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    • theackwardstation
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      I think there were at least 6 arcs between Drum Kingdom and Ennies Lobby. EL arc is where Chopper's Monster Point came into play. Something that he had before the story began.

      What matters to me is not the amount of arcs or anything like that, but the context of the narrative. I'm fine with not having a lot of fights for many arcs as long as the progression keeps some sense and credibility. My criticism to the NW in this regard is that we're already facing enemies of the highest level without a previous taste of what the Strawhats can do. There is no point of reference. Even for Zoro and Sanji. Everything about their current level is super vague… and yet we see power ups coming too, which is weird too...

      That's why I think the comparison with pre-timeskip is not completely analogous. In particular, your example for Chopper doesn't make much sense to me, since his Monster Point was not something that he could control, just a desperate move before defeat, so it's normal that he never used it before. That's not what I'm asking for.

      What happened for the most part of pre-timeskip was that some members of the crew were already pretty strong and above average since their recruitment, so they didn't face a real challenge until Alabasta, which made sense. But even before Alabasta we still got a good taste of their abilities and strengths. Arlong Park gave us a point of reference for the entire crew. Only Nami was the exception since she hadn't done much onscreen fighting beforehand (even her weapon was completely new, lol). And from Alasbasta we could keep watching their evolution step by step… so there was a good sense of progression.

      In contrast to Alabasta, the crew didn't arrive at the New World already ready to face a Yonkou in the same way that they were ready to face Baroque Works. And yet that's what's happening...

      A natural progression only happened for Luffy. First we saw enemies that were much below his level like Hody Jones and CC. Then we saw a worthy opponent like Doflamingo. Then we saw two guys that were above him, Cracker and Katakuri.

      In comparison, Zoro only found opponents below his level... and most of the other Strawhats didn't get even that...

      That's weird. Not because of how many arcs it has been without fights, but because they are about to go against the Leading Performers, the Tobi Roppo, the Numbers and whoever else... enemies that are supposed to be beyond what they achieved during the timeskip.

      I see it like this, should G4 have been used on Caesar or Hody? Those enemies and their support weren't worthy of that. The crew need an opponent that makes sense to unload that. The progression would seem off if we knew all of the capabilities of the crew by now and this current battle is where everyone went beyond their limits (like Ennies Lobby/CP9) or just totally drained themselves (like TB/Moria). It's a Yonko, but the whole point to this is to liberate Wano. The clear difference is that I see post Wano as as a new beginning and most believe that the story is near the end.

      Of course the Strawhats shouldn't use their craziest abilities against weaker opponents.

      My point is that Oda should have invented some worthy opponents for them before Wano for us to get a point of reference of their level. Give one fight to Robin in Dressrosa. Give Franky a better fight in Dressrosa. Maybe give a fight to Nami in Punk Hazard (against Monet, maybe). Give a full-fledged fight to Sanji instead of those isolated clashes that go nowhere. And the list goes on.

      Another factor is that Law illustrated that Yonko crew are vast. Larger and stronger than former opposition. It requires allies/numbers. So the focus has been on Law, the Fleet, Scabbards, etc. It builds the SH crew to be almost similar to the WB Pirates that had a ton of allies. Law has a bunch of crew members, but the focus is on Bepo, Jean, Penguin and Hachi. We don't even know the last 2's capabilities. It is different for the SH crew. Everyone gets focus. I believe that is the same philosophy behind the allies. When you see WB allies, Squard even got to play a large role. So, fleshing out Kawamatsu or Barto is for the purpose of us being familiar with an ally, which goes in line with how we knew the WB allies that were even main crew in the Oden flashback.

      Not gonna dig into if this is great or bad. Just that I can see where he is going with it, so when the incident that takes place, I will be able to critique if it was worth it or Oda wasted my time by not keeping the crew as the focus they were for pre-timeskip.

      That's another thing… and of course this focus on other characters is one of the reasons why the Strawhats got less of the spotlight.

      That said, I'm not against this route that Oda has chosen. Nonetheless, I still think that even in this structure he could have found room to display the Strawhats a little more. In fact, the Strawhats did get a lot of screentime in PH, Dressrosa and WCI. Their screentime was just not optimal combat-wise.

