haven't read many mangas, and I don't know of any films that are 'canon' outside of manga adaptions.

                          MHA seems to all fit pretty well. Naruto's movie where he hooks up with Hinata seems to fit. All the Takehashi films for Lum and Ranma and Inu Yasha and Maison Ikkoku fit just fine. Detective Conan and Cardcaptor Sakura. The Fullmetal ALchemist movie was terrible but it was post-series so it fit. Captain Harlock films work super well. I think all the Sailor Moon films work, though the one with the tree alien is really wierd overlap with the filler arc with identical tree aliens.

                          Those make the choice of not using anything from a current arc until the arc is done, or being set post-series so no random continuity exceptions come up.

                          I don't think any of the Yugioh filmms work because Pegasus is alive in those but I'm not sure if he actually died in the anime or not since we just got the censored dub, or if that was just in the manga.

                          Like film Red could almost fit... but then there's a couple characters in it that just shouldn't be around post-Wano but there was no way to know that until Oda finished the arc. And it can't be pre-Wano because the Wano crew isn't there and gear 5 is in it.

                          Strong World almost fits except it has stuff from right before the time skip but the crew is still together.

                          Ironically, the earlier OP movies all fit better because arcs were shorter then and they... could wait till an arc was done and just say "this event happened while travelling to the next thing" usually given a firm timeline spot in the end credits showing them meeting the next crew member.

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                            @Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                            That's an interesting question. It's easy to dsmiss as 'it's part of (spoiler)! Hya-herp!' but on a certain level, if we're to believe that inanimave objects can be inhabited by forms of life then it stands to reason, those lifeforms would also be pulled in as-is.

                            I think...they just wanted to have fun neutering the crew but it's entirely possible that Oda could weave that into the story.

                            Thanks for addressing this! I found it strange how Sunny-kun just appeared at the harbor in the dream world — now that I’ve seen the film twice, I feel a tad more strongly about it.

                            Also — is the Sing Sing Fruit also a Mythical Zoan fruit for Tot Musica?

                            Kizaru mentions “the world turning upside down” when the dream world begins to merge with the real one — and the Tot Musica score had a strange Jolly Roger atop it. I wonder how old the score was… and if it has any relation to “D.”

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                              Don’t know if I asked this, but you think with Tot Musica and Shanks mentioning Sea Devil/Devils that Devils/Demons are really things in OP?

                              Or are they weird byproducts of the Void Century/what ever crated the Devil Fruits?

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                                @Robby said in [Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course

                                I don't think any of the Yugioh filmms work because Pegasus is alive in those but I'm not sure if he actually died in the anime or not since we just got the censored dub, or if that was just in the manga.

                                The Dark Side of Dimensions actually does fit with the post-manga, given that it was written by Takahashi himself as such a purpose. Besides Pegasus being dead, Kaiba not witnessing the final duel between Yugi and Atem, is a main plot point if I recall.

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                                  I think Uta will probably go the way of Shiki where she makes cameos in the main manga or in silhouette but never actually shows up for any major roles or arcs. Like maybe we'll see an Uta poster or a cameo in the Shanks flashback but nothing substantial.

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                                    If there’s a Strong Strong Fruit can there also be a Fast Fast Fruit?

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                                      @Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                                      If there’s a Strong Strong Fruit can there also be a Fast Fast Fruit?

                                      Yeah, but turns out it's actuallly the mythical zoan hedgehog hedgehog no mi: model blue

                                      ( I laughted way too much at my own joke )

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                                        @Shiebs At least in the US, the songs were released on Apple Music and Spotify

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                                          @Greg now with the confirmation from the SBS that the Vinsmokes siblings could use their powers without the suit brings me back to the old question. Could Sanji go invisible without at as well? If yes, what use the raid suit has to enhance that ability? Or has Sanji another power and only the suit brings the invisibility? Fire doesn't seem to work well with invisibility after all.

