Don't think anyone linked the latest column yet:
https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20210612_1233.html?l=en
The Joyboy stuff is really interesting. Both the possibilities presented have a lot of story potential.
Considering Newgate-to-Teach comment; 'Its not you Teach, 'you're not whom Roger is waiting for', AND the fact that Newgate wanted Ace especifically to become pirate king, being well aware of what Ace would have found in Laugh Tale.
I think we have a solid answer, its the D's.
This cannot be trained is a bit weird to me. You canmake it stronger by getting stronger and luffy found a technique using it that give him a huge power up.
And that technique needs to be trained as Kaidou said Luffy didn't master it.
So i donkt really see the difference with a technique you can train
What is sure, is that no training can help you acquire it
The moments it got stronger were when a lot was at stake. Can't duplicate that in training. The more situations like this arise, the stronger it gets.
If you're really a king, you can accomplish what you want. Protect your friends, treasure, and stick to your disposition no matter what's in the way.
This cannot be trained is a bit weird to me. You canmake it stronger by getting stronger and luffy found a technique using it that give him a huge power up.
And that technique needs to be trained as Kaidou said Luffy didn't master it.
So i donkt really see the difference with a technique you can train
What is sure, is that no training can help you acquire it
You just can't make CoC stronger by training the way you could with CoA and CoO. The latter work more like muscles that you can push to their limits to make them stronger (as shown in the fights against Katakuri and Big Mom in Udon respectively), while advanced CoC is more akin to martial arts techniques. You can strengthen your body/will but it won't be truly effective if your technique sucks, and you might even hurt yourself which is what I hope happened with Luffy.
Considering Newgate-to-Teach comment; 'Its not you Teach, 'you're not whom Roger is waiting for', AND the fact that Newgate wanted Ace especifically to become pirate king, being well aware of what Ace would have found in Laugh Tale.
I think we have a solid answer, its the D's.
Solid observations. The Ds are starting to look like the thing.
Hey Greg, what happens behind the scenes when we get a 15 page or shorter chapter? Is it a deadline issue? Something Jump mandates? Or does Oda just feel like he's reached a good stopping without filling those two extra pages?
Hey Greg, what happens behind the scenes when we get a 15 page or shorter chapter? Is it a deadline issue? Something Jump mandates? Or does Oda just feel like he's reached a good stopping without filling those two extra pages?
Deadline, good stopping point, Oda is only human and he slept 5 hours one night instead of 4, he might also have another project he's working on eating his time like doing 3 volume covers at the same time, or a 50+character spread for the popularity poll….
Hey Greg what did you think about Nami’s moment this chapter? It wasn’t a full fledged 2 or 3 chapter fight like I was hoping for but I was happy she at least did something? How about you? I guess her declaration that she would do something wasn’t totally in vain
Hey Greg, what would Zeus be considered as? Like a new crewmate or would he count as something different? I don't see him as a crewmember, but as Nami's weapon, but at the same time he is alive. Just curious on your thoughts.
Greg, have you ever talked to Oda about death in the manga? I know he only uses it for very specific and selective reasons, but is he aware of how the fans have reacted to the non-deaths, like Pell, Pagaya, and a few others? The Akazaya 9's seeming doom really makes me wonder what we're in store for. If the ones who appear dead don't die, no one will ever have faith in that aspect of his writing again. Is this something he's very aware of?
Greg any idea what the other two races Big Mom doesn’t have in her territory are?
Hey Greg what did you think about Nami’s moment this chapter? It wasn’t a full fledged 2 or 3 chapter fight like I was hoping for but I was happy she at least did something? How about you? I guess her declaration that she would do something wasn’t totally in vain
Looking at his twitter he really didn't like it, lol.
Hey Greg what did you think about Nami’s moment this chapter? It wasn’t a full fledged 2 or 3 chapter fight like I was hoping for but I was happy she at least did something? How about you? I guess her declaration that she would do something wasn’t totally in vain
I can answer this question for you directly from Greg's twitter 6 or so hours ago:
People complain that Nami only uses lightning after Enies Lobby…but that's what she always did. Her penultimate attack against Miss Doubledinger was lightning. She finished it with wind, but she tried that against Ulti and she easily dodged. And she finished Kalifa with lightning. Sure she used the mirage tempo, but Ulti has observation haki. She showed if off when fighting Luffy. If Nami did Mirage tempo against Ulti it would probably end like when Mr. 3 used the wax clones against Luffy. Luffy hit the real one on first try due to "instinct".