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        What matters to me is not the amount of arcs or anything like that, but the context of the narrative. I'm fine with not having a lot of fights for many arcs as long as the progression keeps some sense and credibility. My criticism to the NW in this regard is that we're already facing enemies of the highest level without a previous taste of what the Strawhats can do. There is no point of reference. Even for Zoro and Sanji. Everything about their current level is super vague… and yet we see power ups coming too, which is weird too...

        Is Kaido's crew of the highest level? We just got the SSG, then Shanks, Cipher Pol and Teach are still left. I have my own thoughts of why the Yonko Saga involves the 2 lesser familiarized Yonko and why they are the 2 lesser known in the first place. It makes sense. The crew gets a taste of the New World with BM and Kaido, then venture into SSG (who are filling in for Warlords in that dynamic). Mihawk was said to be Shanks rival. This entity can represent a lot of issues. Especially if they are said to equal or be greater in value than the Warlords who (some) plagued Paradise. Their weapons and who they are connected to. Jinbe wasn't physically an obstacle, but what he was responsible for was Arlong and that was an issue. Same as Dressrosa's issues (Doffy) or Baroque Works Saga (Croc). I see the SSG filling in that void. I don't have to go into why Teach and Shanks are part of the much larger picture than Kaido and BM.

        They just don't seem like the highest level to me. It's like when people said Jack was the top guy and I was confused because in narrative, the writer tends to not give up all the cards for a mission like this or just introduce them this early in general. It came out that most were wrong and Jack wasn't the top guy. I've read a lot of stories and it would be off if Jack was Kaido's top guy and was familiarized first. Same as fleshing out the lesser known Yonko first. Teach and Shanks were introduced first, but they weren't fleshed out like BM and Kaido are about to be. They aren't the top guys. Those ahead of the game and who scheme and forecast the way that Teach and Shanks do are the ones who are of the highest level. The next would be the Warlords, but look what Oda does. He replaces them. How many Warlords can you sprinkle into this New World adventure as main opponents if most of them have already been spammed? He took the SSG, which has been hinted and sets them up as a fine replacement.

        What Zoro and Sanji received seem more complimentary than an upgrade. Zoro needs a sword that can challenge his new skill. It will take time to get used to it. Shusui was just Zoro becoming familiar with what it means to have a black blade. It's just that he didn't make Shusui black himself. Sanji has an issue with using science and that is to protest his family. Yet, he showed growth when he put it aside to protect his friends. I see that as preparing Sanji for something that has been coming to him for a while now. Sanji trained under Iva and barely shows off Newkama Kenpo. I think the same way he protest his family, he is somewhat against Newkama Kenpo and will put his pride to the side and showcase his results of training. So, this is why I don't see it as an upgrade.

        Is it vague? I agree with that to an extent. We don't know if they are worthy of fighting Yonko execs or lower, yet we are here ruining the party of 2 Yonkos and there is enough enemies to go around. This says something.

        That's why I think the comparison with pre-timeskip is not completely analogous. In particular, your example for Chopper doesn't make much sense to me, since his Monster Point was not something that he could control, just a desperate move before defeat, so it's normal that he never used it before. That's not what I'm asking for.

        What happened for the most part of pre-timeskip was that some members of the crew were already pretty strong and above average since their recruitment, so they didn't face a real challenge until Alabasta, which made sense. But even before Alabasta we still got a good taste of their abilities and strengths. Arlong Park gave us a point of reference for the entire crew. Only Nami was the exception since she hadn't done much onscreen fighting beforehand (even her weapon was completely new, lol). And from Alasbasta we could keep watching their evolution step by step… so there was a good sense of progression.

        In contrast to Alabasta, the crew didn't arrive at the New World already ready to face a Yonkou in the same way that they were ready to face Baroque Works. And yet that's what's happening...

        A natural progression only happened for Luffy. First we saw enemies that were much below his level like Hody Jones and CC. Then we saw a worthy opponent like Doflamingo. Then we saw two guys that were above him, Cracker and Katakuri.

        In comparison, Zoro only found opponents below his level... and most of the other Strawhats didn't get even that...

        That's weird. Not because of how many arcs it has been without fights, but because they are about to go against the Leading Performers, the Tobi Roppo, the Numbers and whoever else... enemies that are supposed to be beyond what they achieved during the timeskip.