                                          Bonus. If they could use their powers without raid suits why haven't they used it to escape at WCI after being trapped by Big Mom pirates. They even called themselves useless without the suits

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                                            This kind of answers both questions but suits are said to enhance whatever they were engineered for so while they might be able to handle a bit of their speciality, being disabled at the wedding still fits. Ichiji may have been able to attempt a melt but we don't know if they need to be able to take a stance, whether the binds were constantly being reinforced, whether Ichiji inherently sucked at suitless power compared to say, Niji, etc. While it's possible to look at as a plothole, it's equally possible to make unexplored explanations for.

                                            As for Sanji's power, we may never know to what extent his place as a 'failure' left him different from his siblings. To that end, we don't even know for absolutely certain whether the fire thing is engineering or potential Lunarian heritage. Again, plenty of chances to assume points were added as Oda went along, but there is still plenty of wiggle room for explanations and there always will be even after the conclusion unless Sanji is specifically explained in detail. That may or may not happen but it also doesn't seem to be exclusively Sanji, Oda even strongly hesitates to explain Zoro's exact origins or every single detail of his strength as well aside from, he had strong ancestors.

                                            No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                              I’m wondering how Pekoms and Perona are going to come back into the story?

                                              Gecko Moria also, did BB kill him? Would he actually ally himself with someone who killed one of his comrades?

                                              Also Greg do you think Lucci and the rest of CP9 are the villains in this arc or will someone else show up?

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                                                @Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

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                                                This kind of answers both questions but suits are said to enhance whatever they were engineered for so while they might be able to handle a bit of their speciality, being disabled at the wedding still fits. Ichiji may have been able to attempt a melt but we don't know if they need to be able to take a stance, whether the binds were constantly being reinforced, whether Ichiji inherently sucked at suitless power compared to say, Niji, etc. While it's possible to look at as a plothole, it's equally possible to make unexplored explanations for.

                                                As for Sanji's power, we may never know to what extent his place as a 'failure' left him different from his siblings. To that end, we don't even know for absolutely certain whether the fire thing is engineering or potential Lunarian heritage. Again, plenty of chances to assume points were added as Oda went along, but there is still plenty of wiggle room for explanations and there always will be even after the conclusion unless Sanji is specifically explained in detail. That may or may not happen but it also doesn't seem to be exclusively Sanji, Oda even strongly hesitates to explain Zoro's exact origins or every single detail of his strength as well aside from, he had strong ancestors.

                                                Thanks for the answer Greg and I doubt we will get more about story about the Sanji powers. Only thing I know is that if fire would be a Judge powers it would make no sense with a stealth suit

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                                                  I actually expect the flame stuff to be addressed. Not sure about the rest.

                                                  Definitely dont think CP-0 will be main antagonists. I dunno if I said it here, but I expect some of Rocks' crew to be with-held in the facility and for things to go....horribly wrong.

                                                  No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                    Greg has another Twitter thread about the moon lunarians and winged people up.

                                                    https://twitter.com/ochimusha108/status/1592092536046161920?s=61&t=V9EMtYXJ2rp6j-lcWZroeg

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                                                    Winged people were racists and banished the lunarians to the surface, also something about the war faction and reasons for it.

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                                                      Wow I never noticed that one moon being with only half it's head seen in that one mural. The moon, alien, space and ancient peoples stuff was always one of the most fun aspects about the series to me.

                                                      Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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                                                        Add Greg to the side of being a fan of the 1066 reveal: https://twitter.com/ochimusha108/status/1592308593633923072

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                                                          @Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                                                          I actually expect the flame stuff to be addressed. Not sure about the rest.

                                                          Definitely dont think CP-0 will be main antagonists. I dunno if I said it here, but I expect some of Rocks' crew to be with-held in the facility and for things to go....horribly wrong.

                                                          Oh man, this would be awesome! Which members do you expect? Wang Zhi and Silver Axe? Maybe Rocks himself? New members we don’t know of?

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                                                            @Shiebs Well, we know Wang Zhi/Ochoku was the previous ruler of Hachinosu, but got ousted by Blackbeard. Now what happened to him after that, who can say?