People seem to forget it was her knowledge of clouds that separated Zeus from Big Mom in the first place. Also, she used her rain to help Luffy defeat Cracker. Ulti is just faster than Miss Doublefinger and has haki unlike Kalifa. It shows why Nami has never fought or defeated a zoan. She's not a good match up against them. Now she had to deal with an ancient zoan. She has a similar movement to Paramecias which is where she shines.
I just wish Oda wasn't in a rush to end the manga, one piece could be considered a master piece before the time skip now not so much, the corners he is cutting is seriously hurting the story and it feels like his editor is not doing his job. Why waste the opportunity to write one master piece just to write more than one story. I understand that it gets boring and tiring after a while but it is just hard to see a story i love so much falling in quality.
True, Oda's in a rush, but at other points he's absolutely taking his sweet time. Random side characters and plots get oceans of chapters thrown at them, while non-zoro-or-luffy straw hats and even kaido up till now get underdeveloped/rushed plots.
The climax of Nami's fight might not have been satisfying, but how was it rushed ur underdeveloped, exactly? Oda put a lot of focus on Usopp's and Nami's scenes and especially on Zeus becoming a permanent power-up for her, it's just that most didn't like how it all played out. That may be valid, but it's not the same as Oda not giving those characers enough attention.
EDIT: Seriously, I sometimes feel like people are getting a little confused with what they are actually complaining about. If Oda's only motivation was to rush things, then he could have just let Nami keep Zeus and defeat Ulti easily in one single chapter. Instead, he spend way more time on this whole confrontation than he was obliged to. I would actually argue that he has spend more time on Nami so far during the raid than he did during Enies Lobby. Sure, Nami got a whole two chapter fight to herself in that arc, but what else did she do during the whole attack on Enies Lobby? How much focus was put on her character in particular? And how much has Oda focused on Nami during the attack on Onigashima in direct comparison? I'd say it's actually more, with likely more to come since the raid is still in full swing.
Again, it's fair to say "Well, but Nami getting a whole fight in Enies Lobby was cooler/more interesting, badass etc." but that does not automatically mean that Oda is not giving her character enough focus - it means that he isn't giving her enough badass or cool moments. Which sucks, but it's not the same as reducing her screentime.
I liked the days when each Straw Hat (or at least most of them) got a two to three chapter fight when facing off against the big bad villain organization of the saga
I understand Oda can’t do that literally every arc or this series would never end…. But god damn it, it’s been well over a decade building up to this face off against a Yonko’s crew with barley any moments for the non monster trio members, I’m losing faith in Oda and I don’t think I’m the only one
Man, I thought i'd get people admitting to misogyny in the manga fandom, but instead they're using "are you stupid", "greg lame as hell for blocking me and everyone under this post", "it's just anime", and Grand Line defending said misogyny while the tweet thread says the exactly opposite.
It's like saying "nobody has ever said Sanji might have been born with CoC" because you don't believe it and not because no one is talking about it.
It's basically "I only see what I feel comfortable with".
This was my fav "What are you trying to imply? Woman and man are equal Physically".
I just wish Oda wasn't in a rush to end the manga, one piece could be considered a master piece before the time skip now not so much, the corners he is cutting is seriously hurting the story and it feels like his editor is not doing his job. Why waste the opportunity to write one master piece just to write more than one story. I understand that it gets boring and tiring after a while but it is just hard to see a story i love so much falling in quality.
Oda isnt cutting corners per se, in fact he adds other corners that are not really important and neglecting other important corner
I think Oda goes through phases. Where one month he feels like "I REALLY need to cut soem corners to move this along and wrap the story up in the next decade."
But then he takes a week off and is renergized and has fun in the moment of whatever he's doing and goes with it.
And then three weeks later he's ready to be done again.
I know we attributed a lot of mess in the 990 chapters as "trying to reach a certain point before chapter 1000) but so so much of the samurai stuff that was done, inished, and then backpeddled on screams of a guy that changed his mind.
Ditto if we get an actual all mink transformation battle later instead of just seeing it when it was appropriate..
I liked the days when each Straw Hat (or at least most of them) got a two to three chapter fight when facing off against the big bad villain organization of the saga
I understand Oda can’t do that literally every arc or this series would never end…. But god damn it, it’s been well over a decade building up to this face off against a Yonko’s crew with barley any moments for the non monster trio members, I’m losing faith in Oda and I don’t think I’m the only one
I understand and agree with the general sentiment but it also contains a fair bit of subjective nostalgia for pre-TS One Piece. Arcs where actually all or most of the crew got a 1 v. 1 (or say, 2 v. 2) fight were much rarer than you think pre-TS. Arlong Park, Alabasta and Enies Lobby, that's basically it. And the crew was much smaller during the first two, so it was much easier and less time-consuming to give each main character their very own fight.