        Monster Point showed that there was another level for Chopper. Desperate or not, it was something up his sleeve to protect his friends, even tho it could hurt them and he knew it could beat his opponent. It predates him joining. If the crew all have things up their sleeve, whether desperate, against their code (pride) or not, they have it to protect their nakama and represents their strength. It is comparable in that matter to what is going on. Whether an opponent is worthy of what the crew have as assets when fighting is crucial. The crew know when it is necessary. Who did we see Robin defeat for us to know her limit before EL arc? Can we put a finger on Robin's capabilities? Pell and Vivi? Between Brulee and Dosun, I can't tell where Chopper is, but it provides enough for me to know that he is formidable. That is why I say I agree to an extent.

        Of course the Strawhats shouldn't use their craziest abilities against weaker opponents. My point is that Oda should have invented some worthy opponents for them before Wano for us to get a point of reference of their level. Give one fight to Robin in Dressrosa. Give Franky a better fight in Dressrosa. Maybe give a fight to Nami in Punk Hazard (against Monet, maybe). Give a full-fledged fight to Sanji instead of those isolated clashes that go nowhere. And the list goes on.

        Robin showed that she was competent against Diamante. She protected Rebecca and wasn't defeated, but that goes more to the point of fleshing out allies. Oda could've had Kyros beat Diamante while Rebecca was somewhere else. He used that to dramatize Diamante's actions against the family while making Robin's strength still noticeable. Again, this is my understanding and not critique. Whether it's worth it to flesh out allies, while just teasing the crew's strength in this manner will be judged later.

        That's another thing… and of course this focus on other characters is one of the reasons why the Strawhats got less of the spotlight.

        That said, I'm not against this route that Oda has chosen. Nonetheless, I still think that even in this structure he could have found room to display the Strawhats a little more. In fact, the Strawhats did get a lot of screentime in PH, Dressrosa and WCI. Their screentime was just not optimal combat-wise.

        As I stated, it's just the difference in where we think the story is at. If you think that the story is almost over, you feel like it is too late and Oda should've gave the crew more formidable opponents, instead of Hody and Caesar. I don't see the crew jumping that fast into the realm of Teach and Shanks yet. They gradually went through those connected to Kaido and are now at his doorstep. He is someone that would have loved to be part of MF War, but Shanks got in his way somehow and still managed to get there himself.

        • Shanks seems like he's invested in the balance and can envisage those who might disrupt this. Is there another who can mess things up just as much as Teach? He's obviously warning the Gorosei of someone
        • Then we have the Rev Army that directly oppose the WG. Why did Dragon care enough to mention a weapon mastermind behind the Liquor Iron Ore when he has the Reverie on his plate?

        There are obviously others after BM and Kaido that can serve as worthy opponents before reaching the endgame worthy Teach and WG. That's why I can see the possible larger scheme.

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          "- Oda defeated editor Asada in his studio via 3D fighting video game called "Bushido Blade" 20 times about 15 years ago. Oda doesn't cut corners even in games.

          • Oda recently plays smartphone apps. He sometimes watches his assistants playing video games.
            According to Oda, trendy games can stimulate his creativity. Oda says, "I'm loyal to new trends. I'm kind of a guy who can enjoy all new trends.""

          I would love to get a list of all video games Oda enjoyed playing or watching.

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            I haven’t yet watched stampede, didn’t get to see it in theatres, but this Friday funimation is making it available for 2 months on their site! Finally I’ll get to watch it. Without spoilers, what are opinions on it from people here? How does it stack up against previous one piece movies?

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              @Cockycent:

              First part

              I don't think Kaido and Big Mom's subordinates are going to be the strongest opponents for the Strawhats ever. Of course not. But they're still pretty high on the food chain, big people in the NW.

              So the fact that most Strawhats are getting their first real fights in the NW against them is a weird progression. They were not ready for this level when they came from the timeskip (which was shown here and there), so it's like Oda is cutting a step entirely.

              This issue could have been mitigated if Oda had managed a little bit better some moments of this saga to allocate better challenges to the entire crew to make a quick ladder. Similar to what he did with Luffy throughout the saga. PH, Dressrosa and WCI had room for that. I'm not asking for a big revamp of this saga, only small tweaks.