                                                            Silver Axe...I have a hunch he's a Elbaf giant.

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                                                              @Johnny-B-Decent that’s a good point, I wonder if we’ll ever get to see what happened during the Rocky Port incident

                                                              It seems really weird there’s this big earth shattering moment in One Piece and with multiple characters we know of and yet we never get to see it

                                                              To be honest hearing that Black Beard took that territory from Wang Zhi makes me only want to meet him even more

                                                              Especially because it sounds like it took a lot of effort on BB’s part and he’s a freaking Yonko

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                                                                Greg, do tell me if I'm overstepping but,

                                                                if you happen to have a chat with the man recently, how giddy is Oda these days? xD

                                                                I'm loving the new chapters for all the reasons but my favorite part has been the backdrop.
                                                                Not only it's the introduction of a character long announced and it's the confirmation that the Ancient Kingdom was a sort of Atlantis, but that ancient robot was something taken straight up from a Toriyama page, much more than any other robot Oda has drawn in the series.
                                                                I imagine went to get his old notebooks for that design.

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                                                                    Greg if the Straw Hats find a way to save Kuma, what do you think he’ll do after they leave? Will he rejoin the revolutionaries? Go back to his kingdom? Travel with Bonney?

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                                                                      @andre said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                                                                      Add Greg to the side of being a fan of the 1066 reveal: https://twitter.com/ochimusha108/status/1592308593633923072

                                                                      Curious about what Greg said regarding Brook's captain. Is that the theory about his captain being the one who visited Crocus in the cover? Or some other theory of sorts?

                                                                      predictions:

                                                                      mermaid princess for new nakama , next arc after FI island is Elbaf , giant for next nakama (i just want a giant on the crew, but less likely?)![](images/smilies/ipb/cool.png "Cool")

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                                                                        @Greg what's your thoughts on Garp being the leader of sword? With Koby and helmeppo being part of sword Garp must have some kind of connection to sword.

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                                                                          @Dofla-Pirata All I remember was general confusion that people were coming up with a bunch of theories about it because he had just assumed it was Yorki. This was some years ago.

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                                                                            Greg what do you think about Vegapunk asking Luffy to take him away? And if he does what happens to the other six Vegapunk’s? And where do you think Kuma’s story is going? And when will the Straw Hats meet the Revolutionaries? Also what do you think Vegapunk has for Bonney? And is Sentomaru going to appear soon? He is Vegapunk’s bodyguard right?

                                                                            Sorry I just have a lot of questions and it’s a break week 😞

                                                                            Also if I can ask one more question, I know I ask a lot, why do you think Oda had Yamato find out Luffy’s real dream if he wasn’t going to join the strawhats?

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                                                                              @Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                                                                              Also if I can ask one more question, I know I ask a lot, why do you think Oda had Yamato find out Luffy’s real dream if he wasn’t going to join the strawhats?

                                                                              Oda was trying to set it up clearly as a thread the audience needed to be curious about. Us super hardcore forum dwellers had realized that was a question years ago, but causal readers would have had no idea at all. And doing it in chapter 1000 , the most hyped most seen chapter in a long time?

                                                                              That seems the most obvious and cleanest reason.

                                                                              After that its pure speculation on how sincere he was at any given point about Yamato joining. If that was just a red herring or if he changed his mind, who knows?

                                                                              If he DID intend for Yamato to join but then changed his mind, film red and his 3 year goal could both be reasons. Or for plot reasons Wano is going to be attacked soon (a year from now) and... Or he never intended Yams to join and that was just a way of playing with the audience, like giving Kinemon a fruit that fit "the pattern." but if thats the case I feel like he might have red herringed too hard.

                                                                              We'll probably not know until we see Yamato again and what the story events are around that but I think "wants to be done in three years" will be at least a answer to a LOT of questions in the near future.

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                                                                                Yes. I'd say majority introducing to casual (aka main target) fans and the rest is in there as well. I approve the Robby resp. in full.