I think it's because pretty much all members here read at least the first 300 chapters of the manga in bulk, not one chapter a week, so the time between let's say, Usopps fight in Alabasta and his next fight in Thriller Bark doesn't feel as long, when it actually took 6 years in real life. Similarly, Nami didn't even get a fight until almost 200 chapters and 4 years of serialization had passed, but nobody would claim that Oda didn't focus enough on her character back then or was reducing her screentime.
Similarly, 2-3 chapter fights for the other Strawhats was never as common as people like to think. Sanji's and Usopps fights in Arlong Paark were really short. Aside from the all out brawl against Satori and I think Zoro's fight against Ohm, pretty much every other fight on Skypia got exactly one chapter of focus. I'm also currently in the middle of rereading Enies Lobby and since it's a regular topic of discussion at the moment, checked out how long the Strawhats fights were, exactly. Turns out, they greatly differ in lenght. Choppers and Sanjis fights against Kumadori and Jabura were both surprisingly short in comparison, about 1 chapter-1,5 chapters each. Yet that doesn't diminish their quality in the slightest. Namis fight against Kalifa is one fo the longer ones, but it's also probably the weakest one (though actually not at all as bad as I remembered).
I think the complaints about the portrayal of Nami vs. Ulti are completely valid, but people are also super-biased when they are comparing pre and post-TS, imo.
I know I'm new here, so sorry if this isn't what this thread is for, but Greg's recent tweets don't sit well with me. Accusing people of misogyny is serious and calling others amateurish and misinformed is rude. Oda showed in the story that Ulti was faster and stronger than Nami. And unlike Miss Doublefinger and Kalifa, Ulti actually took Nami seriously. Oda actually gave Nami and fans a serious female antagonist capared to Nami's past enemies.
It's a double edged sword when you claim misogyny, but you want a strong female antagonist to be dumbed down just so a female protagonist can win. One Piece is about recognizing that it's okay to know your limitations and to rely on others. You don't have to win everything on your own. Luffy made it clear in Arlong Park.
Greg also recently said that Nami hasn't used will power in fights since Enies Lobby, yet she stood up to Ulti to defend Tama even after she had begged Ulti to spare her life. Then Nami's compassion saved Zues and gave her a power up.
Nami used her weather abilities and thievery to steal Zues in the first place and her compassion allowed her to gain a power up. Then with team work she defeated Ulti. I get if you don't like it, but it seems very One Piece to me.
I'm also currently in the middle of rereading Enies Lobby and since it's a regular topic of discussion at the moment, checked out how long the Strawhats fights were, exactly. Turns out, they greatly differ in lenght. Choppers and Sanjis fights against Kumadori and Jabura were both surprisingly short in comparison, about 1 chapter-1,5 chapters each. Yet that doesn't diminish their quality in the slightest. Namis fight against Kalifa is one fo the longer ones, but it's also probably the weakest one (though actually not at all as bad as I remembered).
Is that accounting for the musical chairs on the matchups? Like Usopp spent a fair bit of time on Zoro's arm, and Chopper spent a bit giving Franky the wrong drinks, and after CHopper went berserk he fought Franky. The actual showdown moment of their fights may have been brief, but the various intertwined setups and tradeoffs meant they were a bit longer than just the raw fight.
But regardless, the big issue HERE is, that THIS arc is the big payoff to everything since the timeskip started basically. Most of the crew hasn't gotten a real fight in during that entire time, so now really really should be the shining moment finally… and that's not quite what's happening. They're getting stuff to do, escorting Tama or curing a virus and those are certainly important things that will contribute to the win... but in a shonen manga you DO want to see the lead characters get a fight, and legitwin it, at least once a decade.
We're heading towards the endgame after this, and while there's still a few more stops for them to grow during, if Oda doesn't give them the big wins now... is he really going to pull it off properly 7 years down the road? Or will half the crew just be on assist duty while guest characters do the work?
Wow strong words from Greg. I’m always under the impression if Greg complains then Oda might really get the message. Of course Oda is going to write what he wants but still I imagine he knows what many of us are looking for.
I know I'm new here, so sorry if this isn't what this thread is for, but Greg's recent tweets don't sit well with me. Accusing people of misogyny is serious and calling others amateurish and misinformed is rude. Oda showed in the story that Ulti was faster and stronger than Nami. And unlike Miss Doublefinger and Kalifa, Ulti actually took Nami seriously. Oda actually gave Nami and fans a serious female antagonist capared to Nami's past enemies.