              Monster Point showed that there was another level for Chopper. Desperate or not, it was something up his sleeve to protect his friends, even tho it could hurt them and he knew it could beat his opponent. It predates him joining. If the crew all have things up their sleeve, whether desperate, against their code (pride) or not, they have it to protect their nakama and represents their strength. It is comparable in that matter to what is going on. Whether an opponent is worthy of what the crew have as assets when fighting is crucial. The crew know when it is necessary. Who did we see Robin defeat for us to know her limit before EL arc? Can we put a finger on Robin's capabilities? Pell and Vivi? Between Brulee and Dosun, I can't tell where Chopper is, but it provides enough for me to know that he is formidable. That is why I say I agree to an extent.

              Everybody may be hiding a desperate move to rise against their enemies here in Wano and prevail, but that's still besides the point. In my opinion, before a fight where the Strawhats will need to use their last suicide resource, Oda should have already established their overall abilities and limitations.

              Robin showed that she was competent against Diamante.

              Honestly, that's very meager.

              As I stated, it's just the difference in where we think the story is at. If you think that the story is almost over, you feel like it is too late and Oda should've gave the crew more formidable opponents, instead of Hody and Caesar. I don't see the crew jumping that fast into the realm of Teach and Shanks yet. They gradually went through those connected to Kaido and are now at his doorstep. He is someone that would have loved to be part of MF War, but Shanks got in his way somehow and still managed to get there himself.

              Yes, they will face bigger challenges in the future. I agree with that. But I repeat what I said in the first part of this reply.

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                @Dylcor:

                I haven’t yet watched stampede, didn’t get to see it in theatres, but this Friday funimation is making it available for 2 months on their site! Finally I’ll get to watch it. Without spoilers, what are opinions on it from people here? How does it stack up against previous one piece movies?

                It's a bit different as Bullet is the only actual villain and it's sort of like The Avengers in everyone joins in to beat him.

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                  @theackwardstation:

                  I don't think Kaido and Big Mom's subordinates are going to be the strongest opponents for the Strawhats ever. Of course not. But they're still pretty high on the food chain, big people in the NW.

                  So the fact that most Strawhats are getting their first real fights in the NW against them is a weird progression. They were not ready for this level when they came from the timeskip (which was shown here and there), so it's like Oda is cutting a step entirely.

                  This issue could have been mitigated if Oda had managed a little bit better some moments of this saga to allocate better challenges to the entire crew to make a quick ladder. Similar to what he did with Luffy throughout the saga. PH, Dressrosa and WCI had room for that. I'm not asking for a big revamp of this saga, only small tweaks.

                  From my perspective, everyone outside of Luffy is getting their first real fight to be precise. Most of what we've seen is clashes (as we both agreed are vague) or Pica who Zoro just had to figure out. They are just little signs of oh Sanji could block Doffy. I haven't seen a Daz for Zoro yet. As dope as Senor Pink was, I doubt Franky pulled out everything for him.

                  The part where they aren't ready is where I have to disagree. If it's vague, how do we know they aren't ready? I've seen Sanji clash with Oven, Vergo, etc, but does that mean they were stronger than Sanji? If Sanji or Brook defeated Perospero, I wouldn't be surprised. They haven't shown everything. It goes both ways. If there isn't anything to be absolute about them being stronger than Pero, there isn't any evidence to say that they aren't worthy of him either. Brook suffocating on candy is still laughable. I get being stuck and inert, but cmon lol

                  Everybody may be hiding a desperate move to rise against their enemies here in Wano and prevail, but that's still besides the point. In my opinion, before a fight where the Strawhats will need to use their last suicide resource, Oda should have already established their overall abilities and limitations.

                  I wouldn't refer to what they haven't shown as "Monster Balls/desperate". Monster Ball was just an example from pre-timeskip of the crew not revealing everything in general. They just haven't met people that are worthy yet. As said before, I don't blame Oda for not using G4 on Hody. It's the same if Sanji has something that could've beaten Doffy. That wasn't on his agenda or part of his narrative. The same goes for his clash with Daifuku or Oven. They were trying to escape. Most of these arcs have been structured where it isn't just the crew trying to defeat 6-8 other enemies. It's escape (WCI arc) or capture (PH arc). When it is time to fight, it's understandable if he wants to show us the subordinates/ally's strength. That to me is a hint in itelf, but still vague. How long does Dressrosa drag on if the allies and the crew get fights? Did it not already establish itself as the most stretched out arc ever?