                                                                                No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                  @Greg you said that Oda sees Yamato in a similar light as Vivi though right?

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                                                                                    So, @Greg, we've seen guardsmen at Mary Geoise dressed in armor and armed with spears. So, surely, these must be connected to the "Knights of God" brought up at the end of Wano, right? However, CP0 is also a security force for the World Nobles as well. Would it be fair to say that Knights of God be the World Nobles' private army and CP0 their spies and assassins? Or are both groups parts of a same organization?

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                                                                                      New column by Greg.
                                                                                      https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20221129_1303.html?l=en

                                                                                      TL,DR, some bits about Vegapunk names relating to the moon and where Oda might have gotten the inspiration for Daft punk, sorry I mean Vegapunk, some thoughts on Bonneys devil fruit and what she might be able to due.

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                                                                                        I think Greg talked about some of that Daft Punk stuff on his twitter a little bit ago. Nice to see it make it to a column.

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                                                                                          Wow, usually in columns Greg has to skirt around actual names when they're the obvious inspirations... is it because this is a real life thing as opposed to a fictional creation? Or because Interstella is "in the family"?

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                                                                                            Wow. I'm shocked that made it mostly unscathed. I'm guessing it's because the DP conjecture is likely on the mark and that the editor knows their history well enough to print it.

                                                                                            Frankly, the moment I realized the Shimizu connection I rushed to Twitter because I never dreamed they'd let me write all of that. I think the bit about 'Yolk' wasn't on Twitter since I only added that later after much deliberation.

                                                                                            What had to be cut were some conclusions I drew about Oda's relationship with DP, and the fact that Shimizu and Sakurada weren't actually Producers in the Japanese credits so I had to dance around terms despite them literally being listed as such.

                                                                                            I'm also left scratching my head regarding the Bonney stuff. This is one of those times where either I'm on point and they're trolling me by allowing it as I typed it, or I'm totally off and Nakano-san is lol-ing with this as a red herring.

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                                                                                              Greg do you think Vegapunk is really gonna travel with the Straw Hats? And if so what happens to the other six Vegapunk’s or Punkrecords? He can’t possibly travel with all of that an he?

                                                                                              I mean punkrecords is huge and couldn’t fit, and he can’t leave it for the WG can he

                                                                                              And six more people is a lot of companions

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                                                                                                Well, as a genius he might have some ideas how to put all of Punk Records into the Sunny.

                                                                                                However, if he travels and therefore collects quite a lot data, he will become too big to pass through the Sunny's doors. Regardless how smart you are, there's no solution for this.

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                                                                                                  The opposite extreme of shrinking Punk Records down could be blowing it up. Into space. Beyond the government's reach.

                                                                                                  Collecting information from everyone around the world would probably end up requiring some kind of satellite system anyway, and we are due to do moon and space stuff, so why not put the Vegaclones to work on the world's first space station?

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                                                                                                    @Captain-M I haven't thought about it that way. If something similar to it really happens, the theme Oda did with the satellites goes to another level.
                                                                                                    The brains of Vegapunk will end up on the moon and thats how Enel comes back into the story.
                                                                                                    But in all seriousness I do like the idea of Punk Records ending up in near orbit.

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                                                                                                      @The-Light-of-Shandora said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

                                                                                                      The brains of Vegapunk will end up on the moon and thats how Enel comes back into the story.
                                                                                                      Very plausible.

                                                                                                      But in all seriousness I do like the idea of Punk Records ending up in near orbit.

                                                                                                      I think your previous sentence is a more serious possibility than you realize.

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                                                                                                        I wrote out my first public thoughts on the topic and I think the post got lost when my computer decided to update while I was in class.

                                                                                                        So...cliff notes?

                                                                                                        Vp has df bc his brain will link Luffy to the world and communicate the importance of the final conflict. Vp will go with but due to his...unique circumstances, it's entirely possible that his body could die but his brain will live on, thus the importance of him being df user and not just a smart bighead.

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