It's a double edged sword when you claim misogyny, but you want a strong female antagonist to be dumbed down just so a female protagonist can win. One Piece is about recognizing that it's okay to know your limitations and to rely on others. You don't have to win everything on your own. Luffy made it clear in Arlong Park.
Greg also recently said that Nami hasn't used will power in fights since Enies Lobby, yet she stood up to Ulti to defend Tama even after she had begged Ulti to spare her life. Then Nami's compassion saved Zues and gave her a power up.
Nami used her weather abilities and thievery to steal Zues in the first place and her compassion allowed her to gain a power up. Then with team work she defeated Ulti. I get if you don't like it, but it seems very One Piece to me.
Not only is the misogynist accusation towards people who think Nami couldn't beat Ulti terribly wrong, how does it even apply to Usopp, Nami's partner during the entire skirmish with Ulti and Page One? He was in the same situation with and suffered the same injuries as Nami the entire time. In fact, not only is Nami totally outclassed by Ulti, but Ulti also singlehandedly almost killed BOTH her and Usopp.
I definitely understand the disappointment for how the fight played out, but damn what a hot garbage take from Greg.
Is that accounting for the musical chairs on the matchups? Like Usopp spent a fair bit of time on Zoro's arm, and Chopper spent a bit giving Franky the wrong drinks, and after CHopper went berserk he fought Franky. The actual showdown moment of their fights may have been brief, but the various intertwined setups and tradeoffs meant they were a bit longer than just the raw fight.
But regardless, the big issue HERE is, that THIS arc is the big payoff to everything since the timeskip started basically. Most of the crew hasn't gotten a real fight in during that entire time, so now really really should be the shining moment finally… and that's not quite what's happening. They're getting stuff to do, escorting Tama or curing a virus and those are certainly important things that will contribute to the win... but in a shonen manga you DO want to see the lead characters get a fight, and legitwin it, at least once a decade.
We're heading towards the endgame after this, and while there's still a few more stops for them to grow during, if Oda doesn't give them the big wins now... is he really going to pull it off properly 7 years down the road? Or will half the crew just be on assist duty while guest characters do the work?
I mostly focused on the actual fighting, but if you count in all that stuff in Enies Lobby, then to be fair you'd also have to count the musical chairs at Onigashima and Nami & Usopp running away from Ulti and PayPay etc.
But just to make that clear, I'm mostly playing Devils Advocate because I do feel that positive bias towards pre-TS/negative bias towards Post-TS does strongly affect the number and extent of complaints (as well as reading weekly chapters vs. reading the whole arc in bulk and long-time readers simply getting more negative and cynical in their old age:ninja:).
But I absolutely agree otherwise, this is the big, big climax that has been built-up since Punk Hazard. If it were up to me, I'd give every single Strawhat a three chapter long fight against a badass and fun opponent. Usopp and Nami vs. PayPay and Ulti was a great match-up with tons of potential that Oda didn't really deliver on. It certainly had its moments, but it could have been way better, and a lot more satisfying, too.
My favorite reply was the one that went -i hope Oda fires you for this!
Which i'm sure he will get right on, i mean Greg did go so far as to imply that "power levels" aren't important. A capital offence for sure. Possibly commuted to a sentance of writing an essay on why japanese manga tweeters are more legit than stupid Greg
I know I'm new here…
Totally not a dupe account made for these occasions folks.
Anyway, let's look at what I wrote:
"What misinformed theorist is pushing the 'Nami couldn't beat Ulti anyway' idea? Not only is it insulting, but it's amateurish at best and misogynist at worst. Nami has never been able to physically overwhelm an opponent on strength alone. That's the point. There's a word for people who beat people they're physically superior to because they can, 'bullies'. Literally nobody is questioning Ulti's vastly superior strength. What we're questioning is how Oda created expectations based on his own work and didn't deliver on any of them."
Versus what the Lulz Patrol want you to think I wrote:
"What misinformed theorist is pushing the 'Nami couldn't beat Ulti anyway' idea? Not only is it insulting, but it's amateurish at best and misogynist. Nami has never been able to physically overwhelm an opponent on strength alone. That's the point. There's a word for people who beat people they're physically superior to because they can, 'bullies'. Literally nobody is questioning Ulti's vastly superior strength. What we're questioning is how Oda created expectations based on his own work and didn't deliver on any of them.
Sorry to spoil the parade but no, I did not write that suggesting Nami couldn't beat Ulti in and of itself is misogynist. Womp womp.