                  Honestly, that's very meager.

                  Yes, they will face bigger challenges in the future. I agree with that. But I repeat what I said in the first part of this reply.

                  I think the whole method is to showcase the allies being formidable, while having the main crew interact through clashes because Oda is of the belief that the audience is aware of their capabilities. If the allies of WB are handling the enemies, the commanders (main crew) are capable of even more. Did I think that Zoro was worthy of a commander, fresh out of timeskip? No, but now that I see how Oda formats it where there are levels to commanders, it adds context. Not every commander is the same as we've both acknowledged.

                  All I can say for now is that the allies are the bar, if anything. Meaning if Oda took a Sanji fight away, so Kyros could defeat Diamante, it meant that Sanji was above that guy and it meant more for someone who suffered to Diamante to beat him, then Sanji doing so. It's this gray area where it's vague, but not really if we're suppose to understand where the writer is going with this.

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                    I haven’t yet watched stampede, didn’t get to see it in theatres, but this Friday funimation is making it available for 2 months on their site! Finally I’ll get to watch it. Without spoilers, what are opinions on it from people here? How does it stack up against previous one piece movies?

                    Depends on what you are reading the series for, i guess.

                    While lot of people enjoyed it, I can't say I did and would consider it even weaker than Strong World since most of the movie is just fighting and fighting. Visuals are cool if you like the fights but as someone who generally can't care about fights, it was a waste of time.

                    It didn't help that Bullet has as much personality as Rob Lucci and would easily go down in my book as the second most blandest and generic character in the series aside from Lucci.

                    Film Z and Movie 6 are still the boss when it comes to One Piece adaptation.

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                      Without spoilers, what are opinions on it from people here?

                      I will take this chance to say I hated it simply because I've been keeping this opinion for myself all this time, since everywhere people loved it so damn much and I didn't want to be a party-pooper.

                      I didn't watch many of OP movies, though. Stampede, Strong World, Gold and the edgy one with the dead people. This was the only one I fully disliked. The animation is great though.

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                        Anyone have any guesses as to who will be fighting who? Or is it still to early to tell?

                        EDIT: just want to make sure it’s clear, I wasn’t talking about Who’s who, I meant everyone in general

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                          )reg will do another livestream if we send in 15 questions(at 8 now)

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                            Do any of the movies really depend on that? Not for me. My reasons for watching movies are different from my reasons for reading the series. I just wanna see something entertaining in the movies. If it’s got cool fights and good animation I’m all for it.

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                              I hear that a lot for multiple things. People say they don't care for certain stories, but when certain animators come in for an episode or movie, they jump in. I get it, but I can't go into anything unless I care and have context for most of what is happening in every narrative.

                              I know people that dislike OP in general that asked me if I seen Kata vs Luffy n i'm like do you even know what is going on? Can you compute the magnitude of this kind of person even acknowledging Luffy? It's really because i'm old and I want something meaningful that I can question and actually be engaged.

                              The kids are ok with seeing great animation, then forgetting it the next day. Fast food/streaming baby era. For the movies that I did watch, i'd go

                              6 Gold
                              5 Dead Adventure
                              4 Stampede
                              3 Strange Animals
                              2 Strong World
                              1 Z

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                                Opinions seem to be a little mixed, but I really liked Stampede. In essence, it's it's a Dragonball movie with the One Piece cast, and if you can enjoy it for being that, it's a great time.

                                I think I said this before last time movies came up in this thread, but I think Strong World and Z are slightly overrated. Strong World is a paint by numbers One Piece arc, which just makes it feel forumulaic and predictable. It's not long enough to really bring in any surprises, and because it's not canon it doesn't really bring any lore or long-term consequences, so it just falls flat. Z has a bit more ambition to it, but the attempts to make Zephyr into an tragic villain just didn't work for me. His plan as a little too senselessly evil and the script made characters like Kuzan act super out of character to try and justify it. "Maybe he has a point killing everyone in the New World because pirates hurt people too." They made the guy who quit the Marines because he couldn't deal with Sakazuki's disregard for collatoral damage in the name of justice say that? Nope, it doesn't work for me. It would be interesting to see what they might have done if Z had come before Infinity War and they could learn from Thanos' success being the same kind of villain, but the movie is what it is.

                                The movies are best when they can go nuts doing something the canon story doesn't have room for, like Gold sticking the main cast in a heist plot, Stampede deciding to just be Dragonball for a couple of hours, or Mamoru Hasoda being given a shocking amount of freedom to just do whatever in his own distinct style. Those three are easily my favourites, and I'd love to see more genre pieces or director showcases from future movies.

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                                  @Captain:

                                  They made the guy who quit the Marines because he couldn't deal with Sakazuki's disregard for collatoral damage in the name of justice say that? .

                                  Is this why he quit?

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                                    Is this why he quit?

                                    Well I'm extrapolating a little, but we know he hates Sakazuki for what he did at Ohara and his attitude toward justice was changed significantly after that point. We know he found an uncharacteristic amount of motivation to fight Sakazuki for the role of Fleet Admiral, and we know that after losing he quit the force, presumable as an alternative to working under Sakazuki. It doesn't take much to connect the dots.

                                    Unless of course there's some long con going on and the fight was a cover so he could go undercover or whatever (but given the missing leg, I doubt it).

                                    I could be wrong. There could be a future reveal that completely changes my interpretation of Kuzan and retroactively improves Film Z as a result, but based just on what we know I'm feeling pretty confident in stance on this one.

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                                      @Captain:

                                      Well I'm extrapolating a little, but we know he hates Sakazuki for what he did at Ohara and his attitude toward justice was changed significantly after that point. We know he found an uncharacteristic amount of motivation to fight Sakazuki for the role of Fleet Admiral, and we know that after losing he quit the force, presumable as an alternative to working under Sakazuki. It doesn't take much to connect the dots.

                                      Yeah, i'm aware of all this. Did he quit tho. We have SWORD that not everyone is aware of. Drake "quit" as well.

                                      Unless of course there's some long con going on and the fight was a cover so he could go undercover or whatever (but given the missing leg, I doubt it).

                                      I could be wrong. There could be a future reveal that completely changes my interpretation of Kuzan and retroactively improves Film Z as a result, but based just on what we know I'm feeling pretty confident in stance on this one.

                                      Agreed, until confirmation, i'm not so certain really.

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                                        Stampede is an Avengers Endgame parody.

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                                          Film Gold is probably my favorite due to the setting.

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                                            Well if Greg wants questions I have three

                                            I remember the revolutionary Commanders told Pink Beard that Black Beard doesn't care about his subordinates, do you think this also applies to his Ten Titan Commaders? Or does he maybe care about them

                                            Almost all of the super nova have been given time to shine in post timeskip arcs, all except Urouge and Bonney, when do you think they'll show up and in what capacity?

                                            and also when do you think Enel's moon story will affect the main story? You said in a previous comment that you thought the space pirates could be like Garp, someone that no one thought would be important from a cover side story that became important later on, do you still think that?

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                                              Film Gold is probably my favorite due to the setting.

                                              Same, it would have been something I would have liked to see in the manga tbh, and Tesoro was a pretty good villain too.

                                              my top 5 of the one piece movies:
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                                              3. Film Gold
                                              4. Movie 9, Episode of Chopper Plus: Bloom in Winter, Miracle Sakura
                                              5. Movie 6, Baron Omatsuri and the Secret Island
                                              (6. Stampede)

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                                                My favorite is clockwork island adventure. I can always watch that short little piece of fluff and enjoy it. Not the most deep when it comes to the story but i have always had a soft spot for briskly paced movies, and that one never drags in the gags to action to gags rollercoaster. Plus its back when they had fewer strawhats so everyone got plenty of time to shine.

                                                Worst one is easily the butchering of the alabasta arc. Even for someone who has read the original the story is hard to follow. Good animation can't make up for erratic pacing, and the heavy cutting done to significant moments. Compared to the much better chopper remake this one missed the mark in every way.