What I suggested was that the sentiment that Nami couldn't beat Ulti based purely on strength has a as many motivations behind it as there are people saying it. Depending on the individual, those motivations may range anywhere from amateurish (innocent), all the way to misogynist (cruel intent).
Unless you're feeling insecure about your intentions, what I wrote shouldn't even resonate with anyone reading that comment aside from recognizing that crappy people exist.
"How can it be misogynist if Ulti is a girl?"
Whether the adversary or Ulti or not isn't important, it could be anyone. The misogynist end of that would be assuming that a woman cannot beat an opponent because she is weak and has no other skills that matter or count towards victory.
So if someone says, "Nami can't beat Ulti/Cracker/Kalifa/etc. because she's weak," is that misogyny? Not necessarily by itself, no. But when you take everyone stating that and dissect why they're saying that, you're going to find a percentage (or as I said at worst) individuals who do have misogynist feelings rooted in those opinions.
Is it wrong to say those people exist? I don't feel that it is. Is it wrong to point it out as something not to aim towards as a fan? I also don't feel that's wrong either.
My entire point is:
People are giving Oda a pass for (dramatically-speaking and as compared to his own work) a poorly handled fight. And the pass they're giving him is, "Nami couldn't beat Ulti anyway." They have a number of justifications for saying that, but almost all of them are off, if not virulent.
When you say that, you're suggesting that Nami could only use strength to overcome Ulti. Furthermore, it's ignoring the kind of upgrades Oda has slowly been giving Nami through the years. We don't have an explanation for weather sorcery let alone anything significantly new or different coming from her tact.
One person who tried to counterpoint me, "But now Nami has a new upgrade and she can use all new tactics with it."
Yeah…like the last time she got an upgrade. And the last time. We expected to get all of that goodness...here ^o^
And yes, Nami will still have a role to play and I'm sure it will be very exciting and dramatic. But she had a well-developed grudge match with Ulti. Their battle actually meant something and it was ultimately solved with...a homing version of a previous attack that she doesn't actually need to do much different for besides unleash it.
So, that's what was said. I didn't call the manga/Oda misogynist. I didn't say everyone who disagrees is a misogynist. In fact, misogyny was a point that instead of holding up hands, "WHOA WHOA WHOA! Who you calling-" they could agree that yes, those aholes do exist in the fandom and those types of arguments only feed them. It was even a buff for the argument, it was acknowledgement of poor behavior.
So, I started my account in 2019 to view spoilers and have posted about 5 times, but you accuse me of making a dupe account? I honestly don't even know how to post pictures and just learned how to reply with quotes. Thanks for the welcome to the forum…
I get that I criticized your tweets, but I mean to discuss with all due respect. But instead addressing any of my points you try to invalidate me by accusing me of being some secret troll with multiple accounts.
So, I started my account in 2019 to…
Yes, tell me more, non-duper, who was so moved by a twitter kerfuffle as to make it the impetus for joining board discussion over any development in the manga during the duration of your membership.
And totally no coincidence that any time something on twitter happens, someone shows up here out of the blue with a similar approach. Your master plan is flawless I say, flawless!
(Here's the last one by the way http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=43241&p=4114811&viewfull=1#post4114811)
I don't really get where the "misogyny" even came in. It's referring to what, like, 0.0001 of the fanbase? I can't even recall seeing anything like that in over a decade of being in this fanbase.
And even the context in itself is wrong. Who was even trying to make the point that you are trying to make here? It just sounds like being controversial for the sake of controversial. Especially when the comments below your original twitter post already spell out the point in the most simplest terms?
You could've easily just said that people misunderstand Nami's way of fighting and that would've made the entire point and didn't need to be controversial. Melodrama seems to get worst and worst in this fandom.
Yes, tell me more, non-duper, who was so moved by a twitter kerfuffle as to make it the impetus for joining board discussion over any development in the manga during the duration of your membership.
And totally no coincidence that any time something on twitter happens, someone shows up here out of the blue with a similar approach. Your master plan is flawless I say, flawless!
(Here's the last one by the way http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=43241&p=4114811&viewfull=1#post4114811)
I don't know what to say. I've been a lurker and your tweets made me want to say something which is rare for me. It's cool my message actually got to you and you responded, but you're accusing me of being a liar. That's not cool. I never accused you of anything.
It's also sad you brought up bullying today on Twitter with people with more power attacking those with less. Well you obviously have more clout and experience on this forum than me and you attack me with false accusations…
I can't even recall seeing anything like that in over a decade of being in this fanbase.
I would argue that you keep in good company. The amount of garbage I've seen in the past few hours in looking around for it has been…expected? I guess?
Who was even trying to make the point that you are trying to make here?
I couldn't stop seeing it in my TL which is exactly why I wondered where it was coming from. The idea that "Oh well, Oda gets a pass b/c Nami is weak anyway and can't beat Ulti." That's a gross way to remove responsibility.
It just sounds like being controversial for the sake of controversial.
If you want to argue intent we'll never come to an agreement but for what it's worth, it wasn't intended to be controversial, but rather, blunt. You haven't seen that side of the fandom according to your own experiences. That's really nice. But to ignore that it exists is putting your head in the sand and the support I've gotten via DMs suggests I'm not the only one who's noticed.
I didn't see it as being melodramatic or controversial. I saw it as bluntness. However, if that's how the majority of people interpreted it, I get that. Only problem is, majority of people had it presented in a framed form not of their own and they're reading it different from my intention. That's not exactly a cool thing to do either, is it? Still, I'll own it, bc it's Twitter and you set yourself up for that every post.
Your point about controversial nature is valid. But that's not what I was going for in terms of shock, just recognition that it exists. And whether you see it or not, not only is it there, but oddly enough, the ones most fiercely denying are making others who see it uncomfortable enough to only approach me in private.
you definitely overplayed your hand with the misogyny angle lol
What I was hoping was that:
Big mom uses the fuck off ligthing attack, 2 times, once to blow up part of the island and show its power, and another at someone we care about, let's say Usopp, and Nami, using the same technique she used to survive a 1v1 against Enel, uses it to fire it at Ulti who is about to either hit her, or Tama.
The Zeus thing doesn't happen until the end of the arc, or if Nami gets to do weather stuff again in this arc.
Everyone's on about the misogyny comment while I'm over here wondering uh oh, does Greg want to quit One Piece?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
Being critical of something doesn't mean that.
Call things what they are, and if you reach a breaking point, move on. Hell, if you feel the breaking point comming, move on before it.
Everyone's on about the misogyny comment while I'm over here wondering uh oh, does Greg want to quit One Piece?
Now to make a clickbaity youtube video titled "Is Greg quitting One Piece?!" and cash in
"at worst, misogynistic", doesn't seem controversial to me. It's kind of literal. I don't think those with a kneejerk reaction to the comment are misogynistic, but I do think they're missing the forest for the trees. I haven't seen any blatantly misogynistic reactions to this though, but I wouldn't be at all surprised that they exist. Misogyny isn't just hatred of women, but can also be hatred of femininity, which Nami decidedly is. Now Oda's depiction of femininity isn't perfect, but Nami's past fights have been waaay better than the bigger stick people seem to think is a necessity for beating Ulti or anyone else with haki.
I belive what makes it so underwhelming is that what used to be Nami's strenght (wits and cunningness) barely contributed to the win.
Big Mom hitting Ulti with a triple homie attack and heavily wounding her : Big Mom own initiative, Nami had nothing to do with it.
Zeus merging with the Tact : While I like the PU , it is worth nothing that Nami didn't actually extent the climat tact with the purpose of tricking Hera and having Zeus escape in it. It was accidental
Finisher : Ulti dodged Nami attack (again) and she thought she was done for looking at her face. The attack was only able to hit Ulti because Zeus took the initiative of coming after her. It wasn't Nami plan to trick Ulti into believing she dodged it to lower her guard or anything.
Nami not winning in a straight 1 vs 1 without help isn't really the problem, at least for me. It's how the whole thing played out with Nami feeling more like a spectator.
WCI wasn't focused on a big battle but still had stuff like Nami using her weather to soften Cracker biscuits allowing Luffy to defeat or using Big Mom own weapon (Zeus) against herself and her crew. I want to believe Oda has something else planned for Nami (& Usopp) outside fodder control before the end of the arc because if this is supposed to be her only action moment… yeah.
Everyone's on about the misogyny comment while I'm over here wondering uh oh, does Greg want to quit One Piece?
In that very same tweet he loved a part of the chapter, so it's unlikely. That's typically not how someone speaks when they're about to drop something forever. And his recent tweets about OP are mostly positive, with constructive criticism here and there, and he's undoubtedly one of the people who analyzes One Piece the most so that's cool to see. Trying not to speak for him, just going based on what I've seen.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
Oh man!!!!! Just thought of something!!!!