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                                                  its 5 am in the morning and i have discovered this thread about 3 hours ago and have been reading through various discussions, especially those Greg is involved in.

                                                  Love his insight and perspectives, hope i can participate in some of the discussions here! ^-^

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                                                    I remember the revolutionary Commanders told Pink Beard that Black Beard doesn't care about his subordinates, do you think this also applies to his Ten Titan Commaders? Or does he maybe care about them

                                                    Almost all of the super nova have been given time to shine in post timeskip arcs, all except Urouge and Bonney, when do you think they'll show up and in what capacity?

                                                    and also when do you think Enel's moon story will affect the main story? You said in a previous comment that you thought the space pirates could be like Garp, someone that no one thought would be important from a cover side story that became important later on, do you still think that?

                                                    1. Based purely on what we know so far, I get the impression that while he's tight with them, if he feels it's fate, he's not going to go out of his way to help them.

                                                    2. Short answer: When they best serve the story. Guesstimate Answer: Bonney when we find out what happened at Reverie. Urouge at Elbaf given his relation to Mom. Unless he drops out of the sky here in Wano.

                                                    3. Yes! Totally still think that's a possibility. As far as when….I dunno that's tough. Depends when Oda wants to drop some history bombs so MAYBE in proximity to Vegapunk goings-ons?

                                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                      My presumably crackpot stance is that we'll get moon stuff on Elbaf. It'd be cool if Oda pulled a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and had that big Yggdrasil tree we know they have turn out to be an ancient space elevator.

                                                      Vivre Card Archive One Piece in One Piece Covers Compilation

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                                                        Strong World remains my favorite One Piece Film. And honestly I doubt another one can top it. I believe it has the best interactions between the crew, some of the best animation, and it feels the most…..well like One Piece! It honestly feels like an adaptation of a manga arc that we simply haven't read.

                                                        I get why MANY head to Film Z as their favorite. And maybe it honestly is better as a film. But Strong World just feels like something ripped straight from manga and adapted perfectly, even if it wasn't.

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                                                        A magical strange Twilight Zone episode where no other education is offered, and the only option is Bill Nye the Science Guy videos

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                                                          I can never think of Kizaru without hearing in my head "Boooooorsaliiiiinoooooooooo".

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                                                            Greg how will Oda top this design with his hinted redesign

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                                                              Using the Raid suit seems more like a gateway drug process

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                                                                @Cockycent:

                                                                Using the Raid suit seems more like a gateway drug process

                                                                You don't have to drag it away. I am just talking about design

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                                                                  You don't have to drag it away. I am just talking about design

                                                                  How am I dragging it away?

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                                                                    latest one piece podcast episode with stephen and greg was very interesting

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                                                                      yo Greg hope u doin good

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                                                                        latest one piece podcast episode with stephen and greg was very interesting

                                                                        I need to start listening to it. If it's anything like his column then it'll be hella informative. I need to start reading more closely because I didn't notice the obvious Oars type skull and sword in the latest chapter.

                                                                        Check out my podcast for conversations about Greatness in anime, sports, music, and whatever else we can think of.

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                                                                          How am I dragging it away?

                                                                          What a gateway drug process to do with design?

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                                                                            @Captain:

                                                                            My presumably crackpot stance is that we'll get moon stuff on Elbaf. It'd be cool if Oda pulled a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and had that big Yggdrasil tree we know they have turn out to be an ancient space elevator.

                                                                            Just climbing the tree sounds like fun already.

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                                                                              What a gateway drug process to do with design?

                                                                              You asked about the redesign. I have my own thoughts about the Raid Suit and what it means, which isn't exactly about the design. It isn't dragging it out. I have input that may compliment the matter.

                                                                              [http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=43241&page=346&p=4037848&highlight=suit#post4037848

                                                                              S](http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=43241&page=346&p=4037848&highlight=suit#post4037848)anji denies his family. In the end, he saves them. He uses the excuse that it would be against how Zeff raised him, but that is partially untrue. He cares for them. At the same time, his family is against Sanji. He represents everything they are not for. They come to accept him in a way. Even giving him a raid suit.

                                                                              Sanji uses Germa tech to cover up his "real identity". The Actor theme has been associated with Sanji since WCI arc

                                                                              !