Twice in the manga, after the time skip, Oda has had characters see Monkey D Luffy and state that they thought he was taller, but he gives a very specific size both times, Twenty Five feet tall, I’m having trouble finding the first mention but the second one is in the beginning of 786
There it says “But he looks scarier and rounder than the face in the paper! Is that really him? But I heard he was a 25-Foot-tall Monster!! He can’t be more than a dozen”
I took this as Oda foreshadowing Luffy’s next gear 5 being even bigger, 25 feet tall
But then I got to thinking…. So gear fourth which is huge!!! isn’t even half the size people mistake him for!!
That person would have to be giant right!
Then I thought, how big would the Straw Hat have to be to fit his head….. and then I thought of the Straw Hat that Im had
Now I think it might be foreshadowing that Joy Boy may be the owner of that hat who Luffy is most likely the reincarnated version of, was in fact actually 25 feet tall
I mean this seems like standard Oda foreshadowing! Oda thinks about everything he puts in the manga, and to have two regular people mention they thought Luffy was 25 feet tall not once but twice in the manga (I’ll look for the first time they said it, I can’t seem to find it now but I know it’s there somewhere) means he has to have a reason, and I think that coupled with IM’s giant Straw Hat and Luffy being the reincarnation of Joy Boy may prove that Joy Boy was a 25 foot tall giant
Or my original theory was right and gear 5 makes him 25 feet tall
Oh man!!!!! Just thought of something!!!!
Twice in the manga, after the time skip, Oda has had characters see Monkey D Luffy and state that they thought he was taller, but he gives a very specific size both times, Twenty Five feet tall, I’m having trouble finding the first mention but the second one is in the beginning of 786
There it says “But he looks scarier and rounder than the face in the paper! Is that really him? But I heard he was a 25-Foot-tall Monster!! He can’t be more than a dozen”
I took this as Oda foreshadowing Luffy’s next gear 5 being even bigger, 25 feet tall
But then I got to thinking…. So gear fourth which is huge!!! isn’t even half the size people mistake him for!!
That person would have to be giant right!
Then I thought, how big would the Straw Hat have to be to fit his head….. and then I thought of the Straw Hat that Im had
Now I think it might be foreshadowing that Joy Boy may be the owner of that hat who Luffy is most likely the reincarnated version of, was in fact actually 25 feet tall
I mean this seems like standard Oda foreshadowing! Oda thinks about everything he puts in the manga, and to have two regular people mention they thought Luffy was 25 feet tall not once but twice in the manga (I’ll look for the first time they said it, I can’t seem to find it now but I know it’s there somewhere) means he has to have a reason, and I think that coupled with IM’s giant Straw Hat and Luffy being the reincarnation of Joy Boy may prove that Joy Boy was a 25 foot tall giant
Or my original theory was right and gear 5 makes him 25 feet tall
It's not like ya HAVE to find the second dialogue bubble, Oda has foreshadowed with only one tiny dialogue bubble before.
Not saying I buy all of this BUT it's an interesting train of thought. Luffy has expressed interest in "gigantifying" parts of his body before and done so, so there is a possibility he can become giant. I just like the aesthetic of the underdog look he has right now though, the thought of a guy much shorter than Kaido tangoing with him is really interesting to see play out on panel.
It could just be that Joy Boy was a giant and Luffy will never become giant. Luffy doesn't have to literally embody everything about Joy Boy, he can just inherit his will. Oda will hopefully stave off the reincarnation angle.
Joy Boy and fate/destiny are often linked, so let's talk about how Blackbeard believes everything is determined by fate. I think this may be the case that Oda actually goes ANTI-fate, subverting a lot of expectations about Luffy being destined to be Joy Boy, because the "natural fate of the world" or whatever you might call it isn't in our protagonists favor, so Luffy has to go against it. I cannot see Luffy and Blackbeard seeing eye to eye on fate when their battle comes. So that's Oda's golden opportunity to go the unexpected way with the Joy Boy stuff.
To be clear, I think Luffy will inherit Joy Boy's will or has. But I don't think he'll go exactly along with destiny/fate. And I think Blackbeard will elaborate a lot more on what the fate of the world is and why.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
Also, a proper Giant in One Piece is around 50 feet tall, at the minimum.
I don't really get where the "misogyny" even came in. It's referring to what, like, 0.0001 of the fanbase? I can't even recall seeing anything like that in over a decade of being in this fanbase.
It's absolutely there, you've just been lucky enough to not see it. Greg's position and relative fame draws a lot of fire.
Look at the tweet thread and you'll see just how many folks crawled out of the woodwork to say "I'm not a misgony (always misspelled) and you're an asshole!"
If someone says "the worst people are like this" and you automatically assume you're the one being talked about, what does that say about you? If you know you're not a sexist or a racist or whatever, why are you assuming by a default a comment aimed at that group is aimed at you?