                                                                              Gateway drugs are drugs that lead to the harder stuff. Just like with Zoro's swords, I see the suit as the drug before dealing with the stronger drug. Sanji dealt with denial of his maiden heart in Momoiro. I think that the more Sanji uses his raid suit (gateway drug/denial of his family and science), the more easier for him to accept his maiden heart and use some of results of training from Ivankov.

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                                                                                Yes! "Okama" Sanji shall return! 😆

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                                                                                  Holy shit amazing. Okama Sanji will be the best ❤ and all the hatred towards him have to die because it was all an act even more impressive than Katakuri

                                                                                  PS
                                                                                  Anyone else besides Okama Sanji who have some guesses about the redesign

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                                                                                    As long as he doesn't say 'it's morphin time'. That's not a real Sentai.

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                                                                                      I maybe late, but I recommend the Two Piece 6 page comic. It was a great laugh. I hope Oda reads it. It's entertaining

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                                                                                        @Kishido:

                                                                                        Holy shit amazing. Okama Sanji will be the best ❤ and all the hatred towards him have to die because it was all an act even more impressive than Katakuri

                                                                                        PS
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                                                                                        Well, it could be that Franky will try to modify his raid suit to make it just a small accessory to his normal butler suit, like a belt, handgloves, etc that provide invisibility and all the other powerups. So he can keep his traditional attire without losing the suit capabilities.

                                                                                        Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf

                                                                                        Luffy vs Cracker Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/Pk06JZL/luffy-vs-cracker.pdf

                                                                                        Luffy vs Doflamingo Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/VDl3Ctf/luffyxdoffy.pdf

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                                                                                          @RigaCrypto:

                                                                                          Well, it could be that Franky will try to modify his raid suit to make it just a small accessory to his normal butler suit, like a belt, handgloves, etc that provide invisibility and all the other powerups. So he can keep his traditional attire without losing the suit capabilities.

                                                                                          As amazing as it would be I would still prefer a cape and some stuff from the raid suit.

                                                                                          Maybe like Tuxedo Mask just way more badass.

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                                                                                            Nami's climatact got her color. It went from blue to orange. The pop green to compliment her staff wielding expertise. Maybe the redesign is more chef like with some pop green to compliment his flames. Blue and white chef like uniform with the hat

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                                                                                              1. Based purely on what we know so far, I get the impression that while he's tight with them, if he feels it's fate, he's not going to go out of his way to help them.

                                                                                              2. Short answer: When they best serve the story. Guesstimate Answer: Bonney when we find out what happened at Reverie. Urouge at Elbaf given his relation to Mom. Unless he drops out of the sky here in Wano.

                                                                                              3. Yes! Totally still think that's a possibility. As far as when….I dunno that's tough. Depends when Oda wants to drop some history bombs so MAYBE in proximity to Vegapunk goings-ons?

                                                                                              Thank You for answering my questions, sorry I didn't reply sooner, I didn't get a notification for some reason

                                                                                              Do you mind if I ask some more questions?

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                                                                                                I maybe late, but I recommend the Two Piece 6 page comic. It was a great laugh. I hope Oda reads it. It's entertaining

                                                                                                And Vagabond as well, highly recommend this great manga to anyone who will hear.

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                                                                                                  @Monkey:

                                                                                                  And Vagabond as well, highly recommend this great manga to anyone who will hear.

                                                                                                  Agreed, both are of the same level of quality

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                                                                                                    @Cockycent:

                                                                                                    Agreed, both are of the same level of quality

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                                                                                                    What was your favorite (or least favorite I suppose) part of Vagabond?
                                                                                                    People generally love the first 2/3 of Kojiro's flashback, and basically everything from after the timeskip starts until the end of the Yoshioka clan. What did you think?

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                                                                                                      @Monkey:

                                                                                                      What was your favorite (or least favorite I suppose) part of Vagabond?
                                                                                                      People generally love the first 2/3 of Kojiro's flashback, and basically everything from after the timeskip starts until the end of the Yoshioka clan. What did you think?

                                                                                                      My fav is the rice field arc at the end tbh, still waiting ;_;

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                                                                                                        It seems reading his discussion on the Cowboy Bebop thread set Zephos on a certain path…

                                                                                                        I'll get the popcorn.

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