One of the posts is literally
"dumb."
followed by a second post of
"I didn't read a word of Greg's post, i just saw people piling on."
Someone literally coming out to be insulting without even reading the post they're supposed to be offended over. And then bragging about the fact they're not even reading it.
I am most definitely not quitting One Piece (^○^)
I've never been more involved with it than I am now.
But like Kaworu said, I don't just accept OP bc I like it or create excuses for it which was my main point. (Also goddang andre, you're challenging Robby for most in-my-head commentary (^○^))
I'm critical of OP bc I love it. And despite what people glance-reading think, I'm not suggesting OP itself in this respect is misogynistic.
It's not like ya HAVE to find the second dialogue bubble, Oda has foreshadowed with only one tiny dialogue bubble before.
Not saying I buy all of this BUT it's an interesting train of thought. Luffy has expressed interest in "gigantifying" parts of his body before and done so, so there is a possibility he can become giant. I just like the aesthetic of the underdog look he has right now though, the thought of a guy much shorter than Kaido tangoing with him is really interesting to see play out on panel.
It could just be that Joy Boy was a giant and Luffy will never become giant. Luffy doesn't have to literally embody everything about Joy Boy, he can just inherit his will. Oda will hopefully stave off the reincarnation angle.
Joy Boy and fate/destiny are often linked, so let's talk about how Blackbeard believes everything is determined by fate. I think this may be the case that Oda actually goes ANTI-fate, subverting a lot of expectations about Luffy being destined to be Joy Boy, because the "natural fate of the world" or whatever you might call it isn't in our protagonists favor, so Luffy has to go against it. I cannot see Luffy and Blackbeard seeing eye to eye on fate when their battle comes. So that's Oda's golden opportunity to go the unexpected way with the Joy Boy stuff.
To be clear, I think Luffy will inherit Joy Boy's will or has. But I don't think he'll go exactly along with destiny/fate. And I think Blackbeard will elaborate a lot more on what the fate of the world is and why.
As much as I would love to see everything not come down to Luffy being fated to be the savior, Oden's flashback makes it pretty hard to dismiss
all I'm saying is I think, if Luffy is the reincarnation of Joy Boy, and the Straw Hat Im had belonged to Joy Boy, that Oda is either A: referencing the fact that Joy Boy is 25 Feet tall or B: Maybe Luffy's Gear 5 or Awakened form is 25 feet tall
also to clarify, when i said Joy Boy is a giant I meant in terms of actual people in real life, not actual giants in One Piece, which are considerably bigger, I can see where that might cause confusion
As much as I would love to see everything not come down to Luffy being fated to be the savior, Oden's flashback makes it pretty hard to dismiss
all I'm saying is I think, if Luffy is the reincarnation of Joy Boy, and the Straw Hat Im had belonged to Joy Boy, that Oda is either A: referencing the fact that Joy Boy is 25 Feet tall or B: Maybe Luffy's Gear 5 or Awakened form is 25 feet tall
also to clarify, when i said Joy Boy is a giant I meant in terms of actual people in real life, not actual giants in One Piece, which are considerably bigger, I can see where that might cause confusion
Luffy is without a doubt going to do what Joy Boy passed on, I will agree to that.
Yeah man I don't want you to think I'm dismissing your idea, it's a possibility for sure like I said. I've talked to 2 irl friends who thought Gear 4 would be Luffy becoming giant before they got to it, so something's planting this idea in people's heads.
Just trying to mainly think about how this would affect combat and how it looks. Lots of human-sized, or somewhat bigger than human, opponents to come.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
Luffy is without a doubt destined to do what Joy Boy passed on, I will agree to that.
Yeah man I don't want you to think I'm dismissing your idea, it's a possibility for sure like I said. I've talked to 2 irl friends who thought Gear 4 would be Luffy becoming giant before they got to it, so something's planting this idea in people's heads.Just trying to mainly think about how this would affect combat and how it looks. Lots of human-sized, or somewhat bigger than human, opponents to come.
I get you, as much as I'd like my idea to be right… just cause you know it's cool to guess things right every once and a while, I really miss the days when Luffy's was way smaller than most of his musclebound or extremely tall opponents, it gave a whole, "he's the real underdog" vibe, and I've always personally loved when small little guys can take out towering behemoth's ten times there size, whether in mangas, comics or Kung Fu movies, it's just the best to see someone so underestimated kick ass
And with Gear 4th he kind of lost that magic, and if he becomes 25 feet tall..... well then yeah, it's gone for good
I've seen people constantly complain about this problem with gear 4th and I tots agree
